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Sweden Cruxor 
Lmao if this is supposed to be the best that NA can muster, their future sure doesn't look bright LUL
2019-03-24 01:26
United States fpsBonkers 
this is the best anyone outside of denmark can muster
2019-03-24 01:27
2019-03-24 01:33
+1 Sweden talks in 2019. Fnatic losing 0-16 to team like AGO. NiP is just washed up yet not signing IGL and dedicated awper because of their ego :/
2019-03-24 01:35
Sweden Cruxor 
"Because of their ego" Lmao name a better Swedish igl or awper that they could realistically sign then?
2019-03-24 02:04
Give me a reason besides GTR ego. He's playing bad for 2 years , have some good games here and there but doesn't change he fact he's wasting spot in one of the ... two Swedish orgs ? Fnatic and NiP are clearly the biggest Sweden representing team , they have to take risks like most of the teams. Hampus is not great , but at least decent IGL. Barbarr.. very few of the upcoming talents have the opportunity to show up what they're capable of. About AWPer - Nawwk , yes he's unexperienced but at least he's dedicated awper.
2019-03-24 02:12
+1 Give the young talents a chance and keep the veterans that are consistent.
2019-03-24 09:00
+1 but nip fans are delusinal as fuck, swedish scene is just dying
2019-03-24 12:58
Swedich scene is dead since Fnatic lost 0-16 to AGO and NiP are consistently bad..
2019-03-26 22:04
GeT_RiGhT doesn't do anything wrong here. If the org is stupid then it's their fault for not kicking him
2019-03-26 22:12
I mean he knows he's not performing well for big org , he can simply bench himself.. do streams and sh*t
2019-03-26 22:54
Israel wetz 
Lekro is a good igl
2019-03-24 09:09
No lekr0 is a good player and a horrendously bad igl
2019-03-24 13:02
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
chrisj is even worse boy
2019-03-24 13:08
chrisJ best igl
2019-03-26 22:58
He's definitely not. NiP "tactics" reminds me of MM game "i smoke mid , we waste time and go A/B" they f*ck up and all die..
2019-03-26 22:05
nah ence have still an edge head to head and bunch of teams in EU look out of shape/in need of player changes
2019-03-24 12:37
2019-03-24 12:59
2019-03-24 13:04
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
FaZe with s1mple>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2019-03-24 13:09
liquid > all swedish teams ever
2019-03-24 01:27
zonic | 
Europe ECOV2CE 
potti and heaton would fucking slaughter them so be careful with "ever"
2019-03-24 01:30
United States stephcurry30 
at their best from the time they retired they would be at max mdl lvl players
2019-03-24 01:32
you'd have to adjust by time , like when you grab a economic stat from 200 years ago you adjust for inflation Potti and HeatoN were soooo far ahead everyone else individually that they broke the game , if they had the same amount of individual advantage nowadays they'd make NiKo look like a silver elite master and they'd be a lot better than s1mple. yes , they would decimate Astralis.
2019-03-24 12:39
United States stephcurry30 
u cant adjust for inflation in this case, theres too much uncertainty and too little examples to look at for us to make a confident claim. a large majority of the notable 1.6 players who were late to csgo tried to make a comeback but fell into irrelevance when they realized it wasnt a worthwhile investment and most likely it was too hard for them to attain the same level they were at in 1.6 to csgo. thats why its hard to compare players from different eras and how they would fare if they were in an era that wasnt their best. when we look at heaton and potti, its clear they dominated the early competition and we have demos and results to show that, however looking at the same demos its quite clear that compared to more modern players they wouldnt have been anyone too special which makes sense since players as a whole would get better overtime. this is all we have to go off of though and is certain which is their skill at the time. this is the only factual comparison we could make w/out much speculation
2019-03-24 21:00
steph curry wrist when i shoot from the 3😎
2019-03-26 22:06
Sweden Cruxor 
+1 SpawN would demolish them
2019-03-24 01:33
No, not at all, Take the best team from his era and its not even top 10 now.
2019-03-24 01:37
No, the quality of teams now would make the top teams from that era look like random faceit Pugs are best. Astralis would basically take apart any team from the history of CS 8 out of 10 times they played them, in the last 12 months, and that 12 months of playing the worlds best they have an 81% win rate. They havent been taken to a third map in a major play off in the last 2 majors.
2019-03-24 01:40
Sweden Cruxor 
Lol listing random numbers such as "8 times out of 10" is so retarded since there is no way of proving that Astralis is better than fnatic or SK in their prime for example. I agree that their domination right now is impressive to say the least but claiming such statements without anything to back it up is just idiotic.
2019-03-24 01:45
Given the fact you SpawN would demolish them i dont think you are in an position to say anything, Astralis have an 81% win rate in the last 12 months, something no team from any era has ever managed and the era when SpawN was relevant is many moons ago and a lot of progression and improvements in tactics and mechanical skill just due to the amount of time spent playing. SpawN, Heaton, Potti, Prime f0rest, prime GeT_RiGhT, would all get taken apart by this team.
2019-03-24 01:47
Sweden Cruxor 
Me saying SpawN would demolish them was just banter mate. But to debunk your statements: Nip had 82.5% winrate over the entirety of 2012+2013, and yes I agree that the competition was much less relevant back then but the fact still stands that they had higher winrate. Looking at individual level I don't agree that that prime f0rest and prime get rigth would get taken apart by them. F0rest still has some of the best movement in the game and his aim during his prime was one the same level as niko and s1mple today. You do realize that get right during his prime had over 50% winrate in 1vsX situations versus the very same players thats still on top today.
2019-03-24 01:59
But the entire game has changed, look at teams like ENCE, no real stars at all, some good player but they are going toe to toe with team like Liquid with the best NA lineup and arguably the most skill player for player.
2019-03-24 02:01
Sweden Cruxor 
And I am not saying that nip 2013 would win vs them, absolutely not. Just that comparing astralis today vs prime fnatic, SK, Nip is just not possible since there are an entirely different meta and top players today.
2019-03-24 02:01
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
Don't forget NEO
2019-03-24 13:09
ever? Liquid 0 major - Fnatic/Nip 4 major, nt
2019-03-24 09:00
so what?
2019-03-24 12:32
so how can liquid be better than any other swedish team ever if they won nothing?
2019-03-24 12:38
They are better because they are playing better than fnatic and NiP in their history, I'm not talking about trophies.
2019-03-24 12:49
Thats not even close to be true
2019-03-24 12:58
It's fact that Liquid is better than fnatic in 2014 and NiP in 2013
2019-03-24 13:00
its not a fact idiot, just your shitty opinion
2019-03-24 13:01
oh come on man, Fnatic and NiP never had so skills as Americans. NiP and fnatic never won anything vs real strong opponent. Liquid and Astralis are probably the best teams that we had in CS:GO history.
2019-03-24 13:14
lmao liquid players were already there when fnatic were at their peak and north america was just getting buttfucked over and over again in every aspect of the game, now theyre at their peak and reunited the best of what america can bring and they will still never win a tier 1 tournament + got fucked by ENCE at the biggest tournaments of the year, wow what a team, hope youre baiting there
2019-03-24 15:00
What are you talking about? xD You must be so stupid if you think so. I'm not talking about TEAM, but about GAMERS IN TEAM. Liquid has many changes in the composition and is now a team that fnatic could not overcome in its history. Players in CS;GO are progressing in generations. Every new generation will be better, becouse they started playing CS:GO in younger age. Fnatic was good becouse they was playing with teams that can't play CS;GO. Players from 1.6 which came to CS:GO were never so good and won't be so good as new CS:GO players.
2019-03-24 15:10
lmao 0/8 as expected, that argument can maybe works with nip but NEVER with fnatic retard, there were a lot of top teams that were working really well when they were at their peak u absolute newfag, the meta was just different if you havent figured out
2019-03-24 15:14
0/8, you just can't accept the truth. Have a nice day, man!
2019-03-24 15:17
lmao at least its over
2019-03-24 15:20
yea nitr0 and elige were on a team with adreN lol wtf is this post
2019-03-26 22:14
Envyus with peak levels on kennyS? TSM with elite level players all around? NaVi with GuardiaN? Fnatic dominated one of the most competitive eras in cs history. You're kind of right about NiP though
2019-03-26 22:16
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
Neither fnatic nor nip current roster win any major, even not core 3 players from each team. Wtf you talking braindead ruski?
2019-03-24 13:06
0iq hong kong, learn to read first I didn't say they would win a major with current roster He said Liquid>any swedish team 'EVER', which is obviously not true
2019-03-24 13:12
you are correct, that you insult him but I still think that NiP and fnatic was never so strong as Liquid
2019-03-24 13:15
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
Current liquid lineup would smash fnatic+nip 5v10 lol
2019-03-24 17:00
United States ferric 
Yeah but NIP/Fnatic weren't playing vs the greatest team in CSGO history. If Liquid peaks like this in literally any other era, they'd be winning titles left and right.
2019-03-24 15:24
What a retarded logic is this? You wanna say nip fnatic, ldlc(envy), vp, navi,tsm were mediocre teams? The competition was hard too back then. You only operate with "if if if if" NOBODY know how the certain team from 2019 would perfrom against certain team from 2013-2016
2019-03-24 16:01
United States ferric 
I never said the other teams were mediocre teams, I just said that this Liquid roster would easily beat any of those teams in the past. They are farming every team on LAN right now except for ENCE/Astralis
2019-03-24 20:49
Nip got fucked by them?
2019-03-24 01:27
REZ | 
United States bunnery5 
Rip still have PTSD
2019-03-24 01:28
Sweden Cruxor 
Mad cus ence got cuked by them?
2019-03-24 01:28
Germany Fabbsen 
He is true though. Bashing at Liquid who beat NIP 16-3 just yesterday. The best teams are here in attendance except NaVi maybe and Liquid bashed through everyone except Astralis and Ence. Astralis is just on another level then all the top teams, while Liquid is still on a slightly higher level than all the others than Astralis.
2019-03-24 01:34
they were not?
2019-03-24 02:04
Still in grand final tho
2019-03-24 01:30
Still didnt win any t1 LUL.
2019-03-24 01:33
still a good result who can beat astralis atm?
2019-03-24 08:57
Always same story. Win 1-0 Lost 1-3
2019-03-24 01:35
Peru AgentLF 
Still better than Nip
2019-03-24 02:14
At least nip has gotten some t1 tournaments under their belt
2019-03-24 09:04
2019-03-26 22:09
I am sorry, I wasn't aware of the fact that nip ever took titles against Astralis
2019-03-26 22:10
2019-03-24 09:05
Denmark Xyq9x 
I have to confirm this is indeed true.
2019-03-24 09:06
Denying liquid's talent is just a prayer for naivety. Only NaVi and ENCE have a chance to prove 2nd to Astralis.
2019-03-24 12:56
Only liquid can beat astralis right now you nip retarded fanboy
2019-03-24 13:00
s1mple can 😎
2019-03-26 22:08
true, worlds best player can face astralis, but he needs a good team
2019-03-26 22:52
Canada Surzz 
moron lmao
2019-03-24 15:17
United States ferric 
I mean, if Liquid's future doesn't look bright, then no team's future is bright except Astralis. Too bad NIP has peaked and roster changes won't ever fix Swedish CS. Swedish players just aren't as good as the top NA pros today, sad for you, but true in every way.
2019-03-24 15:21
France Telt 
+1, Liquid are a solid top 2, their present is already brilliant. I really hope they don't disband simply because they can't beat astralis
2019-03-26 22:10
Finland Smoonah 
twistzzz saving tournament endless #2 spot earnings for sex change like caitlyn jenner?
2019-03-26 22:11
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