nah none of these teams can win against astralis consistently,
navi for sure not, cuz they have the worst mappool you can have against astralis.
astralis just has an instant 1-0 with nuke or inferno, no one can challenge them on that.
also they are really good on d2, ovp ( abit shaky before the tournemant) and also good on mirage.
they just play everymap, and you have to play like gods to take them down even on their mappick,
also the scene is not shit rn, its the most competetive one,
just because the teams cant compete against astralis, doesnt mean the scene is weak tho.
teams now have analysts, psychologists. and many new ways to analyze the opponents.
people are now also more skilled than earlier, since the game is evolving really fast.
and dont @ me with " BuT tEaMs ArE cHaNgInGiNg RoStEr"
these teams make changes to compete against astralis, but everything they do, they just get rekt, because its not about the skill nowadays, its about teamwork and grinding together, trusting each other, everyone one the same page and willing to win. ( not like NAF on Inferno ^^)