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Fnatic 2019 (so far)
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Sweden Lagge15 
I've been a Fnatic fan since I started to watch CS:GO. During the late spring of last year until the player break in december I planned my work hours so I could watch as much as possible of their matches. But ever since after the player break their matches have just made me anxious and I really don't enjoy their game play at all. Here are the results so far in 2019: Cloud9 Overpass iBUYPOWER 9-16 This is just abysmal result as Overpass used to be a strong map for Fnatic and at best a decent map for C9. This was also the first time we saw Flusha as IGL and Zellsis as lurker. Only one player had >1 KD CompLexity Train iBUYPOWER 16-14 A win is always nice but come on? 16-14 on your strong map against a weak CoL who had standins? Cloud9 Mirage IBUYPOWER 16-14 This is a map both teams are good at so not as bad as losing on Overpass, but still a close game against a new roster with new IGL and a "standin"! Liquid BO3 iBUYPOWER 1-2 Look at the map picks. They take away Train instead of dust2 as decider? Cache 6-16 not surprising since Fnatic chose to ban Nuke instead of cache first. Probably a good choice but still not a good enough result for a team that has been practicing together for 4 months. On T-side they won Pistol round, 2nd round and one more. Liquid is good but come on? It is a new roster so try to hurt them at least. Mirage 19-17 This is about as expected as it could be. It is definitivt not bad but I wouldn't say it is good either. Both team were better as T's than CT's and that is a big issue since the map has choke points. If you struggle as CT just choke the map, shrink it, either for you or your oponents. I could probably write an essay on all the weird strats and positioning in their CT-SIDE But to be fair; Liquid is one of the beast teams in the world and, except for Twistzz, none of their players seem to be having a slump any time soon. Dust2 9-16 Not really bad. Actually better than I thought. This might be one of their best team plays so far. The problem is/was; Liquid is so much better and more used to play on this map. All players had decent result but sadly the stats will show how big difference it is between Liquid and Fnatic. Still can't understand why they chose Dust2 instead of Train. ViCi Overpass IEM Katowice 9-16 Are you kidding me? This just provet that this team (as a team not individual players) don't got the mentality of being a top team. They banned Inferno and Train to get this map and still only picked up 9 lousy rounds (6 on T and 3 on CT)! Winstrike Train IEM Katowice 11-16 Again; ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Winstrike did a great map pick. But what are they doing? Against winstrike cache or dust2 would be easier than Train. Only two (expensive) rounds on T-side. Grayhound BO3 IEM Katowice 2-0 Nothing special since Grayhound went 0-3. Inferno 16-9 13-2 first half which is great. But 3-7 on CT side should bring up a lot of questions and red flags. Overpass 16-11 Finally a solid performance. Plus on both sides (9-6 & 7-5) but Grayhound wasn't good. G2 BO3 IEM Katowice 1-2 Close game but not good by any of the teams. It was more like the less bad team won than the best team won. Mirage 16-8 A solid T-side with 11-4 but a horrible CT-side which they lost first 4 rounds and luckily reset G2 to get 5 round streak to close down the map. Dust2 8-16 This is just what happens sometimes in BO3. The oponent pick a map they're strong on and you're weak on. But 2-7 on CT side show that they can't rotate and don't really have an idea of how to play basics of the game. Where is the idea for the team? How do they practice for situations? Overpass 5-16 They selected this map instead of Train (perhaps scared after Winstrike debacle?). It is understandable since Overpass is supposed to be one of their two best maps. But clearly they can't win on it. 4 rounds as T and one buy round as CT (which should have reset G2 but didn't. On t-side they won Pistol but lost the round after, which should be nearly impossible on a map line Overpass. Windigo WESG BO2 1-1 They finally got two maps they should be good and well practiced on.
2019-03-16 20:10
#1
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Sweden Lagge15 
Accidently sent it before it was done and can't delete or Edit! Thanks HLTV
2019-03-16 20:11
Lol and cant delete too
2019-03-16 20:12
what was your point?
2019-03-16 20:15
I noticed a lot of complaints concerning maps. This is typical with any Xizt led team. The dude can not veto. He’s cursed or retrted
2019-03-17 18:21
shitnatic
2019-03-16 20:13
#5
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India stiwa5k 
I know right, they are so bad right now. They still think this 5 can work? Jw needs to show up. Xizt needs to go no doubt. Rest of the lineup has potential. But swedish cs is in such slump rn :(
2019-03-16 20:16
KRIMZ should have left and tried to replace Dennis at NiP.
2019-03-16 20:36
#48
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India stiwa5k 
Nip arent so good either, but only swedish hope tbh
2019-03-17 09:28
NiP are 10 times better than Fnatic.
2019-03-17 16:03
#52
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Sweden Lagge15 
At least.
2019-03-17 18:13
I also really enjoy watching NiP they seldom are part of a boring game and f0rest always seems to do something cool, or someone will make some great play, for instance when f0rest won that clutch in Nuke vs Astralis.
2019-03-17 18:26
#56
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Sweden Lagge15 
That was 6 months ago, but I agree. NiP play well as a team and constantly improve their game play. Not like Fnatic who in one month went from 1-2 (29-40) to 0-2 (16-32) against G2. G2 actually improved more with a lineup they won't keep than Fnatic did with a Lineup they are supposed to build an Era around.
2019-03-17 18:41
If you take every event from IEM Kato last year till now their average placing is 6-7th.
2019-03-17 21:37
I get your frustration. I have been a fan of the Astralis core since xyp, dupreeh and device started playing together. I always knew they had the material and potentiel to be world beaters, but they ALWAYS had mental problems and lacking confidence. Yeah they have always been good and around top5, but never able to consistently win the big events. Now its very ez and almost boring to be their fan :D
2019-03-16 20:15
#30
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Sweden Lagge15 
Can we continue this discussion in the full thread hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:04
#7
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Poland Sad_Boy 
No Olofmeister No Major No Dennis No IGL No Flusha No VacMan.
2019-03-16 20:16
no pronax no major
2019-03-16 20:19
#12
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Poland Sad_Boy 
literally ez 3 majors for Fnatic.
2019-03-16 20:19
#8
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Croatia TricKED 
continue it in comments bro
2019-03-16 20:18
-JW +swedish support player
2019-03-16 20:18
#10
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Greece anwteros 
the funny thing is sweden has so many young players to sign to fnatic and they stack with JW XIZT KRIMZ like forever , omegalol
2019-03-16 20:18
#16
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Poland Sad_Boy 
Only Xizt is a problem of these 3 players.
2019-03-16 20:23
#18
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Greece anwteros 
no xizt is not only the 1 problem , KRIMZ things he is the next big thing again , tilts in the midle of the round / no communication / shit desicions , JW things he is living in 2015 when the sniper play the role of roam in the map and changing potisions every 10 seconds to catch someone offguard , XIZT things brollan and twist must know every shit desicion he make ingame for them instead put them in not crucial potision and plays to pick some frags in board and feel confidence. FNATIC need big changes from core .
2019-03-16 20:30
krimz is one of the smartest players wouldnt call his decision making shit
2019-03-16 20:40
agree with xizt and jw but krimz is a beast
2019-03-16 20:46
#32
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Sweden Lagge15 
Please continue in this thread instead hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:05
They only won against: Russia, a mix team Optic, who isn't even in the top30
2019-03-16 20:21
#14
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Macedonia ydjoon 
so youre just gonna ignore the fact that they just got 16-0'd on inferno by Ago esports on WESG? omegalul
2019-03-16 20:21
#1 alexander
2019-03-16 20:37
#33
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Sweden Lagge15 
See this full thread instead hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:05
#15
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Croatia mds818 
1) TLDR 2) You were obviously nowhere near cs when fnatic was on their prime
2019-03-16 20:22
#34
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Sweden Lagge15 
Nope. I jumper on the CS Train too late. But if you wanna talk more go to the full thread here hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:06
#40
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Croatia mds818 
dude, if we exclude last year's katowice win, wesg and pgl(which were minor tournaments af) and some somewhat "deeper" runs fnatic has been shit since mid 2016
2019-03-16 21:14
fnatic have always been known for picking tier2/3 players and turn them into top teams. I dont understand why they picked a washed up player like xizt and signed 3 years contract with jw and krimz. Some players had a problem with Golden ? Cool. Let them go. You finally had an IGL that knew what he was doing and led them to top places again and you just cut him... They need to find a young talented AWPer and an IGL and base their team around krimz / brollan / jw (rifles & for the experience, not for his skills..).
2019-03-16 20:25
I hate how much people twist reality . Golden was probably important and attributed to the IEM katowice however the main factors were easily flusha and krimz. While Krimz remained very good for the rest of the year although not as godlike as the first few months, flusha became a worse player than smithzz in the following months . JW was always on and off so pretty unreliable. And you also had golden who was one of the worst fragging igls ,an actual bot. They had only 1 really good player and 1 good although kind of inconsistent player in Lekro. So this left them with 2 or 3 bots depending on the day and one star. It was never going to work
2019-03-16 20:39
KRIMZ for the last 18 months has actually had a 1.10-1.15 rating, and thata very good rating, not amazing, but very good, hes a star player, the rest are just shit.
2019-03-16 20:48
I know , even after dropping off he was an insane player its just a little sad cuz i felt like he was the best player in the world for the first 2-3 months
2019-03-16 21:57
And it doesnt cross your mind that maybe the system they were playing in was putting them in situations to shine ? Look at Zeus, garbage player but huge charisma and leadership. Won a major with fucking Gambit. Average team before Zeus, garbage team after he left. You dont know how CS works in teams just like faceit kids that are all over the place.
2019-03-17 13:03
#35
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Sweden Lagge15 
If you wanna continue this discussion please have it in the full thread hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:06
-xizt
2019-03-16 20:34
#20
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Philippines s3xccurate_ 
They gotta make it work. Another roster change will make matters worst.
2019-03-16 20:34
+flusha +Olof + Golden -twist -brollan -xizt #ezfix
2019-03-16 20:34
not gonna make fun of the situation, I like the org myself and want to see them succeed again, imo they need to go inter and pick up sunny/oskar for jw/xizt, this would be the absolute best solution but the minimum is to kick xizt and get whoever they want
2019-03-16 20:44
#37
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Sweden Lagge15 
I would love to have this discussion in the full thread hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:07
#29
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Sweden Nuggeet 
Maybe if they learned to use nades things would go a little bit better, theyre raw-peeking too much.
2019-03-16 20:58
I dont think Xizt understands nades, JW isnt human hes a pig so what do you expect from him, KRIMZ is KRIMZ and just ends up having to try and put the pieces back together and the other two are just the other two, i forget which one is which.
2019-03-16 21:07
#38
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Sweden Lagge15 
I agree. Can we talk more about it in the full thread? hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2.. I hope to get this half thread deleted
2019-03-16 21:07
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Denmark w3H4W7 
idk if its a bad form or they just cant find themselves ;(
2019-03-16 21:19
#42
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Sweden Lagge15 
Can we take this in the full thread instead? I wish to get this one deleted hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 21:20
who the fuck has the time to write this
2019-03-16 21:59
#45
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Sweden Lagge15 
this isn't even the full version, I got the full (still shortened) here hltv.org/forums/threads/2008337/fnatic-2..
2019-03-16 22:05
holy shit how long did this take u
2019-03-16 22:14
#47
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Sweden Lagge15 
I don't know, I wrote it at work when I didn't have anything to do, so from first letter to last it was about 5 hours, maybe more, but in total time to write it I guess it was 25-35 minutes.
2019-03-16 22:23
#51
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Romania moetxxx 
Keep trio krimz-twist-brollan Add one igl move brollan to entry move twist to awp Add hampus And add one support mb move xizt to support and dont let him veto or do opinions
2019-03-17 16:05
#53
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Sweden Lagge15 
JW had 21 kills on map 1 today so he can stay. The problem today was that they don'double peak. They don't support eachother with trades. Where are the flashes before the peak? Where is the cross fires? One guy was standins in porch having a fight with one player in boiler and one on top of mid but got killed from balcony. This happened when Brollan was in Broken wall and Krimz in Library. If that happened to me I would be so fucking furious with my teammates. Antoger time Twist pushed banana with the bomb... When the rest of the team played default. So much is wrong with their way of playing that simple roster changes won't help
2019-03-17 18:17
#58
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Denmark Xipingu 
Twist is fucking trash, god. So is Xizt.
2019-03-17 21:38
Time to see how bad Fnatic really are, if they get ripped apart by a newly formed Mouz then its really bad.
2019-03-18 20:37
#74
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Sweden Lagge15 
I am not surprised. It could have been easy for Mousesport or "close call". just waiting for the disband
2019-03-18 23:36
They shouldnt have given JW that 3 year contract. When Karrigan was looking for a team they should have kicked JW, Xizt and Twist and kept Brollan and Krimz, jumped at karrigan like an out of work hooker and made an international lineup.
2019-03-18 23:37
#81
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Sweden Lagge15 
JW have been top fragging the last 3 matches. He seems to have woken up.
2019-03-18 23:42
Last 12 months hes rated 1.0. last 6 months 0.98 and last 3 hes 0.96, hes getting worse.
2019-03-18 23:43
#84
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Sweden Lagge15 
Nah, I think his slump has ended. But does it really matter what rating any of them have? As a team they keep getting worse. Last fall they blamed it on new team and online being too hard. After first LAN they got good result and people stopped complaining. The 2nd LAN they won and all the poor online results were forgiven. Ever since then they have had 1 or 2 good games online and LAN included... that was 4-5 months ago! How long can they keep doing this without an official story to us, the fans?
2019-03-18 23:45
But im saying it shows a trend, downwards. The reason they had success early 2018 was simple, KRIMZ was playing like a god and Flusha was going off in big games, Lekr0 was decent aswell and JW wasnt in a slump but hes wasnt amazing.
2019-03-18 23:47
#87
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Sweden Lagge15 
yeah, but if you take 2 weeks it is worse than if you do one week.
2019-03-18 23:48
#88
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Sweden Lagge15 
2018 they won because of their team play and the callouts from Golden. Same reason as why C9 did better after the summer than after the winter.
2019-03-18 23:49
Im mainly thinking about IEM Kato. Flusha had an average rating of 1.39, thats s1mple level, KRIMZ was at 1.33 that again s1mple level stats, now you could say it was connected to Goldens calling but i dont think it was.
2019-03-18 23:53
#92
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Sweden Lagge15 
I am fairly certain it was. They felt good and they had confidence in the team play and still were allowed to perform outside of the structure. That freedom make it easier to play well.
2019-03-18 23:55
I dont really know what Golden is even doing right now but i think overall that Lineup was much better. But if you remember even under golden Flusha started to tank, JW started to slump and Lekr0 wasnt all that either, Xizt came in that was just strang, KRIMZ was basically just KRIMZ the entire time through.
2019-03-18 23:59
#94
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Sweden Lagge15 
Flusha didn't enjoy himself and that created a lot of problems for the rest of the team.
2019-03-19 00:00
I guess that linked to the fact he wants to be challenging for Majors and he wants to be one of the best in the world again and he just isnt. Everyone in that 2015 Fnatic lineup is just a ghost of themselves now, Olof is washed up, JW is just meh, Flusha isnt even in a team right now, Pronax is in no mans land and KRIMZ is just in a shit position. In 2023 ill be having this discussion with a dane over Astralis.
2019-03-19 00:06
I too have been a longtime fnatic fan. They need to toss xizt. His vetos are absolute garbage and the only thing good abot him is that occasionally he has a game where he frags out, he has these games more often than other IGLs but still he is a horrible IGL. Imk they need to bring golden back. He is a good IGL and has had alot more experience. Also i would love to see Lekr0 brought back in replacing either twist or JW -Xizt -Jw/Twist +Golden +Lekr0
2019-03-18 20:54
Im guessing youre going to watch them vs the Mouz, if they lose this vs a newly formed team you know they are bad. The Veto is shit as usual.
2019-03-18 21:03
Watching now. The veto could have been alot better but thye are the first team ever to play against them. But still they cant neep this line up
2019-03-18 21:18
The veto couldnt have been worse, 2 maps made for fraggers, and one where CT awping is easy.
2019-03-18 21:19
True. If you had to replace up to 2 fnatic players who would it be and why
2019-03-18 21:22
Xizt, hes a terrible IGL and not needed, JW, hes just dead weight and doesnt do enough, i dont know why they could get, i think they need to make an international lineup. I wonder if you could bring Pronax back and see how he does, he might be past it mechanically but he was a great IGL.
2019-03-18 21:25
Yeah but they have been pure swedish since they began CSGO. What do you think about Golden Lekr0 Krimz Brollan Twist
2019-03-18 21:25
I doubt lekro would leave NiP as hes IGL and is doing well and they seem to play well, Golden is a possibility but i dont rate him at all, i think hes to bad fragging wise, this isnt like NaVi where you can have a zeus since you have s1mple to frag for 2 players, you need everyone to frag decently and golden just doesnt. I think they should try Pronax and someone else maybe, i dont know where pronax went, he just vanished off the face of the earth after being in one of the best teams ever and being the best IGL in the world. I know with Golden they won IEM Kato but lets be honest, that was Flusha going off and KRIMZ playing like a god early in the year.
2019-03-18 21:32
Wow just..... Just wow, how do you lose that round. If Woxic would stop whiffing the game would be done.
2019-03-18 21:45
#77
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Sweden Lagge15 
Mousesport started by banning Mirage. After that we knew they would lose
2019-03-18 23:38
#64
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Brazil HsTn_ 
l
2019-03-18 21:16
#75
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah but won't happen
2019-03-18 23:36
#62
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Brazil HsTn_ 
i
2019-03-18 21:16
#63
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Brazil HsTn_ 
l
2019-03-18 21:17
Did you forget they lost 0-16 to AGO on inferno?
2019-03-18 21:35
#78
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Sweden Lagge15 
2019-03-18 23:40
#73
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Brazil Tkkchrist 
I've been a Fnatic fan before f0rest betrayed fnatic going to SK. end topic.
2019-03-18 21:40
Signed up 2009-01-28 damn
2019-03-18 23:47
#101
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Brazil Tkkchrist 
yeeep, first contact with cs in 2003, I was 10. but i stopped playing/watching in 2011 and returned in 2016, after LG won the first major. Long time in this game.
2019-03-19 13:29
#89
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Sweden Lagge15 
So; how long would you say the agony will last?
2019-03-18 23:50
#103
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Brazil Tkkchrist 
they got a new line up recently, for real, its not easy to get outstanding results, teamwork is what is making difference these days. I would back with flusha because he has insane firepower and knowledge of the game. JW needs too play amazing constantly. Time is needed to see if Jumpy will do a great work.
2019-03-19 13:42
#79
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Brazil davidzor 
IMO they should never kick Golden. That team under his calls was decent. Not counting the finals against FaZe on IEM that Flusha was going ham, every other series they won in a decent manner. WESG they won it easily.
2019-03-18 23:41
#80
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Sweden Lagge15 
That goes without saying :)
2019-03-18 23:41
they never won against tier 1 teams though
2019-03-18 23:52
#96
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Brazil davidzor 
Your take on the conception of what is a tier 1 team doesn't take part on this matter.
2019-03-19 02:14
#97
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Sweden Lagge15 
His take on the Word Never is also a weird concept. He is a troll and I just ignore him from now on
2019-03-19 02:34
lmao just because I say the truth about the team I used to like I am not a troll
2019-03-19 06:33
yeah if you desperately want to make golden look good it doesnt :)
2019-03-19 06:32
#102
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Sweden Nuggeet 
They won against Faze and Liquido
2019-03-19 13:39
yeah but only in iem katowice 2018 where flusha went godmode and golden was basically kicked for the team
2019-03-19 14:12
#105
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Sweden Nuggeet 
But they also came 1st in Both online leagues
2019-03-19 14:28
...online
2019-03-19 14:36
#109
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Sweden Nuggeet 
Still
2019-03-19 15:02
#113
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Sweden Lagge15 
Don't feed
2019-03-19 15:28
#114
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Sweden Nuggeet 
Yu
2019-03-19 15:51
Frozen actually suprised me how good that kid is
2019-03-18 23:43
You will realize fnatic become bad and more bad
2019-03-19 02:37
#106
HUNDEN | 
Finland C0ndee 
Replying because mr hltv make me inactive status)) thanked men
2019-03-19 14:29
#110
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Sweden Lagge15 
What?
2019-03-19 15:18
#115
HUNDEN | 
Finland C0ndee 
no stopink men)
2019-03-19 17:10
TLDR?
2019-03-19 14:59
#111
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Sweden Lagge15 
It is just a conbination of all the maps played by Fnatic and how it has looked so far.
2019-03-19 15:18
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