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Top 7 teams rn
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Finland Sarumann 
1. Astralis 2. Ence 3. Liquid 4. Navi 5. Faze 6. Renegades 7. Mibr 8. Vitality
2019-03-24 16:08
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Denmark Xipingu 
Cringe
2019-03-24 16:10
#54
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Germany zeolikk 
How
2019-03-24 19:44
#86
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Denmark Xipingu 
MIBR realistically not even top 10. It’s the rankings that are fucked
2019-03-24 20:11
I agree. but I hope mibr goes back at least to a level of competing with astralis / liquid / ence. Fer is the only one that is playing well
2019-03-24 23:37
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Italy bennyhana 
Can’t win with fallen
2019-03-24 23:48
Plus 1. -fallen -felps/fer +steel +HEN1andnotLucas1
2019-03-25 03:54
-fallen would be similar in effects like -taz meaning definitive end of a legendary team.
2019-03-25 11:25
+1
2019-03-25 12:20
#278
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Brazil jfcampos2 
+1
2019-03-25 19:34
#356
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Brazil gPz1KaAA 
players never be kicked: GeT_Right, f0rest, falleN and fer
2019-03-26 03:28
you understand nothing about br cs
2019-03-25 12:20
True
2019-03-25 14:01
#408
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Chile StfanoLELE 
Steel, rlly? Since liquid got rid of him they became kinda instantly solid top 2 Not saying that he's bad or smth, but he isn't truly tier 1 material
2019-04-02 05:37
I don’t think he fit his role in liquid and his english wasn’t good enough. Imo he’s the best igl in BR after fallen. And fallen hasn’t been as impactful. And we know felps does not fit on this team with fer. So kick one and fallen and add steel and an AWP. Kng > hen1 probably
2019-04-02 16:09
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Denmark Xipingu 
They might :]
2019-03-25 06:25
#418
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Lithuania N0PEr 
Atleast to astralis/liquid level lol. They need to get to the competing level first xD
2019-04-02 09:26
#146
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United States Jammin800k 
MiBR still has solid big event placings as of recent, they faced the eventual winners at the major and had a poor blast. That doesnt boot them out of the top 10. It would be quite laughable for you to try to explain to me 10 teams currently better than mibr.
2019-03-25 04:03
#154
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World nzTLoL 
WINDIGO.GG
2019-03-25 05:58
#265
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Denmark Xipingu 
WINDIGO.westoleyour500k$prizeezOMEGALUL
2019-03-25 16:40
#165
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Denmark Xipingu 
Only reason they reached the semis at the major was because they faced a broken G2 that, despite their shite form right now, still got 12 rounds against them. Renegades got lucky - they won’t be top 8 next time at all, and as such a shallow victory again. 0-5 at BLAST + 0-5 in the stand-off. Windigo also beat them at WESG, that alone should boot them off of the top 10. If you don’t agree then oh well, I think the world will manage. But you can’t run from the fact that nothing suggests they deserve a top 10 placement.
2019-03-25 06:37
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Finland SunMutsi 
Which 9+ teams are better than miBR
2019-03-25 08:42
#198
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Denmark Xipingu 
Astralis, Liquid, ENCE, FaZe, NaVi, NiP, Windigo, Renegades in terms of form (+ first quarterfinal in a long time, ofc they wouldn’t win due to pressure), Vitality, G2 also haven’t got trashed like MIBR just got at BLAST. And honestly the Windigo loss should have detracted enough points to gtfo out of top 10 altogether. Please justify their ranking?
2019-03-25 11:07
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Finland SunMutsi 
I would agree with the first games but im quite sure mibr never actually looked how Windigo plays, well might be only excuses. But noway vitality or g2 would be better than mibr, yes they played terrible last turney but im sure they will start perform real soon
2019-03-25 11:17
#261
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Denmark Xipingu 
I am sure they will do better soon, but atm it’s horrible af.
2019-03-25 16:38
#271
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Finland SunMutsi 
True true
2019-03-25 17:42
#317
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1 btw I love ENCE has become so competitive.
2019-03-25 20:45
#318
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Finland SunMutsi 
Yeah, finally a top contender from finland
2019-03-25 20:56
#379
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Brazil _Schocs_ 
holy shit was that a real conversation happening in hltv?? wtf is going on
2019-03-26 19:18
#381
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Finland SunMutsi 
Yeah, ppl can actually behave from time to time
2019-03-26 20:27
#380
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Poland HTMFS 
Maybe they will start perform but what's that exactly mean cause I don't see them beating astralis, liquid or even ence sure they can reach semifinals maybe final time to time, but i don't believe about winning some t1 tournament. Same situation with fnatic and Nip and faze
2019-03-26 19:20
#229
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Cyprus aazk 
Vitality, G2 > MiBR? Omegalul
2019-03-25 14:05
#260
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Denmark Xipingu 
Fan of, checks out
2019-03-25 16:38
#360
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Turkey rivaluk 
dude lets be real. g2 and vitality didnt show anything AT ALL mibr is there for a long time and it takes time to adjust 3 new additions. and losing 1 bo3 against windigo doesnt make windigo > mibr were tf do u live in. would be the same if u would call Ajax > real madrid in the CL ranking would be the same shit. wait and see ur boys of astralis get back to reality when all the teams establish their team. Liquid new coach and new player ence new to the competition faze struggles with their igl role. navi is there aswell liquid and ence both can push astralis to their limits. its just a matter of time they crack them and its over.
2019-03-26 04:39
#365
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Denmark Xipingu 
Why are you bringing up Astralis in the future when clearly everyone who dominate the scene will get taken down at some point? Besides the conversation have literally nothing to do with Astralis. Also, they have won enough in regards to a secured CSGO legacy right now, so if they started to lose now it wouldn’t mean much. It’s about screwing up tournaments and lose out to teams you should be beating. Can we keep the strawmen to a minimum?
2019-03-26 06:55
#371
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Turkey rivaluk 
i know what this is about mibr look trash obviously something is wrong but it doesnt mean that they dont belong to the top10 anymore cuz of 1 bad tournament obviously full of bo1s they still did "ok" at the major
2019-03-26 17:06
#377
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Denmark Xipingu 
Again, context says otherwise. Now if a top 10 team can suck this hard and still deserve top 10, the level of CS has fallen amongst a fair amount of teams. That’s a sign of two things: A. A dying scene. B. Salary suckers (see VP’s fall for more info) A is questionable, B is pathetic. You decide, if you really believe this is a top 10 team.
2019-03-26 19:13
#384
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Turkey rivaluk 
ranking is based on a period of tournaments not only 1 tournament and/or 1 bo3.
2019-03-26 20:53
#389
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Denmark Xipingu 
But, with context, it’s been downhill the last 3.
2019-03-27 06:03
#395
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United States Jammin800k 
Nah really just WESG and blast which were like 3 weeks a part so just 1 month really. 3 months would include the major and they did well at the major.
2019-03-27 16:14
#398
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Denmark Xipingu 
So beating new rosters and a team that made playoffs for the first time in ages at a 500$ tournament is “doing well” for you? XD
2019-03-27 17:15
#401
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes top 4 at the major is top 4. NRG would have loved to have their result.
2019-04-02 02:58
#404
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Denmark Xipingu 
Arrogance at it’s finest really.
2019-04-02 05:33
#405
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United States Jammin800k 
Explains why you have to type things like that instead of formulating actual arguments.
2019-04-02 05:34
#277
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United States Jammin800k 
Please justify their ranking? Top 4 at Katowice ECS and ESL. Name 10 other teams with better criteria than that. Windigo shoots past them because of online form vs EU tier 3 and a single performance at WESG? Renegades is ahead of them because they lost to them and had worse performances before? Please actually use some logic. What makes NiP better? Purely the fact that they won more maps at Blast? Not any actual bo3 results? Oh man you are knocking on the doors of delusional.
2019-03-25 19:33
#316
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Denmark Xipingu 
So you’re not going to look at the context for that top 4? Top 4 always means it’s good enough for you? xD.. Don’t become a sports (or eSports) commentator or anything pls. Serious talk. This is like saying that Obey Alliance deserved their top 8 at the SMP RS6 major, when really Liquid just choked - something this clan tag is well known for in the past, btw. #198, not going to name teams twice. I’m not a parrot. No excuses for a 0-5 (0-10 if you count the 1v1 battles), and yes I would say the same if Astralis had the same result. Really now...
2019-03-25 20:44
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United States Jammin800k 
The context for those top4s is irrelevant because all of those other teams have the same opportunity to produce the same results. The major is an OPEN tournament, anyone can compete therefore the results mean that you got as far as you possibly could. Same thing with pro league. You cant sit there and rip context away from those results and then claim teams with worse results are better. Renegades literally lost to MiBR to produce that result and MiBR also beat NiP along the way. Keep in mind windigo failed at the European stage for this event No top 4 doesn't always mean it's a great result, but when the teams you're contrasting them with hardly have any top 4s at at it usually means that the team getting top 4s is performing better and a better team overall. A single 0-5 does not boot them out of top 10. The reason they got invited to the tournament in the first place was their placings and close matches vs Astralis. Your only logic for NiP being better than MiBR is them having a better performance at blast. Delusional. Your only logic for renegades being better than MiBR is MiBR beating renegades at the major. Delusional. Your only logic for windigo being better than MIBR is windigo failing to make the top 24 of the major and winning a single bo3 at WESG, vs them. A low tier tournament known for upsets. Delusional. Vitality and G2 have purely worse LAN results at every similar LAN theyve attended to MiBR. Delusional. And faze look like an absolute shit show. If anything they're the ones on the brink of leaving top 10.
2019-03-25 21:31
#362
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Denmark Xipingu 
Delusional, delusional, delusional. Did you learn a new word in school? That said, it seems like you’d defend their top 10 spot even if they screwed up their next six tournaments. No point in arguing with you
2019-03-26 06:50
#367
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United States Jammin800k 
And you replied with 0 arguments, thanks for conceding, you delusional dane :)
2019-03-26 07:52
#378
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Denmark Xipingu 
It’s really typical Americans to believe they have won just because one gives up on the conversation :) this is why only rednecks likes Trump.
2019-03-26 19:14
#383
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United States Jammin800k 
You've still made 0 arguments that I haven't countered :)
2019-03-26 20:38
#390
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Denmark Xipingu 
You didn’t counter them, you fanboy’d them. Hence why I give up on arguing with you, because you’d crown them top 10 even if they fucked up the next six tournaments. It’s clear to everyone. Now, how is that a win? That’s like Sebastian from kitchen nightmares winning against mr Ramsay just because Ramsay left the conversation.
2019-03-27 06:05
#393
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United States Jammin800k 
Says the kid who thinks renegades are better than MiBR because they lost to them at the major and have strictly worse results.
2019-03-27 16:06
#396
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Denmark Xipingu 
I’m 26. But right, spotted the fakeflagger ;) They would lose either way, I’d like to see you perform in your first major quarterfinal in like what, eight majors or so if ever. Can’t recall if they actually got through once before, don’t Think so. Btw they still got a 12-16 on map 2. That should say something about MiBR.
2019-03-27 17:13
#403
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United States Jammin800k 
Your argument is "I can predict the future" lmao
2019-04-02 03:04
#406
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Denmark Xipingu 
Besides men, Renegades and NRG > M16r now lol. They just proved it.
2019-04-02 05:34
#407
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United States Jammin800k 
Doesnt change the fact that your argument was false :)
2019-04-02 05:36
#391
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
What an idiot. So let me ask you this, why is MIBR better? It sure as hell ain't the fact that they win more games, because it's not true. They did terrible in WESG and won 0 games out of 5 in Blast. Explain how they are better than NiP (btw NiP isn't even that good rn, but MIBR is straight up ass).
2019-03-27 06:13
#394
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United States Jammin800k 
MiBR has better placings in similar tournaments theyve attended so yes they do win more games. Let's do a quick comparison. BPS Sao Paulo MiBR 6th NiP 4th IEM Katowice MiBR 3-4th NiP 5th-8th BPS Lisbon MiBR 4th NiP 6th ECS Season 6 finals MiBR 2nd NiP 3-4th EPL S8 Finals MiBR 3-4th NiP didnt qualify for LAN Literally the only event NiP has performed better in is the most recent blast. If you think one tournament is enough to shift the rankings from all of those previous tournaments then you clearly arent attempting to be logical. Keep in mind NiP had the chance to go to WESG as well and backed out. Just because MiBR underperformed at WESG and blast doesnt mean NiP is above them because NiP hasnt done anything notable in that timespan and previous to that all of their results were worse.
2019-03-27 16:09
#399
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
Some of the events you used, MIBR literally had a different roster, so it's absolutely irrelevant. When you looked at the last 2 tournaments, MIBR have been awful. The major, the only reason they even finished 3-4 instead of 5-8 is cause NiP played Astralis while MIBR played RNG. Then you look at Blast Sao Palo, MIBR finished dead last without a single win, that's pathetic. Stop using event froms like 6 months ago and act like they are the same team lol
2019-03-28 02:55
#402
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United States Jammin800k 
But the most important event as of recent (the major) where MIBR had the better performance. I still dont see what arguments cant be made to say that NiP>MiBR
2019-04-02 03:00
#410
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
Just because the major is more important, it doesn’t mean we just forget about WESG and Blast Pro Series. Also, MIBR only did a bit better than NiP and that’s cause NiP played Astralis while MIBR had RNG.
2019-04-02 06:04
#411
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United States Jammin800k 
Well NiP skipped WESG and its not like NiP even had a positive record there. How does that make NiP better than MiBR?
2019-04-02 06:05
#419
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
MIBR went 0-6 in their own country. No excuses. And as I’m typing this they are about to get knocked out of Starseries s7 by north
2019-04-02 09:26
#420
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United States Jammin800k 
Thats not an argument lmfao, NiP has to actually produce results to be considered better than MiBR. Its true, people are delusional enough to use a single blast tournament as their entire argument for rankings.
2019-04-02 09:29
#422
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
Ffs. It's not like I'm saying NiP are great or anything. Both NIP and MIBR suck currently, but MIBR are worse. Look at their past 3 tournaments now. Jesus. Terrible result in WESG. 0-6 in Blast and now about to be knocked out going 1-3 at Starseries I-League S7.
2019-04-02 10:03
#424
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United States Jammin800k 
So if MiBR had went 1-4 at Blast and beaten NiP and they were also 1-4, youd consider MiBR better than NiP?
2019-04-02 10:04
#430
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United States Jammin800k 
I think what you're failing to understand is that NiPs results are also just as poor and they have weaker results in the bigger events than MiBR do therefore MiBRs performances hold more weight despite appearing to be on a decline.
2019-04-02 10:13
#431
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Iran Astr0Steel2k 
Weaker results in bigger events? It was a difference of one match. One match where NiP got Astralis while MIBR got RNG. It’s not like NiP got knocked out in the groups or something. Also they just got knocked out of this starseries tournament. That is 3 awful, really awful tournament performances in a row. How many more tournaments do you need them to do terrible at until you realize NiP is better. NiP isn’t good but better than MIBR
2019-04-02 10:59
#432
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United States Jammin800k 
This conversation started 5 days ago before starladder started and was a way of ranking teams going into the tournament. Obviously starladder will shake the rankings. That doesnt change the fact that going into the tournament MiBR were rightfully ranked above NiP. NiP could just as easily go out in groups tomorrow to the same teams, i dont know why you you're so ready to say that theyre better when their comparative results aren't
2019-04-02 11:06
#437
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Denmark Xipingu 
Argument has become true though, North, NRG and Renegades literally has just proven why MiBR doesn’t belong in the top 10 :) so ez
2019-04-02 12:23
#438
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United States Jammin800k 
I'd say after starladder MiBR will be out of the top 8 maybe 10th on the dot depending on north and vitas success. Thanks for admitting your argument was previously false. Good talk.
2019-04-02 12:24
#441
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Denmark Xipingu 
np
2019-04-02 19:26
renegades lucky ? man you know nothing. look at the last defeaf from RNG and you will see it was astralis
2019-04-02 10:08
#436
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Denmark Xipingu 
We’ll see next major if they can retain their spot. However I think we can all agree now that Renegades, NRG and North > MiBR.
2019-04-02 12:19
oh yes :D
2019-04-02 17:55
+1 ob mibr, rest of the list seems good
2019-03-25 05:25
#158
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1
2019-03-25 06:25
#239
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Netherlands RincoB 
Mibr have given Astralis a run for their money, a lot of 16-14 & 19-17 games.
2019-03-25 14:17
#262
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Denmark Xipingu 
Doesn’t change they are losing to teams they should be winning against 99% of the time though. Although I agree, but rounds vs rounds differential doesn’t translate into ranking.
2019-03-25 16:39
Yup he forgot Windigo FailFish
2019-03-24 21:05
#263
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1
2019-03-25 16:39
Cringe because vitality nr 8. Vitality barely top 15
2019-03-26 00:10
#363
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Denmark Xipingu 
Eh
2019-03-26 06:50
Faze isnt top 5 mibr isnt top 10
2019-03-24 16:10
#5
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Mongolia FoxOutOfGlocks 
faze top 5 OMEGALUL
2019-03-24 16:10
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Germany striXSy 
FaZe 5? Mibr 7? Are you kidding me that are the worst top 7 ever More like: 1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Ence 4. NaVi 5. NiP 6. Renegades 7. Windigo 8. G2/Vitality 9. G2/Vitality 10. FaZe
2019-03-24 18:32
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Norway rchje 
yikes g2 in 2019
2019-03-24 18:34
#132
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France |Lasso| 
G2 in 2019 = G2 in 2016
2019-03-24 23:51
no
2019-03-26 04:49
#370
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France |Lasso| 
Same firepower but a lot of "new players".
2019-03-26 12:20
Windigo top 10? Unproven team with potential +cerq
2019-03-25 03:56
#170
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Cerq fat onliner and will break chemistry Poizon>>>
2019-03-25 07:19
this one is way better, dunno if windigo deserves the spot though and same goes for G2.
2019-03-24 18:34
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Iceland fatboislim 
liquid has never won against ence
2019-03-24 19:29
#46
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Poland P4wl1k 
But Liquid won a tournament this year against Astralis (probably saving strats for major, but no one cares)
2019-03-24 19:36
#77
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Iceland fatboislim 
ence mightve won this tournament against astralis if it wasnt for weird format.
2019-03-24 20:04
#83
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
wierd format or not, a 'good team' will always win no matter what format brother///
2019-03-24 20:10
Liquid and ENCE are interchangeable. We don’t know who’s better yet, they’ve met twice. Good to see ENCE maintaining LAN form. That’s promising
2019-03-25 03:57
#213
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Australia sad_faze_fan 
+1
2019-03-25 11:45
I am not a hardcore fan by default to teams from my nation or any nation by default. I was waiting for ENCE to be able to not tilt on losing streaks and be able to build confidence on their games @ major. When I saw them really pick it up in the legends stage and forth (until eventually meeting the brick wall called Astralis) I was sure they'll be a steady contender. Finns have a problem of letting small things escalate within the team in a high pressure situation. People tilt easily or something and these issues break teams. Motivation is often a issue too and being humble. What I noticed in ENCE is that they've got a professional approach to playing and the comebacks they've had are a certain showing of them being quite tilt-proof and speaks to me of a good team mentality. I am assured they'll do well as long as their tactical pool is deep enough. I am sure Natu for one as a former player himself would be someone who goes thru every little detail to reassure that the team can perform at it's full potential.
2019-03-25 19:51
I agree. I think they will be here to stay as seen by Blast SP and major. Online they don’t seem to gaf but I’m ready for online cs to be only for t2. But I do think eventually teams will counter them and they’ll be pressured to make roster changes (+sunny) just because that has been the culture of pro cs. Time will tell but it is nice to add another team to t1
2019-03-25 22:59
#68
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Turkey TARDUzZ 
And Renegades and Hellraisers beat Ence, so they're better than Ence, Liquid and Na'Vi?
2019-03-24 19:58
#76
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Iceland fatboislim 
no because they are not even nearly in the same league
2019-03-24 20:03
#111
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Turkey TARDUzZ 
Yeah and so were Ence before the major, they have their honeymoon period now, so I think it's too ambitious to be second best team in the world
2019-03-24 21:03
#118
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Iceland fatboislim 
honeymoon or not they are better than liquid
2019-03-24 22:27
#126
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Turkey TARDUzZ 
I don't think so, I think Liquid had their classic "choke" moment so thats why Ence beat them. Their run was very shaky even from the qualifier.
2019-03-24 22:54
#128
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Iceland fatboislim 
and yet ence almost beat them again, instead liquid was handed a gift lmao and how can you take away the first map from ence? let alone the comeback on the other?
2019-03-24 23:34
#147
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United States Jammin800k 
How can you only consider head to head and ignore a years worth of results
2019-03-25 04:04
#166
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Finland Fliida 
The HLTV rankings are based around a 3 month period afaik.
2019-03-25 06:38
#281
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United States Jammin800k 
Nope they consider the last 10 events with decay based on time . Form is based on the last 3 months but is only one aspect.
2019-03-25 19:37
#190
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Iceland fatboislim 
because then nip would be number 1
2019-03-25 10:21
#280
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United States Jammin800k 
Really what did NiP do in the last year?
2019-03-25 19:36
#282
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Iceland fatboislim 
nothing but they did a 87-1 record on lan few years ago
2019-03-25 19:37
#283
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United States Jammin800k 
I didnt mention a few years ago tho
2019-03-25 19:37
#284
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Iceland fatboislim 
cause your whole history arguement is absolute bullshit. what matters is modern cs
2019-03-25 19:38
#286
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United States Jammin800k 
Modern CS? so give me a time frame. You can't actually think ONLY the last 3 months matter. Especially when were in a period with very few tournaments, weve literally only had the major so far this year and a few small events.
2019-03-25 19:43
#289
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Iceland fatboislim 
yes a lot of things has changed and keep changing. last year doesnt matter anymore.
2019-03-25 19:46
#291
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United States Jammin800k 
Why doesnt last year matter, seems kind of arbitrary to just disclude results because the calendar year changed. Those results are still recent and clearly shown that Liquid is the only team able to consistently take maps off of Astralis
2019-03-25 19:49
#293
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Iceland fatboislim 
top teams keep changing, and new ones coming in this year. so last year doesnt matter anything.
2019-03-25 19:50
#294
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United States Jammin800k 
Liquid hasnt changed performance wise Liquid is still #2
2019-03-25 19:52
#297
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Iceland fatboislim 
true but ence is better than liquid. soliquid have to be #3
2019-03-25 19:52
#298
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United States Jammin800k 
How is ence better when they have worse results in the last 6 months
2019-03-25 19:52
#300
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Iceland fatboislim 
liquid has never won against ence. and ence absolutely destroyed liquid in the major.
2019-03-25 19:53
#302
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United States Jammin800k 
And Ence has never beaten renegades.
2019-03-25 19:54
#303
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Iceland fatboislim 
true but renegades doesn't play that many tournaments for some reason.
2019-03-25 19:55
#306
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United States Jammin800k 
Irrelevant to the point and also false
2019-03-25 19:57
#287
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United States Jammin800k 
hltv.org/ranking/teams/2019/march/25/det.. These results still count ya know. Literally performing top 4 at 90% of big events for over a year and making finals at half of them.
2019-03-25 19:45
#290
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Iceland fatboislim 
#289
2019-03-25 19:48
#292
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United States Jammin800k 
So then the only event that we can include is the major?
2019-03-25 19:50
#296
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Iceland fatboislim 
blast series had all the best teams out there except for navi.
2019-03-25 19:51
#299
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United States Jammin800k 
And liquid did better than ence at blast. Blasts format is weak though, will never be a true big event
2019-03-25 19:53
#301
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Iceland fatboislim 
liquid only beat the format, not ence.
2019-03-25 19:54
#304
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United States Jammin800k 
And h2h is not the only thing that matters. Otherwise you would think Astralis=North
2019-03-25 19:56
#305
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Iceland fatboislim 
h2h?
2019-03-25 19:56
#307
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United States Jammin800k 
Head 2 head
2019-03-25 19:57
#308
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Iceland fatboislim 
depends on if the h2h matches are vital or not.
2019-03-25 19:58
#309
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United States Jammin800k 
False. You cant make a full conclusion from one bo3. If so then renegades>ence>liquid>navi
2019-03-25 20:00
#182
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Turkey TARDUzZ 
Ence is a pretty good team, there is no doubt in that, I just don't think they are a top 2 team. If they continue with these results then yeah you'd be correct. But it's too early to say now.
2019-03-25 08:37
#207
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Finland Goofyraider 
Your argument is choking. Ence is top #3 team in the world.
2019-03-25 11:30
im a big fan of ence but tbf they are really close right now.
2019-03-24 20:01
Windigo. Laughed so hard my stomach hurts
2019-03-24 18:35
+1
2019-03-24 18:41
Same with french teams.
2019-03-24 18:42
#34
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France LanaRhoades 
French hater detected.
2019-03-24 19:15
Flag checkout. I am not a french hater. It's just obvious that french teams and Windigo (NiP too if we talk about strixsy's rank) are not top teams.
2019-03-24 19:28
#48
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France LanaRhoades 
Not yet* this is new teams so it's normal lol.
2019-03-24 19:38
Not yet = not now. Especially french and polish teams are "not yet" in the top. We can talk when G2 or Vitality will be able to face NaVi/Liquid.
2019-03-24 19:55
#134
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France |Lasso| 
It's a top 10. They can easily destroy a team like mibr or a tier 2 team
2019-03-24 23:52
#375
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France PowwneD 
Actually, G2 and Vitality are able to beat any top 10 team except maybe Astralis and though against Liquid or ENCE but any other is beatable
2019-03-26 17:25
Is mibr a top Team ? There are not many good teams, that's the reason for g2, vitality and windigo
2019-03-24 20:52
#135
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France |Lasso| 
+1
2019-03-24 23:53
So who would you put above lmao North? Fnatic? NRG? Omegalul
2019-03-24 23:51
#14
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United States SweatyBawlz 
Windigo memes their way through a tournament in China and is all of a sudden a top team?
2019-03-24 18:37
#15
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
Dude you do understand that mibr and Faze got rekt by the top 5 teams, right? They will win 8/10 times against the likes of windigo and g2. Because they get some online wins and tier 3 tournment wins dont make them top 8 worthy.
2019-03-24 18:43
2019-03-24 19:17
#171
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Thats esl one new york idiot Karrigan was still leading for that tournament to give him a last chance
2019-03-25 07:21
why does that make me an idiot? faze became way worse after niko started leading you moron
2019-03-25 17:03
#268
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
They were gonns go out 0 3 at london They got fucked in events b4 They bombed out of new york After niko 3-2 @ london Wins epicenter Win invitational 3-2 at major
2019-03-25 17:16
karrigan igl: win a bo5 against astralis with xizt on your team, get to major final, contendor for iem grand slam niko igl: 4-1 at blast sao paulo, losing to tier 2 teams like nip and mibr
2019-03-25 19:28
#275
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Yeah but nibba remembar that is Early 2018 Karrigan was outdated and dogshit late 2018 Still you look at the very nice and shiny things IEM Katowice 2018 Fiasco Anything but a victory for FaZe in that major as the undisputed best team in the world at that time in that major was a dissapointment
2019-03-25 19:30
oh okay, even better then karrigan: undisputed best team in the world niko igl: lose 1-4 to tier 2 teams at blast
2019-03-25 21:04
#321
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Bro dont you fucking understand that karrigan is outdated and they lost to fucking smithzz with him?
2019-03-25 21:11
Windigo won against mibr 2 weeks ago or something like that
2019-03-24 22:28
#168
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Denmark Xipingu 
- Almost lost to G2 in the major - 0-10 at BLAST - Defeated by LULdigo at WESG while trying really hard It’s delusional to assume this is a top 10 team.
2019-03-25 06:41
#169
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
Lol they came 3-4 at the major which is a tier 1 tournamrnt. You are talking about some minor wins. But yes mibr looks shit at the moment after blast but windigo and g2 would also loose every map there.
2019-03-25 07:16
#174
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Denmark Xipingu 
After winning against a team that by no means will land top 8 again next major. And their group stage were also up and down like there was no tomorrow. That a top 10 team can suck this hard and retain their spot is mindblowing to me. I guess the overall level really is that low.
2019-03-25 07:54
#175
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Denmark M0rtalSavage 
Its not that the overall level is bad. Its just the top team who are on a whole another level then the others. Ence and TL are the only ones really trying to catch up with the level of astralis and navi with inhuman s1mple are teams at another level right now. Other teams have not find the right formular to catch up right now :)
2019-03-25 08:09
#385
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United States Jammin800k 
The event literally had the top 7 teams besides Navi. Losing to top 7 teams doesn't boot you out of the top 10. Teams behind you have to actually get to your level.
2019-03-26 21:27
low quality bait
2019-03-24 18:41
Windigo and g2 OMEGA LUL
2019-03-24 18:42
#136
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France |Lasso| 
Still better than mibr
2019-03-24 23:53
FaZe>g2 , vitality and windigo at any time
2019-03-24 19:33
NIP top 5 and g2 in top 10 AHAHA how delusional
2019-03-24 19:39
#137
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France |Lasso| 
Have you look at recent g2 match ?
2019-03-24 23:54
yeah you mean their matches in irrelevant online qualifiers against tier 3 teams? get the fuck out of here...
2019-03-25 09:08
#219
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France |Lasso| 
Major = LAN WESG = LAN 1 online qualifier with full line If you are a vitality fan it's the same for this team. Good online bad on LAN
2019-03-25 12:17
I aint fan of anyone and im the most unbiased possible unlike you, They didnt do anything good at Wesg , only farming tier 50 mix and getting rekt as soon as they played a decent lan team, what did they do in the major that would make anyone think they are a top 10 team? didnt make it to playoffs, only got the opportunity to start everything from the qual again, neither vit or G2 have done anything relevant that would place them in the top 10 yet, learn to use context and stop rushing things, they MAYBE have potential but didnt do shit yet
2019-03-25 13:51
#55
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Germany zeolikk 
Windigo overrated
2019-03-24 19:45
#66
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Bulgaria stef0o0o 
-1111
2019-03-24 19:57
#67
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Germany zeolikk 
Flag
2019-03-24 19:58
#65
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Bulgaria stef0o0o 
+1111
2019-03-24 19:57
#78
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Denmark Userunknown 
OMEGALUL putting g2, vitality and windigo just to fill some gaps and not to put mibr :D rng top 6? they lost to mibr at major quarter final XD
2019-03-24 20:06
#90
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Windigo cucked mibr and then mibr went on to go 0-10 tbh with the latest results windigo are better but the brazillians will comeback eventually ofcourse, its in them or the French to finally dethrone Astralis i dont see FaZe, Liquid or NaVi doing it oh and g2 is going places with amanek, they literally havent practiced at all and are already looking better than ever
2019-03-24 20:17
NiKo is enough to win V G2, Vitality, windigo
2019-03-25 07:25
Thats more like it...+1
2019-03-25 09:36
#196
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Top5 is accurate
2019-03-25 11:02
#224
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Austria Laolon 
not sure if ence or navi top3 ....
2019-03-25 13:53
#276
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Netherlands bredalow 
Renegades > NIP
2019-03-25 19:31
#358
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France t3r4byt3 
based off what?
2019-03-26 04:08
#9
hyde | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
Ence lmao
2019-03-24 18:35
Yeah there are so many better teams. FaZe, NaVi, NiP.... wait! What?
2019-03-24 18:36
#98
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Europe Jansuuu 
+1
2019-03-24 20:28
#12
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Bulgaria Ju7y 
Where is NiP? Btw thats 8
2019-03-24 18:36
#16
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Romania cyber8 
Nip>Faze>Mibr>Vitality>Renegades
2019-03-24 18:38
mibr>all nab
2019-03-24 18:42
#85
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Finland halla_aho 
0-5
2019-03-24 20:10
-top7 teams - eight teams on the list Chose one
2019-03-24 18:40
#160
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Tunisia darkoplax 
it's in octal so Top 7 means for him from 0 to 7 which's directly means 8 teams check mate lmao
2019-03-25 06:28
5 iq
2019-03-25 06:36
Astralis Liquid ENCE NaVi MiBR FaZe Renegades Liquid > ENCE
2019-03-24 18:43
#43
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Iceland fatboislim 
liquid hasnt won against ence, so obviously ence is better
2019-03-24 19:35
and torqued won once vs ghost and ghost won vs both faze and liquid so i guess that torqued is actually above liquid aswell.
2019-03-24 20:03
#151
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Finland Faifainei 
And Izako boars won against ence so they should be at least top 10
2019-03-25 05:20
#157
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United States kearCS 
Renegades beat ENCE twice ( bo1 and bo3). So Renegades > ENCE?
2019-03-25 06:15
#161
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Finland Faifainei 
That is the only logical solution. But wait a minute 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Rng lost to mibr, so mibr>rng. But ence won against mibr, so ence>mibr 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 how can dis be?
2019-03-25 06:33
#238
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Australia c0meatm3_Bro 
but wait there is more to this Renegades has beaten ence 3 maps but lost to MIBR 2 maps and Ence beat MIBR 1 map so that makes them even but then Renegades won a map against Astralis and Ence haven't so that makes Renegades > Ence but only by 1 map. anyway Renegades fix! -Renegades + Vox Eminor -Liazz +Spunj -Jkeam +Havoc -Gratisfaction + Topgun EZ top 1 in world
2019-03-25 14:12
#349
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Iceland fatboislim 
in vital matches?
2019-03-26 02:38
Liquid can beat Astralis and has had better records overall. Granted ENCE wins the H2H but Liquid overall is better. It's a close contest but because Liquid have 1. Beaten Astralis and 2. Won a big event (beat Astralis) they > ENCE
2019-03-26 00:04
#197
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Faze and Mibr but not NiP nt
2019-03-25 11:02
NiP have been lackluster imo They're about 9th or 10th for me. I put NRG above them and they're contending with Windigo because of their good form lately (even before WESG they were pretty good)
2019-03-26 00:06
#369
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Ehm, NiP beat both MIBR and Faze in convincing fashion at Blast, and put up a good fight against Astralis on Dust2, both at blast and during the major. NRG did shit at the major and who the fuck are Windigo (/s)?
2019-03-26 10:36
#25
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North America ye1337 
astralis liquid ence navi Renegades mibr nip
2019-03-24 18:45
#423
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Australia CaZeR01 
Nip, faze > mibr
2019-04-02 10:04
1, Astralis 2. Liquid 3. NaVi 4. Renegades 5. ENCE 6. MiBR 7. FaZe
2019-03-24 18:46
#139
Arthas | 
Russia Ypp1 
good one
2019-03-24 23:57
0/8
2019-03-25 14:04
+1
2019-03-25 22:05
#425
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Australia CaZeR01 
Swap faze and mibr, then 10/10
2019-04-02 10:05
1. MIBR 2. Mousesports 3. HR 4. Faze 5. Virtus Pro 6. dk 7. dk
2019-03-24 18:47
#366
apEX | 
France Axpie 
6. Unicorns of Love 7. Fnatic
2019-03-26 07:11
#30
dupreeh | 
Bulgaria Crossz 
1.Astralis 2.Liquid 3.ENCE 4.NaVi 5.Renegades 6.FaZe 7.Windigo
2019-03-24 19:11
#33
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France LanaRhoades 
Windigo > Faze ATM
2019-03-24 19:14
Probably
2019-03-24 22:21
Niko vs Windigo would be close
2019-03-26 00:28
#31
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France LanaRhoades 
>Top 7 >8 teams > Pick one. Btw liquid #2.
2019-03-24 19:13
Liquid never beat ence
2019-03-24 19:49
#138
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France |Lasso| 
Rng > Ence ? Ence never beat rng (they lost 2-0)
2019-03-24 23:56
#242
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Finland Teukkasd 
still ence was in major finals, where was rng?
2019-03-25 14:26
#35
NiKo | 
Poland OSKIROZ 
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Na'vi EZ 4. Ence 5. Faze 6. Mibr 7. NiP 8. Renegades 9. Vitality 10. NRG/C9
2019-03-24 19:16
#368
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Estonia ropz_bestest 
Navi over ence xaxaxaxa
2019-03-26 07:56
Astralis, Ence, Liquid, Navi, Nip ............
2019-03-24 19:30
7. MIBR HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
2019-03-24 19:35
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. ENCE 4. Na’Vi 5. FaZe 6. NiP 7. ReneGODS 8. NRG 9. Vitality 10. Maybe C9 Now, look at this top 10 and say that the scene is as near competitive as it was 2014-2017
2019-03-24 19:39
that the scene is as near competitive as it was 2014-2017
2019-03-24 20:08
Ok, now this is epic
2019-03-24 21:59
#148
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United States Jammin800k 
This is directly after a huge shuffle and lots of changes. Main issue is Astralis makes other teams look weaker since they do everything very well.
2019-03-25 04:08
No, the shuffles happened before the major, which was 1 month ago and since 2018 the scene is shit, stop doing excuses, this is Fallen’s job.
2019-03-25 14:32
#285
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United States Jammin800k 
G2 literally just made a change So did NRG c9 is hardly even finalized Mouz has played like 2 officials with their new lineup NiP made a change 1 month is also not even long enough to see a lineups true potential. The scene is shit since 2018? The scene has barely changed the top 8 aside from ence is the same. Jeez do you just live to complain?
2019-03-25 19:41
m16r xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-03-24 19:43
stopped reading at 2
2019-03-24 19:46
Ok forsaken
2019-03-25 10:34
Thought what this dude has been smoking to place ENCE 2nd, then noticed the flag and it all checked out
2019-03-24 19:46
He’s right though, liquid never won against ence
2019-03-24 19:50
Pretty random naming a team 2nd best in the world after 2 good events imo. If they have the consistency and they keep performing, sure, but currently they are not the 2nd best in the world. Also not 3rd, maybe 4th.
2019-03-24 19:59
#243
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Finland Teukkasd 
mad eestilane
2019-03-25 14:26
Not mad, just realistic and not delusional :D ENCE has exceeded everyone's expectations by far, however as i just said they need more than 2 good tournaments to be considered a top 3 team
2019-03-25 17:37
#270
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Finland Teukkasd 
so how many good lan tournaments they need? since you are professional and know everything
2019-03-25 17:40
They need about as many good tournaments as the 3 teams in the top 3 have had. Ofcourse it's not like they have to be in the final every tournament, but na'vi and liquid (astralis are just dominating by now, let's just not talk about them) have had pretty good performances and consistency for about half a year atleast. Ofcourse with some downs, just as ence wouldn't be out of the top 3 competition after just 1 failed lan event if they manage to do well again after it.
2019-03-25 17:43
astralis ence liquid s1mple can only do top4, rest is too shaky atm
2019-03-24 19:52
#64
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Europe DJkpot 
ence over liquid lulz
2019-03-24 19:57
Liquid nver beat ENCE?
2019-03-25 06:36
navi is 2nd
2019-03-24 19:59
#72
f0rest | 
Europe facecs 
gj mibr faze and not nip who reaped them in last torunaments and faze even more lul
2019-03-24 20:00
#73
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Spain Kyuuta 
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Na'vi 4. Ence 5. NiP 6. Mibr 7. Faze 8. Vitality 9. Nrg 10. C9
2019-03-24 20:01
#149
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United States Jammin800k 
Renegades?
2019-03-25 04:09
#185
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Spain Kyuuta 
Somewhere around 9/10/11, probably 11.
2019-03-25 09:20
#279
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United States Jammin800k 
How is c9 better than renegades then?
2019-03-25 19:35
#313
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Spain Kyuuta 
Now that flusha is missing probably not, but they were really strong before, and renegades tbh just had a run at the major. Either way now I think 9. NRG 10. RNG 11.C9
2019-03-25 20:25
#322
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United States Jammin800k 
Don't see how vitality can be considered better than RNG or nrg either. And they're my favorite team, just dont have the results yet.
2019-03-25 21:17
#327
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United States Jammin800k 
Renegades didnt just have a run. They looked like a completely new team. They all seem very comfortable inside and outside the server and have a solid approach to the game. Kassad and AZR also seem to be working incredibly well together and jks and jkaem are in form. It's a pretty scary lineup for any top 10 team to face rn.
2019-03-25 21:36
#328
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Spain Kyuuta 
Well, if the show off at the next tournament they'll probably be somewhere around 5. but for now, can't put them any higher, Vitality has the zywoo factor, if he has his monitor on and either Apex or nbk frag they win against any top 10 team (except heavy tacticians, Astralis obv), it's that easy
2019-03-25 21:43
#329
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Spain Kyuuta 
Same goes with NiP, but they are a bit more consistent and don't rely just on they stars, but if f0rest is feeling it they win. /close
2019-03-25 21:44
#330
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United States Jammin800k 
So renegades has actually shown potential and gotten decent results through tactics and teamplay And vitality has worse results and relies heavily on individuals And you think that means vitality are currently better than renegades? I'd like to believe what you just said, but I just watched vitality lose to north at ECS and NiP at the major so clearly it's not that easy.
2019-03-25 21:55
#331
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Spain Kyuuta 
Yeah, they surprised. We'll see when they are properly analized by teams. Let's wait till iem
2019-03-25 21:55
#333
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United States Jammin800k 
Could say that about both teams though. Neither has truly been studied by the current elite teams. "Let's just wait" is just a cop out. Were talking about the top teams "rn" why would we wait unless... you know you're wrong :O
2019-03-25 21:57
#334
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Spain Kyuuta 
Rn I'd say 8. Vitality 9. NRG/RNG 10. RNG/NRG /close
2019-03-25 21:59
#335
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United States Jammin800k 
And youd be delusional because vitality dont have the results or history to back that up. NRG has at least shown promise vs top 5 teams taking series of liquid faze and navi. And RNG made top 8 at the major, took a map off Astralis and beat Vitality. In no way is vitality currently better than RNG.
2019-03-25 22:01
#339
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Spain Kyuuta 
Just my opinion, I think they have great players, and can outperform RNG. NRG on the other hand has the best us talent rn excluding auti.
2019-03-25 22:29
#341
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United States Jammin800k 
Can=/= currently better
2019-03-25 23:09
#149
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United States Jammin800k 
Renegades?
2019-03-25 04:09
Nip and NRG LUL
2019-03-25 14:05
#240
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Spain Kyuuta 
North ??????
2019-03-25 14:17
what?
2019-03-25 14:20
#244
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Spain Kyuuta 
Tier 5 btw
2019-03-25 14:27
ehem, keep being delusional nip fanboy
2019-03-25 14:29
Godstralis Lolquid NaV3 ENC4 MIBR
2019-03-24 20:03
mibr lol
2019-03-25 14:05
#80
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Poland DaVarrix 
u forgot about devils.one
2019-03-24 20:08
Nt taz
2019-03-25 11:17
#237
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Poland DaVarrix 
Nt suomi
2019-03-25 14:09
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Ence 4. NaVi 5. NiP 6. Windigo 7. Vitality 8. Renegades 9. G2 10. North (???) ez
2019-03-24 20:13
- Nip and looks fine
2019-03-25 14:06
#88
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Vitality infront of G2 xD g2 with bodyy >> Vitality with Happy ( hltv.org/matches/2329696/vitality-vs-g2-.. ) g2 with bodyy < Vitality with Alex ( small margin, people have been overrating Vitality bc they did better in the major but with much better draws ) g2 with Amanek >>> Vitality with Alex
2019-03-24 20:14
#386
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United States Jammin800k 
Pure speculation. Also their losses were to Navi renegades and NiP, 3 playoff teams
2019-03-26 23:22
#89
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United States Den422 
1. Astralis rest doesnt matter but Liquid, ENCE, NaVi, Avangar only ones who win stuff now
2019-03-24 20:15
#92
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Other not_bad 
ast only wins, no one else
2019-03-24 20:18
#97
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United States Den422 
i meant win other small things and qualifiers etc
2019-03-24 20:26
#101
CeRq | 
Bulgaria Dupskray 
Avangar ?
2019-03-24 20:31
#103
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United States Den422 
they are better than FaZe, MiBR, C9 so
2019-03-24 20:32
#107
CeRq | 
Bulgaria Dupskray 
How ? mibr and faze have way more lans than avangar,losing 1-2 tournaments doesn't mean shit + mibr and faze are playing almost every time vs top teams!Avangar are playing most of the time vs t2-t3 teams
2019-03-24 20:38
#109
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Other not_bad 
and mibr loses to windigo and goes 0-10 in their home crowd
2019-03-24 21:01
#338
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United States Jammin800k 
That doesnt make avangar better than mibr
2019-03-25 22:19
#374
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Other not_bad 
???? Avangar, in form, is miles better than mibr.
2019-03-26 17:14
#382
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United States Jammin800k 
Cool let me know when they get there
2019-03-26 20:37
#387
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Other not_bad 
wtf is your point
2019-03-27 01:03
#388
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United States Jammin800k 
0/8
2019-03-27 02:25
#91
 | 
Other not_bad 
MIBR LULLLLLLLLLLLL
2019-03-24 20:18
#96
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
ence faze Vitality the joke is on you
2019-03-24 20:25
Lol everyone is overrating Ence its funny lol.
2019-03-24 20:29
Why do you consider it overrating? I'm very curious. In the past 3 months: Astralis 2nd - iBUYPOWER Masters 2019 (1-2 Liquid) 1st - IEM Katowice 2019 (Major) (2-0 ENCE) 1st - ECS Season 1st - Blast Pro Series São Paulo (5-0-0) (2-1 Liquid) Liquid 1st - iBUYPOWER Masters 2019 (2-1 Astralis) 5-8th - IEM Katowice 2019 (Major) (0-2 ENCE) 5-8th - ECS Season 7 North America Week 1 (1-2 Rogue) 2nd - Blast Pro Series São Paulo (1-2 Liquid) Natus Vincere 2nd - GG.BET ICE Challenge (0-2 North) 3-4th IEM Katowice 2019 (Major) (1-2 ENCE) ENCE 2nd - IEM Katowice 2019 (Major) (0-2 Astralis) 3rd - Blast Pro Series São Paulo (3-1-1) (Same as 2nd place, but less RD) NiP (5th for reference) 5-8th - IEM Katowice 2019 (0-2 Astralis) 2nd - ECS Season 7 Europe Week 1(0-2 Astralis) 4th - Blast Pro Series São Paulo (2-0-3) If we're really talking here, ENCE has a case to be #3 in the past 3 months. HLTV's system considers tournaments farther back than that however.
2019-03-24 22:58
I say this because they are still losing to teams like Sprout, Izako Boars, Vitality, and Uruguay.
2019-03-25 15:06
Could be many explanations or 'excuses' The important thing is they'll show up on LAN, they have younger players and probably need more time to reach a consistent level online after getting off LAN. That's how I see it, it is a common problem transitioning properly after so much LAN in such a short time.
2019-03-25 15:11
So I can say the same thing about their good placements. You say those other games where they lost to trash teams were flukes, but maybe their good runs were flukes and there actual level is below sprout...
2019-03-25 15:12
See it more in this way: ENCE were in Katowice for roughly a full month, a full month of LAN of the highest level. When you go back online, it is not uncommon to try what you just tried on LAN and fail because the small differences in how each works. It's not that players are bad, they're not accommodated to the differences. Generally you see a teams true level on LAN compared to Online. I mean teams like NiP are infamous for being far worse online than at LAN, does that mean they are a bad MDL level team? No.
2019-03-25 15:19
How do you determine that? That makes no sense. Some teams are better online, some are better on LAN. Who are you to say which one is their "True level". I don't think ENCE are a bad team, but they are nowhere near top 3. All I care about is results and they have only had 2 good events and then they lose to trash tier 4 teams.
2019-03-25 15:19
Again, NiP are a good example. Determine it by how they play against the top teams on LAN, I think frankly it's ridiculous to try and discredit them for some shitty online matches. Frankly ENCE have the skill to be a Top 4 team and need to becoming more consistent. People trying to underplay ENCE just playing well is ridiculous.
2019-03-25 15:35
Ence top 2 LMAO.
2019-03-24 20:30
#102
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Lithuania Tocha 
ENCE loooooooool , such an overrrated team :DD
2019-03-24 20:32
Every good team is 'overrated' at some point. I disagree with a #2 myself, but Top 3-4 isn't unreasonable considering 2019 tournaments.
2019-03-24 22:38
top 7 teams listening 8 nice math
2019-03-24 20:35
1. Astralis 2. Team Liquid 3. Natus Vincere 4. ENCE 5. Ninjas in Pyjamas 6. FaZe 7. MIBR
2019-03-24 21:11
My personal ranking +1
2019-03-24 22:36
Nice. Great minds think alike (or we're both stupid, lol).
2019-03-26 02:56
Hah. Maybe it's both, incredibly dumb minds do think alike.
2019-03-26 02:57
Uhhh guuhhh duhhh and the like.
2019-03-26 03:58
most accurate probably
2019-03-25 11:21
If you don't overrate teams, this should probably be your list. MIBR, FaZe, and NiP are all shaky at the moment, but I don't think any of the other current teams are at their level yet. If I were to round out the top 10, it would be 8. Renegades 9. NRG 10. Vitality/G2
2019-03-26 03:00
3. Ence/Navi 4. Ence/Navi Navi wont lose points cause they didnt attend on Blast but Ence lost 16-14 to Astralis and 15-15 against Liquid. Pretty hard to say, but the point difference with Navi and Ence isnt that high so...
2019-03-25 12:10
I can respect that. Navi has been looking pretty shaky anyways. I only put Navi at #3 because ENCE is overrated atm.
2019-03-26 02:54
nip shouldnt be in top 8, mibr and faze out of top 10
2019-03-25 14:06
I'm curious who you'd put in their place.
2019-03-26 02:55
Top 7 for Today. 1. Astralis (obviously) 2. Liquid (10/1/4) Matches only on Lan for year 2019. Win on Lan against Astralis that year + Final in Brazil let them stay on top 2. They need to be extremely careful because ENCE is approaching really fast! 3. Na'Vi (We can;t say too much about them that year. They didn't show them too many times, but we know how to s1mple and electronic pull the team, they are usually very good prepared for matches) 4. ENCE (11/1/5) Only Lan games for 2019. (Team is still Young, they are performing really good, but obviously, 1 run to the final is not enough to be top 2. Maybe if they would win against Liquid on Blast, than its all fine. For now top 4 is also an excellent result) The real issue is with Renegades, as we don't really see them much playing against the top teams... We can say that 5. NiP (Maybe due to a sentiment for forest, that is trying to stay on top but is it for real? They lost to Renegades in Katowice. They won against FaZe in Katowice and in São Paulo. Maybe they don't play anything special, but except the top 4 teams, they can play really good games against the rest.) 6. Renegades??? 7. MiBR (Even if they last performance is trash, i still think that they can get on a higher lvl, maybe they won't achieve top 5 but clearly they can perform much better than now. I did wrote in some threads that they are way too cocky, and they are disrespectful to other teams, if they can focus more on the game than just talking shit, and play some cs instead, than maybe they would give some show.) That is only my opinion from lan games that Year.
2019-03-24 21:52
This is a fair and respectable ranking. I don't know about Renegades, MIBR > FaZe myself though that seems ridiculous. FaZe have won a trophy (Albeit a T2 one) and have played far more good LAN this year than Renegades. Yes, MIBR placed higher at the major, but it isn't hard to think MIBR in their current form would've lost to Na'Vi as well and well, Liquid is still #2 despite going out in the Quarters. I just see a better argument for FaZe > Renegades/MIBR.
2019-03-24 22:33
Ofc this is a possibility. FaZe have arguments to be top 3. They need to change there thinking, same as MiBR. I do understand Your arguments, and i won't argue with that. Literally place 6 is open for business. There can be Renegades with a good performance in Katowice, but as they don't really compete against top teams i can add FaZe as number 6 and MiBR as number 7. The only thing that won't change is top5.
2019-03-25 11:24
Now THAT is something I agree with. Have a good day sir. Your opinion is great.
2019-03-25 12:16
Just to be clear do u mean if ence won 1 round more against liquid they would be top2 but now they are top4 in ur opinion?
2019-03-24 22:37
Yes my friend, because they would won a 2nd time with Liquid in a row, and they would play in the final against Astralis. Which would put them higher in the ranking for now. I am glad that there is still humans that think, read and can get out conclusions.. cheer
2019-03-25 11:15
well they didnt win and they didnt lose either, they also played against astralis already in blast (14-16) so ur talking about really really small detail to affect their rank that much
2019-03-25 11:19
They didn't lose, but Liquid played the final. Really small detail but made huge difference. ENCE could have won with Astralis? Maybe, we won't know that. Liquid lost to Astralis, but that draw against ENCE let them play in the Final. If You would have for example + 10 points for playing in the final, and nothing for non playing. Would it change?
2019-03-25 11:39
Okay interesting
2019-03-25 12:00
1. Astralis 2.-3. Liquid/Navi 4. Ence 5.-6. Renegades/Vitality 7. NIP Trust me
2019-03-24 22:37
-nip +g2/north
2019-03-25 14:07
Yeah sure, Faze and Vitality over NiP xD
2019-03-24 22:55
nip sucks
2019-03-25 14:07
Fan of north hahahaha
2019-03-25 14:39
nip sucks
2019-03-25 14:42
North sucks more
2019-03-25 14:42
nip sucks
2019-03-25 14:44
North sucks more
2019-03-25 14:45
NiP is better mibr , faze , vitality
2019-03-24 23:43
ENCE LOL
2019-03-25 03:31
1 Astralis no doubts 2 Liquid 3 Ence definitely 4 Na'Vi 5 NIP 6 Renegades 7 Everyone but mibr
2019-03-25 03:55
nip lol
2019-03-25 14:08
Astralis Liquid NAVI ENCE NIP MIBR FaZe Vitality AVANGAR
2019-03-25 05:40
Asstralis liquid ence navi renegades nip windigo 99.faze
2019-03-25 06:04
#156
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Germany LULTARES 
2. ENCE????
2019-03-25 06:05
Then who is better than them
2019-03-25 06:39
#162
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Hungary TiboRr 
Title: Top 7 Mentions 8
2019-03-25 06:34
I would have bet this listing is based from the recent major in Katowice, this seems a bit inaccurate
2019-03-25 07:28
#176
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Australia FlaKeXD 
imagine putting MIBR over NIP
2019-03-25 08:15
#177
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Sweden FraQQarN 
-Mibr +NiP
2019-03-25 08:25
Faze #5 LMFAO
2019-03-25 08:27
Men wtf where is NiP in Pyjamas
2019-03-25 08:30
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Na'Vi 4. ENCE 5. FaZe 6. NiP 7. MIBR 8. Renegaes 9. NRG 10. Vitality
2019-03-25 08:34
#181
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Sweden LynXelele 
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. ENCE 4. NaVi 5. NiP 6. FaZe 7. Renegades/MIBR
2019-03-25 08:34
NIP>>>> VITaLITY
2019-03-25 09:24
#187
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Rankings are retarded so is this topic Renegades is top 10 for getting 5-8th at major, other than that they havent achieved anything mibr,nip,faze hasnt achieved anything they just get invited to top tier events which gives them free ranking points
2019-03-25 09:28
1. Astralis 2. Na`Vi / Liquid 3. Liquid / Na`Vi 4. ENCE
2019-03-25 09:38
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. NaVi 4. ENCE 5. NiP 6. Renegades 7. FaZe 8. NRG 9. MiBR 10. Vitality
2019-03-25 10:23
+1
2019-03-25 10:27
Mibr is shit nrg much better then all 5-7
2019-03-25 10:35
#195
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Israel wetz 
Top 8*
2019-03-25 10:35
NiP > mibr , vitality , faze
2019-03-25 11:21
#209
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India Noobdian1 
Ikr
2019-03-25 11:34
#208
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Denmark Almoe 
everything overrating ence due to 1 event, smart hltv
2019-03-25 11:32
#210
Vodka | 
Bulgaria karucar 
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA ENCE AHAHAHAHAH
2019-03-25 11:34
#211
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India Noobdian1 
1. Astralis 2.Liquid 3. Ence 4. Navi 5. Nip 6. Faze 7.RNG 8. Mibr
2019-03-25 11:35
ence top4 nip top6 mibr top7
2019-03-25 12:22
Rng should be much higher
2019-04-02 12:10
#214
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Denmark ooe45 
Ence #2? And Renegades #6? Ence is #3 and Renegades is not that good. Still top 10 though
2019-03-25 11:54
#216
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Turkey Thunderball 
Ence 2 OMEGALUL
2019-03-25 12:02
Faze worse than RNG, but ya i agree but maybe put liquid above ENCE but idk
2019-03-25 14:03
Faze and mibr shouldnt be in top 10
2019-03-25 14:04
#248
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Europe Quinxxx 
MIBR LULULUL 0-10 HOME CROWD LOOOL
2019-03-25 14:40
#256
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Belgium KYC 
Hello where is the mouse
2019-03-25 15:14
out of top 7
2019-03-25 16:40
NIP > Vitality imo
2019-03-25 17:05
#273
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Malta xwinsus 
ENCE FANS ARE LOW IQ PROOF
2019-03-25 18:14
#288
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Austria epiXYZ 
NiP TOP5
2019-03-25 19:46
#310
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India AMKW 
7.vitality 8.mibr :)
2019-03-25 20:02
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Ence 4. Navi 5. NiP
2019-03-25 20:03
Liquid and ENCE are catching Astralis. Liquid and ENCE games will go both ways this year. One of them will eventually take down Astralis, but i feel like more ENCE than Liquid could keep it going on for longer.
2019-03-25 20:05
#355
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Finland decem 
name checks out.
2019-03-26 03:24
Tier 1 - Astralis, Liquid, Ence Tier 1,5 - NaVi Tier 2 - NiP, FaZe Tier 2,5 - Mibr, Vitality, Fnatic
2019-03-25 20:27
#315
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Flag checks out
2019-03-25 20:27
#320
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
1. Fnatic 2. MiBR 3. NaVi
2019-03-25 21:06
#323
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Pakistan XtraticX 
Agreed
2019-03-25 21:20
Flag checks out tbh
2019-03-25 21:21
furia is better than mibr
2019-03-25 21:21
Ence L U L
2019-03-25 21:56
9. VP without TOAO
2019-03-25 22:01
#346
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Sweden flayboy321 
NIP won against FaZe MIBR and Vitality but yeah :D
2019-03-26 00:31
Astralis Liquid Navi Ence Nip Faze other
2019-03-26 01:07
Top seven but you listed eight wadefak mens))
2019-03-26 02:00
#359
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United States MrFornino 
Faze is not top 5 atm unfortunately:(
2019-03-26 04:10
#364
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Portugal gazav 
I'm sorry, but nof Faze.
2019-03-26 06:51
what a fucking joke this is
2019-03-26 17:07
#373
XeqtR | 
Hong Kong wqnxy1 
> Top7 > 8 teams > why faze on a list?
2019-03-26 17:10
1. Astralis 2. Liquid 3. Ence 4. NaVi
2019-03-26 17:27
#392
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France t3r4byt3 
Astralis Liquid ENCE Na`Vi NiP FaZe MIBR
2019-03-27 06:17
#397
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Germany Laic 
G2 > Vitality
2019-03-27 17:14
Faze Sk Astralis Navi Immortals
2019-03-28 03:04
#409
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Korea dd9d1 
1. Astralis 2. Ence 3. Liquid 4. Navi 5. Faze 6. Renegades 7. Mibr 8. Vitality ENCE needs -1 or -2 so liquid is 2nd and navi 3rd Faze need -1 so renegades are higher Mibr need to be out of it altogether vitality can be +1 & then maybe add NRG or mousesports in another few months
2019-04-02 05:40
#412
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United States Jammin800k 
So what makes vitality better than MiBR, im a vitality fan and i cant logically justify that argument.
2019-04-02 06:09
#413
Jim^ | 
Korea dd9d1 
2019-04-02 06:39
#414
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United States Jammin800k 
Not sure what you're trying to show. Are you implying that vitality would have done better at those tournaments? Because that is pure speculation. They did worse at the major top 4 vs not making playoffs and thats really vitalitys only relevant tournament, rest are online or low tier.
2019-04-02 06:41
The fact that Renegades could potentially be considered a top 5 team at the moment is absolutely mind blowing to me.
2019-04-02 06:41
Mibr SUCKS, they are 30.
2019-04-02 09:20
ence top 2? AHAHAHHAAHA
2019-04-02 09:23
>top 7 >8. Vitality LUUUUUUL
2019-04-02 09:37
replace mibr with north :-)
2019-04-02 10:09
MiBR lol
2019-04-02 10:12
MIBR OMEGALUL
2019-04-02 10:12
Astralis, Liquid, Ence, NaVi, RNG, FaZe, NiP
2019-04-02 12:12
#435
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Ukraine FaZe_UW0TM8 
if fnatic continues to smash at star series i would say -mibr +fnatic
2019-04-02 12:13
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