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Russia tonysh3 
why org pay 10k euro and more to players is it a joke? i doubt that ads and marketing can bring them some profit after that
2019-03-22 10:31
#1
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Contract always favours the orgs. Player’s are the one’s that are getting scammed.
2019-03-22 10:32
#3
Whiskey | 
Germany Jonty_E 
lmao
2019-03-22 10:33
i dont think that
2019-03-22 10:35
#6
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Doesn't matter what you think when that's how it is.
2019-03-22 10:35
all we know that organizations exist not to profit, but to favour jerks who play video games all day. no one owes "players" anything, especially giving away all earnings to them. dont sign a contract if its not beneficial to you, thats how contracts work.
2019-03-22 10:45
#33
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
stopped reading at "all we know that organizations exist not to profit" Russian brain
2019-03-22 10:46
wow, nice point
2019-03-22 10:47
#37
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
ye i know. 3rd world country brain.
2019-03-22 10:48
#83
TACO | 
Brazil SUVACO 
communist brain
2019-03-22 12:28
#156
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Brazil WheyProtein 
I disagree, communists have a little common sense
2019-03-25 14:56
#150
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Belgium zygijelcy 
Judge by nationality LOL
2019-03-25 14:49
#152
RpK | 
France KepleR82b 
Don't be too rude with him, he's Swedish, he could commit suicide for nothing
2019-03-25 14:52
Judge by nationality LOL
2019-03-26 09:57
#182
RpK | 
France KepleR82b 
That was the goal of the joke, nonsense judgement
2019-03-26 16:01
hahahahahahahahahaha
2019-03-26 22:05
Dude I know you're used to communism, but it's capitalism here Without profit, an org dies
2019-03-22 11:04
+1 lol
2019-03-22 12:21
#85
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Lmao. Russia still thinks orgs are run by state lol
2019-03-22 12:29
#144
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Cyprus Swishh_ 
XDD
2019-03-25 14:40
can't imagine taking "organizations exist not to profit, but to favour jerks who play video games" not as sarcasm, but ok
2019-03-22 12:40
You just found out we're all stupid :( But it's your flag's fault ! It was credible
2019-03-22 12:41
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Romania Apophis22 
yeah lul
2019-03-24 19:33
#162
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
Organization exist to make profit
2019-03-25 15:50
#134
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Spain G3CK0 
???? Swedistan doesn't understand sarcasm?
2019-03-25 14:22
#154
s1mple | 
Austria RRRS7 
where was sarcasm gonzales ?
2019-03-25 14:53
#160
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Spain G3CK0 
"all we know that organizations exist not to profit, but to favour jerks who play video games all day." I think it's very clear Mr Adolf
2019-03-25 15:44
#166
s1mple | 
Austria RRRS7 
reported
2019-03-25 16:48
#119
JZFB | 
France Dofo 
"organizations exist not to profit" XxxXD
2019-03-24 20:37
But how can you know how it is. I mean i am sure that orgs make Profit, but they dont Scam the Players like wtf... should the orgs give like 100% to the Players. And dont say, its like that without any prove man
2019-03-22 10:59
contracts allow players to be safe knowing they're gonna be consistently paid a set amount. how does it favour org? explain plz
2019-03-22 11:50
#63
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
because the org keeps most of the money made by sponsors
2019-03-22 11:54
#73
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Exactly, it always favours the orgs
2019-03-22 12:09
Damn, these comments from people are funny :D I'm surprised you're actually trying to explain basic stuff to them.
2019-03-24 20:00
#75
walle | 
Australia sini_ 
That's business? dafuq is the argument??
2019-03-22 12:10
and from players buyout (example: mouz niko)
2019-03-22 12:43
also, money from tournaments are received by the orgs, except intel grand slam
2019-03-22 12:43
No? Depends on contracts but usually players get all of the prize money.
2019-03-24 19:45
#12
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Europe lalt 
lolwut Give me an example of org which has profitable CSGO division.
2019-03-22 10:36
#15
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
over 90% of them otherwise their would be no orgs investing in cs.
2019-03-22 10:37
#72
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
+1
2019-03-22 12:06
#179
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Brazil baldok1 
actually it depends... Do you know why Fallen's team has changed between Keyd, Kabum and Luminosity? There was no market for Keyd or Kabum to keep a team abroad. Their buyers are here in Brazil, so they only kept the team while they were only starting to expand overseas. MIBR was an interestubg investment by Noah now, that he still have NA market and got back the attention of the Brazilian market too.
2019-03-26 09:56
Astralis, Na`Vi, Liquid, FaZe, and all other teams...?
2019-03-22 10:37
#21
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Fnatic sponsored by AMD (they earn more than they pay their players). Astralis sponsored by Audi (obviously profiteble). Na'vi sponsored by hyperx
2019-03-22 10:39
#25
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Denmark Stylepoint! 
Astralis is not sponsored by Audi? That contract ended nearly a year ago dude.
2019-03-22 10:41
#28
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Stop lie dude. They had audi logos on their shirt during the faceit major
2019-03-22 10:43
#29
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Vietnam ponmemes 
new astralis jersey doesn't have audi on it.
2019-03-22 10:44
#32
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
And wtf has that to do with any of this. We are discussing profits in sponsorship.
2019-03-22 10:45
#58
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Vietnam ponmemes 
i'm saying that astralis isn't sponsored by audi anymore.
2019-03-22 11:43
#76
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Ok i don’t care. What are you crying about
2019-03-22 12:10
#78
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Vietnam ponmemes 
it feels like there are more than 2 people on your account. gonna quote exactly what you said "Stop lie dude. They had audi logos on their shirt during the faceit major". you implied astralis is still sponsored by audi, in which i said they aren't and you got salty about it and said that i'm crying. please get a grasp of what you were saying before you call me names, ahmed.
2019-03-22 12:12
#82
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
I really don’t care just stick to the subject. Read my first comment here.
2019-03-22 12:27
#184
RpK | 
France KepleR82b 
Rrrrrekterino
2019-03-27 01:07
#31
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Denmark Stylepoint! 
And they didn’t have them at the recent Major. Neither on their new shirts, it’s 7-8 months minimum.
2019-03-22 10:45
i just cant believe hltv when they post stuff like this.
2019-03-22 10:42
asstralis
2019-03-22 10:37
#22
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Almost no org is not making a profit,
2019-03-22 10:40
#65
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
compLexity -> H4X Nip -> Betway Cloud9 -> Red Bull Mibr -> Razer, Mountain Dew, Tinder ez profit
2019-03-22 11:55
#69
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Sweden Bakkmann 
Lul tinder
2019-03-22 12:02
#70
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
they literally are sponsored by tinder lmao
2019-03-22 12:03
#92
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Sweden Bakkmann 
ik its funny to me
2019-03-22 12:52
#181
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Brazil baldok1 
that sponsorship... wtf dude
2019-03-26 09:57
actually tinder is rich AF.
2019-03-22 12:23
#86
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Finland Teukkasd 
+1
2019-03-22 12:32
WHo thought they werent?
2019-03-25 14:57
Ok, every org. Big enough example? XDDD
2019-03-24 19:46
#34
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United States s0meguy 
Yeah poor players i wonder how they survive with $20.000 a Month.. :(
2019-03-22 10:47
Not really getting scammed. lol
2019-03-25 15:56
#2
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Other VladimirLucas 
salaries come not just from org but from sponsors, money is split they barely feel it
2019-03-22 10:32
tier1 team salary about 15K and i very courious how the fuck they made above 75K/month aa org and its only the players salary and they have other fees and the managament and staff they need atleat 140K/month but from what?
2019-03-22 10:34
#13
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Europe duden 
sponsors pay a shit ton. thats it. read about how esport org buisness work on the internet
2019-03-22 10:36
#14
MSL | 
Europe lgbtzera 
sponsor contracts with big brands like ASUS, Samsung, Hyperx, bookmakers They paying alot money.
2019-03-22 10:37
#54
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Turkey guduf 
Brands has to sponsor them because games and scenes like this what keeps them alive
2019-03-22 11:10
#64
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African Union nm1 
t1 orgs pay 15k hahaha,faze players get 50k ,vp players were getting 25k 3 years ago
2019-03-22 11:54
tf you get 50k from
2019-03-24 20:48
#121
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African Union nm1 
not every player but niko for sure gets 50 its known that they pay 30+ each
2019-03-24 20:49
ehh I guess those gfuel sponsorships pay a shit ton
2019-03-24 20:51
faze owns gfuel
2019-03-25 14:50
proof?
2019-03-25 14:54
#164
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United States kearCS 
Trust me
2019-03-25 15:55
okay trust granted
2019-03-26 09:39
#95
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Spain VIKTORAL 
vp was getting 25k a month in 2016
2019-03-24 19:34
Dont think many have got any more than that ever since. That squad had great market value at the time and vp has a lot of money behind it.
2019-03-24 19:49
#114
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Spain VIKTORAL 
yea there was a russian investor who put hundreds of millions into the vp org
2019-03-24 20:22
not hundreds of millions probably
2019-03-25 17:10
#175
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Spain VIKTORAL 
2019-03-25 17:23
#7
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Europe duden 
ofc it does, you dont even get the money thats in the scene. do you think that sponsors cant pay a big org total of 100k a month?
2019-03-22 10:35
#8
Loh | 
Russia Romashish 
mb v Rossii eto mnogo :))
2019-03-22 10:35
#9
MSL | 
Europe lgbtzera 
big orgs earns alot from sponsorship contracts so 10k $ + its average salary for big orgs like Fnatic/NaVi G2/FaZe/North even paying 20K+
2019-03-22 10:35
#18
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Singapore lunatx0 
nah m8 shox and kenny is getting paid arnd 28 to 36k, ocelote said it himself
2019-03-22 10:39
#20
MSL | 
Europe lgbtzera 
I wrote 20k+ so it might be even 30k
2019-03-22 10:39
#36
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Norway Domysful 
JW and krimz get over 30k+ for sure..
2019-03-22 10:47
#71
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Sweden Bakkmann 
Flair checks out XDDDD How much do you think Brollan makes?
2019-03-22 12:04
this make sense because we all know YNk wouldnt of taken the coaching job if he wasnt going to be paid more than what he was
2019-03-22 10:43
#23
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Europe lalt 
Well, monthly paychecks are nice even if you get a bit less.
2019-03-22 10:40
+1 Good point
2019-03-22 10:54
#11
World fryz 
Sponshorship boys and girls.
2019-03-22 10:36
why org pay 5million euro and more to football players? is it a joke? i doubt that ads and marketing can bring them some profit after that
2019-03-22 10:39
didnt you know that orgs are just out here doing charity haha thats basic knowledge
2019-03-22 10:40
#26
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Orgs always make profits. Otherwise their would be no orgs.
2019-03-22 10:41
#38
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Denmark Stylepoint! 
Nope?
2019-03-22 10:49
#40
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
Was that an argment. Or did your brain ran out of words?
2019-03-22 10:50
#42
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Denmark Stylepoint! 
Sweden as always, toxic.
2019-03-22 10:51
#43
NiKo | 
Sweden Flippee 
No argument ok. So you agree with me
2019-03-22 10:52
Only some orgs make it work. A lot of them are just hoping to make money some day. Fragsters had to shut down because they couldn't make enough. Only the players and maybe the coach were getting paid. The manager and such had to have others jobs to make a living.
2019-03-24 21:49
+1+x
2019-03-22 10:50
#39
United States jr0d 
The only thing you guys need to know is they are getting payed a shit ton of money to play a video game . And we aren't
2019-03-22 10:49
#44
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New Zealand BENd 
+1
2019-03-22 10:52
#67
NiKo | 
United Kingdom lr1015 
to be fair, these people are far, far better than you at these games
2019-03-22 11:58
he didnt say he is better idiot
2019-03-24 19:38
let us unite to fight this injustice!!
2019-03-22 12:00
I doubt they pay more than their profit. How would they function then?
2019-03-22 10:52
They wouldnt. Some retards just having hard time understanding economy.
2019-03-24 19:52
yes you are right. It`s highly doubtable that the anyone in eSports works cost-covering. Dont listen to kids who tells you the sponsoring stories. what happened to eSport: Markets were bad, there was a lot of money looking for growth, they found eSports. Esports got flooded with venture capital. Thats the money we see, it`s not from sponsors or real earnings. Problem with venture capital: the exit is the goal, not the running bizz. the caluclation is for example: you invest 10 million and you dont care what happen to this 10 million in terms of profit making. what you care about is the hype in the market and the 50 millions when you exit. in reality, eSports is as naked as the "new economy", which resulted in the dotcom bubble. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble#/me.. in the next years, the exits will happen. and the next investors after the venture investors will check the books, the bizz models, the numbers etc.. and they will see that the emperor wears no clothes !
2019-03-22 11:01
3 spellings : all wrong Niceeee
2019-03-22 11:02
ok kid
2019-03-22 11:05
Esport or esport, nothing other than that
2019-03-22 11:10
I mean they talk about sponsors, but i dont even know who knew about what every team is advertising. Nobody will buy Audi bcs Astralia have badge on shirt wtf. Same with other stuff. Navi have contract with HyperX but i dont think that they have profit from this.
2019-03-24 19:32
#138
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Spain G3CK0 
Don't you know how sponsorships work? Do you think that United Arab Emirates is getting a direct profit from sponsoring Barcelona? No, but they are getting exposure and they are building what it's called brand recognitions. Modern economy 101
2019-03-25 14:29
They not get any profit They get control on it thats all
2019-03-25 14:31
#142
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Spain G3CK0 
They are getting profit from it, otherwise huge companies with experts on economy wouldn't invest enormous sums of money on sponsorships
2019-03-25 14:33
its all about exposure, brand consolidation, brand positioning/recognition with their public, and be more 'famous' than ur competitor. I work with marketing, bro. dont doubt and argue against about what u dont know like u did, lol
2019-03-25 17:25
Nice HCA reference
2019-03-24 21:52
ur totally fucking right.
2019-03-25 17:26
Are you stupid? Of course orgs profit , if they wouldn't, they wouldn't pay them that much
2019-03-22 11:09
#55
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Other delmaszm 
Let's just take a look at Astralis few deals: esportsobserver.com/unibet-astralis-deal.. esportsobserver.com/astralis-jack-and-jo.. Any org that wins, or last a long time is profitable. dailymail.co.uk/sport/esports/article-49.. (not sure bout that one, but still)
2019-03-22 11:16
Astralis isnt representative, but lets go with them: 1 link : where are the numbers from the deal we should look at? 2 link : same 3 link : means 1 - 5 millions,for over most likely several years. sounds big, but they burn this in 6 months, believe me. there are ~15 ppl in astralis who all need to be paid. and astralis is a pretty slim organisation because only csgo atm. orgs like nip have 30 40 employes. ppl forget about this
2019-03-22 11:34
#57
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Other delmaszm 
I took Astralis cuz of CSGO yeah but.. SK, NiP, NaVi, mibr, coL, fnatic, VP and others are eSport powerhouse for +10 years but they're profitable. I doubt it. But weither they are earning money or not, like most of sports teams for example. Players still get a huge salary, which was the thread subject. But, like any companies, employees would get X$ salary, when the highest placed people would get X+X+X+X$. So i'm not worried about orgs not making it after paying players like #0 would say
2019-03-22 11:42
they make it because of #47
2019-03-22 12:12
#59
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Greenland iamsofancy 
I think it's electronic companies who invest so much in orgs so they can advertise their products. Do you think that any mousepads, mouses, headphones are a choice of the player? I don't think so. Nvidia,Intel,Hyperx,Steelseries or Razer, these firms are filthy rich so imagine the amount of money they pay to orgs. So this is how orgs make profit and where players money are coming from.
2019-03-22 11:46
Do you think that anybody bought esports devices bcs they saw them in some ad with pro players, i dont think so. + there are some non e-sport add like Astralis with Audi MIBR with Mountain Dew I don't even know about that before somebody wrote it. I mean nobody will buy Audi or Mountain Dew just because Astralis and Mibr shows up in ads
2019-03-24 19:34
+1, I don't get how it works
2019-03-24 19:58
#118
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Greenland iamsofancy 
bought an Audi because of Astralis, your point is not valid therefore.
2019-03-24 20:34
expected from poland in indonesia
2019-03-24 21:23
XD
2019-03-25 00:49
#140
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Spain G3CK0 
#138
2019-03-25 14:32
#158
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Yugoslavia BuddDwyer 
all advertisements have their target audience, doesn't matter if you or your friends wont buy the products from the AD, advertisements work and especially advertisements on kids who a big part of the esports audience, it has been proven before that if you flash brands in front of kids they will subconsciously choose the brand they recognize from the ad when they are older or they influence their parents purchasing decisions, it works with cars, food, electronics whatever, if you think these companies are just throwing money away and getting nothing back you are dumb as fuck
2019-03-25 15:02
Dont you think that esports fans are not target audience for advertising anything except devices? You can advertise non e-sport things more wider and more cheaper than pay to se orgs
2019-03-25 17:06
#60
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Europe _EpiC_ 
It seems like everyone is waiting and waiting to finally profit
2019-03-22 11:50
#62
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African Union nm1 
they pay more alot more then 10k,and ur comment just shows how little u know about marketing and sponsorships and how much they are actually worth
2019-03-22 11:52
I know man. I just take average salary not top team only. I mean teams like Vega,Avangar and so on.
2019-03-24 19:35
#100
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African Union nm1 
yh i just saw a threat saying moviestars pays 5k so i dont even know how much others pay
2019-03-24 19:40
5k man Is it a joke? Why they play 5k to nonamers OMG LOL They sure do t get anything from advertising
2019-03-24 19:41
#102
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African Union nm1 
that just shows that there is actually alot of money in esports and they are not dumb to pay that much for no reason they must get the money some way
2019-03-24 19:42
criminal way washing money in esports
2019-03-24 19:43
#115
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Spain VIKTORAL 
movistar riders have whole spain behind them they get verage 5k viewers in shit online quals cuz people believe in them best spanish team and it gets lots of advertising no wonder they get 5k also mixwell nonamer nt
2019-03-24 20:24
Mixwell is nonamer while he play for noname team Im right man If nobody watch Movistar nobody have a clue about what he doing
2019-03-24 20:31
#117
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Spain VIKTORAL 
yea he is nonamer now he wasnt in 2016 with optic, top 1 NA team and superstar roster also they mainly get money from spanish audience, i think that clarifies u why they gget so much cash
2019-03-24 20:32
yeah xd i mean they pay 50k for top team overwatch player. top team for cs go and dota2 certainly earn more
2019-03-25 16:52
#66
Aleksib | 
Bangladesh 696969 
Sponsors and investments
2019-03-22 11:56
investments without any profit? its not dota2 where you can make a cut from cash from International CSGO events have 500k max, while players got at least 100k all together every month
2019-03-25 11:36
thats not how it works bro, orgs make money from merchandise , sponsor exposure , stream exposure , nowadays every player from every org probably has to stream to promote the sponsors , on top of that there are investements coming from big names , believe me sponsors get shit ton of money by sponsoring the esports teams since they get them alot of exposure
2019-03-25 14:33
#74
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Belgium HLTVnewfag 
I dont think some people understand how much money a sponsor actually gives to an org
2019-03-22 12:10
#87
s1mple | 
Ukraine IMOTOR 
+1 Seems like they think that a huge company earns the same as the average office worker.
2019-03-22 12:32
They dont have any profit from that money for me. Its useless waste of money. They dont get any profit if MIBR player will drink Mountain Dew in ad. Tell me when you bought something last time after you saw it on TV or any other add.
2019-03-24 19:37
Ads dont work like that you see some product on TV and you go instantly going to buy it into the store. The company just want to tell that their products exist and they want to save that to your mind. Next time when you go to buy a grass cutter for example, you will remember that ad you saw few months ago
2019-03-25 15:49
I wrote it but dont you think that it is dumb to pay to e-sport orgs to advertise non e-sport things: auto, football club, drinks. You can put in much much wider audience with more s1mple ad on TV or some youtube video.
2019-03-25 17:08
Agree, seems like it should be a big bubble
2019-03-22 12:24
they can be whatever they want but they'll never make more money than shroud
2019-03-22 12:28
#103
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Argentina Cushiion 
The ceos are not stupid if they pay that is bcause they can. So the players deserve thats salary. Its difficult to understand for someone who recive a normal salary
2019-03-24 19:43
#107
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Croatia mds818 
Esports make more money than movie and music industry TOGETHER so yes, unless you think that Di Caprio, Vin Diesel, Jason Statham etc... should be paid 5k$?
2019-03-24 19:44
Are you sure man?
2019-03-25 14:27
#159
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Croatia mds818 
yes
2019-03-25 15:28
if u think a bit u realize we are talking about sports where teams compete against each others to win money. so basically organizations are competing against other organizations, ofc they are making more money than the players. players are the workers for the organization. by ur logic every company in the world is scamming their workers cuz company makes more money than the workers does :D editing a bit. how do u guys think players are getting paid if organization doesn't take money from sponsors etc.? u think there is millionares gifting free money for players?
2019-03-24 20:01
do you buy hyperx production bcs you saw it in Navi video? do you become Copenhagen fan and bought Adidas shirt bcs you saw that North plays in that outfit? do you bought Audi bcs Astrlis have Audi logo one time at their outfit do you bought Moutain Dew because MIBR players advertise it? I guess no no no no So if ads from esport team is not profitable whats the reason to put money in it?
2019-03-25 11:34
Indeed people are buying shit they see their idols are using, what the actual fuck man? That's the basics of sponsorship, you get visibility for your brand :D Why do you think Adidas is sponsoring famous athletes, like football players Özil, Pogba, Drazler, Quaresma etc. etc. if they don't want to get visibility from fans of these guys?
2019-03-25 14:22
Ad just let you know that product exists it does not increase profit. Just some s1mple facts One guy wrote to me that movistar rider players get 5k. Nobody give a f about that team Whats the source of their profit?
2019-03-25 14:23
people from spain give an F, they get 1000's of viewers just on open qualifiers
2019-03-25 14:38
Some big orgs can make it work but probably a lot of them are bleeding cash too.
2019-03-24 21:54
or they wash cash in esport buisness like Alisher Usmanov can do it with VP
2019-03-25 11:35
#131
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Denmark KOKSALTARES 
10k might seem like a lot if u are from russia yes
2019-03-25 11:37
Yes, average salary here around 20k rubles or in other words 300 dollars.
2019-03-25 14:25
I spend 300 euro like every week lol
2019-03-25 14:43
So you have 1200. I guess you robe 1 russian every week.
2019-03-25 14:44
putin is a good president yes ?
2019-03-25 14:45
Its not about president, its about government and system overall. But yes Putin is first who should be fired.
2019-03-25 14:46
#163
huNter | 
France HYPNO5 
they deserve it .
2019-03-25 15:52
10K ?? they get like 20-30k lol
2019-03-25 16:55
#169
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United States awesome1025 
I am currently the manager for Lowkey Esports (Check out our HLTV page). We are a NA organization and I can say that orgs here do not manipulate players or benefit off them by scamming them. From my experiences, players over value themselves so much that orgs can barely meet in the middle and end up giving the players way too much. I cannot speak of the benefits my players currently receive, but I can say that they are rewarded with their time put in to the game and are on the verge of making MDL for season 31.
2019-03-25 16:58
Orgs highest porcentage of benefits comes from sponsors
2019-03-25 17:07
Advertisement in general didn't improve product selling at all. the main objective was to let people know certain product is exist. it's just to impress an investor that the company doing their work, to make their investor know what their money use for. yes, even a big company need a lot of investment from investor to keep running. Btw, the sponsor don't pay that much toward org, most org collect money from many sponsorship that they have. and sponsorship is not the only way for org to get money, they usually have a big investor that backing them up. team like VP example has receive 100m investment from usmanov one of russian billionare. if u think 100m is a lot of money, ur wrong .to compare it, cs go until today only have 72m+price pool from all of 4000+ tournament. VP investment > CS price pool AT. if u talk about 10k being alot, they probably laughing at us now. maybe for us it was, but not for them.
2019-03-25 17:19
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