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Why I am center-left
Other TheVyrox 
youtube.com/user/MidweekPolitics/videos youtube.com/user/SecularTalk/videos youtube.com/user/MikeAnthonyTV/videos Incoming right-wingers buzzwords, because they have nothing else, despite being the self-proclaimed "rational" side.
2019-03-14 18:59
leans a way because 3 yt channels
2019-03-14 19:00
+1 Typical leftist brain works that way. Brainwasheable = Leftist
2019-03-14 19:01
#9
2019-03-14 19:22
#120
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Estonia swag420weed 
I am Racist nationalist but basically full socialist with Economic views. So what am I?
2019-03-14 22:18
A nationalsocialist?
2019-03-14 22:28
#129
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
an idiot
2019-03-15 05:31
Since channels like Steven Crowder, Paul Joseph Watson, Stefan Molyneux, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson have WAY (!!!!!) MORE subscribers than any of the channels I have listed (closest would probably TYT but I dont watch them out of principle), the chance of the average right-winger leaning his way because of youtube channels is a LOT higher, so fuck off if you think thats a good argument. And yes of course, I still evaluate the channels content but I think the 3 listed are a good general source.
2019-03-14 19:21
> the chance of the average right-winger leaning his way because of youtube channels is a LOT higher how did you make this conclusion? and even if so, why leaning a way because of the channels you listed in the header is somehow better than leaning a way because of the channels you listed in the comment?
2019-03-14 19:32
I should have only written #9 to mostimportantperson, not to prismaticlights. The reason why I wrote #9 was because I saw the terrible generalization that mostimportantperson made and I thought "Why not stoop down to his level", so I came up with my own obviously not logical argument. I know that my probability calculation is flawed, but if he is going to give me such a shitty idiotic generalized answer, I dont mind giving him a dumb answer, wondering if he will also catch onto the flaw. Now, I will probably never find out but I dont think he would have caught it.
2019-03-14 19:40
> "Incoming right-wingers buzzwords, because they have nothing else, despite being the self-proclaimed "rational" side." > " I saw the terrible generalization" You generalize, he generalizes. I don't justify him, but calm down before creating a thread next time if you are really looking for a calm discussion.
2019-03-14 20:04
Jordan Peterson is leftist and you should check out Way of the World
2019-03-14 19:57
rational =/= “buzzwords”
2019-03-14 19:01
The less buzzwords you use, the more credibility you (should) have in my eyes.
2019-03-14 19:46
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United States PsychoLogical 
Over YT channels? Pah. Hows this: Im a Moderate or even Center-Right because I take current problems and take them into consideration for solutions, and think about the issues and try to get around or solve them. Regardless if people view them as left or right leaning when Im both basically. Better reasoning than yours at least.
2019-03-14 19:04
Sure, I generally do the same. I thought it would be obvious that in the end the thinking still has to be done by me, so I didnt explicitly write it. But at least you were able and willing to go far above and beyond what the average right-winger is able to brainfart out on hltv. So thanks.
2019-03-14 19:14
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SPUNJ | 
Czech Republic Pee_Tea 
+1
2019-03-14 19:23
You base your political stance on youtube channels?
2019-03-14 19:12
Not necessarily but I think they are a decent help.
2019-03-14 19:14
#15
xseveN | 
Finland nfty 
Are you too dumb to think for yourself?
2019-03-14 19:23
#6
2019-03-14 19:32
#79
xseveN | 
Finland nfty 
What about that bait post?
2019-03-14 20:18
Which "bait" post exactly?
2019-03-14 20:53
#89
xseveN | 
Finland nfty 
#6 It has to be a bait post or you are actually a very simple minded person
2019-03-14 20:56
Elaborate.
2019-03-14 21:24
No but rlly u have to be baiting u cant be serious with that 1
2019-03-14 22:19
Elaborate.
2019-03-14 22:27
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United States Acehavok 
How are we supposed to learn what's even happening. We can't just magically see what events are happening without journalism of some kind.
2019-03-14 19:52
#82
xseveN | 
Finland nfty 
Political commentary channels aren't journalism, though.
2019-03-14 20:27
Would you rather read tabloid newspapers for political information?
2019-03-14 19:25
#26
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United States Acehavok 
Secular Talk is highly objective, and based on data. I trust him more than any other outlet.
2019-03-14 19:31
few random headlines: > Ocasio-Cortez Torches So Called 'Moderates' > Insanely Bigoted Anti-Ilhan Omar Poster Displayed In W Virginia Capitol > Pro-Trump Snowflakes Create Safe Space From 'MAGAphobia' wow such news so objective much data
2019-03-14 19:37
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United States Acehavok 
1st one, I haven't watched yet. 2nd one, they literally put up a poster of her with the twin towers being hit by the planes planes, in a GOVERNMENT BUILDING (She's Muslim, it's slander trying to discredit her, it's bigoted, and I rarely use the word bigoted because most of the time the connection is so weak.) 3rd one, Trump supporters are creating the equivalent of a "Green Book" for literal "safe spaces" for Trump supporters, as if they're somehow suppressed and getting beat up. (For reference the original Green Book was first published in 1936 for the use of blacks to know where they could stay and eat without being mistreated or in danger. Because back then they literally got the shit beat out of them just because they were born with dark skin. You actually have to watch his videos and not just read titles. Titles get people to click, genuine content gets people to stay.
2019-03-14 19:47
i didnt ask you to describe the videos, my point was that his content is far away from being "objective", because it's literally subjective. "Trump is the presedent of the United States" is an objective truth. "Trump is the greatest president ever" or "Trump is a racist bigot" is a subjective personal opinion. You can't call it "objective" only because you agree with it.
2019-03-14 20:02
Well, lets say that Trump were to openly embrace the idea that whites are superior to blacks solely because of their race. That would make him a racist. (I dont think he has ever publicly said anything racist which is why I have when the left constantly rides that train but whatever) If he were to similarly proclaim something bigot and stand by it or, like he loves to do, DOUBLE DOWN on it, that would make him a bigot. I am only pointing out that these things dont have to be subjective. If he were to say these kinds of things that would make him fit the definition of the terms we use for such people. And since he fits the definition of that thing, that would make him that thing (racist, bigot, etc.). Point is, that quote isnt necessarily subjective.
2019-03-14 20:06
I understand what you mean but I don't agree, and I cannot think of a situation in which implementing words like "snowflake" or "bigot" could be objective, because these are based on personal perception, even if you can explain why he uses them.
2019-03-14 20:16
Well, I would certainly differentiate between a word like "snowflake" which has a heavy connotation and is usually used by a certain type of person and the word "bigot" which simply is a word that is relatively clearly defined word. Its not as clearly defined as "racist" though, admittedly. I believe that the principle of Identity of indiscernibles is true and as such, if Trump were to fit the definitions of those words, he IS "those words".
2019-03-14 20:48
read more what objectivity is
2019-03-15 05:24
stop believing in politic sides, its all about how good you sell an idea, and which part of society the politician will benefit the most, and thats it people that fight for sides are just ignorant. every aspect of politics need to be studied for years to someone understand, those politics dont know shit, or just know one or 2 aspects, and they act all smart ass, dont buy their shit!!
2019-03-14 19:14
But the people I have mentioned do have degrees in politics and have studied those things since like 10 years at LEAST. And try finding a right-winger that isnt actually establishment. Trump certainly counts as establishment to me because he belongs to the ultra-rich just like anyone else from the establishment and loves deregulating the big corporations and giving tax breaks and shit like that to the rich and ultra-rich. He is just as terrible as any other politician. Bernie or Andrew Yang however arent. Try finding someone like that on the right-side. Someone like Sanders who DEMONSTRABLY does what he says unlike any other politician out there.
2019-03-14 19:27
this doesnt mean anything, you can find studied people from any side, all the same bullshit I`m saying cuz I studied a lot of BR politics and the figures around here, all the same bullshit I can pick a side that I think is better, but what I learned after years or choosing sides is that people just go for their interests and thats it so probably just go for the side who will help your category in society the most and ggwp remember, they are selling ideas to you, do research to see what mothafuckas say and what they do when they are up there.
2019-03-14 19:41
I dont think you can compare the politics (specifically the level of corruption) in BR with that in the US or in western countries. I can definitely see why the majority of politicians in your country are completely useless shills. And Sanders record is extremely good in terms of credibility. He has always done what he has said unlike someone like Hillary "Fucking bitch" Clinton.
2019-03-14 19:44
but theres a pattern if you pay attention those guys are almost all the same in terms of building up their personas and get an actual political job sometimes the guy is just someone who studys and give opinion (ez job in the world, you talk shit and no one can talk back cuz you are based on theorys but your not acting in anything, but giving opinion about other ppls actions) sometimes he start talking but then he become politician, so if you are already baited by him, you`ll probably defend him and become a blind political guy (you already assumed one side is better, and is idolatrying a person) sometimes the guy is just a piece of shit when get a political spot, but this just enforces the other 2 options. *extra option, the guy is really innocent and honest, this guy will stay honest but woudnt do shit, cuz the system will slay him
2019-03-14 19:47
But Sanders is the extra option. And he doesnt have to worry about the system anymore. 1. He wont not get employed as a lobbyist "after his political career" because he has survived as a politician for so long and is never going to be a lobbyist. 2. He wont run out of money because he has earned decent/good money for the last 40 years and has a good enough net worth to probably last another 30 years. 3. He isnt scared of being assassinated, because again, its a very different country and he is pretty badass. So your extra option has a name and that is Bernie Sanders.
2019-03-14 19:52
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United States gtmaniacmda 
Didn't Sanders let the DNC walk all over him in 2016... and now he's running with them again? Wow, really makes you think... oh well, maybe if you donate enough, he'll be able to buy a fourth house by 2020!
2019-03-14 20:17
If I am not wrong, the DNC has been made less powerful and people know that shit now, so they will be watching the DNC with eagle eyes if they will try to sabotage him again. And running as an independent would have supposedly been a terrible decision for him so he only really had the option of running as a Dem. And yes, a lot of people including me think that Sanders should be more confrontative about things like these.
2019-03-14 20:51
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United States Acehavok 
I'm a simple man, I see Secular Talk, I comment.
2019-03-14 19:22
If you claim SecularTalk is "Center-Left", you don't know what centrism means.
2019-03-14 19:23
He is probably more left than center, but he is still a decent channel.
2019-03-14 19:30
who the actual fuck cares about politics on a counter-strike forum????
2019-03-14 19:24
same shit that causes euthanasia autism
2019-03-14 19:30
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Israel BingoBango 
nt libtard, reported 😎
2019-03-14 19:26
Youre wrong, what u gonna do about it? 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
2019-03-14 19:30
#30
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Israel BingoBango 
libtard logic
2019-03-14 19:34
Trumplet logic 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
2019-03-14 19:40
#38
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Israel BingoBango 
tried to smuggle into the US to sell kebabs bro?
2019-03-14 19:43
#50
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Israel BingoBango 
miss me with that gay shit
2019-03-14 19:49
get rekt ezezez xddddd 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
2019-03-14 19:55
Center left, perfect for browsing reddit.
2019-03-14 19:30
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Estonia Henrioad 
looool ur right reddit is so full of libtards and thats why i have - karma heheheh
2019-03-14 21:09
#25
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Denmark flapdur 
I think most people vote based on one of two criteria: 1. Which candidate/political party will benefit me the most or hurt me the least? 2. Which candidate/political party is closest to my opinion on key issues? A lot of issues are not specifically "left" or "right". there are right wingers, who are concerned about classic leftist issues, like environment and human/civil rights. And there are left wingers, who are concerned about immigration or are very religious. A politician like german Angela Merkel is a right wing politician, but she also cares about some leftist issues and has been soft on immigration. So she is loved/hated by people on both sides. In Denmark we had 2 party leaders going head to head in a debate last week. They are both anti-immigration (bordering on racist), but they were right and left respectively on many other issues. I´m glad to be able to choose between 10 political parties, so I can hopefully find someone to agree with and can vote for. Must be hard to be moderately right wing in a country like USA, and be forced to choose between either a shitbag person or a party with different values
2019-03-14 19:35
I think you massively overestimate the quality of the criteria that US-voters apply in evaluating who they should vote for.
2019-03-14 19:41
merkel isn't loved by people on both sides lol
2019-03-14 19:47
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United Kingdom paullll 
no use talking politics here, its a website of hundreds of thousands of bootlicking neckbeards
2019-03-14 19:32
+1
2019-03-14 19:48
Cuz u brainwash yourself with leftist youtube channels. 👍👍👍 n1.
2019-03-14 19:36
Look at even just one video and find a few flaws. I wont mind trying to discuss them with you.
2019-03-14 19:42
#43
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Finland no_man 
politics is just a facade for sheeps
2019-03-14 19:46
The last bit is just provocative. I watch plenty of news and read a lot but I’m generally called right leaning. In the end, who cares what your political stance is? If you can back up an argument I respect that and I care more about who u are as a person not the politics behind it
2019-03-14 19:48
Yes, it is provocative but its unfortunately the only way to reduce the number of "lol leftist cuck", "ahaha libfag" "triggered LUL"-type comments. If these gorillas didnt behave that way, I wouldnt have to write that shit. I want my threads to be less typical hltv straight-up apes-throwing-feces and so I take precautions. I do what little can be done to have the thread be 95% toxic instead of 100%.
2019-03-14 19:58
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Czech Republic Rehama 
radical centrism best
2019-03-14 19:49
Radical moderates at it again.
2019-03-14 19:59
there is no centre-left. you're either for egalitarianism, or you believe inequality is justified.
2019-03-14 19:49
That comment seems very flawed. In fact it seems ridiculous enough for me to invoke Poes Law.
2019-03-14 20:00
in fact you don't know what the fuck youre talking about, let's be honest here
2019-03-14 20:01
You are literally reducing the entire political spectrum to exactly one issue. Its absurd.
2019-03-14 20:03
im operating under the assumption words have definitions, now if you want to use the term leftism to talk about cupcakes that's your thing
2019-03-14 20:07
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre-left_politi.. Well, lets put it this way: Equality of opportunity sounds reasonable.
2019-03-14 20:10
except you can't have equality of oppurtunity in a system that inherently produces inequality. from the same article: "Those on the centre-left believe in working within the established systems to improve social justice.[1]" ; in other words we kinda like equality but not rly, useless term
2019-03-14 20:14
I am not sure at all why that quote is in there. I dont agree with it and I dont think that other people who would call themselves generally center-left are against changing the "established systems" at all, if it is in good faith and with reasonable goals and intentions.
2019-03-14 20:15
the list of general goals you posted all describe redistributive mechanisms within capitalism. within. capitalism. -"A system of social security, with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty..."; in other words, we don't want to abolish poverty, we want to "counteract it's effects", lmfao
2019-03-14 20:34
Sure, just like the nordic/western countries are doing it. One example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_econ.. Has been working splendid.
2019-03-14 20:54
do you realise how many poor people are there in germany france sweden etc? do you realise how many cheap imported immigrant labour it took to fuel their industry, in a profitable kind of way? if shit is working wonderfully for all, how come there are yellow vests nearly taking over france, or fascists rising everywhere from germany to nordic states? let's say it's working splendid ok, the only problem now is that no capitalist state exists in a vacuum. large profit rates that enable large social concessions, are a direct result of international oligopolies - how many volkswagens can there be on the planet? how many large arms exporters (sweden being the 10th largest)? shit may be working for germany as a state, but it can't work for other parts of the world at the same time. it doesn't work, and when it does, it only does for a small tiny miniscule portion of the world's population.
2019-03-14 21:11
This is the line where me making claims about further economic issues would be bordering the dishonesty because I am not an expert. As to why people are starting to elect fascists, is because the fascists are milking the immigration issue to no end and people are eating it up like its the last food on earth. Also, I think people are generally misinformed and easily baited by populists and demagogues. Anyway, I cant tell you more specifics and details about those economic things. Just in general, I hate the concept of flat tax and I hate it when corporations get to do shit unregulatedly. Thats my general stance on the absolute most basic economic issues.
2019-03-14 21:30
maybe my post is unneccessairly long, all im trying to say is that you cant be a leftist and support a system of inequality. progessive taxation is good and a step in the right direction... but just because tolstoy gave a lot of food to his farmers doesn't mean feudalism was a leftist thing.
2019-03-14 21:57
world flaggers going at each other das amazin
2019-03-14 21:58
Oh yeah, that reminds me, I should have mentioned Jesse Lee Peterson in my list of braindead and way too popular right-wing channels.
2019-03-14 22:01
where's that list
2019-03-14 22:02
Basically the first part of #9
2019-03-14 22:04
why do you hate the great black hope?
2019-03-14 22:10
Exactly
2019-03-14 22:10
you're not gonna answer that?
2019-03-14 22:10
I dont hate Obama, how could you think that?
2019-03-14 22:11
Nah, I'm talking about The Great Black Hope, Jesse Lee Peterson.
2019-03-14 22:12
I know.
2019-03-14 22:12
Amazin
2019-03-14 22:13
if it was you i'd spare the words
2019-03-14 23:14
Part of being left for me is supporting the original concept of feminism (equality of opportunity for women) and supporting gays and their right to marry. Transgenderism however, is a whole different story to me, which is another example why I dont call myself left but center-left.
2019-03-14 22:03
ofc that comes with euqality but transgenderism is just an affirmation of social stereotypes. people think what defines your gender isn't your reproductive organ but some idiotic shit like what acitivities you like etc. so leftists should actually fight against that.
2019-03-14 23:17
do you actually call yourself a leftist?
2019-03-14 23:28
communist yes
2019-03-15 00:43
#51
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Finland Emvi 
You didn't explain why though.. Why do you call yourself a center-leftist and what does that mean to you?
2019-03-14 19:50
#63
2019-03-14 20:02
fucking liberals
2019-03-14 19:51
right, left doesn't matter which way you lean. people who care enough to label themselves left or right are retarded.
2019-03-14 19:53
Well, sociopolitically I tend to lean towards the stances that are generally called left. Its just a tendency, it doesnt mean that I strictly label myself left and then ONLY think and act like a leftist. However since I am not so much a fan of immigration and I am not sure how much of a "socialist" I am (I like the idea of a competitive market) I call myself center-left.
2019-03-14 20:02
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
You are loosing your time in this forum but I appreciate to know that people like you exists. World is doomed and I really expect a new world war, my last hope was nuclear weapons from Iran and North Korea, but seens they are too pussy to sent it to 1world like India.
2019-03-14 20:06
#70
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Denmark foolish_panda 
Hey TheVyrox What do you think about that most ppl dont really think about the problem that they are facing or how to solve them. They see politics more like sports. They are "fans" for a political parties and will stick with their "team" no matter what, it's all about crushing the opposition. And as long as ppl look at politics that way we are never gonna make any real changes.
2019-03-14 20:07
That is exactly right. And on top of that, in the US people seem to think that whoever has the best comeback or can diss better, whoever fits best into a "Thug life" compilation, is the better political candidate. Its LITERALLY high-school all over again. The US is so superficial and entertainment-obsessed even when it comes to seriously important issues.
2019-03-14 20:12
#80
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Denmark foolish_panda 
Yeah I agree it's all about crushing "Libtards". Ppl like ben shapiro never gives any real solutions, it's all about finde some obscure study that will make you look stupid and then we are done with that conversation.
2019-03-14 20:21
#71
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North America niftynick 
>choosing sides in politics you fell for the meme. all major politicians are the same and share the same goals
2019-03-14 20:07
Show me how thats the case with Sanders. Good luck.
2019-03-14 20:13
#81
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Germany shimmy227 
there is more than critisizing buzzwords and such from their political enemy. for example in an ethical way, by using human rights and natural law as basis. the left, "progressive" side wants more state regulatons (anti-free market), more taxation (=theft), limiting of other freedoms (free-speech, banning diesel cars, etc.), abolish bodily integrity (forced vaccinations) and demanding socilisation of big companies (infringement of property rights= theft).
2019-03-14 20:24
- State regulations? Sure, or do you want another 2008 or another Flint water crisis? Regulate the shit out of those fucking huge ass corporations. - Taxation? Sure. Just like I expect young males to carry heavy things rather than have an old lady doing it, I expect rich people to do their part in society by paying more to make shit work and function. - Free-speech... should ultimately not be limited. As much as there are moments where I am twitching it should ultimately stay allowed. - Should something be done about climate change? Yes, the fuck there SHOULD. - Should Vaccinations be forced? I wouldnt mind. Just like Seatbelts. Its safer for the society and fuck those fucking retards that are so "but muh fredom". Go to fucking somalia in the desert and rot and go do some fucking yoga while eating home-grown avocados if you want your freedom. I prefer to live in a healthy and immunized society. - Not sure about the socialization of big companies. That may indeed be a little bit too far.
2019-03-14 21:41
#86
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Other bergkvisten 
I hate saying "I'm right-wing" or whatever, cuz I wouldn't really agree as a Swedish right-wing with an American right-wing
2019-03-14 20:52
Am I supposed to watch every single video on those channels or did you just create this thread to bait people?
2019-03-14 21:00
More like exposure. People seem to constantly be sucking the dicks of the standard right-wing channels and the mentioned channels deserve a lot more viewers and credit. Also, I was interested in what some of the smarter hltv-users would have to say, even if they are right-wing.
2019-03-14 21:33
I watch Secular talk regularly too. Nice to see a fellow subscriber. Edit: However I don't watch mike much anymore, because I find him to emotional and try to be funny at times I feel he is not. And I don't watch packman much anymore because he too many times spew establishment propaganda, as in believing in the RussiaGate, and throwing Tulsi Gabbard under the bus.
2019-03-14 21:08
because you are stupid?
2019-03-14 21:03
I am on team people. I dont understand why should one think that everything is so polarized. There are other ways to think than left vs right. I would like to see people collaborate and actually think how we as human race can evolve and how to take care of this planet. Too tired of oldschool politics where they only bash "the other side" to get votes.
2019-03-14 21:07
#94
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Other bergkvisten 
+111
2019-03-14 21:08
#97
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Brazil setervq 
you get your information on yt channels? stop being lazy and do your own research lol
2019-03-14 21:18
Yeah, let me just fly over to the US and do huge studies and shit. -.-
2019-03-14 21:31
great b8 m8
2019-03-14 21:27
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Estonia MC_Ride 
congratulations
2019-03-14 21:30
#105
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World ///fuck 
The right uses feelings over facts Three arrows and Shaun are also good yt channels, not 100% political though.
2019-03-14 21:58
seculartalk is amazing, been watching him for a couple of years.
2019-03-14 22:15
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