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s1mple overrated
NAF | 
North America northamerican 
It's kind of hilarious how s1mple joined navi when navi was already a top team for years and suddenly everyone thinks s1mple is the only reason navi does anything while flaming legends like edward and zeus. You people are such slaves to rating numbers and stats you are completely incapable of looking at the bigger picture FACT: s1mple is one of the biggest baiters, yet never comes up in the conversation while people call players like cold baiters FACT: s1mple is possibly the most "set-up" player in the scene, with navi playing their rounds focused around giving s1mple success. FACT: Edward and Zeus have been at the top for literal decades. The idea that they are just noobs who don't know what they're doing and get carried by this young kid is ridiculous FACT: Every single team before navi spoke about how toxic s1mple was when he left. People think he's not toxic anymore because navi players don't speak out since he's still on the team. His constant disputes with elige and nitr0 tore liquid apart, he thought he could igl better than blad3 and flamed legends like markeloff, he lasted barely any time at all on hellraisers. He's a corrosive element to the team. FACT: Once Liquid reorganized their roster they were better without s1mple. Flipsid3 was just as consistently good at majors, and hellraisers hit their peak post-s1mple. Navi won FAR more tournaments and were FAR more consistent pre-s1mple. These teams are NOT only good because of s1mple, and their results without s1mple show that conclusively. FACT: If we are looking at stats, let's look at stats that conclusively mean something. In the last 6 months, s1mple's 1v1 winrate is the 2nd worst on the team, only in front of flamie hltv.org/stats/players/clutches/483/1on1.. hltv.org/stats/players/clutches/7998/1on.. hltv.org/stats/players/clutches/484/1on1.. hltv.org/stats/players/clutches/8918/1on.. FACT: Zeus had an easier time winning a major with players like dosia on his team than with s1mple. Ouch FACT: s1mple is the biggest eco hunter in the scene Looking at s1mple's match results, it's clear he's nothing special as a star player in what he adds to the team. Stop using your feelings and looking at stats and watch the matches, and watch how navi plays, and watch what types of plays and what players win them rounds, and what loses them rounds. S1mple is not all he's cracked up to be, and just having the best superficial stats doesn't make you the best player.
2019-03-11 21:00
bump
2019-03-11 21:05
+1 s1mple stat padder so the org can sell him for more he isn’t really that good of a player
2019-03-11 22:04
dev2ce
2019-03-12 21:51
wow, says irrelevant player who was good in 2010
2019-03-13 15:22
F0rest = legend Dev2ce = biggest choker until Astralis era. Now more overrated than ever.
2019-03-13 19:30
f0rest is known only for his time in 1.6 if he wasn’t that, then he’s nobody and that’s a fact
2019-03-14 17:40
Id checks out
2019-03-14 18:10
4th account
2019-03-14 18:17
lmao f0rest were superstar even in csgo and he won major and so many tournaments here. He is the truly GOAT. He is like Maradona/Pele in football, or like Jordan in Basketball
2019-03-14 21:07
#113
HUMANS | 
Russia Men))) 
Yes, he overrated but still he is best player
2019-03-14 17:55
#123
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India AMKW 
Lol Stop it get some help He is the best csgo player and will be
2019-03-14 18:31
flag checks out name checks out flair checks out 0/8
2019-03-14 18:43
#139
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India AMKW 
Aw Look at yourself Just got nothing to make a comeback Sad af
2019-03-14 18:44
#141
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India AMKW 
You are just too afraid that dev2ce will get destroyed again
2019-03-14 18:45
ye ye like the major finals right? s1mple was sooooooo strong he almost didn’t get 16-0ed
2019-03-14 18:45
#148
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India AMKW 
Damn people still don't know what a team play is and what an individual play is Learn please
2019-03-14 18:47
damn team play wins majors single plays choke in finals
2019-03-14 18:49
#155
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India AMKW 
single play And magisk wins the MVP
2019-03-14 18:52
so because one player is better than others = single play? india brain
2019-03-14 18:57
#164
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India AMKW 
Damn again calling the country out Man you are soo weak I feel sorry for your parents
2019-03-14 18:58
bro pakistan will win hindustan = gone
2019-03-14 18:58
#170
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India AMKW 
Sure Try thinking about 9/11 that will happen again if Pakistan gets our Kashmir
2019-03-14 19:04
kashmir is pakistan cry is free btw 9/11 was in america nt india brain
2019-03-14 19:48
#202
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India AMKW 
You are not human , You must have seen the news of NZ attack that guy was trained as a militant in Pakistan Fuck you dude , just die Ik 9/11 in America but it's the people You want them to die Better us that you die cus you are such a shit person in real life Oh may e you are a militant That's why supporting Pak God curse you and your family
2019-03-15 08:34
he is
2019-03-11 21:06
#3
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China FazeIsNoob 
Most undeserved top20- NAF Choke so hard on two majors in a row, trash.
2019-03-11 21:07
Does nothing matter other than majors? NAF is one of the highest rated players in the world consistently at big lans against good opponents. This is a non-sequitur anyway, you're just mad I called out s1mple overrated so youre trying to attack a player I'm a fan of.
2019-03-11 21:15
#14
Xyp9x | 
Czech Republic JeSuS_ 
whaaa??????
2019-03-11 21:16
Imagine using the same defenses s1mple fans use for your favorite player.
2019-03-11 21:36
I'm using their own logic against them, I don't think it's a good argument. I like NAF because you can see his clear impact by watching the matches and his success in big rounds and clutch situations.
2019-03-11 21:38
And s1mple doesn't? Stop being a hypocrite.
2019-03-11 21:39
I don't think s1mple is bad, just overrated.
2019-03-11 21:40
I disagree, he is the best player in the world in my and many other (professional's included) eyes. You can nitpick, but even with nitpicking nearly all of them are shut down pretty easily. He is the best player and you aren't going to be the guy to change HLTV's mind.
2019-03-11 21:42
HLTV's player ranking is literally just based on stat numbers, which are superficial and provide a flawed view of the game.
2019-03-11 21:43
I mean the community of players that use HLTV you dingus. It provides a pretty accurate look at the game, even if it's flawed no look will be perfect.
2019-03-11 21:44
#125
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India AMKW 
Bro Naf is good S1mple is legend There have been many threads of this same topic And he is the best csgo player and will be Stop complaining
2019-03-14 18:33
s1mple choked at 3 majors, lol
2019-03-11 21:27
#121
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
And still has a better achievements than NUFF lmao
2019-03-14 18:28
#126
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India AMKW 
Atleast he didn't eat a cigarette
2019-03-14 18:33
#132
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Norway SaltySausage 
thats allus job
2019-03-14 18:40
#133
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India AMKW 
haha nice one
2019-03-14 18:41
+1 Yeah, he was scared. 😎
2019-03-14 19:23
#178
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India AMKW 
:) Reply should have....... content
2019-03-14 19:27
#4
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Poland wiktorex 
bullshit 0/8 wtf even is that ? FACT: s1mple is the biggest eco hunter in the scene electronic and flamie getting all eco kills all the time and you call him biggest eco hunter lul
2019-03-11 21:08
Yea everyone gets eco kills all the time. S1mple gets the most though and people go OMG s1mple ace vs glocks s1mple so good.
2019-03-11 21:16
#31
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Romania StefanVEEEE 
yes s1mple is shit, u are the best player
2019-03-11 21:23
Great argument, because I say s1mple is overrated I must be saying he's bad and that I'm better. I definitely said and believe both those things, you've got it right belgium.
2019-03-11 21:24
#127
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India AMKW 
Damn stfu kid I give you 0/8 And for a little bonus I " send you to the RANCH"
2019-03-14 18:34
#5
s1mple | 
Germany P4iN 
I agree
2019-03-11 21:08
#6
Denmark zink 
hltv.org/matches/2295140/flipsid3-vs-nat.. yes, Na'Vi was better without s1mple
2019-03-11 21:08
wtf lol absolute GOD
2019-03-11 21:17
#134
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Norway SaltySausage 
114 kills against legends at 17. true god
2019-03-14 18:42
I made a structured post where I argued that people only say s1mple is the best due to anecdotes and looking at the stats instead of the bigger picture...so you link me a stats page of one match...LOL
2019-03-11 21:17
#27
Denmark zink 
If you think it's anecdotal that s1mple averages the highest rating ever, throughout a year, and then proceed to throw around "Zeus had an easier time without s1mple", then I'm pretty sure you've got your definitions mixed up brother. You're a bad shot at a bad bait. s1mple isn't just good because of statistics. He has provided some of the most magic moments of CS history - regardless of his rating.
2019-03-11 21:20
As I've said time and time again-no real analysis in your post, just meaningless stats and anecdotes. Rating is meaningless without contextualizing where his kills and deaths came from, I've sufficiently argued why his "highest rating ever" doesn't make him the best player in the post. >He has provided some of the most magic moments of CS history a n e c d o t e
2019-03-11 21:23
#49
Denmark zink 
Everything will be anecdotal if you want to disregard facts. He has taken Liquid further than any other player, while playing some of the most beautiful Counter-Strike that has ever been broadcasted. youtube.com/watch?v=kUSN6u5CSRE - doing this, on the biggest stage, while still dropping absolutely incredible numbers (1.17 KD, .13 higher than number two on his team) is magical. These kills came from a situation where he had absolutely no right, which describes most of his tournament even. He took a team, that had never really done anything before he joined, and dragged them through to a major final, making it America's best run at a major at that time. You trying so hard to quantify a spectator sport makes it lose it's appeal. A very comparable example: Messi doesn't have much better stats than Cristiano Ronaldo, but when you turn on the TV, or show up at the stadium, there's no doubt who's the greatest ever.
2019-03-11 21:35
Your own analysis is pure conjecture rather critique of his stats...
2019-03-14 18:45
one match lol
2019-03-11 21:24
You linked the stats page of one match. You repeat what I said as if it's incorrect. That's what you did. I agree it is quite funny...
2019-03-11 21:25
#175
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Lithuania arres 
that's you who post anecdotes. You are aware that empirical evidence is the way to go and not subjective "set up player", "eco hunter", "baiter" and shit like that. Also overwhelming majority of people at all levels of cs agree that he is the best player. The only people who disagree are couple of edge lords who creates these stupid threads where and all arguments are the same - "set up player", "eco hunter", "baiter" and you never see any empirical data nor there exist any to back the claims. Look at his stats at first kills, hs percentage, awp kills, etc. He is dominating in almost every stat you can find. As for the setup, who cares. Every team who have star player sets up plays for him. That's logical - there most chances he will get the kill because he is most skilled. Why that is not OK??? Everyone hunts for ecos. Everyone plays the same game, everyone does every same thing. ANd even if he is the biggest eco hunter at cs, also who cares. To be the one who kills most ecos, you also must have skills to do that - like figuring out where people might hide, taking on hunt before enemy takes the possitions, be clever enough to cover all the ground. TLDR: S1mple is the best, your thread sucks, you have nothing to back up your claims
2019-03-14 19:21
#28
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
very ez 4 GOAT
2019-03-11 21:20
#7
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Other Shnwy 
amen brotha
2019-03-11 21:08
What happened for liquid when s1mple joined?
2019-03-11 21:09
They had some on and off good performances, and then they later restructured their roster after he left and became way better than they were with him.
2019-03-11 21:14
#17
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Poland wiktorex 
they were getting to major finals? hehee
2019-03-11 21:16
Why does one anecdote overturn the bigger picture? They also bombed out last place in a ton of tournaments with s1mple, and now they're one of the most consistently good top teams.
2019-03-11 21:18
They just chocked in major quarters and lost to fucking Rogue
2019-03-15 14:33
That was mostly because they restructured the team,they were crap without him for a year(with a few decent/good tournaments)
2019-03-11 21:59
#9
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Poland wiktorex 
there is so much bullshit
2019-03-11 21:09
no, you are just a s1mple fan
2019-03-11 21:19
What is bullshit? If it's such obvious bullshit and you feel compelled to comment about it why don't you point it out?
2019-03-11 21:19
he is just using high sens and pray'n shooting everywhere.. thats all. overrated..
2019-03-11 21:10
0/8 nt top 20 naf
2019-03-11 21:10
#15
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Liberia weALLcheat 
I heard people from Canada were not as dumb as muricans. Must be a lie then
2019-03-11 21:16
I say the stats dont show the full picture, you link a ranking entirely based on stats as your genius counter argument.
2019-03-12 21:45
#122
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
And what does show? Tournament wins LUL?
2019-03-14 18:29
The genius mind of a s1mple fan, where it is a hard LUL to think tournament wins are important.
2019-03-14 19:07
#185
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
The genius narrative of s0mple hater LUL, unable to operate with facts and not his subjective BS lmao. “sTaTs DoNt MaTtEr AnD tHeY dOnT gIvE a FuLl PiCtUrE, nO cOnTeXt”. Keep whining, kid. Literally spend your whole day on that type of Bullshit just to get some attention lmao
2019-03-14 19:51
true
2019-03-11 21:18
s1mple plays for stats, he is the best at raw skill but he is braindead in terms of decisions if compared to the top players... thats why he won so few stuff in his carreer lol kids nowdays dont realize how cs works, and think s1mple is at the same level of coldzera, device, prime olof, prime snax etc, but in reality he is faar away, he rekts the team and overpeeks too much. also, he choked in key games a lot of times so far, specially in majors. #s1mpleoverated #s1mple_destroyed_navi #thecryisfree #znajder_1_major_s1mple_0_major
2019-03-11 21:18
#25
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
FACT: s1mple is one of the biggest baiters, yet never comes up in the conversation while people call players like cold baiters meanwhile s1mple is one of top 5 guys which most opening kills in 2018. Yeaaah a "FACT".
2019-03-11 21:19
You people are COMPLETELY incapable of understanding any concept outside of flawed statistics If I bait and hold a push against an eco=opening kill. If I lurk and get the first while my team entries a site=opening kill. You don't actually see s1mple ENTRYING when navi takes a site. You can't just sit here and link stats and expect to understand the game. You have to watch it.
2019-03-11 21:21
#38
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
You completely incapable of understanding how life is outside of your delusions.
2019-03-11 21:27
Nice counter argument against my debunking of your flawed logic. You really tore apart how I was wrong.
2019-03-11 21:30
#47
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
I dont need counter arguments vs delusions. "You don't actually see s1mple ENTRYING" yeah how retarded you need to be to expect best clucher in the team to go as entry?
2019-03-11 21:32
You two comments above: He's not baiting You now: He's baiting but that's good I addressed the "clutch" idea in the original post, he's not as "clutch" as you think, he's actually one of the worst on the team despite being designed as the clutch player.
2019-03-11 21:34
#52
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
He is one of the worst in cluches omegafuckinglul, youre delusions is just on another level.
2019-03-11 21:35
You have your preconceived notions and no evidence to back them up, and you get emotional and think I'm ridiculous when I break those notions. You FEEL like s1mple wins more clutches than zeus, edward, and electronic, but he actually doesn't, as I provided evidence for in the original post. But the facts don't care about your feelings makatas.
2019-03-11 21:37
#58
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
Im not getting emotional, your delusions just make me cringe. S1mple one of the worst cluchers, yeah whats next, happy one of the best igl's?
2019-03-11 21:38
I provided evidence and arguments for the claims I made and you will not listen to them as they break your preconceived notions and they seem ridiculous to you because of that.
2019-03-11 21:39
#70
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
S1mple has most 1x1 won in his team(with electronic being very close behind) in 2018. Also you intentionally ignore him winning much more 1x2 1x3 than any other of his teammates. Its not facts when you ignore portion of them to make your delusions more believable. Its like claiming vaccines causes autism. There always will be some articles claiming its true, and when people are as delusional as you, they just takes what they want to from all the available information, ignoring everything else.
2019-03-11 21:49
LOL you have no idea how to read statistics. S1mple "wins more 1v1s" because he's IN MORE 1v1s because he baits his team LOL. If you look at sheer quantity of 1v3s won or whatever you completely fucking ignore who out of zeus or electronic or edward or s1mple is in more 1v3 situations. S1mple is always in more of these situations because he baits his team...
2019-03-11 21:54
#72
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
Do you even know what baiting is? Its not baiting if they die without even giving chance for s1mple to refrag you dumb fuck. It s1mple would get so many kills just because of baiting he would never be in so many 1v3 situations.
2019-03-11 21:56
Your team decides to rush b apts. You decide to stay back and let your team entry while you sit in apts. If your team dies into a 1v3, you were baiting without a chance for refrag.
2019-03-11 21:59
#75
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
No, thats not how baiting works......
2019-03-11 21:59
Baiting isn't just sitting behind your teammate waiting to trade.
2019-03-11 22:00
#77
s1mple | 
Lithuania Makatas 
It actually is. Staying in apts because he has other job to do during the execute(like watching for flank) isnt baiting.
2019-03-11 22:01
"and no evidence to back them up" all evidence people have provided against you are disregarded as being flawed and irrelevant by you. Playing by your rules it's impossible to win since the answer will always be subjective.
2019-03-12 21:59
#114
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Finland Dtfs 
+1
2019-03-14 18:01
nice try
2019-03-11 21:24
+1 finally someone with sense
2019-03-11 21:25
Using the 1v1 CLUTCH stat cant represent the 1v1 stat Moreover 1v1 CLUTCH cant reflect much since he is an awper who will be too far to have any info when he is the last 1 standing To have a fair comparison, you should use the entry frag stat
2019-03-11 21:26
The 1v1 stat is flawed, this is true, but the people on this forum are so obsessed with stats I have to use it to convince them. However, the entry frag stat is even more flawed. Entry frags don't even mostly come from someone running out the bombsite first for their team. You can get tons of opening kills from lurking or holding angles for pushes.
2019-03-11 21:28
#45
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Poland wiktorex 
but s1mple is mostly rushing bombsites or other positions to get entry so stop fucking trolling NAF
2019-03-11 21:31
No, he's not. This claim is just false. Watch a navi game.
2019-03-11 21:42
+1 but little 8 year old s1mple fan girls wont agree to me coz India dont have a cs scene so i shud not talk about s1mple according to them
2019-03-11 21:28
stfu noscener)))
2019-03-11 21:38
as i said.. HUNGARYhahahhahahahahahaahahha
2019-03-11 22:04
Hungary:one player in top22 India:error404
2019-03-11 22:11
f0rskin is our best player
2019-03-11 22:54
I said stats dont tell the whole story and your genius counter argument is linking me a stats page.
2019-03-12 22:43
Half of your facts are interpretations or unprovable, while the other half can be proven wrong. Waste of time.
2019-03-11 21:31
#46
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Poland wiktorex 
+1
2019-03-11 21:32
+1
2019-03-11 21:33
Which facts can be proven wrong?
2019-03-11 21:41
#84
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France Telt 
You firstly say that stats don't matter, but you've got one of your facts based on one precise piece of statistics, which on top of that is the only "bad" one you managed to find about s1mple. However you could know that s1mple had the 2nd most 1vx clutches in the whole top 20 in 2018 after xypn9x, one more reason to think that you're simply screaming away your hate which led you to actually believe something you'd like to be real..
2019-03-11 22:23
SHEER QUANTITY OF CLUTCHES OMEGALUL I'm not even going to explain to you why using sheer quantity of 1v1s won is a ridiculous way to approach it. If you can't figure it out on your own its useless having a discussion with you.
2019-03-12 21:42
#102
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France Telt 
Well I guess you're trolling, aren't you ?
2019-03-13 18:46
Still cant figure out why sheer quantity of 1v1s is a bad stat?
2019-03-13 19:02
#108
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France Telt 
"Because he has play more games than, etc etc etc". I do agree with the fact that won clutches ratio is a better indicator, but such a high quantity of clutches still means a lot.
2019-03-13 21:25
Don't agree with s1mple being overrated but agree that navi were top tier team without him, and when people say if -s1mple then -navi tier100 its just stupid.
2019-03-11 21:34
#85
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France Telt 
This is hardly deniable, na'vi's level seems to have barely improved as a team since the 2015-2016 times, and even if I consider all of their players as top tier ones, I can't imagine them doing anything without the firepower that s1mple brings. Still they showed good signs in Katowice, and moreover I might be wrong all the way (which I hope).
2019-03-11 22:27
You could've been taken seriously until the last fact
2019-03-11 21:36
Does s1mple not eco hunt?
2019-03-11 21:41
Sometimes,but not nearly as much as other people. He has the AWP most of the times,he is definetly not eco hunting with that weapon,so about half of the rounds are written off.And on the other rounds he sometimes does it but its nowheeere close to being the biggest eco hunter
2019-03-11 22:04
he's not biggest eco fragger in the scene but getting so many eco/exit kills.Just watch navi-ence dust2.70-80% of his kills were vs eco.Fun fact that device is no where close to him (in terms of hunting for eco frags) but ppl(navi fanboys) still call him eco fragger.
2019-03-11 22:12
Rating fairly almost no one in the scene is good, anyways lets start the debunk: - s1mple is set up because he is so good they can put it that way and be more consistent than not - s1mple does generally carry players like Zeus or Edward, just becuase they are legends doesn't mean they can't get carried, - Zeus had multiple other really good players in Gambit, they hit their peak play that major and lost it afterwards, - Zeus has helped s1mple mature as a player, they don't complain because he HAS gotten better, he's a lot more respectable now. - s1mple is never called a baiter because he entries a lot, even if he's been losing the recent ones he plays it a lot and does a lot of aggressive play that doesn't need baiting. - Edward, GuardiaN, Zeus, seized, and flamie - This lineup was the only better one than the current and even then, they're 5 more LAN Top 4's than the current one, while the current one has the same number of events won with 100+ less maps played. - Picking out the single bad stat to negate all the other massive good ones makes you a retard.
2019-03-11 21:37
#83
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France Telt 
+1. This is pure hate, I wonder how someone could take this post serioulsy. You said it all, buy I'd add that Liquid reached the semi-final, and then the finals at two majors in a row in 2016 with s1mple, and anyone who was watching by then would admit that s1mple was the main reason for it.
2019-03-11 22:18
Your pathetic hatred about this player has blinded you to his greatness. S1mple is the greatest player to ever install cs. That Starladder run proved it. None of your points make any sense and have no context attached to them.
2019-03-11 21:41
IKR, this dude keeps bringing up random specific things like 1v1 winrates to paint the whole picture. s1mple joins Liquid, gets them to a semi and final of majors which is the best NA has ever done and then he claims that Liquid are better now than when s1mple was in the roster. Great comparsion as Liquid has 2 players left from that roster along with some of the best NA players ever in the likes of NAF and twistzz. I don't understand how someone can watch s1mple in 2018 and claim that he isn't one of the best, without looking at the stats it's amazing how much impact 1 player can have, and after looking at the stats it's even better. These people have to truely hate s1mple to be this blind.
2019-03-15 09:05
+1
2019-03-15 14:25
#86
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Ukraine mortydefiled 
i loled
2019-03-11 22:28
Stop pointing out the obvious!
2019-03-12 21:45
#91
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
hmmm, check the other clutch numbers, not just 1v1s, zeus, edward and flamie won a lot of 1v1s during the major,
2019-03-12 21:48
13 iq hltv user detected (but its still your opinion so I have my)
2019-03-12 21:50
NaVi were hardly relevant for the first 2,5 years in CS:GO. They reached a peak in late 2015 thanks to GuardiaN and seized reaching their career peaks. You know what s1mple brought to NaVi? Top tier consistency. They have been a consistent top team since mid 2017. They never managed that prior to s1mple joining. They had some peaks during tournaments but thanks to s1mple (and lately electronic) they have reached a new high and can actually be considered a true top4 team
2019-03-12 21:51
#94
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Netherlands BenDoverXX 
“FACT: Zeus had an easier time winning a major with players like dosia on his team than with s1mple. Ouch” How is this related to s1mple being the bad one even tho he carries/top frags most matches?
2019-03-12 21:51
Because wins are what counts, not top frags
2019-03-12 22:02
Waste of time. 0/8.
2019-03-12 21:55
#99
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Denmark Yung_Leann 
yea dude, s1mple is the biggest baiter in the scene rn, idk how can't people realize it, ppl praise him for having a high amount of clutches but they fail to notice that he is almost always the last one alive, also when you call him a baiter his fans mentions his openin kills, they think that just because he has high amount of opening kills he isn't baiting while in fact he is gettin most of his opening kills from a safe distance with the AWP, he is never goin in first.
2019-03-12 22:09
So by your logic Xyp9x is a huge baiter and is trash because he baits. Understood.
2019-03-13 18:50
Have you ever thought that they set him up and allow him to bait because he is the best player in the world? You have a lot of flaws in this. Do you think zeus or edward would do just as good as s1mple if they were set up like him? If you do then you're out of your mind.
2019-03-13 18:49
#107
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World WestSideDude 
the most retarded bait im my life.
2019-03-13 19:32
#109
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Russia Alpakooo 
wtf, using 1v1 stats for facts
2019-03-13 21:29
ok time to debunk retard thread again :) Fact 1: He entries allot, also its a very viable bait. Fact 2: Yeah he is one of the most setup players in the scene but i dont understand why that matters. Its worth setting him up, and no other player would be able to get the same numbers as him even though they are setup in the same way. Fact 3: Sure they've been pros for a long time, so they have experience, thats not enough to qualify them to play at a tier 1 scene, also it doesnt have anything to do with s1mple being overrated. Fact 4: He literally carried the previous teams he was on, his toxicity was a problem, but we can kinda safely assume that hes atleast not as toxic as before. Also ur assuming that the teams were bad because of him which is absolutely stupid. If a player like S1mple was to go to Liquid now Liquid would literally be so close to reaching #1 team. Fact 5: There wasnt an extremely dominant astralis back then. So saying that NaVi won way more tournaments before is a stupid argument because there wasnt as much challenge. Fact 6: So ur saying that 1v1 rate are the only stats that matter? Fucking sped. Fact 7: Everyone on Gambit played at their peek at that major, and there wasnt as good opponents. Ur basically just saying that S1mple isnt as good as everyone on Gambit combined at their prime which is fairly obvious that he isnt. Fact 8: S1mple is the biggest eco hunter is a fact now? ok lol show proof pls. And also even if this is true his stats arent this good just because he eco hunts, otherwise everyone would have that good stats,
2019-03-13 21:41
-peek -peak MM language detected
2019-03-14 18:21
+1 Very true They say AWPers statpad when talking about any AWPer but when it comes to s1mple, its different. Fact- He is the biggest baitor and statpadder. Not saying bad players but he is playing for the stats.
2019-03-14 17:52
s1mple was top 1 in opening duel kills in 2018 nt street shitter
2019-03-14 18:38
nt fake flagger. Top 1 in opening duels because he baits. Learn English then talk. lul Can't even understand.
2019-03-14 18:42
Show proof that he baits
2019-03-14 18:50
Show proofs that baits exist?
2019-03-14 18:56
show proof that u dont poop on the street?
2019-03-14 18:58
Show proof that u didn't lick that poop?
2019-03-14 18:59
so u did shit on the street, nice +1 for honesty
2019-03-14 20:14
Show u did lick it, nice +1 for honesty.
2019-03-14 21:03
No unlike indians i have an aversion to shit, you guys probably shower in it
2019-03-14 22:11
#115
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North America AlanSmith 
+1
2019-03-14 18:03
rofl 2/8 bait
2019-03-14 18:23
#120
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China Slasher8888 
I think this is just ridiculous. The easiest proof would be just watch ENCE vs Navi. Even though Navi lost, s1mple pulled out some incredible plays to prove that he is one of, if not the best players to ever touch counter strike. Many of your arguments are also easily debunkable, #110 put it at best.
2019-03-14 18:25
people who say s1mple is overrated/baiter/eco fragger simply have brain damage it is pointless to even give arguments in this thread
2019-03-14 18:31
lul then why are you giving arguments? Braindead?
2019-03-14 18:43
#128
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Imagine spending your time on baiting an arguing whether s0mple is overrated or not on fucking CS:GO forum LUL Your life sucks lmao
2019-03-14 18:35
You commenting here => Your life sucks lmao
2019-03-14 18:44
#151
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
I didn’t spend 5+ hours writing retarded Bullshit just to get attention on cs forum lmao. And looking at #112 and #135 you are just as retarded as OP.
2019-03-14 18:50
So you were searching my comments. Thats not bullshit? Why did you even open the post if you think its bullshit. Dont know believe how delusional toxics like you exist?
2019-03-14 18:53
#158
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Searching? I just scrolled up a bit to find another deluded baiter. If you scroll up a little bit higher you will find your post pretty quickly as well LUL
2019-03-14 18:54
#153
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Top1 in opening duels because he baits. You know how fucking delusional and retarded you sound ? Lmao
2019-03-14 18:51
Don't know what baiting means? No context in the reply.
2019-03-14 18:54
coldzera is a pretty aggressive player idk why alot of people call him a bait player, maybe positioning wise but his gamestyle is very aggressive
2019-03-14 18:35
He is very good. His spray and aim are too on point. Personally I don't like him but he is indeed god.
2019-03-14 18:46
FACT: s1mple is the biggest eco hunter in the scene What about ecovice?
2019-03-14 18:37
FACT: BEST PLAYER OF 2018 STFU CUNT
2019-03-14 18:46
How is this overrated? prntscr.com/mxx95f prntscr.com/mxx9fs His continuing to do so in 2019 aswell. hltv.org/stats/players/events/7998/s1mpl.. He is a monster,whether we like it or not.
2019-03-14 18:46
Nice catch with those 1v1 statistics. Consider also the fact how often he gets these clutches. Zeus or Edward don't even get the chance to play as often 1v1 as simple, because they die while setting the game up for him
2019-03-14 18:53
Finally someone who understands
2019-03-14 18:56
#173 NT silver
2019-03-14 19:21
This is 99% bait but if not i feel sorry for you Here is a old thread i made before he got #1 2018 hltv.org/forums/threads/1961134/my-final.. Also you are saying he is the biggest ECO hunter while he have not many kills at all with SMGS and a guy made a top 20 players with ECO kills and S1mple was not even on that list but coldzera was #3 , I cant find the original tweet about this its old but im sure some nerds remember this tweet Na'Vi is worse now aswell because electronic is playing like a bot its like rain all over again and even tho he is playing bad S1mple is still playing insanse he is still #1 rated player 2019 hltv.org/stats?startDate=2019-01-01&endD.. vpesports.com/csgo/news/thorins-take-the..
2019-03-14 19:21
Bullshit whole thing
2019-03-14 19:22
Very convincing argument. Good points and thread.
2019-03-14 19:35
#181
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United States DervGuy 
hltv.org/news/25880/top-20-players-of-20.. But sure yeah let's all listen to this random mofo on hltv why not
2019-03-14 19:44
The author addresses this at the end of his post. Your reply does not in any way dispute anything he said, so I have no idea how you thought it'd be a reliable counter argument. It looks like "hey guys don't listen to this guy, take a look at statistics, that's all what matters", but if you had some understanding of the game, you'd know that stats aren't everything. You're just trying to blindfold people and maintain their superficial understanding of the game - the op is trying to open their eyes, and make them take a look from a different perspective.
2019-03-14 20:19
#188
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United States DervGuy 
I just don't get how someone can think he's overrated. Even if the team is setting up plays for him, its upon him to actually make those plays work. And if stats aren't everything, what am I missing?
2019-03-14 21:01
Then you don't get the essence of what being overrated means. Nobody denies that his ratings are the best, and that he deserves top1 of 2018, which was solely based on statistics. The overrating part comes when people call him the greatest of all time, when they say that he's the best in every aspect, that he plays 1v9, that navi is nothing without him and so on. Plus if stats were everything, then how come you have teams replacing players with rating below 1 and not becoming instantly better or not becoming better at all? How come you have teams like navi or vp being able to win against faze? I'm talking old faze with 4 star players. Teamplay is everything. If you're using your utility right, play with your team then you can have teams like astralis with 5 players performing above 1.1 rating. Place xyp9x or gla1ve in a team not that dominant and it won't be possible, especially for gla1ve, who has never been even close to his 2018 level. Basically simple might be a great example. In 2016 he replaced zeus, so navi got rid off 0.95 rating player and got one with 1.2-1.3 rating, right? And they turned into dogshit. Such change works in faceit pubs, not on pro scene, where well-constructed teamplay will win against any combination of skilled players.
2019-03-14 22:03
#198
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United States DervGuy 
Hmm, you actually make some fair points.
2019-03-14 22:14
simple is just a shit, ukrainian idiot someone will write "as like you"
2019-03-14 19:45
#190
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Spain vG|TooNyy 
+1 bro
2019-03-14 21:05
''FACT: s1mple is the biggest eco hunter in the scene'' bro what do you mean. 1st prove this please. 2nd what does it even mean? That he's not the best because he gets eco kills???? These so called ''arguments'' that you just throw out as ''FACTS'' proves that you are just reaching at this point. Nt, still waiting for someone to make a valid post about s1mple not being the best player atm and in 2018 because this certainly wasn't it.
2019-03-14 21:22
+1
2019-03-14 22:07
#196
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Cry
2019-03-14 22:13
#197
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Europe xSKYY 
s1mple Top 20 #4('16), #8('17), #1('18)
2019-03-14 22:13
tl dr s1 #1 naf where? navi won at least one t1 tournament which is Cologne what about Shituid? nt mad cocksucker.
2019-03-14 22:15
damn u really tried hard, but no one cares didn't read btw
2019-03-14 22:16
#201
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Other awzaq 
s1mple Top 20 #4('16), #8('17), #1('18)
2019-03-14 22:19
FACT k, Dwight Schrute. Liquid were god awful before they picked up s1mple and he continued to get them to a major semi and final, the best major results in the history for NA. Yes the Liquid lineup in 2018 was better than the one with s1mple but its not fucking comparable when there's only 2 players left out of that Liquid lineup. Do you think a lineup with hiko and adren in 2018 would be better than the one with s1mple, didn't think so... Navi were not better without s1mple, he even destroyed them in the 2016 cologne major with Liquid. Yes, Navi as a team were better in the earlier days of CSGO but before s1mple joined they weren't, as to why they wanted s1mple to join. Navi started off by winning esl one new york when s1mple joined where he was the MVP, and yes they did have a dry run after that but there was tons of international issues in the team such as having no IGL, the fact that coaching in-game stopped being allowed which was a huge deal for Navi with starix. In 2018 however s1mple elevated a dying team to a new level. In 2018 s1mple had by far the most impact as an individual throughout the history of CSGO, deny that and you're delusional. Make the argument that Navi helps him out alot and sets him up to be in great situations but that goes the same for every star player in every top team, s1mple elevated Navi to a new level, without him they would be irrelevent and you can't go back to 2015-2016 and compare that Navi to this one because it's two different teams and the players on Navi aren't as good as they were back then.
2019-03-15 08:55
#206
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
0/8
2019-03-15 14:26
u make such a long thread to say some useless shit? u must hate simple very much arent u?
2019-03-15 14:36
Your "arguments" are purely shits you invented yourself. Are you really 12? Can't you comprehend that the real arguments out there are statistics. And if it's not s1mple the best player right now? Who is it? device? The most boring awper in the entire cs go pro scene NAF? the guy that is playing for 3 years and only reached once the top 20? Niko? Well, idk, i like NiKo, but there is no way he is better than s1mple. And what games have you watched? Or are you said that just to make your shitty "story" longer? The way s1mple is playing with that awp is maybe even better than kenny at it's prime....and he also is an insanse ak, usp, deagle, scout player.
2019-03-15 14:40
>Can't you comprehend that the real arguments out there are statistics. Found the kid who saves every round and says hes carrying. >device? The most boring awper in the entire cs go pro scene Your best argument against device being #1 is that he's boring lmao.
2019-03-19 17:39
Nah, I'm out...you are just proving the common belief about americans. And that's sad considering I've been to USA and I've meet a lot of smart and nice people.
2019-03-19 17:43
tl.dr s1mple is god though
2019-03-19 17:41
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