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Best CS:GO Players of All Time (2012-2018)
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France Nicolito 
excel-based, ranking per points. Higher points means higher placing. Total Points = C + E + G + I + K + M + O + Q + S + U + Y C= Big Events Maps*; 0.25 pts per map E= Big Events Rating**; 2.5 pts per 0.01 rating. G= Major Maps*; 0.25 per map I= Major Rating**; 2.5 pts per 0.01 rating. K= LAN Trophies (Medium & Big Events); 2 pts per Title. M= Major Thophies; 5 pts per Title. O= Major MVPs; 10 pts per Major MVP. Q= HLTV MVPs (Big Events only); 4 pts per MVP. S= HLTV EVPs*** (Big Events only); 0.5 pts per EVP. U= Intel Grand Slam wins; 2.5 pts per win. Y= HLTV Top 20 Tweaked Formula**** * -0.01 per map below 224 maps in Big events and 51 in Majors, which is most maps divided by 2. This prevents some players to have extremely high rating with too few maps played. If the player never played any major, he gains a default of 125 pts which equals to 0.50 rating, but he still loses points for not playing (0 maps); ** Because of lack of data, all rating are 1.0, the list would be more complete if we had 2.0 rating data before 2017. This affect Support/Entry Fraggers a bit. *** HLTV EVPs are available since 2016. This affect old players, that's why only 0.5 pts instead of 1. **** The formula is: (X/(V +/- 0.25))+(V2*5)+5#. X= Top 20 Reverse points (1st = 20 pts, 2nd = 19pts, etc...). V= HLTV top 20 number of entries. + if= 2 entries or higher. - if= 1 entry. #= Number of #1 (Best Player). All stats affect the players in the same way.
2019-03-20 21:44
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France Nicolito 
III. Aditional infos The list contains 215 Counter-Strike: Global Ofensive Players. Every single player with 20 maps or higher in Big Events is included in the list. The font of each player is based of his own country. IV. The Ranking 1. coldzera (864.80 pts) 2. device (851.41 pts) 3. olofmeister (785.98 pts) 4. GeT_RiGhT (777.63 pts) 5. s1mple (770.48 pts) 6. flusha (768.65 pts) 7. f0rest (766.37 pts) 8. GuardiaN (764.78 pts) 9. dupreeh (752.76 pts) 10. NiKo (747.89 pts) 11-215 ranking will be avaliable soon. all stats will be available soon.
2019-03-20 21:44
#2
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France Nicolito 
V. Conclusion & My Thoughts My intention in creating this Rank is to created a solid list that can be more realibe than generic lists which means that it's the most complete and unbiased list up to date in HLTV. It's not perfect, i know, but still the best one made for our Forums. It could be improved if we had 2.0 rating data, EVPs data since 2012, and some other stuff. I hope i give good content in HLTV, to improve our interaction positively, and to generate more unbiased and fact-based debates, instead of hating and fanboyism. A huge thanks to Snittevitz, without him this list wouldn't be possible. He collected a huge amount of data, and i also give him credits for all of this. Any questions about the ranking or maths? Ask me anything, and i'll reply ASAP. Thanks.
2019-03-20 21:44
#3
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France Nicolito 
I. Introduction Hello, i am Nicolito. I was tired of seeing threads like "the goat of csgo", "best csgo players ever" and always see the reverse HLTV top 20 table (1st = 20 points / 20th = 1 point). It is so incomplete. So i had the idea of making the most complete ranking (not perfect, i'll explain it further), taking in consideration other factors, like titles, achievements, ratings, maps, mvps, top 20s, majors, how long you playing, etc. I got the information needed between 2012 and 2018 of Counter-Strike: Global Ofensive.
2019-03-20 21:46
What was the player with most trophies btw?
2019-03-20 21:49
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France Nicolito 
Xitz with 23, followed by GeT_RiGhT and f0rest. both with 22!
2019-03-20 21:50
Yeah nice thats cool. Basically , they all won the same together excepto Xizt won Sydney with faze. Thats very good , hope to see other good threads from you. I was also tired to se dumbass no sense threads
2019-03-20 21:52
#71
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Brazil erfur 
You forgot one achievement... The Game Awards - the oscar of e-sports....
2019-03-20 22:38
#73
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France Nicolito 
I thought about it, but T.G.A. uses popularity in consideration, also other games. Not fair to use it as a CS:GO objective facts.
2019-03-20 22:43
#74
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Brazil erfur 
yeah... i was kidding
2019-03-20 22:41
1.coldzera 10.NiKo
2019-03-20 21:47
#6
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Germany Kaidixdeh 
You already understood the thread completly wrong edit: nvm
2019-03-20 21:48
Waauuw, good job dude! Always nice to see these formulas.
2019-03-20 21:48
#20
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France Nicolito 
Thanks! I will post more about it soon.
2019-03-20 21:57
#7
FalleN | 
Brazil Didico 
Nice list, but no signature - Nicolito
2019-03-20 21:48
Wow, actually cool to read!
2019-03-20 21:49
#9
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United States BubbleFlameszz 
Damnnnn
2019-03-20 21:49
#11
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Germany Kaidixdeh 
Such a great and smart and understandable formula.
2019-03-20 21:50
#12
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Europe p1peb0mb 
You hltv don't recognize many premier events as big event from 2012-2015. They introduced big events concept late 2015 and only some big events like major are given big event status. Nowadays even small events like blast are given big event status by hltv. So your system is wrong.
2019-03-20 21:50
#16
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France Nicolito 
I said it on my own thread. They actually give MVPs since 2012, starting with DreamHack Valencia 2012. Like i said, my system is not 100% perfect because lack of data. But it's closed as possible to perfect, best so far.
2019-03-20 21:52
#17
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Europe p1peb0mb 
Its not.Its perfect after 2016,if you take big events ratings. Otherwise you are giving too much points to recent performance.Not all time performance.
2019-03-20 21:54
#19
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France Nicolito 
All performance is based on 1.0 Ratings, even post-2016 performance. It's the same formula for all stats! I understood what you mean, but i prevented mistakes adding only 1.0 ratings instead of a mix of different formulas.
2019-03-20 21:55
#21
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Europe p1peb0mb 
ALso please remove points for since it is only intrduced in 2018 and only strlis players will gain significant point from it. It completely misses 3 eras of CSGO.
2019-03-20 21:58
#23
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France Nicolito 
Don't worry. I didn't even added Rating 2.0 stats. All based on same HLTV 1.0 formula, 2012 to 2018.
2019-03-20 21:59
#31
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Europe p1peb0mb 
I am talking about 2.5 points for grand slam winnings.sk,nip,fnatic,ldlc players are missing points since it was not even in until 2017. If you need a fair point sysytem add ecents after taking liquidpidia premier events also into consideration. Also treat grandslam events as normal event events like 2016 malmo or 2016 kato. Don't give addition points for winning same event of same tier after 3 years.
2019-03-20 22:02
#36
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France Nicolito 
I agree in part. It is still fair to give them 2.5 pts, because the scene is more competitive compared to the past, and 2.5 pts don't even has a big impact in ranking. It will impact when we have more seasons of IGS.
2019-03-20 22:05
#38
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Europe p1peb0mb 
its not.Level of players increased.But scene is superweak atm. A team who haven't won a single big event is the top 2 team now.... Even during parity era in 2016, top 4 teams actually won premier events. Dont get biased towards recent teams,You are making all time list.So treat all as same value.
2019-03-20 22:07
#44
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France Nicolito 
Even if i remove Intel Grand Slam, there would be no changes in Raking. But i appreciate your suggestion.
2019-03-20 22:14
#61
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Europe p1peb0mb 
niko and dupreeh? dupreeh for 10 ponts for just winning grand slam events while player like gtr,f0rest gone none while winning similar events in 2016.this is why this is unfair...
2019-03-20 22:31
#63
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France Nicolito 
not 10 points. only 2.5 points for grand slam.
2019-03-20 22:32
#65
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Europe p1peb0mb 
sorry 2.5 x 5 =12.5 points for what? gtr and f0rest on malmo and oakland in 2016 like astralis won chicago and marsellies. They didn't gained any points... while dupreeh won additional 5 for nothing
2019-03-20 22:35
#69
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France Nicolito 
It's 2.5 points for winning all Intel Grand Slam, there is only 1 season, so only 1 time IGS winners, not every single tournament! Did you get it?
2019-03-20 22:36
#72
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Europe p1peb0mb 
So you didn't gave flusha points for winning grand slam if it was there in 2015 which puts flusha above s1mple.
2019-03-20 22:40
#75
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France Nicolito 
Flusha didn't win 5 tournament that are part of Intel Grand Slam nowadays.
2019-03-20 22:42
#89
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France Nicolito 
i meant 4. To win IGS you need to win 4 premier events organised by ESL or DreamHack Masters during a window of 10 consecutive events. So ESEA Season 17: Global Invite Division, and IEM Season X World Championship not part of it. He won 3, not 4. And wasn't even in a 10 consecutive events. If DreamHack Open counts, he would have earned points for IGS, even if not official. But didn't happen. Only Astralis in 2018 made it in whole CS:GO History: win 4 premier events organised by ESL or DreamHack Masters during a window of 10 consecutive events.
2019-03-20 22:58
#104
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Europe p1peb0mb 
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Premier_Tou.. Kato 2016 won't a part of grandslam if it was there during that time? It was the biggest event after majors that year.WHere are you coming from? liquipedia.net/counterstrike/ESEA/Season.. This is not a premier event? Pretty sure that IEM BH was a premier event by Similarly this will be too He won 6 premier events hosted by ESL or DH between .Since there was no DH Masters during that time and open,summer and winter were their premier events,Then fnatic won 8 out of 16 premier events from grand slam. So they won 2 grand slams.... liquipedia.net/counterstrike/DreamHack/2.. liquipedia.net/counterstrike/DreamHack/2..
2019-03-21 09:47
#109
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France Nicolito 
all of that not during a window of 10 consecutive events tho. and IEM not a part of grand slam.
2019-03-21 18:28
#111
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Europe p1peb0mb 
IEM is Intel event hosted by ESL. Grand Slam is called Intel Grand Slam. CAn you see any logic here? liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Intel/Grand.. 4 out of 15 grand slam events were IEM events.This shows you don't know much about the scene.
2019-03-21 20:13
Nice list
2019-03-20 21:52
#18
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Brazil DaVicii 
genius
2019-03-20 21:54
Nice job
2019-03-20 21:59
Doesn't this formula give a bias towards people who have been in the professional scene longer? Like take for example flusha, who has been in the pro scene since the start, and has played in many major maps and big event maps, having more points than NiKo, who entered the scene later and has played less events, even though most people would agree that NiKo is better than flusha
2019-03-20 21:59
no one with a sane mind would say that NiKo is in the history of CS:GO a better player than flusha
2019-03-20 22:01
#34
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Brazil dox__ 
+1
2019-03-20 22:03
I agree, but I was more worried about the placings lower down. I only used NiKo and flusha as examples because they're the closest to what my point was in the top 10
2019-03-20 22:20
#30
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Brazil dox__ 
This is not a skill rank. It takes a lot more things into the formula. Flusha > niko, although Niko is definitly more skilled than flusha.
2019-03-20 22:02
#64
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France Nicolito 
It's not about best aim. It's all-around, like i said! Thanks for your opinion.
2019-03-20 22:33
#68
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Brazil dox__ 
Yeah I understood that! I was explaining it to the #24 xD
2019-03-20 22:36
Ik, but I was talking about the effect that being in the professional scene longer would have on the whole "greatest of all time" deal, since you could theoretically rank higher than a better player just by playing more maps at big events and majors.
2019-03-21 06:34
#32
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France Nicolito 
I also thought that. That's why i added points to maps played, and removed some points per few maps played. For example: Flusha has 88 pts for BE maps played (352 maps). Electronic who has superior stats, has only 34.65 pts for BE maps played (163 maps)
2019-03-20 22:03
#37
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France PowwneD 
Flusha is on top since 2013 and ever was as GTR olof and forest
2019-03-20 22:05
#25
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Brazil dox__ 
Cool
2019-03-20 21:59
#26
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France LanaRhoades 
I didn't read but it seems to bz very very nice work
2019-03-20 22:00
#33
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France LanaRhoades 
Ok i read and it really affects best players from 2012 to 2015 but since the scene is more competitive since 2016 so it's pretty accurate
2019-03-20 22:03
This is one hell of a HQ post, GJ mens)))
2019-03-20 22:01
TL;DR
2019-03-20 22:01
#41
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France Nicolito 
I and Snittevitz created the most complete CS:GO Ranking made so far in HLTV forums.
2019-03-20 22:12
Iam really excited for the complete list to see where players like shox are. But gj dude
2019-03-20 22:03
#40
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France Nicolito 
Thanks! If you are curious, shox is ranked #18.
2019-03-20 22:09
#39
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France Nicolito 
A little preview: imgur.com/a/sEh2dW4
2019-03-20 22:07
#42
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France PowwneD 
Imo the "coefficients" that you put for each part of the score is subjective and could be readjust, maybe try different configurations to see which one make the more sence
2019-03-20 22:13
#48
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France Nicolito 
They are pretty fair. I didn't post here the early version of Snittevitz. There is math behind everything to make it unbiased as possible. Even if you change some coefficients, the results would be almost the same or very close to. Unless you change it extremely, but that would be noticiable. I'm being transparent with the formulas, and to everyone i asked (people with different opinions), they all found it good and fair.
2019-03-20 22:18
#85
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France PowwneD 
Dude, Intel grand slam is 2.5 points, why would it not be 10 20 or even 50 points? Also why rating in Big event is counting as the same proportion as rating in major? Good work but still some adjustments to do imo
2019-03-20 22:52
#88
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France Nicolito 
Because there is only 1 edition of IGS. Would be totally biased if more points added to it. Also, every stat points has a logic behind it that i will explain more further! Thanks for your opinion!
2019-03-20 22:53
#90
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France PowwneD 
Still you put a certain proportion of individual performances and another on team performances but that is totally subjective
2019-03-20 22:59
#91
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France Nicolito 
Proportionally, and applied in the same way to ALL players.
2019-03-20 23:00
#49
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France Nicolito 
That's not about peeks, or best instant performance. It's about all time!! my personal opinion is that s1mple would be #1 if you consider peeks.
2019-03-20 22:19
He have been doing good before 2018 aswell and he is doing this by not playing for top 10 teams he made Na'Vi #2 team of 2018 beacuase he was to good He have the best stats in the game after playing it for years now so its not just 2018. He also is the first player to get 6 MVP's in one year but device did break that aswell with 7 because of Astralis dominance and he won that pretty much with default He is the first player to get 2 MVP's by not winning the event aswell He is the first player to get 1000+ K/D in one year
2019-03-20 22:23
#53
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France Nicolito 
I know and i agree. But it not all about the Ratings. It's about a lot of stuff, like actually winning titles, being consistent through the years, being MVP of majors, maps played etc. For example, s1mple has low BE maps played, so it's easier to have higher rating. Also he never won a major. and he still #5 in the list. I will renew the list every year, pretty sure he will make top 3 at the end of 2019. Thanks for your opinion! :)
2019-03-20 22:25
Good teams win Not basicly 1 good player Even then he made Na'Vi #2 for 2018 with the help from electronic and they won most in 2018 and made overall good runs compared to all teams but Astralis S1mple was #1 rated player in 2018 at majors aswell with 1.30 rating while device had 1.13 or something Just compare S1mple in 2018 to coldzera 2018 it was not that coldzera got much worse he pretty much did what he always did but his team was trash and coldzera had 0 impact to change the games like S1mple did
2019-03-20 22:29
#62
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France Nicolito 
Winning titles is a important part of being a complete player. Being a good team-mate, being useful, even "hardcarry". s1mple had 1.34, devide had 1.24 (2.0 ratings) in 2018. But device had 7 MVPs, a major and 10 Big Titles, while s1mple had 6 MVPs and almost nothing else but big stats.
2019-03-20 22:32
I dont agree as long as you do well as a superstar and play against the best you are are complete player The only thing S1mple dont have is a major , something good teams win He already is the best player we have ever seen in this game and you should read this vpesports.com/csgo/news/thorins-take-the.. S1mple is doing this by not palying for the best team in the world he is the reason why his teams are good and can do some damage
2019-03-20 22:45
And he still become #1 player of 2018 by winning way less because he was a MUCH better player compared to device MVP is not just a MVP you just go like this , he has 10 MVP's and that guy have 9 MVP's so the guy with 10 MVP's most be better youtube.com/watch?v=0EkRzyvP75A&t
2019-03-20 22:47
#82
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France Nicolito 
Yes, that's all true. The amount of points that s1mple won in 2018 overcame device, coldzera, and every other top player made in 2018. But still not enough to surpass some of them in all-time , because device has aparitions in top 20 since 2014 and 2 majors. Coldzera has back to back fu**ing major MVP and #1's, etc. But pretty sure s1mple will be eventually higher and higher in all-time rank with time...
2019-03-20 22:50
Again his major MVP's was won pretty much by default like many of his MVP's same way as device did in 2018 Watch the video
2019-03-20 22:50
#84
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France Nicolito 
Well, that's indeed subjective. I am using HLTV's MVP, not my personal opinion. Don't blame on me.
2019-03-20 22:52
Thats why i said from the start these kind of point based opinion rankings are really bad But i give a + for atleast spending your time on it
2019-03-20 22:54
#93
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France Nicolito 
Yeah... like i said in my own thread, the list is not 100% perfect, but is the most complete one up to date.
2019-03-20 23:02
#45
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Europe KillM2K 
Gj my m8 <3
2019-03-20 22:15
#46
s1mple | 
Italy Laxity 
s1mple
2019-03-20 22:15
#47
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Czech Republic wellbi 
Hi. Nonetheless, how would the list change if you remove all HLTV ranking/awards variables? The issue with these is that these points are based on highly subjective datasets.
2019-03-20 22:16
#50
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France Nicolito 
They are pretty fair. I didn't post here the early version of Snittevitz. There is math behind everything to make it unbiased as possible. Even if you change some coefficients, the results would be almost the same or very close to. Unless you change it extremely, but that would be noticiable. I'm being transparent with the formulas, and to everyone i asked (people with different opinions), they all found it good and fair.
2019-03-20 22:20
coldzera goat
2019-03-20 22:26
kennyS not even on the list :(
2019-03-20 22:27
#76
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France Nicolito 
#39 =)
2019-03-20 22:44
Dude ur actually great thanks for this
2019-03-20 22:28
#77
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France Nicolito 
thank you!
2019-03-20 22:44
#59
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Russia zbogus 
Hltv mentioned themself that dev1ce’s year from 2018 would be number 1 in 2014,2015,2016,2017 so using it in your ranking is not correct as it also repeats the other stats
2019-03-20 22:30
#67
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France Nicolito 
No, because of device's 2018 year, he gained more points compared to coldzera in 2017/2016, olof in 2015, and GTR ones... Trust me, i'm aware of all this!
2019-03-20 22:37
#60
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Brazil erfur 
congratz... you spend some time to do this... great topic in these days of hltv... people are tired of racists, baiters, trollers in this forum...
2019-03-20 22:30
#79
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France Nicolito 
indeed! i wanted something different, a real debate! Thanks!
2019-03-20 22:44
#70
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Brazil siedlarczykK 
Very good analysis Thanks for the information
2019-03-20 22:37
#78
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France Nicolito 
Thank you!
2019-03-20 22:44
#81
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France Nicolito 
comment #29 for top 15 & more stats!
2019-03-20 22:46
#92
f0rest | 
Argentina Nawll 
Damn great job, give it a couple more years and im sure s1mple will be at the top of your list.
2019-03-20 23:02
#94
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France Nicolito 
In my opinion, this is true! Olof and GTR will eventually retire, s1mple already has the biggest ratings. s1mple will play more maps and win tournaments, and eventually be in top 3. He has the biggest grown potential.
2019-03-20 23:04
#95
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Poland Julka 
Well done! But hey, there is a mistake, you put Coldzera at #1, something is wrong!
2019-03-20 23:05
#96
2019-03-20 23:08
I fully disagree with this. I mean, how can such consistent players as kennyS or GuardiaN be lower than S1mple and Forest and HOW can coldzera be the best of all time? Even if there are many reasons behind all this, i just can't agree.
2019-03-20 23:08
Well nice effort but still can't see coldzera being over device.Why do you include numbers of major/big event maps?It's irrevelant and giving more points to players who did for example swiss 3-2 and went out in semi final than players who did 3-0 swiss and 2-0 each game to win the major. Coming back to my point.How it's possible for coldzera being over device even though: -Device has more mvps&evps -Device has more major wins,intel grand slam -Device has more big events/lans won -Device has better hltv placings overall -he's got much more maps at big events/majors/lans basically only things coldzera is better are 1 more major mvp and slightly better rating but with less maps(more maps=lower rating)
2019-03-20 23:08
#99
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France Nicolito 
coldzera > device, let me explain why. - About the maps system: devve has more maps played than cold in majors, that would prejudice devve even more in Ranking. - That's true, device has more MVP's, but has less EVP's - This list is 2012-2018* and doesn't consider device's last major and 2019 tournaments, so both has 2 majors in the list. - Yes, he has more big events, but not too much, it's almost the same. But coldzera has better stats in overall big events. - coldzera is 2 time #1 in top 20. Even with that, device has more points in Top 20 Formula. But not enough to surpass everything else. - actually coldzera has more maps played in big events/lans, devve only higher in majors. -They both are by far top 1 and 2. What really made device be #2 instead of top #1 is his major rating of 1.13, when even NiKo at #10 has a better stat. *if i update the list with 2019 major and tournaments, maybe, i said maybe device surpass coldzera, we would have to check it.
2019-03-20 23:18
#100
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France Nicolito 
like i said on title, this list considers 2012-2018. i edit device's and coldzera's stats adjusted to so far 2019 tournaments, and it look like: 1. device (869.41 pts) 2. coldzera (869.30 pts) yes, for real, with the exactly same formula!
2019-03-20 23:25
#101
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Denmark devoidie 
where can i find the full list ? Please upload
2019-03-20 23:52
#107
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France Nicolito 
I will, today
2019-03-21 13:01
I don't think you can make a good list with a formula tbh. Shox at 18th is absurd and kennyS not in top 10.
2019-03-21 00:05
#108
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France Nicolito 
Well, every other player above him has better stats, more maps, more titles, MVPs... being #13 of all time is not bad!
2019-03-21 13:02
That's pretty good. Well done man.
2019-03-21 09:42
idk 1. me
2019-03-21 09:43
#110
huNter | 
France HYPNO5 
whats your job
2019-03-21 18:37
#112
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France Nicolito 
Full list in couple hours.
2019-04-12 22:27
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