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imo top 3 hardest bombsites to retake (in current map pool)
United Kingdom Londonistan 
1. A site Train 2. B site Dust 2 3. A site Inferno what's yours?
2019-03-11 13:49
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Snax | 
Poland Emmson 
UK CS LUL.. B inferno? How can you pick A Train hard to retake when B on that map is harder..
2019-03-11 13:51
b is harder? LUL
2019-03-11 13:52
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Snax | 
Poland Emmson 
Yup, you have less spots on B and ways to enter Bs. You can cover all Bs with 3 players and A with at least 4.
2019-03-11 13:54
#24
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Brazil manol0 
B is definitely not harder... you often see pros playing 1 payer there and just planning to retake... if it were harder they would play retake on A
2019-03-11 14:04
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Other khorkalba 
You need to have more people on A to stop the Ts from flanking B through connector / ivy. Compared to other maps, I would say both sites aren't too difficult to retake, just because of how quick rotations are and how much cover the trains provide.
2019-03-11 14:08
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Brazil manol0 
thank you for telling what I already know. nothing you said changes anything I said
2019-03-11 14:10
#40
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Brazil manol0 
They can rush B too, so that just shows people would rather have B taken, which is easier to retake than A
2019-03-11 14:11
#45
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Other khorkalba 
If the Ts rush B then they're only going to come from two locations, which one player can cover alone if they have utility. If the Ts rush A then they can come from main, popdog or ivy, making it almost impossible for just one or even two players to hold. You see, it's not that teams prefer retaking B necessarily, it's that they have more confidence in one player being able to hold the site or at least kill 2-3 enemies before the bomb goes down.
2019-03-11 14:19
#50
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Brazil manol0 
When you get the chance to ask a pro on a stream which side they would rather retake on train you come here and tell me why they said B...
2019-03-11 14:22
#73
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Other khorkalba 
They will say "neither". If they're so happy retaking B then why even stick the B player on the train? Why not have him by connector or CT spawn so he can gather info and stay alive?
2019-03-11 17:27
#74
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Brazil manol0 
ResidentSleeper
2019-03-11 18:06
because his job is to make sure the t's dont take to much control of the rest of the bombsite
2019-03-11 18:08
#49
Snax | 
Poland Emmson 
We see one player cuz its easy to defend.. I want to remind you that Tts attacking Bs is basically the same thing as Cts retaking it
2019-03-11 14:21
#52
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Brazil manol0 
it is right? they have the access from A to connector, and the access to CT... wow you are really smart mate...
2019-03-11 14:23
Only problem with b retake is upper player if time is low. Otherwise it is a really easy retake.
2019-03-11 14:07
I mean less ways to enter B Inferno is offset by the fact that B chokepoints are a lot easier to isolate than A chokepoints B site: smoke off cross + smoke off construction/spools then honestly, we good to go with fucking A, you have apts, pit, that corner below balcony, the bombsite itself, graveyard, library, boiler....it's literally running into dozens of crossfires Edit: Sorry I didn't know you were talking about Train. But even then, A site train is definitely harder than B site. with b you can molly off upper/lower. good luck choosing an angle to molly on A Train without info
2019-03-11 14:09
yes grenades equals less angles 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
2019-03-11 14:09
They reduce number of angles you're exposed to so technically, yes 😎😎
2019-03-11 14:09
holy shit you just blew my mind
2019-03-11 14:10
with inferno, I can understand B being harder than A but how tf can you say B train is harder than A train? A site train is literally notorious for being one of, if not the, hardest bomb sites in the game
2019-03-11 13:58
#2
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Poland kkkkkkkkkkkkk 
1. b inferno 2. b mirage 3. a train
2019-03-11 13:52
b inferno? humph interesting
2019-03-11 13:56
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Netherlands jonsve 
I guess... If you have a capable awper on the side with site control it's almost impossible to retake unless cts use their utility correctly. Otherwise a is way harder
2019-03-11 13:59
It's all personal for me but I've had much more success retaking B than A I just run into a million crossfires on A.
2019-03-11 14:01
This. It is literally impossible to go retake A without being traded instantly, if you even get that one kill.
2019-03-11 14:09
There are ton of variables: gun or pistol round? 5x5? defuse kit? hp? Edit: utilities?
2019-03-11 13:54
well let's say on average
2019-03-11 13:55
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NiKo | 
Finland Pikkunova 
1.B Inferno 2. B Dust2 3. A Train 4. B Mirage
2019-03-11 13:55
Personally I find A inferno much harder than B but eh doesn't seem to be the common opinion in this thread
2019-03-11 13:57
I guess common sense is that, b ist harder to retake. Even casters will say that frequently when watching inferno. It's about the few hard chokepoints you're dealing with + i guess maybe the time it would take to rotate from A over mid to banana. But i see your point A is also disgusting. I personally came down to hate inferno just for it's stupid retakes. I wouldn't go for any of them without a significant numbers advantage.
2019-03-11 14:31
with B you can smoke off spools + cross then you good to go really with A site, you're exposing yourself to apts, pit, graveyard, the actual site itself, library, boiler and the corner below balcony. It's like a web of crossfires with no easy way to smoke them all off .-. edit: oh and don't forget Connector + Cubby. literal nightmare
2019-03-11 14:34
Just for my understading if you're saying smoke cross do you mean ct or the way from the spot to banana?
2019-03-11 14:36
CT
2019-03-11 14:37
Why would you smoke CT on a retake?
2019-03-11 14:38
#61
Sweden hoey 
If youre retaking from banana?
2019-03-11 14:46
that and if you want to cut off CT when you have the site to prevent a T from jigglepeeking the defuser
2019-03-11 14:48
I guess many T's themselves resmoke it to be protectet from CT. Also as long as you have people coming from CT i would never suggest smoking both their entrances to the site. You could argue that the CT players could flash/get flashed through the smoke, but i think the T's have more from that setup. All the possibilities to hide or push the smoke cheesy, while you're basically limiting you're own refragability if the t's choose to push one of the chokepoints. Not to mention you need to send people over banana and these guys have to still have smokes. I doubt ur doing more for the retake than to lock urself out of the side
2019-03-11 15:58
What do you think? XD
2019-03-11 14:47
a site cache b site vertigo a site aztec
2019-03-11 13:56
current map pool nice try maple leaf
2019-03-11 13:56
oh my bad 1. a site de_rats 2. b site de_prodigy 3. b site on de_trainsawlaser
2019-03-11 13:57
better
2019-03-11 13:57
A site cache is easy, u even see a lot of teams play pistol rounds for retake specifically.
2019-03-11 14:19
imagine thinking i was serious with any of the choices i provided
2019-03-11 14:19
okay
2019-03-11 15:45
B dust 2 - all very narrow entrances B mirage - all very narrow entrances beside short A overpass - if bathrooms are correctly taken after plant
2019-03-11 13:58
B dust 2 agree B mirage agree but not this high up A overpass not rlly :P
2019-03-11 13:59
besides B dust 2, all the other bombsites are pretty much doable.. and i'm imagining on average a 3vs3 retake, thinking that the T's were traded by the 2 site defenders evenly
2019-03-11 14:03
well every bombsite is doable otherwise there'd be no such thing as a retake lol
2019-03-11 14:03
yes, ofc, but dust2 B is a bit more difficult than the others in average, imo ofc..
2019-03-11 14:04
i say overpass A because if you're rotating from B through bank or stairs, you're also very limited on what you can do.. only the flank can do something, but if the bathrooms guy plays correctly it's not so easy...
2019-03-11 14:06
#19
Estonia rYm 
wtf? what retake we are talking about? 1vs1 or 2vs4 or 5vs5?
2019-03-11 14:01
I mean if we are talking hypothetical situations, of course it has to be equal numbers on both sides... and since I'm asking for your average retake.....let's say 3v3
2019-03-11 14:02
inf A ovp A cache B
2019-03-11 14:04
#26
Edward | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
1. B site dust2 2. A site inferno 3. B site inferno
2019-03-11 14:05
+1
2019-03-11 14:10
understandable
2019-03-11 14:12
#27
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Other khorkalba 
Wtf? A on Train has to be one of the nicest sites to retake. The rotation from B to A is really quick even if you cut through CT spawn instead of connector... and the trains make it easy to isolate the Ts and pick them off one at a time instead of being caught in a crossfire.
2019-03-11 14:05
When played properly, A site Train is nearly impossible to retake Trains make it easy to isolate Ts sure but it's the other way around as well. not to mention you are peeking into angles held by Ts and prefiring the narrow corners/angles on A Train is super hard.
2019-03-11 14:11
#42
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Romania Iosif 
Depends on the XonX situation...in an 1v1, the T should never lose it
2019-03-11 14:15
even in a 4v4 postplant, I would favor the Ts....kinda reflected by how CT sided this map is You're forced to run into the bombsite while exposing yourself to a million angles. You're fortunate to not lose like 2 or 3 players in the first ten seconds of the site execute.
2019-03-11 14:36
#31
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
1. B Dust 2 / Nearly impossible to retake for example in 3v3 where terrorists have utilities left. 2. A Train / When terrorists have utility and play together it becomes nearly impossible to retake it. 3. Overpass A / With toilet control, extremely easy to play for time and let the bomb explode.
2019-03-11 14:07
+1
2019-03-11 14:20
dust2 B mirage B cache B inferno A overpass A
2019-03-11 14:17
fuck yes yes eh fuck yes yes
2019-03-11 14:49
#48
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Brazil k1mkeid 
before open the thread I said "he'll surely put B of Dust 2" and hell yes, for me the hardest site to retake, you can defend the plant even in a 2v4 situation, what a damn site to retake, it's so weird
2019-03-11 14:20
#51
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Brazil k1mkeid 
let's see the B site of Inferno, isn't that much defending in a 2v4 situation, but it work damn good in B site of D2
2019-03-11 14:22
A site Inferno > B site Inferno so fucking hard to retake with all the angles + you being forced to run into the open
2019-03-11 14:29
#60
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Brazil k1mkeid 
and you have a teammate without headset
2019-03-11 14:43
yeah gg if that happens as well .
2019-03-11 14:49
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Aleksib | 
Finland xcel 
This is a list if there is not much utility left 1. Inferno A, so many simultaneous angles to cover 2. Dust2 B, smallest choke points 3. Overpass A, toilet plant is so powerful if played correctly
2019-03-11 14:52
reasonable list
2019-03-11 15:34
1. Inferno A, just save already 2. Overpass A, some awper will take ace from toilet Nt retake 3.Train B, Upper or lower dosent matter you will die tapping the bomb waiting for him to peek 4. Cobble B, literally impossible 5.Nuke B With open plant, Nt
2019-03-11 16:06
1. agree 2. ehh 3. don't agree 4. don't agree 5. agree
2019-03-11 16:07
2. JK hard but not impossible 3. Upper, lower, Oil train , lane , rafters and Molly from back... Explain 4.plant infront of chicken coop. Chicken coop , B long, B door , drop, pizza, How can you retake ?
2019-03-11 16:11
#75
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Sweden Alpacachino 
B site Nuke if there is more than 1 terrorist left
2019-03-11 18:07
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