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Astralis not that good
Brazil Alpha_Brazilian 
Right now we're seeing the worst CS scene ever. mibr and Brazil sucks Na'Vi sucks FaZe sucks Germany sucks Poland sucks Sweden sucks France sucks Everyone sucks so much that a trash MDL team like ENCE is able to get upset wins at lans Even RENEGADES is top7 right now, FUCKING RENEGADES Astralis is definitely good, but they're also lucky because every big scene is struggling right now
2019-03-24 11:12
#1
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
We need to get s1mple to FaZe to save the scene
2019-03-24 11:14
and gob b/chrisJ
2019-03-24 11:25
#34
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
I'd suggest Flusha aka the Swedish elemeNt
2019-03-24 11:26
he doesn't want to be IGL
2019-03-24 11:32
Not even, we've seen that it's not because u make a team with 5 very skilled players that u you'll manage to beat Astralis. Look at Liquid, FaZe etc. It's all about team play, team chemistry
2019-03-24 11:28
#43
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
It could work and it had worked in the past (too bad they started slumping after Boston) We need: s1mple Niko Kio flusha olofmeister And some sort of mental coach to stop Niko from choking all the time
2019-03-24 11:31
Maybe but NiKo is a bad IGL imo
2019-03-24 11:32
#49
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
flusha IGL
2019-03-24 11:32
There aren't enough mental coaches in the world, to stop Niko from choking
2019-03-24 11:34
#56
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
I mean honestly even if Niko chokes, the skill in this lineup could still carry him through. S1mple alone can win you games.
2019-03-24 11:36
olof LOOL he is so bad right now i want: s1mple niko flusha krimz sunny or autimatic Or s1mple to liquid to replace stewie2k they need awper
2019-03-24 11:38
#61
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
Krimz overrated baiter trash Olof is a seasoned player, sure, not the god he used to be but still a great and undervalued supportive element.
2019-03-24 11:38
so true
2019-03-24 12:12
Krimz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OOFlof
2019-03-24 12:30
#142
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
NEO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fOOFrest
2019-03-24 17:38
#141
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France funKKush182 
Disband after one PUG
2019-03-24 17:14
#52
pronax | 
Russia ShadTH 
s1mple from top 2/3 team to F♿ze outstanding move
2019-03-24 11:34
#53
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
0/8
2019-03-24 11:34
#71
fer | 
North America pureGOD 
please nooo... faze disband pls
2019-03-24 11:50
#126
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Other notAbait 
Mousesports would be a better option. +S1mple and a few more roster adjustments and it would be a insane team
2019-03-24 14:45
#139
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
-Frozen (toxic cocky kid with huge ego) +s1mple
2019-03-24 16:29
flag checks out
2019-03-24 11:14
You don't seem to understand, the thing is that Astralis is such a good team they make everyone they play against look like clowns.
2019-03-24 11:15
No, I'm not talking only about Astralis. These teams and scenes I listed are often getting beaten by trash tier 3 teams Faze losing to Ghost, losing a map to coL with n0thing mibr getting raped by Windigo Na'Vi losing to Heroic These results wouldn't happen if they were in form
2019-03-24 11:17
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Israel wetz 
Navi didn't lose to heroic
2019-03-24 11:18
#16
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Germany Vini_1337 
they did
2019-03-24 11:20
#68
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Lithuania arres 
huh? When? Can you post a link?
2019-03-24 11:47
#72
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Lithuania arres 
oh yeah... Thanks, I completely forgot that
2019-03-24 11:54
Almost as weak as it was when LG/SK won their majors.
2019-03-24 11:22
#22
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Sweden vilzeh 
You have to understand the meta is evolving all the time, the old timers aren't the best of the best anymore, skill wise everyone is so close to eachother, it's so small marginals these days, it's not like they SUCK, everyone else just went past them, easy as that.
2019-03-24 11:22
Ence lost to Izako Boars, Forze and Sprout and they're top4 Zeus and Edward are top3, have you watched their POV recently?
2019-03-24 11:23
#37
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Sweden vilzeh 
You just proved my point, the marginals are so small these days, couple of mistakes and you lose the game / map, that's how it is, still not Astralis fault they are so much ahead of the meta. Also those were online games, Ence's been bad online since day one to be honest.
2019-03-24 11:28
No, these are top50 teams, a top4 team should never lose to top50 teams and never did, they're just the worst top4 team in history, that's all
2019-03-24 11:31
#54
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Sweden vilzeh 
I'm sure they would never lose to them on LAN, those are MDL games, do you really think Ence cares? they will get through to the top 8 or whatever the seeding is and get to tournaments anyways. Why are you so salty? SK is/was probably the worst #1 ranked team ever tbh.
2019-03-24 11:35
Who says I'm salty? All I posted was results and facts, you're the one getting triggered over it.
2019-03-24 11:36
#63
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Sweden vilzeh 
Facts about what? Didn't Ence just win Faze, Nip, Mibr, lose to Astralis 14-16 and tie Liquid? Aren't all of those top 10 teams? You're hung up on some irrelevant MDL games, which are online games :DDDD
2019-03-24 11:41
? Yes, and I just said, mibr sucks, FalleN is a fulltime entrepreneur living with his wife and fat cold was 100 times better (and still top6) Faze sucks, AdreN was a trash pickup and both rain and olof are in the worst moment of their careers (and still top5) Nip is a joke just like swedish cs And ENCE, the top4 team, loses to Forze, Izako Boars and Sprout. Why do you have to be so salty over facts?
2019-03-24 11:45
#73
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Sweden vilzeh 
What I'm saying is the skill level ain't the worst, it's just other teams narrowing the gap, you can't be making the same mistakes, you're also right that those "old timers" are the worst they have been, but that's because everyone else has improved so much, they probably have the same skill level but it's not enough anymore. :)
2019-03-24 11:54
That would be a valid argument if I wasnt able to watch gaems and see Edward and Zeus playing like complete bots and still being in the #3 ranked team
2019-03-24 11:56
#83
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
Just so you know, Aleksib said in an interview that they legit dont give MDL much thought because they can't gain anything from it this season. I'm not saying this is right, or gives them a free pass or anything - Just saying what he said.
2019-03-24 12:03
#90
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Sweden vilzeh 
I'm not arguing over that, but they have 2 top 5 players in the game and one of them is the best player in the game, that KINDA helps you, also they are playing supporting roles, Zeus has pretty good reads, I might be better than Zeus true, but I sure as hell couldn't lead those players.
2019-03-24 12:09
Zeus and Edward are #3 cause they literally have the best player to play counterstrike in the best form ever seen. It's easier to be trash when s1mple goes +30 in every big series.
2019-03-24 12:23
You didnt post 'facts' You just claimed that this current scene is the worst it has ever been even though no expert/analyst supports this idea. The only evidence you have are outlier matches (you can't prove the scene is terrible off of 4 upsets dude). IF the scene was so bad, you'd see Astralis win by just fragging everyone, but they dont. They won by re-engineering the way the game is played - ct utility usage, t sides, tactics, using your awper effectively. So don't tell me or anyone that Astralis isn't that good because you just feel like the scene is trash, when that couldn't be further from the truth.
2019-03-24 12:20
online btw, doesn't matter
2019-03-24 12:15
wtf dude , did u watch Ence interview blast pro sau paulo ? They mentioned about why they lost to these teams... They basically said they didn't have any intentions of showing new stuff to these teams (not underestimating) They just want to focus on the bigger events.
2019-03-24 12:28
#121
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
stop mentioning these useless mdl games...they didnt even try only lan matters
2019-03-24 13:12
#136
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Sweden Kasidro 
Online in a league that they don't care about, those matches means literally nothing
2019-03-24 15:38
why do teams look like clowns when playing against each other then?
2019-03-24 11:39
+1
2019-03-24 12:13
0/8
2019-03-24 11:15
#5
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United States dev_number1_ce 
0/8, CSGO is at highest skill level yet
2019-03-24 11:16
A team with Edward is top3
2019-03-24 11:18
#12
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Sweden Bakkmann 
+Zeus
2019-03-24 11:19
Exactly
2019-03-24 11:19
cuz he is good 0/8
2019-03-24 11:20
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 A MDL team that lost recently to Forze, Sprout and "Izako Boars" is top4
2019-03-24 11:21
NT online is diff from LAN hltv.org/matches/2328421/astralis-vs-ldl.. even Astralis during its era lost online before
2019-03-24 11:24
November 2018, 16-14 Scrolled back a lot for this pathetic argument, huh? All the results I psoted were 10 days ago max
2019-03-24 11:25
nt, I was just posting an example of online being different from LAN typical brazilian comprehension
2019-03-24 11:26
Stop trying, you're getting embarrassed Go watch Edward and Zeus POV's and tell me that's a top3 CS team
2019-03-24 11:27
heroic navi was 10 days ago LOL nt Bra7i1
2019-03-24 12:25
#7
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Other VladimirLucas 
+1
2019-03-24 11:17
#8
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Israel wetz 
They are the best tho fact
2019-03-24 11:17
but liquid ?
2019-03-24 11:18
They're the only other decent team right now, but Stewie is too inconsistent and they're famous LAN chokers
2019-03-24 11:20
>famous LAN chokers >opponent is Astralis in finals most of time
2019-03-24 11:21
LOL IMAGINE THINKING THAT ASTRALIS AREN'T FINAL CHOKERS HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA THE DELUSION
2019-03-24 11:22
not comprehending post before posting typical BR
2019-03-24 11:25
#58
device | 
United States ferdi69 
don’t act so fucking retarded man
2019-03-24 11:37
they've lost one final in the past year out of 14 or so finals how are they chokers just because they were 4 years ago???
2019-03-24 12:26
Liquid*, he understood because of the context
2019-03-24 15:43
k
2019-03-24 21:36
#33
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Germany Fabbsen 
I am also a Liquid fan but they did choke quite a lot. I don't mean Matches against Astralis. ESL NY for example Or 15-8 against Ence. Doesn't mean they choke Everytime or every second event.
2019-03-24 11:30
they don't choke often imo one of most consistent teams 2018-2019 and they're playing around with Stewie now too (can be godlike or a bot)
2019-03-24 11:28
#42
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Germany Fabbsen 
They improved it over Time i guess.
2019-03-24 11:30
its like saying s1mple is not best players its just other players are shit
2019-03-24 11:22
#18
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Turkey Thunderball 
omegalul 0/8
2019-03-24 11:21
#21
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Sweden BenjaT 
every team is chokers except Astralis. Ence will choke in like 2 months and become irrelevant like gambit
2019-03-24 11:22
#26
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Denmark Azyyy 
"2015 fnatic would be able to compete with Astralis today, im quite sure of that, but astralis would definitely come out on top. Astralis is the best team to have ever touched the game, everyone that have watched a lot of CS, should be able to see that. With that said: I dont think you can compare two lineups from two different eras like that, since Astralis in many cases have taken what we did with Fnatic and further developed it, just as we learned from the teams before us (NiP/Titan etc) and took what they did and further developed that. Astralis probably have the best infrastructure around them, and the staff behind Astralis obviously deserves their fair share of praise aswell. They have taken a big step towards "professionalism" and are forcing everyone else that wants to keep up to follow in their footsteps, or atleast take inspiration from them."-pronax
2019-03-24 11:24
i like how people talk about fnatic vs Astralis and how they say fnatic would beat them TSM with the Astralis danish core (device, dupreeh, Xyp9x) with karrigan/cajunb was already competing with fnatic back then and giving them a hard time now present day Astralis has gla1ve (comparable with karrigan IGL skill except less choke) and Magisk (an extremely hard player to deal with) not to mention device is full-time AWP now with his hybrid rifle skills still strong vs hybrid AWP/rifler back then
2019-03-24 11:33
#27
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Czech Republic Rodus 
WTF are you talking that everyone sucks ? Thats not the case m8 only astralis put so much to work to their training and so on that theyre above everybody else in skill ceiling. Yes theyre dominant but i dont think that other teams suck.
2019-03-24 11:24
#38
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Germany Fabbsen 
He's a bit right that some teams are really inconsistent, but i definetly agree with you.
2019-03-24 11:28
#36
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Pakistan XtraticX 
They have everything fire power, good timing, better IGLing, best strategies, lots of smile after round win, same b control on inferno, noob opponents, so much luck
2019-03-24 11:28
#41
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Skill based puggy teams used to be the teams that gave the dick to astralis (Faze and MIBR) but now if they suck, Astralis has free reign over all the scene
2019-03-24 11:29
#82
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Denmark KOKSALTARES 
Yeah astralis has been playing the best CS since 2017 now, but teams with high individual skill could beat them. now FaZe with Niko igl no chance and MIBR has become complacent it seems
2019-03-24 12:02
#89
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Faze when they get an IGL will be the only chance -AdreN +MSL/Golden
2019-03-24 12:08
U are kinda right, most of the teams suck right now... but Astralis is still much better. I´d like to see Astralist vs a team like LG/SK core at their peak.
2019-03-24 11:31
Astralis would win. What people tend to not understand is that the scene has been improving all the time. Others just a little more than others.
2019-03-24 11:59
#47
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Germany sunnyrain 
no org knows how to build a world beating roster it seems
2019-03-24 11:32
no org wants to sacrifice the money aswell
2019-03-24 12:15
#122
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Germany sunnyrain 
thats the problem
2019-03-24 13:13
+1 This guy smart
2019-03-24 11:37
#59
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Denmark dev111ce 
how much
2019-03-24 11:37
#64
cyx | 
Denmark VojenZ 
Never been so much money and professionalism in the game than right now. Top 20 team players can live good of the game - wasnt so just few years back. Never been so many coaches and staff around the top 10-15 teams than right now. We have never had better teams than right now. Top 20 teams today would beat the NIP era team comfortably.
2019-03-24 11:44
#66
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Denmark [OLD2]Larsen 
"It's just cbble being removed" Astralis masters dust2 "It's just them being good on nuke" Nobody else proves even close to as good on it "It's just the smoke bug" Stomp tournament with no smoke bug "It's the Aug" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz #FanLogic
2019-03-24 11:45
#87
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Indonesia Not_A_Carry 
Typical Thorin tweet 😂
2019-03-24 12:04
#134
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Denmark [OLD2]Larsen 
Yep :)
2019-03-24 15:21
#67
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Germany Roflcopter234 
+1 thats exactly what I thought about yesterday. But honestly I see no team getting better in near future
2019-03-24 11:46
Germany OMEGALUL. Name one successful german team in GO history(BiG was never successful. They finished 2nd in ONE tournament and have never lived up ever since). You're right about the other ones
2019-03-24 11:57
Just said Germany because they're one of the scenes with the most amount of players in EU
2019-03-24 11:57
Yeah but they've never been good in the first place so mentioning them imo is irrelevant
2019-03-24 11:58
Retard spotted. But what did I expect from brazilian..
2019-03-24 12:02
Tbh, the top 10 teams in 2015 and 2017>the top 10 rn. Astralis is the only exception. Left=2015 and right=2019 1. Fnatic<Astralis 2. Envyus>Liquid 3. TSM>NaVi 4. NaVI>ENCE 5. VP>FaZe 6. NiP>MIBR 7. Dignitas>Renegades 8. Cloud9=NiP(hard to decide tbh) 9. Liquid>Vitality 10. G2(rain maikelele etc. gang)>>>>>>>Cloud9
2019-03-24 11:57
You're wrong in every single point but first.NV 2015 was based on kennys at his peak.Happy was baiter.TSM had karrigan.Navi was final chokers.VP would stand no chance against this faze line up.
2019-03-24 12:12
1. Well yeah but they had good team chemistry and when kennyS was at his peak, no one would beat him. Not even guardiaN or Olofmeister. 2. Karrigan is one of the best IGLs in GO's history. He's certainly no Gla1ve but quite close tbh. 3. Yeah NaVi choked but you can't seriously claim Ence is a better team? 4. VP had a good IGL, great team play, good players for every role and peak levels of Snax, Taz and Byali.
2019-03-24 12:26
Fnatic has beaten nv so many times in 2015 TSM in 2015 was good because they had device and dupreeh,cajunb delivering as well. Yes ence is better team.Navi tactics at 2015 were based on guardian performance. VP was already washing up in late 2015.Snax was great but rest sucked.
2019-03-24 12:31
1. Yeah but Envy caught up and completely obliterated them in Cluj napoca. 2. Karrigan as a good IGL+good individuals. Consistently beating Fnatic, the #2 team of all time 3. Just no 4. Not late 2015. Mid 2015
2019-03-24 12:33
Fnatic was week at cluj napoca 2015.It was obvious that nv gonna beat them.After cluj napoca dennis came and they've won 6 tournaments in the row vs nv as well. Try to watch navi games in 2015.They're clearly based on guardian getting entry kills.
2019-03-24 12:36
Envy lost afterward because Happy became a shit tier IGL/player and Kio reached a slump period combined with internal struggles with NBK. But Envy in August-december was probably the best team in the world. Sure they choked the fuck out of cologne but rose back up afterwards.
2019-03-24 13:06
#133
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Other notAbait 
Do you mean it literally or for the time period?
2019-03-24 15:00
Both. If you put them against one another(a bunch of factors not taken into account like mechanics and shit.) I think most/many top teams of 2015 and 2017 would beat the current top teams except for Astralis(the best team in CS history)
2019-03-24 15:58
#140
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Other notAbait 
I see and agree, people forget that you need to view it for the time period too. Most top 10 team for 2017 would just beat last year and this year even with that out of the line (idk what happened, but end of 2017 somebody hit a reset button or something). And for astralis they are the best team, but i would compare them with NiP for the exact problem with the top10. They are really good, but they don't have competition on the same level for me to give them "the best era". (wrote much better before, but hltv crashed and i'm lazy)
2019-03-24 17:13
You got it upside down man. The pro scene has become so competitive that you can't have shitty strats, tp, comms, or have played together for 5 seconds with an IGL that is not an IGL. The reason all these teams have issues beating other teams is that ever1 is getting better and more professional! Today you have to work your ass of, use your players correctly, aim like a god, have sick tp and utility. If not you get punished hard. Instead og looking at who loses. Try looking at why, how and to who.
2019-03-24 11:58
Go watch Zeus and Edward's POV, members of a top3 team, and tell me that again
2019-03-24 12:00
Edward played well the most important games late in the major. And Zeus keeps sending him on stupid suicide missions mid-to late round. And btw.. navi is just one team of many top tier teams now. Faze is shit though. They should be alot better. The point is every1 gets punished now. And every1 are insecure and 2-10th place is up for grabs by any1
2019-03-24 12:06
3-10 is up for grabs because everyone sucks compared to 2017 or 2015
2019-03-24 12:27
Do not agree. The cs was sooo much worse back then. It was a pug except for a few teams
2019-03-24 12:47
With the astralis era this game has come finally a somewhat relevant. Now you can't be in the top like in the past without hark work and dedication.
2019-03-24 12:03
WHAT A POOR BAIT LOL ASTRALIS GOAT CRY IS FREE
2019-03-24 12:03
good post +1
2019-03-24 12:04
#91
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Denmark aimingyou 
Beta-brazilian can't accept reality
2019-03-24 12:10
+1
2019-03-24 12:32
They dont suck, Astralis are jsut making them look bad.
2019-03-24 12:11
#99
Salah | 
Sweden PerraP 
why are you racist?
2019-03-24 12:16
What makes me racist?
2019-03-24 12:25
#124
Salah | 
Sweden PerraP 
your fan player
2019-03-24 14:34
Neger aint racist u fuck. But expected form a swede
2019-03-24 14:44
#127
Salah | 
Sweden PerraP 
reported
2019-03-24 14:46
They won 12 out of their last 17 tournaments. Bad team
2019-03-24 12:14
There should be an option blocking danes and Astralis fans.
2019-03-24 12:17
Why so 😡 m8?
2019-03-24 12:32
+1
2019-03-24 12:39
these arent upset wins when its been happening many times already but kind of true
2019-03-24 12:23
+1
2019-03-24 12:38
Watch ENCE Vs Liquid played out yesterday, you really see how high level of CS they are playing, but AStralis just make them look bad. Btw Xseven rekt coldzera in a 1v1 xD - Allu rekt Fallen
2019-03-24 12:42
Excuses? Yes
2019-03-24 13:14
#128
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Sweden Lagge15 
Do you wanna know why it seems like everyone else suck? It's because Astralis is so far ahead
2019-03-24 14:47
#129
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Germany EvilBanana 
When did german cs not suck? In Source times?
2019-03-24 14:49
#130
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Brazil Guadachuva 
ofc, I bet you are much better than everyone on the list
2019-03-24 14:50
Astralis is the reason they're all struggling.
2019-03-24 14:52
you only think the other teams sucks because they all get rekt by Astralis i actually think NA scene has never been better, so as CIS scene
2019-03-24 14:52
I agree No real Polish Virtus.pro, no chance to take csgo back at its prime But dont put down ENCE, they are the ones who will win them
2019-03-24 15:27
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