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NICE M4 UPDATE VALVE
Australia the_trash_man_returns 
STOP LISTENING TO REDDIT THANKS FOR FIVE EXTRA ROUNDS TO REMIND ME HOW GARBAGE THE GUNS FIRERATE IS, seriously, first the reserve change then the extra 5 rounds, just give us an improved RPM for fucks sake
2019-03-14 00:58
#1
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Finland dev2ce 
+1 20/40 with old ROF is way better.
2019-03-14 00:58
#27
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Sweden yayer 
+1
2019-03-14 03:27
#28
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Sweden yayer 
people on hltv with brain> 15 years old reddit kids nowadays
2019-03-14 03:28
#67
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United States GenericPilot 
so you mean no one on hltv > 15 years old reddit kids?
2019-03-14 21:24
+1
2019-03-14 21:26
#80
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Sweden yayer 
Pretty much
2019-03-14 22:06
#90
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United States GenericPilot 
In all seriousness, reddit hosts civil discussion. (Something that can't exactly be said for HLTV.) Weather or not they're right is subjective, but people on HLTV aren't smarter just because they share an opinion with you.
2019-03-14 22:18
#95
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Sweden yayer 
reddit is becoming hltv slowly , i prefer hltv all day.
2019-03-14 23:04
#99
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United States GenericPilot 
Care to explain why?
2019-03-14 23:40
everyone on reddit has 3k hours, an old friend or is new to the game either way no one on their who uses it has got out of gold nova
2019-03-14 23:43
#116
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Denmark Twick_ 
Are you actually British? Because it seems like a weird mistake for a Brit to make, since you wrote “their” and I am pretty sure it should be “there” Sorry for being grammar retard
2019-03-18 07:52
yeah i meant there i was probably tired af sleep schedules fucked atm, didnt sleep all of last night 😎
2019-03-18 08:44
#123
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Greece HeavySmoker 
Yes
2019-03-19 15:14
#35
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Other VladimirLucas 
+1 i don't mind 20/60 @ 666 RPM
2019-03-14 07:29
yeah, lets just go back to how it was in 2014. they changed it for absolutely no reason back then. on the other hand, it might also be good to stop talking nonsense.
2019-03-14 08:12
#56
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Finland dev2ce 
on the other hand it might also be good to stop talking nonsense mate.
2019-03-14 12:40
M4 was op af back then
2019-03-14 15:55
#60
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Finland dev2ce 
op? sure mate
2019-03-14 19:41
Spoken like someone who didn't play Csgo in 2015. Back then the A1 was $3200 so $100 more than the A4 and had 20/40 ammo and 666rpm so the same as the A4 firerate. April 2015 pro tournament: hltv.org/stats?event=1702 It was used way, WAY more than the A4 to the point where the A4 was nearly irrelevant with nearly no pro using it as shown. Nearly everyone was using the A1 despite it being $100 more than the A4. This is what caused Valve to give it a big nerf in September 2015.
2019-03-14 21:56
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Finland dev2ce 
"It was used way, WAY more than the A4 to the point where the A4 was nearly irrelevant with nearly no pro using it as shown." Your logic is retarded, I could say the same about the usage rate of M4A4 and M4A1-S pre-AUG meta. hltv.org/stats?event=3376 hltv.org/stats?event=4083 hltv.org/stats?event=4205 M4A1-S isn't even on these tournament usage charts, therefore M4A4 must be OP, according to you.
2019-03-14 23:10
I'm not even arguing against the point that the A4 is used too much now compared to the A1 and I too think the A1 needed a buff. What I am arguing with you is your point that the old A1 back when it had 20/40 ammo and 666rpm "wasn't overpowered" according to you. It was definitely overpowered and led to the A1 dominance in the M4 choice. After the big A1 nerf over time that led to the A4 and A1 switching places where the A4 is used too much over the A1.
2019-03-15 00:10
i dont think its possible to balance M4A1 and M4A4. either the dps will be almost the same and the added value of the silencer will make the A1 better in most situations, or the dps wont be the same and people will prefer the A4. im only using A1 now because AUG is better than the A4 in literally every aspect so its nice to have an actual alternative. A4 is still better if you only compare the 2 M4s.
2019-03-15 10:08
#112
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Finland lurkkeri 
Pretty sure A1 used to cost $2900
2019-03-18 07:33
Uhmm no?
2019-03-18 07:43
#122
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Finland lurkkeri 
Uhmm yes? It cost 2900 for over a year
2019-03-19 15:13
i only remember when it cost 3200 :D
2019-03-19 17:07
#130
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Finland lurkkeri 
uushomo :D
2019-03-20 14:51
:DD
2019-03-20 15:25
Only at the very beginning when it was released then Valve increased the price to 3100 and then 3200 before it got its big nerf.
2019-03-18 09:29
it wasnt valve just hates it that people play only one weapon they should change them so that everyone might want to deicde themself what gun to play and not whats meta for that changing all weapons at once in a correct way should work
2019-03-14 21:16
#97
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Finland dev2ce 
+1
2019-03-14 23:10
Go back to 2014/15 cunt and see what bitches were saying then
2019-03-15 01:08
their changes are retarded all the time tf are you talking about look at negev and revolver
2019-03-15 01:11
What does that gotta do with shit u fucking cretin
2019-03-15 10:01
+1
2019-03-14 21:26
#105
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North America Techno_Lover 
Yup
2019-03-15 10:02
no one should use that rifle even tho it's way cooler but not as good as others
2019-03-14 01:00
#6
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Croatia mds818 
been using it past 2.x years
2019-03-14 01:01
then you have been putting yourself into disadventage for the past 2 years
2019-03-14 01:02
#9
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Croatia mds818 
sorry to disappoint you but I use my own brain, not someone's current meta
2019-03-14 01:03
then you are wrong if you think that a1 is better or even not that bad.. it's way worse then other rifles
2019-03-14 01:05
#14
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Croatia mds818 
crisp clean headshots easy flanking not making noise all over the map while shooting bullets not being traced if you can aim there's no point in using a4
2019-03-14 01:09
no point using a4? yeah right it just has higher rof and more ammo, why would you use that. It's more like if you cant hit anything, grab an a1 which should be more accurate so you hit at least something. The points you listed here may be nice but a4 has even bigger advantages
2019-03-14 01:11
#16
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Croatia mds818 
"higher rof and more ammo", dude that's equal to saying that more hp in car=faster car while ignoring all the other factors... why would I use more bullets and higher rof if im behind my opponents all the time and underline all the time, if I start taking them down(especially 1 by 1) with a4 they will hear me and see on radar=im dead(get 1 kill, maybe 2) if i'm behind them with a1 they wont figure it out that fast and I can shut down the round...
2019-03-14 01:14
You can use the weapon you want Sir, but if you are ALWAYS behind your enemies and ALWAYS killing 1 by 1, you are a golden nova.
2019-03-14 03:12
#33
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Croatia mds818 
I get your point but its working on all ranks because noone is doing that and it really goes down to the gamesense
2019-03-14 07:24
how would u know what works on the highest ranks? LOL
2019-03-14 08:13
That doesn't make any sense. I'm GE and level 9 in faceit, nothing special, just a "medium level" because i've play CS since 2002, but in highest ranks, it's nearly impossible to do those things. People look everywhere, people clear everywhere. Sometimes you can be behind enemy steps, but isn't something you will ALWAYS DO and ALWAYS WILL WORK. Specially when you kill someone 1 by 1 without trade kill lol.
2019-03-14 21:13
#66
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Croatia mds818 
dude it worked from gold nova to supreme, I'm not saying that I will rush 15 times and 15 times I will get the kills but something what works 90 percent of the times rushing under on mirage first round, pushing mid to a ramp in early rifle rounds(when they don't have awp) or when their economy is low, etc etc not to list all situations but you just need to calculate the stuff correctly but roughly if you play m4 and awp(sort of being primary awp but taking m4 when needed in certain rounds) you can catch them off the guard shitload of times it's just the matter of whatever if you're willing to give it a shot or not
2019-03-14 21:21
ok, now you have a point, ty for explanation! PS: shoxie and ScreaM are the proof that m4a1s can work if you have a good aim :)
2019-03-14 21:36
#75
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Germany Fabbsen 
I feel like the best thing is to equip M4A1-S and for situations you would take the M4A4 you just take the AUG which is even better then the M4A4
2019-03-14 21:45
#78
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Croatia mds818 
that's an interesting idea tbh
2019-03-14 21:58
#79
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Germany Fabbsen 
Gob actually did that since the aug update. He used the M4A1-S often too but the last year he moved to the M4 aswell until the AUG change. Best thing to do imo as you can still have both advantages during a game depending on what you gonna do.
2019-03-14 22:00
#20
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India compL1 
Bro you just can not force him. It's his weapon of choice. BTW a1 is still a good weapon :) cheers
2019-03-14 02:37
#98
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Bulgaria ONZIEMA 
plus 1 indiana
2019-03-14 23:15
L2p
2019-03-14 01:00
we shotgun meta now mag7 is 1300
2019-03-14 01:01
#7
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Mexico Ch4vez 
+1
2019-03-14 01:02
It's garbage on the range longer than 3m.
2019-03-14 01:18
won't be garbage if everyone is using it thou
2019-03-14 07:39
#46
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Yugoslavia bird4361 
+1 this boys thinking
2019-03-14 08:40
nova is quite good at long range, no joke. Also, if you will play strafe-shoot-strafe-shoot near the wall with shotgun u will have pretty nice advantage
2019-03-14 08:42
mag7 can do -50 from 10meters
2019-03-14 21:41
lmao
2019-03-14 03:13
#45
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Estonia Mrkruvi 
I once hit enemy in the head close range and it only did -67 Feelsbadman
2019-03-14 08:21
that is because u didnt hit every "shotgun bullet" idk what they are called
2019-03-14 21:41
#74
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Estonia Mrkruvi 
Could be, can't remember how it exactly happened
2019-03-14 21:43
#118
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Sri Lanka Lanttumon 
Yees
2019-03-18 08:50
#5
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Croatia mds818 
keep whining
2019-03-14 01:01
it's actually a good update, but ppl will whine at first as usual
2019-03-14 01:04
because a1 has been shit for the past 2 years and to come up with an update like this.. it's just disappointing
2019-03-14 01:06
#39
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
Youre probably just shit with it
2019-03-14 07:42
#119
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Sri Lanka Lanttumon 
It is pretty good update, not the one you hoped 4, but it is good.
2019-03-18 08:59
#13
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Other khorkalba 
"WAAAAH my silenced laser gun with almost no recoil still doesn't fire fast enough for me to get instant torso kills with my trashy aim"
2019-03-14 01:07
ROF is still by far the biggest selling point of the A4 so it is a legitimate compliant. but I like this change. It makes the two M4s actually more competitive with one another. Mainly: A4 - higher damage but less accuracy, no silencer, more bullets A1-S - lower damage but more accuracy, has a silencer, less bullets
2019-03-14 03:25
Don't forget ray traces trough the smoke spam which 1S has advantage of.
2019-03-14 09:07
#61
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Finland dev2ce 
ray trace? nt nvidia
2019-03-14 19:42
lol gg
2019-03-14 20:13
+1
2019-03-14 03:47
#37
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
Reddit in a few hours
2019-03-14 07:35
#40
k0nfig | 
Germany Trax_ 
+1
2019-03-14 07:42
+1
2019-03-14 09:08
#18
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United States ferric 
Rofl Valve is making some insanely good updates for the game and for the pro scene and still people complain. They've clearly learned their lesson of not pushing a huge change too much, so they tweak things slowly. They didn't nerf the CZ out of existence, they just did a bunch of small nerfs until the gun is pretty much balanced.
2019-03-14 02:05
#23
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Germany Roflcopter234 
+1
2019-03-14 03:19
#36
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
+1
2019-03-14 07:35
+1
2019-03-14 09:05
Hltv retards can't understand that. Old A1S was op and only a few were playing with A4.
2019-03-20 14:57
#19
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Germany notBaitland 
player become better every year. compare pro games from 2014 to 2019. ak was way better (one shot. 2.7k, spray ez for good player, players aim improved)before aug balanced ct site tbh. i think old m4a1s with old firerate old mag size would be balanced at this point and not op like it was in 2015. still good update tho!
2019-03-14 02:33
Has the update been implemented already or are we waiting for a date?
2019-03-14 03:20
nevermind
2019-03-14 03:25
#29
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Norway Bigg1 
is it not good that they buff the m4a1 tho? why so negative to them trying to balance it, dont see anything wrong by them doing that, would you rather they buff it to oblivion?
2019-03-14 03:33
#34
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Finland Fliida 
Some people just want to cry.
2019-03-14 07:28
Five extra rounds isnt going to change anything. The problem with the m4a1 is that its too slow to kill. If the ammo was a problem the gun wouldnt have been a 1st choice in 2014. Its just going to go back to the same shit. People will try m4a1, realize how shit it still is (why wouldnt it be? the gun is the same you just gave it more rounds) then they will go back to m4a4, 90% a4 10% a1. This is like giving the sawed off more ammo in an effort to improve the gun. Still the same shit
2019-03-14 03:34
in 2014 M4A1-S had 30 rounds in clip dude
2019-03-14 07:50
#48
chrisJ | 
France Escher 
No, it always had 20 bullets before now
2019-03-14 09:00
wtf is wrong with my memory but why and when did we startr using the m4a4 then i remember most people playing the m4a1
2019-03-14 11:45
#62
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Yugoslavia plsnopermaban 
m4a1-s got nerfed to have slower rate of fire, making the m4a4 have a higher damage output. the recoil was also nerfed to be worse than it was back in 2014 so it wasn't a laser anymore.
2019-03-14 19:44
#91
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
i just went back to the m4a1s because of the +15 bullets... feels amazing, it is like im flyin'
2019-03-14 22:22
idk, now with the a1 you can spray into smokes without being punished for the low ammo capacity, and that coupled with its non-existent tracers would make it pretty useful in a lot of situations.
2019-03-20 21:50
u would hit no one and run out of ammo even faster mr.the_trash_man_returns cause you cant control the recoil as it is now, how should you when it goes off even faster?
2019-03-14 07:44
I can aim shit cunt The m4a1s is a shit GUN, Giving a SHIT GUN more AMMO does not make it a GOOD GUN Its just a SHIT GUN with MORE AMMO. This is like giving the sawed off more ammo without changes to the actual gun, doesnt do anything
2019-03-14 11:56
#57
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Latvia Einarslv 
its not a shit gun, in some situations it has advantages ... well i am using m4 tough
2019-03-14 12:45
except the ammo is actually a talking point with the a1s. very subtle changes here and there for guns is always the best thing to do in such a stable shooter like csgo where much doesnt change over time (exept this new economy update lul). this isnt fortnite or whatever where shit just gets changed willy nilly
2019-03-14 22:09
#89
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
it feels soooooo great killing 3+ Ts on eco rounds without getting caught while reloading. the m4a1S is now viable, open ur eyes. its a really good gun, 1 head + 1 hit anywhere --> kill. plus spamming smokes is now an option... + pretty accurate and ez recoil
2019-03-14 22:18
#55
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Spain thebest5 
+1
2019-03-14 11:57
#59
allu | 
North America N1tsuA 
Actually a larger magezine is something that the community has been requesting for some time now. I don’t see a real issue with the way it is and I can see it coming back to an extent in the pro scene. Fire rate is still very slow however.
2019-03-14 15:58
yeah so m4a4 will never be used again
2019-03-14 21:28
#77
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World Tenshi_R 
valve just need to make a4 same 600 rof as a1 and make aug more expensive
2019-03-14 21:54
m4a4 killing faster, having more bullets, objectively better but chantico’s fire looks fucking fire hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2019-03-14 22:07
#83
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Macedonia hextick 
1.6 m4 best m4
2019-03-14 22:11
like no recoil on first few bullets, just burst on head, ez kill well not as easy as holding angle with scoped aug LULULULUL
2019-03-14 22:11
#85
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
n00va4 detected
2019-03-14 22:11
#86
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
I will spend those extra bullets wisely.
2019-03-14 22:13
If you up the RPM it is overpowered. There needs to be a catch to the silencer or it is too good. Seems pretty logical. If it had same RPM as M4 there would be no point whatsover in playing with a standard m4
2019-03-14 22:15
true, 20/60 with 630 maybe The problem is they update and keep it like that forever Next update should be an rpm update even 25/75 with 630 rpm I think it could feel much better but m4a4 would still have the numbers advantage, so it would be used as well
2019-03-14 22:16
20/40 rounds, 666 rpm and larger spray pattern like m4a4. Done, balanced
2019-03-14 22:25
#94
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Europe sn00b_d0gg 
lul i hope no one able to change it reads this, would be the worst valve move ever. i would start ragecheatig or something like this on my main acc
2019-03-14 22:45
The point with having two different M4 rifles is that they are different. If you make them just like each other it defeats the purpose
2019-03-15 12:24
That is different. 20/40 rounds, suppressor 30/60 Rounds, no suppressor
2019-03-18 00:02
Different in regard to mechanics.
2019-03-18 07:17
#128
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Canada Angryz1000 
Logic is not allowed in this thread. Just big letters.
2019-03-19 17:21
#93
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
when you play in low ranks, the silencer can actually be super useful, people dont really give much info when you flank and kill them so they often dont know where you are pros should use m4a4, but the plebs should choose which one they like more
2019-03-14 22:26
Yes a1 is so bad there were so many moments where i reacted first against a t hs'd him and then he hs's me becahse the a1 firerate is so slow
2019-03-15 10:23
#110
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Canada BrownSugar 
u the reason why valve devs post on reddit instead of here
2019-03-18 00:16
#113
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Finland lurkkeri 
What if we could use both A1 and A4 In the same match. I dont see any reason to have them In the same loadout slot.
2019-03-18 07:41
+1
2019-03-18 07:49
just click faster lmao
2019-03-18 09:32
+1
2019-03-19 17:19
Yeah, there are a lot of situations where I just see how bad it is 1v1, but sometimes it feels really good to spray people long range or shoot through smokes without having to worry much, especially now when you can waste some magazines. Imo a1 gameplay is just easier, but you definitely have bigger disadvantages.
2019-03-19 17:18
#127
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Canada Angryz1000 
YEAH MAKE ALL THE GUNS THE SAME
2019-03-19 17:20
#129
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United States oOMeowthOo 
Thing is, if you improve or revert the ROF changes, you are just putting two M4's to compete with each other on the same field in terms of DPS, killing capability. Sometimes you just gotta think outside of the box, you don't necessary need to balance weapons from the inside, you could totally balance the weapons from the outside. Weapons are not all about DPS, laser, ammo count.
2019-03-19 17:29
Jut add the scar l
2019-03-20 14:53
Yeah that update fucked up my m4a4 and aug price on the market
2019-03-20 15:03
i think both the m4's are in a good place now :()
2019-03-20 15:27
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