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Change My Mind: Israel
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Here are some points for you to try to change my mind: - Israel was founded legally - Palestine had the chance to become independent on many occasions (1937, 1939, 1947, 1979, 2000, 2008) - Arabs in Israel live peacefully among the Jewish population - Most Arabs in Palestine want nothing more than genocide of the Jewish population (not all Palestinians!) - Hamas puts children in front of them near the Gaza strip border and if they accidentally die from the crossfire, the media goes crazy, ignoring all attacks on Israelis - Hamas hide their weapons in hospitals and kindergartens. - Pallywood (Palestinians playing dead in front of cameras, crashing ambulances etc.) - Palestine gets TONS of money from other Arab countries, mainly to help the people and improve the quality of life, but almost all of it goes to weapons and propaganda machines - Israel is the free-est country and the only democracy in the Middle East, it gives full rights to the LGBTQ+ community, freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion, highest life-expectancy in the middle east, one of the most innovative counties in the world (to put to scale, a few years back, over 3000 new registrations came from Israel and just around 30 from Egypt, the largest Arab country), most environmentally friendly country in the Middle East, just to name some things - Israel wants nothing more than peace with it's neighbors (however, there are extremes on all sides, obviously) Change my mind. Go.
2019-03-21 09:07
#1
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
*Palestinians were offered independence
2019-03-21 09:09
#3
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Jordan xrealx369 
Damn I haven't laughed that much in a while, good one
2019-03-21 09:11
#4
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Explain
2019-03-21 09:12
Which of those facts above is wrong? lol
2019-03-21 09:15
#11
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
+1
2019-03-21 09:16
"I have no argument" would have been easier to type bro
2019-03-21 09:32
#47
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United Kingdom alcaz4r 
lmfao
2019-03-21 09:48
#68
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United States MitchJones 
True
2019-03-21 10:08
This thread is going to get deleted anyway.
2019-03-21 09:13
#6
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Wouldn't be surprised tbh...
2019-03-21 09:13
#7
Magisk | 
African Union 5lack 
i dont give it one hour
2019-03-21 09:14
#8
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
LMAO
2019-03-21 09:14
#95
Magisk | 
African Union 5lack 
nvm i guess
2019-03-21 12:19
#96
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Yay!
2019-03-22 09:06
They just removed another thread titled: "Israel" OP wrote: "opinions?" that was the thread. admins with their censorship/unwritten rules at it again.
2019-03-21 10:03
#72
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Sad. :/
2019-03-21 10:14
Ridiculous. This is HLTV. It should be allowed to bash each other a bit
2019-03-21 11:20
#84
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
F u and Denmark :DD
2019-03-21 11:20
i see what you did there ... I almost rose to the bait x)
2019-03-21 11:21
#86
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
LMAO
2019-03-21 11:22
#10
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Portugal NabasKi 
I won't, I agree with you
2019-03-21 09:16
#13
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Explain?
2019-03-21 09:17
#73
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Or do you mean, that you DO agree or...?
2019-03-21 10:15
He says he won't try to change your mind, because he agrees with you.
2019-03-21 10:22
#87
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Damn it.
2019-03-21 11:23
#88
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Im dumb.
2019-03-21 11:23
#12
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United States VRGcarsonqi 
From what I know, it looks legit
2019-03-21 09:16
#14
AZR | 
Australia Mortein 
Israel-Palestine & Pakistan-India conflict just needs to stop lul.
2019-03-21 09:18
#15
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
+1
2019-03-21 09:18
#16
AZR | 
Australia Mortein 
The world should just let Palestine and Kashmir become independent nations and just end it there. But nope, we gotta have wars for decades over the same exact shit.
2019-03-21 09:20
#18
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
I don't much about Jammu & Kashmir but Palestine was offered independence multiple times in the last century
2019-03-21 09:20
#29
AZR | 
Australia Mortein 
Well in 1947 most of Kashmir was Muslim and pro-PK. But the ruling maharaja didn't want to make a decision so soon. Before he had much time Pakistani troops entered Kashmir (As revenge for the massacre against Muslims throughout Jammu and Kashmir) and went looting, in hopes of forcing the maharaja into submission of joining PK. But he instead went to India for help (who refused, unless he'd join India) and so it happened. A ceasefire was called and now both sides control their own part. Blame goes on both sides. Both sides have launched attacks and both use media propaganda to brainwash the general pop into thinking that it belongs to them instead of the truth which is that it should be left independent.
2019-03-21 09:35
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AZR | 
Australia Mortein 
You could argue that legally it does belong to India - which is kind of true. But a lot of people question whether the maharaja even had the power to make that call which questions the legality and a lot of people especially Muslims think it wasn't the best moral decision for the Kashmir people.
2019-03-21 09:39
Yh, when you think about it why tf pakistan of all countries has nukes. Like tfw make sanctions or something
2019-03-21 10:32
#17
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Russia Sur10n 
TLDR?
2019-03-21 09:20
Israel was formed legally, Palestinians have no right for this land because they rejected 5 different peace deals for the past couple of years. Read #19, it's shorter and give great information.
2019-03-21 09:24
I'm going to invade your home, and then offer you one room and call it a peace deal. You're the bad guy for resisting this.
2019-03-21 09:42
If you don't take your time to read ACTUAL facts (#1 and #19, for example), then don't comment on those types of threads.
2019-03-21 09:46
I agree with everything. One strong point you need to state, is that there was never a "Palestinian" state. In 135 BC, the Romans conquered Judea, and changed its name to "Palestine-Syria". Throughout history, there were at least 3 different jewish states in this region, not a single "Palestinian" one. The term "Palestine", or "Palestinian", was first being used in the 60s, by Yasser Arafat. He claimed that the jews stole their land. Later on, when Israel's PMs offered peace deals to the "Palestinians" leaders, they rejected them all. The world has offered the "Palestinians" 5 different peace deals for the past 70-80, they rejected them all. Israel and the jewish people have the historical right to this land, unlike the "Palestinians".
2019-03-21 09:31
#21
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
^ facts
2019-03-21 09:23
as much as I appreciate you brother, I think you approach every "Israel" thread too biased and iirc, say basically the same thing with "syria-palaestina". You should just reply to people and ben shapiro them u know
2019-03-21 10:41
Well, I state facts. I support Israel, does this mean I am biased? My mom is from Israel, father is from USA - I was taught to love those countries and as I grew older I understood why.
2019-03-21 11:48
#102
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Finland James Nelson 
Why ? Because USA is run by greedy jews ? US is the most hypocritical country of them all. Only think of business and how to make money, then they spout shit against human rights and ''defend'' them unless it isn't good for business. I don't like Israel either but US is the worst, it's cancer on earth
2019-03-22 11:29
#20
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Asia MiloShapiro 
Amen brother, sad to see my country is more hated than any other arab countries with 0 values, morals and humanity
2019-03-21 09:23
#24
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Cen, ahi
2019-03-21 09:25
#26
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Asia MiloShapiro 
<3
2019-03-21 09:27
#23
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Cen, ahi
2019-03-21 09:24
After WW1 when the middle-east countries became mandates for Fracne and Great-Britain, the british foreign minister Arthur Balfour said that jews could move to Palestine and create homes but they can't disturb the local palestinians. After WWII the United Nations decided to make a jewish state. The palestinians were angered by the borders and then the war of 1948 broke out. Imo Balfour's statement contradicts quite heavily with the decision of UN (don't disturb the palestines --> form a nation in the middle of palestine).
2019-03-21 09:25
Hello. - Balfour's declaration stated that the British government sees the creation of a national home for the Jews in favour. - "...being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..." is talking about the arabs and christians living in Palestine, not "Palestinians", whose identity was created in 1964 by Yasser Arafat. Pre '48, "Palestinian" was used to classify the JEWS living in Palestine at the time, not the arabs. - After WW2, Resolution 181, the partition plan was proposed. 45% (Judea and Samaria, Gaza, North Galilee) to the arabs, 55% (the coastal plains, the Negev desert, north-west galilee) to the Jews. The UN planned to make 2 states, not "1(a) jewish state". - The surrounding arab countries (Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Egypt) threatened that if a Jewish state will be declared in Palestine, they will attack, invade and conquer it. The British mandate was coming to an end then as well, which pressured the temporary Jewish government to declare independence and as the arab countries promised, they declared war and attacked less than a day after the declaration of independence of Israel in 15 May 1948. That's when the war broke out. - "imo balfour's..." As stated above, Balfour's declaration did not say anything about creating a nation (in your context I guess you mean a state? I might be wrong). It said that the British government sees the creation of a national home for the Jews in Palestine in favour, that's it. A very vague statement so that the British government wouldn't actually be committed to anything. Furthermore, it didn't say a word about the "Palestinians" but rather the communities and populations other than the Jews. (btw "...or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.") Thanks.
2019-03-21 10:07
Bump, important subject.
2019-03-21 09:34
+All and all pretty good country in the middle-east -Has not fulfilled the demands of the UN
2019-03-21 09:35
+1 Long live Israel, Palestine doesn't exist.
2019-03-21 09:36
#32
rain | 
Sweden R4_PID 
+1 Fuck and i thought i was the only one thinking that Palestine was the kinda bad side of that conflict
2019-03-21 09:41
#71
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
No need to feel lonely 😂👍
2019-03-21 10:11
#100
rain | 
Sweden R4_PID 
:D
2019-03-22 11:18
I dont give a fuck...Israel can bomb any country..i don't care.
2019-03-21 09:39
Don't care, terrorist state known as "Israel" shouldn't exist. Their cancerous ideology of Zionism has infected many countries.
2019-03-21 09:41
Zionism=Support the idea of a jewish state to the jewish people in Israel. Stop acting like it's a big conspiracy theory. If you don't take your time to read ACTUAL facts (#1 and #19, for example), then don't comment on those types of threads. However, I'm pretty sure you're baiting. Name+icon+flag=a really good bait.
2019-03-21 09:45
I don't take Jewish propaganda as fact, sorry. Don't worry, people are waking up to these terrorists.
2019-03-21 09:47
If you don't take your time to read ACTUAL facts (#1 and #19, for example), then don't comment on those types of threads. Come back to me once you read those facts.
2019-03-21 09:48
Typical Jewish subversion.
2019-03-21 09:49
This makes no sense. By the way, ignoring facts makes you an idiot.
2019-03-21 09:50
You Jews have no right to the land, simple as that.
2019-03-21 09:52
They have the historical right to this land, unlike the "Palestinians". God, read post #1 and #19 before you say such stupid statements.
2019-03-21 09:55
Nope, they should go back to Europe where they came from.
2019-03-21 09:57
Judaism's source is in the Middle East, in Israel. Know your facts before you talk.
2019-03-21 09:58
Not my fault you nut jobs take fairy tales as facts.
2019-03-21 10:00
Proof? Give me one example, in the post above and in post #19, that was untrue. IF you say that something is a lie, you should back it up with proofs and facts.
2019-03-21 10:04
You cannot fool me with Jewish propaganda
2019-03-21 10:07
#66
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
You cannot fool us with lies
2019-03-21 10:07
I asked you for a proof and you keep ignoring. I can't tell if you're actually stupid, or baiting.
2019-03-21 10:11
why would you keep responding if u see he doesn't acknowledge a thing ur saying
2019-03-21 10:22
+1
2019-03-22 11:28
Nice argument. Maybe take #25 as an example.
2019-03-21 09:48
Nice flag :)
2019-03-21 09:49
bruh Sound Effect #5
2019-03-21 09:41
#69
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
I say stand with your beliefs because if you don't, you're gonna get killed. Sad truth. :/
2019-03-21 10:09
#38
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Canada Conscience 
- israel is a stolen country
2019-03-21 09:44
If you don't take your time to read ACTUAL facts (#1 and #19, for example), then don't comment on those types of threads.
2019-03-21 09:45
Who stole from whom?
2019-03-21 10:28
palestian casualties always on civilians, whr are their army? Immortal? Lol
2019-03-21 09:45
palestian casualties always on civilians, whr are their army? Immortal? Lol
2019-03-21 09:45
#43
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Pakistan XtraticX 
Haha
2019-03-21 09:46
"Arabs in Israel live peacefully among the Jewish population" bahahahhahahahaha
2019-03-21 09:51
There are arabs in the IDF, arab lawyers, arab doctors, arabs are allowed to vote, arabs work wherever they want, there are arabs in the Israeli Parliament, the Knesset.
2019-03-21 09:53
Name checks out
2019-03-21 11:06
This doesn't change the facts I mentioned above. I love Israel because of those facts.
2019-03-21 11:38
#64
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
What an ignorant statement... -_-
2019-03-21 10:06
#58
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Belgium subfal 
Israel have all rights cause of WW2 and what Hitler done to jews.
2019-03-21 09:59
Not only because of that, read #19.
2019-03-21 10:04
The holocaust was a justification used by the Soviet ambassador Gromyko in the partition plan UN meeting. It was also a justification used by the population of the US to push their government in favour of the plan. But as Manelos said, it's not the only justification. :)
2019-03-21 10:34
#90
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
When the goyim dont know axaxxaax
2019-03-21 11:26
#76
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Israel Xpicyy 
+1000000
2019-03-21 10:23
#82
BelieveR | 
Finland FinTz 
Toda, ahi <3
2019-03-21 11:17
#89
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Faroe Islands FeelsBadMan_ 
polskieradio24.pl/5/3/Artykul/1269236,Iz.. Palestinians can't get into bus with jews. it looks like race segregation, isn't it?
2019-03-21 11:26
Yes, because they're Palestinians. They're voting in the Palestinian elections (last time was in 2005 I think), and they're under the PA's control. Israeli arabs are allowed, because they're Israeli. Jews aren't allowed to get into Palestinian bus, or taxi.
2019-03-21 11:42
#92
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Brazil kaiknux 
Israel is a legal great country with a lot to contribute to mankind
2019-03-21 11:41
#97
Luminous | 
Tunisia me_ 
Prove to me how the land is theirs and I'll ignore all the human rights violations and support israel from now on.
2019-03-22 09:14
Gods chosen people
2019-03-22 09:17
Yes Israel is an illegal country, but not necessarily in terms of its entire existence. Sadly we live in a world of which the biggest affairs are not handled by law. Thus the term ‘illegal country’ isn’t valid here. Israel was established by the British in 1948 when they were militarily occupying the biggest part of Middle East. The British have non-rightfully obliterated Palestine, which was a completely legitimate country with borders, passports and currency. And then they established Israel. Gradually millions of Palestinians were forcefully replaced. Those who resisted were fought and killed. This was one of the worst forms of forceful colonization and demographical change humanity has even seen ever since the Europeans invaded north America (in WWW2 no demographic changes were intended). Now does this mean Israel should vanish? There is no frame of reference based on which to answer this question. Does Israel need to decide about its final borders so that it can recognized as a country by it neighbors? Yes of course. According the the UN resolutions no. 383 and 242, Israel must withdraw its troops and settlements to before the border of before 1967. This is something Israel is rejecting to do. Unfortunately Western world (mainly the US, UK and France) are supporting Israel’s savage violation of the International Law. Thus, until Israel obeys to the UN resolutions, yes, it’s an Illegal country.
2019-03-22 09:18
u can say it was created legally, but its the most unfair thing u can do against all the other countries... no one should get a land for nothing or everyone should. also funny how these jews livin in europe and in the us defending "their" country.
2019-03-22 11:33
#104
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Norway PeteZz 
Well if you are a rational being, you understand that this conflict is not as black and white as both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinians will have you believe.. And you clearly are not interested in a balanced and factual debate, so I probably won’t spend the time debating it.
2019-03-22 11:33
What is your mind? You can't just say Israel:Change my mind wtf
2019-03-22 11:34
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Greenland iamsofancy 
Ok now imagine I come to your house, go to your living room and sit on a couch and tell you " I claim this living room, from now on this is my territory". This is basically how Isreal was created. Hope I changed your mind.
2019-03-22 11:35
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