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dupreeh | 
Belgium dzkay1 
idk how you guys think karrigan is good lol .. he is the worst igl ever
2019-03-21 08:01
You are as braindead if not more than your fav player, sorry men)))
2019-03-21 08:03
#72
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India lyncix 
+1
2019-03-21 15:01
scream shit
2019-03-21 15:32
#94
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Argentina Cushiion 
+1
2019-03-21 15:43
+1
2019-03-21 16:07
N1
2019-03-21 16:25
+1
2019-03-21 16:34
it's ukrainian scream
2019-03-21 18:24
#2
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Israel Rea77y 
just look at what happened to faze when they said that he shouldn't igl
2019-03-21 08:03
#3
dupreeh | 
Belgium dzkay1 
faze guys doesnt wanna play with karrigan anymore cuz hes shit lol ...
2019-03-21 08:04
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Denmark Almoe 
ironic flair
2019-03-21 08:10
+1
2019-03-22 04:48
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
Yeah wow, that's why FaZe is doing SO MUCH better without him right? If you think he was a bad IGL or whatever fine, but you still have to replace him with another IGL. You can't just kick him and make your fragger the IGL all of a sudden, it just doesn't work
2019-03-21 08:12
#26
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United Kingdom Dogehino 
Karrigan is great at adapting his team around the stars like NiKo on FaZe. If karrigan wasn’t on faze NiKo wouldn’t of had the room to do what he wants
2019-03-21 08:42
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
karrigan is shit as a player and igl, niko is shit igl
2019-03-21 08:04
#5
dupreeh | 
Belgium dzkay1 
true
2019-03-21 08:05
#10
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
What a fool. Just look at the state of FaZe before and after Karrigan. He sucks when it comes to aim and skill, but his IGLing is really good
2019-03-21 08:13
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Can you show me at which times he has done good job as an igl?
2019-03-21 08:30
#21
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
I literally just said look at the state of Faze before and after Karrigan. Before him, they were struggling A LOT in the majors, guess what, Karrigan brought them into the finals. Also look at TSM. When those players were with Fetish, they kept on failing. Karrigan made them a lot better (obviously Glave turned out to be a fantastic replacement, but still TSM were a good team)
2019-03-21 08:34
There is no solid way of measuring how good an IGL is. idk what you expected him to show you here... alot of things in cs is subjective
2019-03-21 08:34
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Finland Vkims 
He did good job on his whole faze career
2019-03-21 08:43
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
He was decent igl, never saw anything special from him, no great strats, didn't read the game as he used to. Fragging was straight from t5 player.
2019-03-21 08:52
t5 is still being generous
2019-03-21 10:35
you don't need to make great strats in order to be a good IGL, a team can perform well just by doing simple things correctly and at the right time
2019-03-21 15:17
#82
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Name a team that has been really successful playing 4v5
2019-03-21 15:18
Faze, maybe because they had a good IGL
2019-03-21 15:19
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Faze never met the expectations, with a proper igl they should of become nr.1, but failed to do so. Faze was just fighting for ranks 4-10 which have always been full of teams that can win and lose to everyone. They never really got to the top by playing 4v5
2019-03-21 15:22
number 1-2 for six months before things started going to sh*t... when olof came back it started to crumble but before that and Astralis they were considered like the best team
2019-03-21 16:03
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
And who were they competing against? Once teams picked up and got to form faze got stomped
2019-03-21 16:06
When he joined dignitas he made them a team that could win championships when they used to be semis chokers He made faze into a top 7/8 team immediately after he arrived when they werent even top 10 and after gaining some real fire power he could instantly challenge for championships Even though it was a short time nv improved quickly under his leadership Now mouz looks a good team already even though they just traded 3 players He has always been a good igl and he will continue to be
2019-03-21 12:45
#63
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Envy achieved nothing with karrigan mousesports has won 1, lost 1 with karrigan and you say that they look good? Any decent igl could of made faze top 10, they had everything already except igl, other igls would of gotten better results most likely no need to look so far past to even talk about dignitas
2019-03-21 12:56
Faze had nothing all their players looked better when he joined even if they didnt pick up niko i am convinced they would of been a top 5 team Nv had karrigan for what 2 months? That isnt enough time to make a team with no firepower decent You only want to ignore dignitas/tsm because you cant think of anyway to discredit his success Is karrigan even a top 3 igl ever in csgo? Maybe maybe not but is he trash? No way in fucking hell
2019-03-21 13:22
#66
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
He had his moments, i don't say that. For the last 3 years he has been trash. As an individual player he has played like a potato. His in game calls are not special, just an average igl. Sure he can bring his experience etc to the teams which helps outside the game, but when he plays he is just shit in every aspect. He did well in dignitas and tsm, but once the game got more competitive and teams started to catch up the top karrigan has been going downhill ever since.
2019-03-21 13:46
#49
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Austria Laolon 
his igl is only good when all his player perform well.... if not his igl is shit.... so overall i would not call this good igl
2019-03-21 10:55
hes good igl
2019-03-21 15:22
#27
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Finland Vkims 
What happened was that they won epicenter?
2019-03-21 08:42
what? what happened to faze? you say like they are the worst team atm whereas they are legends in major + already won 1 event in 2019. just jump in the bandwagon i guess
2019-03-21 15:13
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Israel Rea77y 
did you see how they play
2019-03-21 19:06
#8
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Lithuania LevelUpp 
Brainless
2019-03-21 08:12
#11
tabseN | 
Germany Ratwar 
nt gold nova, top 3 IGL
2019-03-21 08:14
+1
2019-03-21 08:18
top 3 XD
2019-03-21 10:36
Top 3 from the bottom.
2019-03-21 10:54
#86
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Austria Laolon 
hahaha nice try gold nova 4.... is is realy bad
2019-03-21 15:20
#99
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Slovenia Josip09 
gla1ve and fallen are TOP2 other IGL that are better imo zeus (more hype,same shitty firepower), aleksiB, gob B ( better tactics) Idk he is definitly not top 5 imo
2019-03-21 16:12
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Pakistan CheeseBagga 
Can you be more precise instead of saying hes shit can you tell us why and how hes the 'worst igl". Ik hes dog shit at the game but his role is not to frag hes the brains behind his squad. He has achieved alot in his career, turining faze clan into a superstar team and mousesports rn are doing pretty good under him atm.
2019-03-21 08:15
#67
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
How is mouz doing well with him? They have played 2 games and won 1
2019-03-21 13:52
#73
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Pakistan CheeseBagga 
they destroyed vitality but yea its too early say....
2019-03-21 15:02
They're playing their CTSides (Generally the harder sides to get right) incredibly and look like they'll be strong after those 2 matches. Winning 3 maps of 5 played is impressive, especially with toxic so far not playing as well as expected (He really needs to move out of Turkey, the ping kills him, but regardless). karrigan already shows there is team play there with their CT Sides and likely just needs some time to develop strategies for the T-Side.
2019-03-21 15:11
#90
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Austria Laolon 
he may was a good igl... on css or 1.6 i didnt watch back in time.... i watched cs and also him regualy since the fnatic are.... so i also watch him during tsm, astralis and Faze.... I watched a lot of TSM and astralis and i think his Igl style is always the same.... he is relying on firepower, if his team is in a good mood and in form his teams are very hard to beat. but it was the same on Astralis and Faze if the top players dont perfom his strats dont work cause they are just build on firepower and nothing else.... it is true he had good times with TSM/Astralis and Faze but during this times all players in his team performed well.... after rain was not a top 5 player anymore faze struggled because niko cant play every round with 30+ kills and when guardian also had a bad game than they they where lost cause there was no different tactic than niko go make the kills..... thats the main reason why he is a bad IGL
2019-03-21 15:27
When karrigan joined tsm they got better. When karrigan joined faze they got better. When karrigan joins mouz he will make them better.
2019-03-21 08:18
#16
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Slovakia MyTimeIsNow 
And then they all crumbled
2019-03-21 08:32
I would direct a lot of the blame to rain and guardian (moreso rain) for not finding their form in the second half of 2018.....
2019-03-21 08:46
+1 rain is straight up pathetic to watch now
2019-03-21 10:51
#71
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Slovakia MyTimeIsNow 
Yeah though but they will keep changes like this : - karrigan - adren - others I guess they wont change rain or olof or guardian though they will keep changing 5th player...
2019-03-21 15:00
+1. People seem to forget that some of the Faze players have played like shit
2019-03-21 16:08
#18
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
You have a good point, maybe mouz's tactic is just to have karrigan there to make them better and once they have reached the level they wan't chrisj has learnt everything valuable from him so they can just kick karrigan.
2019-03-21 08:32
#29
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Finland Vkims 
ChrisJ XD
2019-03-21 08:43
#33
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
+1 The problem with Karrigan is that he always seems to fail to make his team the nr. 1 team. He failed with TSM and got kicked because they did not believe he would make them the best and look where they are now. And it seemed the same with Faze. He made them a top3-5 team in the world but could not make it further. WIth the potential in the Mousesport lineup, they are definetly good enough to be around top 5 team in the world and Karrigan is definetly going to get them there, but is he going to go further with the team? That is the big question.
2019-03-21 10:23
Faze were not 3-5 they were fucking number one
2019-03-21 10:52
#57
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
lol. They have been in the nr. one spot on the rankings correct. But they never been the team to beat in any period of time.
2019-03-21 12:33
Not even at sydney? Ehhh
2019-03-21 13:00
#74
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United Kingdom fal36 
you mean katowice? at sydney astralis was the team to beat
2019-03-21 15:03
2017 obviously and yes at karowice as well
2019-03-21 22:44
people literally thought they had broken counterstrike after their first 2 events
2019-03-21 15:29
#52
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Finland Fliida 
I don't know if mousesports as an organisation or team expect to be number 1, I'm sure their short term goal is to get back to winning ways and their long term goal is steady results, Karrigan fits that bill pretty well.
2019-03-21 11:07
#53
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
I agree to a degree. But u never know with players like Frozen, Ropz and woxic with their huge potential. In a year, they are all three probably top 10 or even top 5 players. What then? Is top 5 enough for mousesport? - Otherwise teams like Faze are going to pick them up. Short term Karrigan is perfect but i dont think in the long run.
2019-03-21 12:26
Sure he has not really had a top 1 team but he has basically played in only 2 teams in csgo where he had chance to be good. In tsm he played in the most competitive era in 2015 imo where all the tier 1 teams were very good. fnatic, vp, envyus, navi even titan and nip were great teams back then. and he did manage to beat that 2015 fnatic in like 7/8 series or something like that. with faze he did a really good job. instantly when he joined faze reached top 8 at the major. then they upgraded firepower and they could reach to the top 3. and in 2017 he beat astralis many times and faze only lost to sk. sure faze failed at pgl krakow and lost to nip at oakland but that was just rare occasions. and in 2018 they had to play with stand ins and when olof got back everyone had lost motivation. i think people are blaming karrigan way too much. you cant just blame one player.
2019-03-21 14:12
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
Most competitive ? - If you are talking about level difference between top teams, you are correct. But we if we are talking about the level of counter strike played, the era right now is undisputed the most competive. There is no doubt about that. I am not saying Karrigan is bad, he has done fantastic so far. Just adressing where i think his shortcomings are when comparing him to the likes of gla1ve, Fallen, pronax, Zeus etc. His teams has never been consistent and always seem to have some kind of problem. In TSM they were notorious for choking and their t-side were often a catastrophe, at the end they did not trust his callings and the same happened at Faze. Karrigan is a top Igl, if you read my comment i was just trying to state why i think some people think Karrigan dont deserve all his credit which i think he do.
2019-03-21 16:27
FaZe were number one for a while, and I think they would've continued to be number one if they would have not choked that Final against Cloud9. The team fell apart from there, worsening communications, worsening performances from players, conflicts between members, etc. I think that this team can do damage, but he'll need to work pretty hard to make them something more than Top 5.
2019-03-21 15:13
#104
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
Did they win anything notable when being number 1? Thats exactly my point. If they did not choke, if Astralis did not dominate the way they did, if Niko was not such a toxic crybaby. There is many "if´s".
2019-03-21 16:29
ESL NY? ELEAGUE Premier? ECS Season 4? Those were amazing tournaments. Astralis wouldn’t dominate the way they are now if there was a solid second team to contend them, there isn’t though. NiKo wouldn’t have whined karrigan out of FaZe because karrigan fell off massively calling after the failure at the major, hence the whining. The only ifs are if they had won that final and if the team would’ve wanted to stick togeher after that.
2019-03-21 16:36
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
You are correct about ESL and Eleague, and i am not going to take anything away from that. But it was over a period of like 1 month, and it was there "honeymoon" period. But to say that Astralis would not dominate if there was a solid second team is just stupid. Its like saying if astralis (anno 2018) was there to play when fnatic had their era, they would have demolished them. + Was liquid not a solid team? and navi had the best player ever to touch the game. How can you actually think that Niko only started whining because of a single tournament ?? you cant actully kick the igl based on one major alone. What if the pressure was put on karrigan before the major and hence did not perfom well at the major?? Niko is just a cry baby, just look at the team now. If Niko performs the team is good if not they are bad. His ego is bigger than his skills.
2019-03-21 19:37
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
I kind off feel like chrisJ might have called in mirage haha, but karrigan fragged insanely that game so good from karrigan either way
2019-03-21 08:32
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
On mirage I mean
2019-03-21 08:32
#23
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
You know you can just edit your comments, right?
2019-03-21 08:35
#24
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
Yes, why?
2019-03-21 08:39
#20
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Poland peta1996 
i dont like karrigans shooting skills
2019-03-21 08:34
#25
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Finland Vkims 
"Worst igl ever"?
2019-03-21 08:41
Karrigan is one of the best igls of all time,he might not frag but his strats are great
2019-03-21 08:55
faze have won many tournaments with karigan igl stop talking shit green level
2019-03-21 10:26
Karrigan is a good igl so like wtf really come on
2019-03-21 10:29
#36
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Israel ZiinTotH 
For an igl he isn't that bad of a fragger, not gla1ve tier but he does have the occasionally clutch plays and entries. The last game versus vitality didn't show that obviously but karrigan can pull his weight.
2019-03-21 10:34
not a bad fragger? the only player in a top team whose aim is worse is zeus, so you must watch karrigan's pov with your eyes closed
2019-03-21 10:39
#45
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Israel ZiinTotH 
For an igl you goof And he is a better fragger than zeus and many more igls
2019-03-21 10:53
for an igl he's not a good fragger neither and there aren't any other igl from a TOP team that frag worse than him not to mention, that he is mediocre in his leading abilities
2019-03-21 11:03
#41
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Pakistan XtraticX 
Karrigan is best danish player + IGL. If he join astralis, CSGO would be balanced.
2019-03-21 10:47
#42
Twistzz | 
Korea Jew2K 
Where were you guys when FaZe were dominating and got to the major finals? Talk shit about Karrigan the moment his team puts in a bad performance as if you've always thought he's bad and the moment his team performs you go hiding and don't say jack shit. Karrigan has improved all the rosters he's touched on. Look at the FaZe guys and look at the TSM guys. He's achieved more than the majority of IGLs out there but still think he has 'bad strats'.
2019-03-21 10:49
agreed. Karrigan isnt a bad IGL, just have a low individual skill when it comes to aim and otherwise. He's a smart player overall
2019-03-21 12:30
lmao faze were top team because niko, rain and olof were performing the hell out of his minds. GuardiaN and NiKo the only ones who could keep the perfomances in some events, olof and rain absolutely crap.
2019-03-21 15:20
#113
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Korea Jew2K 
"GuardiaN and NiKo the only ones who could keep the perfomances in some events, olof and rain absolutely crap" I don't see how this has anything to do with the argument. Also you could say Karrigan's strats in the earlier phase of the line up helped players hit that level.
2019-03-22 04:47
Shameless BOTTIGAN.
2019-03-21 10:54
Expexted from Scream fan
2019-03-21 10:55
#50
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United Kingdom Peath 
lmao, he's literally made every team he's played for a top 3 contender
2019-03-21 11:02
Hes good but not top tier. As an IGL hes had the players around him, not once, but twice to create a team that can dominate the cs scene and both times he didnt cut the mustard. Imo most disappointing csgo career.
2019-03-21 12:31
+1
2019-03-21 15:19
#56
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Europe DenilSmith 
We will see, that who will shit IGL
2019-03-21 12:32
No, xizt worse
2019-03-21 12:37
FaZe 2016.01-10. Zero playoff appearances Faze 2016.10-2017.01 at least 3 playoff appearances
2019-03-21 12:40
different rosters...
2019-03-21 15:19
Not really. They've failed multiple times with the same roster, against teams like flipside and cloud9
2019-03-21 16:23
look at what happened with faze after he left
2019-03-21 12:46
He's not even a top3 IGL in Denmark
2019-03-21 12:49
#69
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Europe god_of_hltv 
Fan of scream
2019-03-21 14:14
Mousesports has been playing good with their new roster, but Karrigan does need to step up his individual game, hopefully he gets more impactful as Mousesports play more together
2019-03-21 14:18
No one seems to remember he played real well on Mirage yesterday. I want to see more performances like that to be honest. He looked comfortable playing then.
2019-03-21 15:16
Yes, but then he had that final Dust 2 map which left a bit of a bad after-taste to an otherwise good match.
2019-03-21 16:27
Yeah, yeah of course. I just want to point out the opposite is true he can frag well but got fucked by timings a couple instances on dust, probably ruining his momentum horribly.
2019-03-21 16:30
if he was that godtier IGL people think he is, he would have a major already. he was supposed to have one if he didnt choke the hell out of his ass to a shitty NA team. he had the game in his hands for 5 rounds but couldnt close it, "good IGL" they say lmao. "look at faze now" what now? major legends, epicenter won WITH NIKO IGLeading. Also won that 4 teams event in 2019 with NIKO. So stop with the bullshit already. NiKo only 3 months IGLeading and retards already saying bunch of shit about him. WHEREAS FALLEN, the great fallen, 1 year or more igleading, switched to coldzera, switched back, and not a single event, but "we need to give him time" really just fvck off and stop hating.
2019-03-21 15:18
yes karrigan sucks. HE NEVER WAS A GOOD IGL, OK ? Karrigan is a fragger and he started his in game leader "career" like Niko for example.Or ChrisJ. He did it because at some point there was noone else and he had the most exp.. He is not like gob b or other "real" igls who always had more interest in analysing, game meta etc. , and deeper knowledge about this things as a consequence. btw. remember that gob b worked for ~2 years with karrigan. he always called him "the stupid dane", because karrigan has a cs peanut brain. His strength WAS that he combined IGL BASICS with HIGH FRAGGING POTENTIAL, which made him pretty valuable in a certain enviroment. But the fragging potential is gone, he cant keep up with the top since years. that makes him pretty obsolet in every Top 8 contender line up, and thats why he got removed from astralis and faze. tldr; 1)karrigan isnt an real "IGL type" 2)karrigan is "madfragger type" 3) the fact that 90% here will "lol wtf rofl" about 2) is the proof that he really sucks and doesnt belong to any top team 2k19
2019-03-21 15:43
#106
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Austria Laolon 
+1 good to see a not brain dead guy
2019-03-21 16:32
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