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G2 VS Vitality
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
I will decide who is better. Whos map pool is better. Dust2 - G2 Overpass -Vitality Inferno - Vitality Train - G2 Mirage - Vitality Cache - G2 Nuke - G2 G2 4-3 Vitality Fire power ( as fire power , not in the roles. Zywoo > kennyS NBK < Shox Apex > Lucky RPK < jACKZ ALEX <<<<<<< Amanek G2 3-2 Vitality Best in roles IGL - NBK AWP - Zywoo Lurk - AMANEK Entry - APEX Support - neither team has gfood support g2 1-3 Vitality Better coach? Malek > XQTZZZZZ g2 1-0 Vitality Overall it is g2 9-8 vitality g2 > Vitality Confirmed
2019-03-24 16:20
nice
2019-03-24 16:24
aleksib so sexy
2019-03-24 16:24
+1
2019-03-24 17:02
+1
2019-03-25 12:11
#71
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Tunisia darkoplax 
+2 my dick agrees as well
2019-03-24 17:34
+1 lmao
2019-03-24 18:23
#168
shox | 
India iejesus 
+3
2019-03-25 04:53
#171
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Finland Wondernull 
+1
2019-03-25 04:54
+4
2019-03-25 05:21
+1 xd
2019-03-24 16:27
kennys awp>>>zywoo awp)))
2019-03-24 16:29
+1 Idk why is there so much hype about Zywoo's awping.
2019-03-24 16:58
idk why there is still much hype about kennyS awping either :D don't wanna hate but he is probably not even a top 10 awper in cs anymore
2019-03-27 04:01
#51
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
+1
2019-03-24 17:21
#69
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
+1
2019-03-24 17:32
+1 ZywOo is a riffler
2019-03-24 17:57
Not rly...
2019-03-24 18:16
#169
shox | 
India iejesus 
ofcs
2019-03-25 04:53
#211
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United Kingdom jMz86 
+1
2019-03-25 12:26
#5
shox | 
Poland MatiKK_ 
"IGL - NBK" rofl, amanek is the best french igl rn and JaCkz or Lucky aren't even close to be worse than apEX rn ;)
2019-03-24 16:32
#54
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Czech Republic QuertyX 
Shox is the igl tho Amanek was never an igl as well, Alex was
2019-03-24 17:22
#84
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France LanaRhoades 
Apex bad ? Are you fucking smoking weed ?
2019-03-24 18:07
#134
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France PowwneD 
Smoking weed don't make you thinking that apex is bad :(
2019-03-24 20:49
#223
shox | 
Poland MatiKK_ 
where did I say that apEX is bad? he is on the same lvl as Lucky and JaCkz rn ;)
2019-03-25 15:12
Lucky and JaCkz is bad so... apEX >>>> Lucky apEX >> JaCkz
2019-03-26 08:18
Lucky and jackz bad, OKKKKK. Ever seen a g2 match
2019-03-26 23:00
he's compare apEX to them lmao
2019-03-26 23:08
Wtf, are you high?
2019-03-24 18:09
Not sure if trolling or trolling
2019-03-24 18:16
#111
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France Maiwin 
It was ALEX the IGL in LDLC, and in G2 it's still Shox so... And Apex is far better than Lucky and JAckz for the moment, we will see in the future
2019-03-24 18:42
#6
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France arioneleven 
No more tournaments and delays and stuff like that We just give you the names of the two teams and you tell us the winner
2019-03-24 16:32
#7
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France SpooceCooke 
Made me chuckle
2019-03-24 16:32
Vitality's nuke is better than G2's if not equal. The rest I agree.
2019-03-24 16:34
#21
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
2019-03-24 16:57
#236
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France PowwneD 
A match that have been made 3 month ago with 4/5 players for each lineup... This result is irrelevant. We can't see which team is the most powerful right now. Charleroi Esport will tell us more about that but for now it's just useless speculation. Just enjoy the two best French teams becoming stronger and stronger
2019-03-26 08:05
G2 defeated Vitality on Nuke with botyy
2019-03-24 16:58
#237
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France PowwneD 
With Happy
2019-03-26 08:05
Vitality's nuke sucks.
2019-03-24 17:04
#135
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France PowwneD 
Lol From the guy who has the less credit of HLTV
2019-03-24 20:50
But it's true m8
2019-03-24 23:15
#155
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France PowwneD 
They were bad lately but still it's has been a strong map for them, G2 would never pick Nuke against them cause it's a very technical map such as Overpass and Train (which they worked on it and are good but which is also the permaban of Vitality) and they need to get more time to be comfortable and 100% confident with Amanek. Overpass would be a good 3rd map for each side. I'm beginning to be hyped by this new French derby since both team on and a positive curse and I hope it will continue because French CS always been the more competitive with this high level rivalry.
2019-03-25 02:31
#170
shox | 
India iejesus 
lmao
2019-03-25 04:54
#86
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France LanaRhoades 
Vitality's Nuke sucks , their T side is awful they didn't even beat N♿♿♿♿♿rth on this map i'm fucking ashamed about this lost.
2019-03-24 18:08
Vitality can play Nuke just in CT side while G2 have a pretty decent T side in Nuke, and a very good CT side, so g2's nuke > vit's
2019-03-25 02:37
G2's Nuke is much better, vitality's nuke sucks
2019-03-26 23:01
#9
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Right now Shox is entrying as a igl and holy shit he is averaging a 1.51 rating in the last 9 maps. You dont see pure entries get these kind of fucking stats hltv.org/stats/lineup/players/openingkil.. Success ratio in openings almost as good as Kenny's who is awping >>>> apex And im not sure about your coach pick
2019-03-24 16:42
#19
HUNDEN | 
India HarshK 
i actually think AMANEK is taking over as IGL, which would explain why shox has started doing so well. I know they said he was gonna support shox but I think he's the sole IGL now
2019-03-24 16:56
#41
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France 0racle 
information was denied by french casters who have inside knowledge shox is still igl
2019-03-24 17:07
#46
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Shox is still the main caller im sure but he should have more than enough help now from both amanek and lucky if he allows it. They should still have him entry a little less though, he is the bet at 2nd entrying and is one of the best clutchers ever in csgo so 29% at entries is a little too much hltv.org/stats/lineup/players/openingkil..
2019-03-24 17:10
2019 shox top 10 lets go :)))
2019-03-24 20:52
Some people say amanek now take over more of the igl if its nuke/train which is why theyve been playing it more there and shox has been a god at those maps because he can play more freely without igl-ing too much
2019-03-25 04:47
#204
Twistzz | 
Korea Jew2K 
Yeah that's what I heard. Shox still calls, but amanek does most of the mid round calling so when shit gets intense, shox can just focus on his crosshair
2019-03-25 11:27
No its just shox being in the entry trio most the time that give a more efficient leading, he also still lurks sometimes to make them less predictible. Amanek probably second lead and giving ideas
2019-03-26 23:05
#47
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Mexico evm 
JaCkz is main entry, shox goes in 2nd.
2019-03-24 17:15
#64
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Nope, look at the attempts, in defaults he is taking the first duel mostly. In executes he does it as often as jackz
2019-03-24 17:25
well zywoo is better than kennyS but comparing only the awp idk kennys style more impactful atleast
2019-03-24 16:40
#238
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France PowwneD 
Imo Kenny miss way more shots than ZywOo.
2019-03-26 08:07
No, kennyS can play much more impactful with the awp and he can risk much, zywoo not rlly.
2019-03-26 23:04
#274
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France PowwneD 
You didn't saw ZywOo in GODmode maybe
2019-03-26 23:12
ZywOo is a better player but kennyS is a better awper
2019-03-24 16:50
+1 also nuke is one of vitality's better maps prob better than g2
2019-03-24 16:52
#27
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
2019-03-24 16:59
Lmao what have you been smoking ? Vitality's Nuke sucks.
2019-03-24 17:05
nvm I guess u are right, I remembered an interview from iem kato where they said they had a good nuke and it's been stuck with me ever since, tho i havent seen g2 play on nuke much (against good teams)
2019-03-24 18:16
I mean, if you look at their performance on Nuke at the major, they kinda sucked. And yeah, the last time i saw G2 playing Nuke was against Vitality in the end of 2018
2019-03-24 18:49
#205
Twistzz | 
Korea Jew2K 
+1 kenny shut down ZywOo the last time they played
2019-03-25 11:28
+1
2019-03-25 19:47
thanks for you analysis mister Thorin
2019-03-24 16:51
#28
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
you are welcome , thoorin here
2019-03-24 16:59
you think jackz better than rpk you fucking uk dog go fuck off this site kid know nothing about csgo
2019-03-24 18:15
#172
shox | 
India iejesus 
Facts hurt
2019-03-25 04:56
#14
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
As a player Zywoo > kennyS atm, as a Awper kennyS>Zywoo
2019-03-24 16:52
You mistakenly thought you could decide who is better. Whos map pool is better. Dust2 - G2 Overpass - Vitality Inferno - Vitality Train - G2 Mirage - Vitality Cache - G2 Nuke - G2 G2 4-3 Vitality Fire power ( as fire power , not in the roles). Zywoo > kennyS ALEX < Shox ApeX > Lucky RPK < Amanek NBK > JaCkz G2 2-3 Vitality Best in roles IGL - NBK AWP - Zywoo Lurk - shox Entry - APEX Support - neither team has good support g2 1-3 Vitality Better coach? Malek > XQTZZZZZ G2 1-0 Vitality Team stability Vitality -Happy +ALEX G2 -ex6 -smithzzz -bodyy +Lucky +JaCkz +Amanek +role swap and still IGL issues G2 1-4 Vitality International experience G2: shox + KennyS Vitality: NBK + Apex + RpK G2 2-3 Vitality Raw potential star(s) player(s): Zywoo + Apex > Shox + KennyS G2 1-2 Vitality Overall it is g2 12-18 vitality Vitality 50% better than G2 confirmed
2019-03-24 16:54
#35
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
nah
2019-03-24 17:04
#49
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
Fire power ( as fire power , not in the roles). Zywoo > kennyS ALEX < Shox ApeX > Lucky RPK < Amanek NBK > JaCkz You compared these roles with wrong people Amanek > ALEX ( co-igl, mid round players) Shox > NBK ( igl, entry trio) Jackz > RPK (Ancor on CT, entry trio) Team stability is irelevant as we are comparing current rosters. And it only shows g2 make neccasary changes and will continue to do so Star potentials Every player on g2 can carry maps, they all have start potential, cant say the same for ALEX or RPK who will retire soon. Coach We have NO EVIDENCE of XQTZZZZ being a good coach, he doesnt do interviews or publicise what he does like malek. so based of the evidence we have to assume Malek is better because there is more vidence of him giving tactical input in interviews etc. Overall g2 win
2019-03-24 17:19
> Fire power ( as fire power , not in the roles) > You compared these roles with wrong people Pick one Firepower =\= roles
2019-03-25 02:28
#214
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United Kingdom jMz86 
He is comparing the firepower of the people in the same roles but not the role itself. That's really not difficult to understand mate.
2019-03-25 12:32
G2 look better since amanek came in, and if you look back when he came to LDLC he had a lot of impact on the teamplays and mental strength. Just what G2 needed. For that choice Malek made a better decision than Zuper(manager) and Xtqzzz. Malek also brung Jacks and Lucky, i think he knows what a team need and how to manage them even if for some french fan he shouldnt be here (KRL's fan for a big part)
2019-03-25 12:24
#173
shox | 
India iejesus 
xaxaxaxaxaxaxa just trynna show vitality > so fucking desperate xD
2019-03-25 04:57
Actually I believe G2 might be better, so because with RpK it’s mostly 4v5. But just wanted to show, how adding shit up, you can « prove » any theory
2019-03-25 08:32
#203
shox | 
India iejesus 
yeah but i could agree to those rather than yours.
2019-03-25 11:24
#239
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France PowwneD 
RpK underrated
2019-03-26 08:09
+1 i like both but basing on the last G2's matches, they're looking good, they are going to be beasts if shox let time to this team
2019-03-25 12:25
#16
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France LanaRhoades 
Kenny is better than Zywoo with awp , zywoo is better with rifles
2019-03-24 16:54
#18
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France LanaRhoades 
BTW , XTQZZZ is a better coach , tactical , mental , just better for vitality. Malek is good for g2 tho , but XTQZZZ is a better coach.
2019-03-24 16:55
#23
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Europe Ru1n 
+1
2019-03-24 16:57
Also wanted to say this but then say your comment only Malek has more experience but xqtzzz should not be underrated
2019-03-24 17:02
Yes but he (and zuper) made a first mistake by picking Alex over amanek because of friendship.
2019-03-25 12:28
#224
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France LanaRhoades 
I prefer amanek in g2 than on Vitality. And i prefer ALEX in Vitality than in g2. This is all about chemistry and work. They are finding their way day by day. Don't worry
2019-03-25 15:48
#159
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United States Jammin800k 
And pistols and +1 about XTQZZZ
2019-03-25 02:43
+1
2019-03-26 23:04
?????? -ALEX +GODISBALANCE VITALITY TOP0.1
2019-03-24 16:55
#20
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Europe Ru1n 
xqtzzz is way better than malek, kenny>zywoo (awp)
2019-03-24 16:56
#22
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Brazil bernog 
kennyS > zywoo
2019-03-24 16:57
You need to compare people for their roles Apex/Jackz as entry NBK/shox as lead ZyWoo/Kennys awp/star player ALEX/Lucky support/2nd call RpK/Amanek riffle
2019-03-24 16:58
#44
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
jACKZ hasnt even been playing entry role untill amanek joined There is no 1 support for g2 they all do it at differnt times RPK and jackz are playing similar CT roles so they were the closest to compare
2019-03-24 17:09
#67
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Shox is pure entrying atm + igl I'd say Lucky is the support currently hltv.org/stats/lineup/players/openingkil..
2019-03-24 17:30
#244
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
No lucky is entrying, just dies all the time and shox trades him, so lucky is like taco, selfless entry
2019-03-26 08:46
#246
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
No, read these stats again, their deaths per round inn entry duels and their attempts, hltv.org/stats/lineup/players/openingkil..
2019-03-26 12:44
#29
France Uexo 
nuke vitality > g2
2019-03-24 17:01
#240
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France PowwneD 
If you are able to say that G2 have a better Nuke than Vitality by arguing with a match that has been made 3-4 month ago and with 4/5 players for each lineup is very relevant on your argumentative skill.
2019-03-26 08:13
#243
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
was just an example, if you watch vitality and g2 play, g2 is claearly better on that map. g2 have 100% win rate last 3 months cant say the same for vitality
2019-03-26 08:45
#247
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France PowwneD 
Lul. G2 played 3 times nuke last 3 month, yes they won the 3. Vitality was almost 100% also, just lose to North 14-16 (what a shame!). If you can say by this stats that G2 is CLEARY superior to Vitality on Nuke is that you need to open eyes a little bit more.
2019-03-26 15:02
#249
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
it is close, i admit but g2 is better it can be argued both ways we all have our opinions
2019-03-26 17:33
#251
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France PowwneD 
Yeah you said they are Cleary superior now you said it's close. You are not really objective dude.
2019-03-26 17:34
Did you've seen the matches from g2? They had clearly no problems
2019-03-26 23:10
#276
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France PowwneD 
3 match isn't enough to see if they are superior or not, arguing with a match with 4/5 players of each lineup and played 4 month ago make no sence and Vitality just lose against North so I just say that nobody can say that G2 is superior on Nuke than Vitality
2019-03-26 23:14
xtqzzzzzzz > malek it's obvious
2019-03-24 17:03
+1
2019-03-24 17:07
What a misjudge! Jackz and Shox are entry, lucky is support. And Jackz>apEX atm at entrys. kennyS better AWPer. Also XQTZZZZZ better coach and G2s support has been good in DH qualifiers.
2019-03-24 17:03
#39
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
Theres no individual support player, they all do it in differnt situations thjats why i didnt include it
2019-03-24 17:06
Yep. I agree that flashes are provided by everyone but lucky is more of support. See his positioning. Everyone has a active role except Lucky.
2019-03-24 17:08
#50
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
kinda true, he is a CT ancor and 1st entry on t-side. I guess he is the closeest thing they have to support, but he can also be a carry player which is why i dont consider him support
2019-03-24 17:21
He is great carry and thats why I don't want a single change in this lineup. Lucky is so good in clutch situations.
2019-03-24 17:22
#250
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
i see we came to an agreement, lucky is support but all clutch god
2019-03-26 17:34
+1 the chemistry seems good with this lineup, every one doing his job, shox and kennys look stronger than last 2 years, better motivation etc. Cant wait to see them play again !
2019-03-26 23:13
#40
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
jACKZ hasnt even been playing entry role untill amanek joined so iots too early to judge
2019-03-24 17:07
My conclusions are from DH qualifiers as are yours about map pools,etc and I'm telling about recent form.
2019-03-24 17:09
#98
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France LanaRhoades 
Jackz is a beast ! His level is insane
2019-03-24 18:22
#100
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
his aim is ridiculous, hes basically the french ropz
2019-03-24 18:23
#120
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
His deag is so nuts, the best FR deagle player currently and if he shows some of that vs t1 soon he will be up there with lekro, twistzz, niko, dupreeh... His deagle is really really insane, he has the strafing pin pointed down so well and his aim is very mechanical. He lqcks some gamesense and especially effective flashes but he will improve that over time.
2019-03-24 18:52
#160
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah his issues stem from decision making and utility his mechanics are great
2019-03-25 02:44
Bump
2019-03-24 17:03
G2 Cache > Vitality Cache? 0\8 Shox > NBK? 0\8 Shox should fucking retire, he is sucks.
2019-03-24 17:18
#55
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
i think shox is really good as a fragger hltv.org/matches/2331998/avangar-vs-g2-d.. but not as an IGL
2019-03-24 17:22
#73
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Tunisia darkoplax 
can some1 explain why people write 0/8 ?
2019-03-24 17:38
This is probably a bait but I’ll help anyways 0/8 is a rating for a bait on HLTV. 0/8 means that it is a bad bait and you can tell that it is a bait. The user who said 0/8 is implying that the OP is full of shit/trying to get responses from someone
2019-03-24 17:47
#82
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Tunisia darkoplax 
ah k thanks , i'm genuinely asking cause new around here ... i thought 0/8 means you got 0 rounds in the casual in CSGO since it's 8 rounds only
2019-03-24 18:03
#121
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Its a bait rating and it only goes up to 8 ( unlike usual from 1-10 ) because the word bait sounds like b-eight. So its like i r8 your b8 0/8 Also ive been seeing you around as one of the most loyal fans out there ( if ure the real g2 darkoplax from twitter ) , really respect your passion and have in mind that fans like these keep the players going.
2019-03-24 18:57
#139
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Tunisia darkoplax 
thanks m8 , that's me from twitter and reddit as well
2019-03-24 22:11
#97
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France LanaRhoades 
"Shox should fucking retire he is suck" *look at last 3 monthes and top20 rating* *Seeing that shox is in top 15*(or 10 i don't remember) *Comeback to his reply* The answer is NO. Dumbass
2019-03-24 18:21
it's hard to have +- good rating playing in team with tier 4 players. Shox is tier 2.5
2019-03-24 18:43
#124
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France LanaRhoades 
Zywoo Apex tier 4 players NT. Btw RPK's aim = God tier and ALEX below skillwise but he work hard
2019-03-24 19:07
2019-03-24 20:58
#140
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France LanaRhoades 
Yeah 1.16 rating 2.0 ranked #10 hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01..
2019-03-24 22:49
online against tier 5 teams, put the lan filter and show me where he is
2019-03-24 22:51
#145
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France LanaRhoades 
>FILTER : TOP 20 TEAMS > AGAINST TIER 5 TEAMS. In LAN he played with old g2 , with old role and if you know there was problem with roles in old g2 :) + IGL that's why he is underperforming , btw calling shox an onliner is .. wtf ?? Lol shox has never been an onliner he is a legend of CS
2019-03-24 22:55
thats the reason why i hate g2, their fans are so delusional and believe in bullshit stuff... where is chuckyy btw? we didnt see his weekly thread " g2 will win the major"
2019-03-24 22:58
#149
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France LanaRhoades 
Replies need actual content , there is fucking proof , how i am fucking delusional , why you talk about chuckyy i'm LanaRhoades.
2019-03-24 22:59
no you are not lana ;(
2019-03-24 23:07
#150
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France LanaRhoades 
BTW , when g2 will win big events or majors (in few monthes don't worry , maybe next major but astralis too stronk so i don't think they will win) you will all suck the chuckyy's Dick , trashtalk him now before it's too late
2019-03-24 23:01
#207
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France 0racle 
>hating a team because of their fans >believing not all fans are the same overall >being triggered by an obvious trollposter like chuckyy
2019-03-25 11:34
#146
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France LanaRhoades 
Btw on your filter he has played only 5 maps and he lost 4 maps on these 5 maps lol , it's normal that he has such a bad rating , Nice try tho.
2019-03-24 22:56
#148
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France LanaRhoades 
hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2019-01.. 1.15 rating BTW :DD but it's against tier 5 But on LAN. 1.16 rating vs top 20 but ONLINE. He has good rating tho so doesn't matter
2019-03-24 22:58
#52
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Belgium Ex666TenZ 
Lord Ex6TenZ > G2 > ZyWootality
2019-03-24 17:21
#56
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
+1
2019-03-24 17:22
#125
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France LanaRhoades 
That's why he is in uruguay with shit players (only scream good)
2019-03-24 19:08
#133
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Belgium Ex666TenZ 
fan of zywootality
2019-03-24 20:45
mistake
2019-03-24 22:51
#165
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Belgium Ex666TenZ 
nope
2019-03-25 04:24
+1
2019-03-24 22:55
#53
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France mat660 
+1 BUT Kenny is better than zywoo . Amanek is not an entry fraggers (it's Jackz) Jackz is very good . I think both are good (Apex and Jackz) Lucky is a good support Malek is a goat .
2019-03-24 17:23
#59
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
+1 , I think kenny is better AWP then Zywoo but not better player
2019-03-24 17:23
#62
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France mat660 
Lately KennyS was so good with an AK . I think Zywoo is too young to be better than Kenny
2019-03-24 17:25
#96
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France LanaRhoades 
Imo they have the same level but kenny has proven himself already by far , zywoo has to prove himself , because the major wasn't enough to evaluate his level against tier 1 teams
2019-03-24 18:19
#113
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France mat660 
Yes , and lately I found kennyS more constant . Imo zywoo is on a "trouble" periods .
2019-03-24 18:46
#127
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France LanaRhoades 
Yes , zywoo's rating is at 1.35 lately (best rating) but he was at 1.43 before , a -0,08 rating is huge but i think it's because of their losses and NBK , Apex stepping up
2019-03-24 19:10
#131
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France mat660 
Yep , I think too
2019-03-24 19:19
#102
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
is it Lucky as main entry, followed by Shox and jackz now
2019-03-24 18:25
Very good, but G2 would still lose against Vitality
2019-03-24 17:22
#70
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
They beat them with bodyy while Vitality had Happy G2 made a much more significant change so i guess the gap is even bigger G2 with bodyy >> Vitality with Happy G2 with bodyy < Vitality with Alex G2 with Amanek >>> Vitality with Alex
2019-03-24 17:33
#103
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
you are a genius, this is perfectly how i would describe these two teams
2019-03-24 18:26
#162
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah lets base their entire skill level 3 months after a bo3 by arbitrary increments based on who they added and not their actual form and play.
2019-03-25 02:49
#179
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Their form and results are what i based this comparison on. Roster change is just a + which would reason my observations. And i strongly believe that i am correct, tell me where i was wrong
2019-03-25 06:06
#61
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France iNolake 
XTQZZZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malek
2019-03-24 17:24
#63
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France mat660 
+1 True
2019-03-24 17:25
#66
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France iNolake 
le divin chauve > all
2019-03-24 17:30
#72
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France mat660 
Et son regard perçant !
2019-03-24 17:34
On what do you base your "Malek > XQTZZZZZ" on?? +Useless comparaison as 90% of the supporters of G2 support vita and vice versa
2019-03-24 17:26
#164
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United States Jammin800k 
Damn true RUN FRENCH
2019-03-25 02:56
+1 allez les bleus
2019-03-26 23:20
XTQZZ >>> maLeK for sure
2019-03-24 17:32
vitality are better on d2 imo.
2019-03-24 17:52
+1
2019-03-24 17:56
#104
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
They are definatly not, g2 probably has a top 5 dust2 in the game atm. They have literally figured out the map and can rek most teams on it, vitality would get smahed on d2 by g2
2019-03-24 18:27
vitality have better win% with more games played on it. the only good thing about g2 on dust2 is kenny lol.
2019-03-24 18:46
g2 is better, in overall, only zwyoo is really good on vita
2019-03-24 17:53
#77
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Portugal Benjff 
you forgot that Vitality has WiPR his an incredible analyst and recently Vitality has been better in results than G2 so we can t really compare can t wait to see them fighting against on a big tournament
2019-03-24 17:55
#90
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France LanaRhoades 
No , g2 has better results , Vitality lost to North , it's a BIG lose , they will not qualify to ECS + North is a fucking noob team i don't understand how they manage to lose that match. But #VForVictory even if after this lost i'm a lot disappointed , they did good.
2019-03-24 18:14
#92
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France LanaRhoades 
EDIT : Also vitality seems to have improve their good maps but they have too many bad maps. So it's a good point but a bad point at the same time for the short term but when they will work their bad maps it will be good.
2019-03-24 18:15
#80
Bo | 
France dyyG2 
rofl
2019-03-24 17:58
G2 has 5 decent/good players Vitality has 1 good player and 4 washups
2019-03-24 18:01
#88
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France LanaRhoades 
G2 has 5 very good players Vitality has 2 very good players 1 good player and 2 bots. G2 is better since amanek is here imo. Vitality can still be a top 5 team imo , but if they want to be a top 1 team , so they'll have to kick rpk (not ALEX cuz even he whiffs many shots he is working hard , and he is impactful , he will do better)
2019-03-24 18:12
#105
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
Ranking the players Zywoo KennyS Shox NBK Amanek jACKZ Lucky Apex rpk ALEX G2>VIT
2019-03-24 18:29
this is someone who doesnt watch cs voicing a shit opinion.
2019-03-24 18:47
NBK needs to be damn near the bottom. He’s only good against tier 282711 teams when they’re already crushing them.
2019-03-24 19:13
#258
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Nah, with the newest g2 and shox entrying so far you cant put him below Kenny, he is by far the best rated in these 12 maps with the new team by the latest results its Zywoo Shox Kenny Apex ( also how the f do u put nbk instead of him here ) Amanek Jackz NBK Lucky Rpk alex
2019-03-26 21:05
since whedn dxo you say positive things about G2 ?
2019-03-24 18:49
I try to be objective when talking about teams/fans. They (finally) made an intelligent roster move and it’ll be interesting to see how it pans out. Granted, I still think they should’ve picked up ScreaM and kio when they were both free agents, but I could understand why they picked up new talent and it seems to be working well thus far. It’ll be interesting to see how this lineup goes long term.
2019-03-24 19:11
Jackz and amanek have proven themselves. They are at least as good if not’better Than k1o and scream And they are young. Bringing young guns into French scene was indeed the right move and Jackz, lucky, ZyWOo and amanek at this level actually don’t disappoint. K1o should go to vitality instead of Alex. ScreaM is washed up
2019-03-25 11:23
Proven themselves is too early to say imo. G2 has been mediocre for the entirety that they have been on the team. The addition of amanek seems promising thus far and they all looked much sharper, however, I’d like to see them against consistent top teams and maintain that level before I’m sold on them. At worst, they are average. FWIW prior to to the addition of amanek there was a noticeable amount of people calling for -jackz or -lucky and calling out how it should’ve been kio/ScreaM added instead. I’d be surprised if they kicked Alex this early since they just added him. No one really shines on that team except zywoo against actual top competition (I’m not talking about tier 261718). I’m not a fan of vitality and I don’t want it to happen but adding kio would definitely Ke them better. I agree, ScreaM is a bit washedup as of now. However, I think a lot of it has to do with constantly getting the short end of the stick and not playing with the best players. I think his performance is highly contingent on playing with players he has great chemistry with. He’s not a s1mple where he’d likely thrive on any team.
2019-03-25 12:28
We cannot compare quite yet, I will say I'm happy to see the squad looking better though. I'm still stunned that neither team has kioshima, there is literally the best support player in france open, if not one of the better rifles and awps recently. It is mindblowing no one would want him still.
2019-03-24 18:05
#107
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
kIo is probasbly a top 5 player in france atm, oit would be good move for either team to get him
2019-03-24 18:30
Exactly, hence why it's crazy no one has picked him up yet.
2019-03-24 18:40
#278
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United States Jammin800k 
Because it clearly is and has been a personality clash issue.
2019-03-26 23:23
#108
kennyS | 
United Kingdom Thijo 
+1 Vitality should -RpK +kioShiMa imo or -JaCkz/Lucky + kioShiMa if it’s G2
2019-03-24 18:30
+1 I agree to that.
2019-03-24 18:40
why would you remove jackz RN ? he is playing crazy
2019-03-24 18:51
#122
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
I dont think g2 will be making any changes now, throughout these 12 maps that thry played with Amanek, Lucky is the worst rated player who still is a great player id you watch the matches, he is supporting now and is so smart, solid and good in clutches, Lucky as the worst player tells enough about how potentially good this team can be. G2 are looking to be much better than Vitality with amanek which brings more firepower, relief for shox igl and much better defined roles to fit the players. Dont forget they literally had no time to develop and practice and they are looking so much better right off the bat But if Vitality added Kioshima things would get interesting again and we could see both of the French teams in the top 10!
2019-03-24 19:04
#132
kennyS | 
United Kingdom Thijo 
I still think if the French want to win tournaments again then they should make another superteam with a mix of these two teams, I mean if you just glance at these rosters you say “kennyS and ZywOo” immediately, apEX is always a candidate for a world beating team, shox is looking his old self again, NBK will never not be a good team player, and is an ok IGL, kioShiMa is probably in the top 5 best french players right now, which for his role is amazing, and then you have these less experienced up and coming players like Lucky or AmaNEk. I would also like to see shox and ScreaM reunite on a French team again, to see if they can roll back the years to 2016 when they were easily the deadliest duo in the whole game. So much potential for the scene even with it being “dead” in 2018, I just hope all the players can get over any qualms they have about each other and just get french CS to the top again
2019-03-24 19:21
#158
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France PowwneD 
That would immediately kill the scene. French CS never looked so shiny since 2016, and it has to continue. G2 seems to have their missing piece to go on a good way and Vitality is trashed talked whereas they done excellent results and still has some work and ameliorations to do. Even a third team would be competitive at Tier 2-3 with Kio Logan Devoduvek and some other French's (bodyy happy scream...) but a team need to stick some month together before seeing the real limits
2019-03-25 02:40
+1. People expect a team to win a major when they just teamed up with new teammates??? its like bruh, astralis was together from the start of 2016 was it??? and won a major 2017 but fluked the rest of the year, then kept practising and look at them now
2019-03-25 05:15
#218
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France PowwneD 
Yes
2019-03-25 14:57
Malek over XQTzzz you dreaming, malek is the worst coach ever, so annoying in Lan trying to massage players T_T btw now G2 is fixed with amanek, Vita needs to get rid of ALEX maybe hadji
2019-03-24 18:07
#89
kennyS | 
United Kingdom Thijo 
kennyS > ZywOo
2019-03-24 18:13
yes
2019-03-24 18:24
#123
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Nah, as a g2 fan and someone who was there in Kenny's peak im sure Zywoo is currently a better player, Kenny has a higher peak and is slowly improving from his 2018 slump but he isnt on his level yet.
2019-03-24 19:06
#161
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United States Jammin800k 
Kenny had a higher peak*. Zywoo is literally the biggest talent to hit the scene since s1mple
2019-03-25 02:46
#187
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
It's very clear that youre biased towards Vitality, this topic i can judge objectively since i was never fond of Kenny and ive been giving him shit lately. Zywoo isnt nearly as skilled as Kenny was in his prime. Also Zywoo' s playstyle and focus points are much different and thus you cant directly compare their peeks, but for me Kenny was the better player ( you can only do it by rating, but it doesnt tell the whole story ) Kenny at his prime was just way too skilled and fast, Zywoo on the other hand is around average mechanically ( even olof said it in a interview by betway ), Zywoo plays the game to perfection, he also has a very good reaction time and he knows how to use it but the main focus of his game is his position and read of the game. Also NiKo is more talented than S1mple. Shox, F0rest are more talented by him too, S1mple is very talented but not on their level, s1mple is like cr7, the biggest hardworker, he literally has 7k more hours in csgo than Shox for example, 2x as much.
2019-03-25 06:23
#225
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United States Jammin800k 
None of what I said is biased though. In 2019 zywoo is performing better than any other French player. Hes facing the same level of competition and having bigger and more consistent impact that Kenny.
2019-03-25 19:28
#106
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Russia MonkeyEzzz 
0/8
2019-03-24 18:30
#116
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Europe zero_hoes 
both trash and wont win a tournament ever so it doesnt really matter
2019-03-24 18:49
you are so wrong man... vitality is way better than this G2 roster
2019-03-24 19:09
How do you know that? They just changed it and have won almost every map so far(online qualifier but still.)
2019-03-25 07:36
nbk IGL --> joke
2019-03-24 19:15
I mean he didnt say he was good. Just better than shox
2019-03-25 05:10
We will see in the future, but at moment shox much better than nbkcry. G2 have interesting and pleasant game, Vitality have just ... Zywoo but no game
2019-03-25 07:03
As a G2 fan I would have to say NBK > SHOX, Skill wise SHOX > NBK
2019-03-25 19:41
in everything shox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nbk since 10 years
2019-03-25 22:44
Well, to be fair, We havent really seen NBK igl that much. but im not gonna change your opinion have a good day
2019-03-26 03:47
He tried at the beginning of LDLC and failed then tried in Envy twice and failed he tried in G2 and failed so yes we saw him. In Vitality game is not good in Terro . Results are average and victory only because on CT side and ... power of Zywoo
2019-03-26 12:08
When did he try In LDLC when did He try in ENVY Yes he tried in G2 and I wouldnt call it a fail as he only had what 2-3 months with the team.
2019-03-26 21:01
You replied to yourself. If you watch thoorin interview from 2015/16 forget which NBK states he how he was Main igl then also talks about coigl. At the very LEAST he has been coigl for YEARS. People pretend as though that’s just a title and you don’t do anything with it. NBK has had plenty of time igl imo.
2019-03-26 21:05
Yes, thats my bad on my half. But to be fair, hes not a bad IGL, I mean hes not good like Glaive but hes not half shit
2019-03-26 21:06
I’ll admit as much as I dislike NBK I agree his igl is not bad. I still think he’s a garbage player who can only frag against tier 27172 and has been carried for the past 3 years (KennyS/apex/zywoo). And as I said people act as if he had no experience as igl despite Doing it since 2015/16 and playing the game for the longest time and exposure to other igl’s
2019-03-26 23:32
I agree with most of this, He is a trash player. But I dont agree with the IGL for the 2015-16 era.
2019-03-27 00:22
Why is that? Does being main igl briefly then coigl for years count for nothing?
2019-03-27 01:50
Because he never IGL for LDLC/ENVY. What dont you understand. I will believe you if you give Evidence. But just because you want to say he was igl doesnt mean shit
2019-03-27 03:49
You didn’t watch the thoorin interview I mentioned did you.
2019-03-27 10:44
Did you link me? No. I'm not gonna go find your own evidence for you
2019-03-27 18:56
#137
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France StickyRice 
malek > XTQZZ ? LOL ?
2019-03-24 20:56
#143
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United Kingdom RannarrCSGO 
on paper maybe but then lets see what happens on LAN
2019-03-24 22:51
#151
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France FrighTyyy 
It's funny to see people judging Vitalulty by their MDL matches against tier10 teams.
2019-03-24 23:07
#163
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United States Jammin800k 
What about them being a map away from legends?
2019-03-25 02:52
#180
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Yeah but at the same time what about them almost losing a bo3 to ViCi and losing to Tyloo? Worst perormance for g2 was against ence and avangar who eventually got Legends. Vitality played overtime vs NaVi while g2 los Objectively g2 and Vitality were definitely on a similar level in the major.
2019-03-25 06:09
#181
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France FrighTyyy 
+1
2019-03-25 06:11
#188
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Btw seems like i posted accidentally before typing it fully out, i meant to say that g2 werent half bad against NaVI and Mibr either, they lost all of the pistols and they had the same amount of gun rounds won vs NaVi, and more gun rounds won vs Mibr. Also watching the game NaVi played much worse against Vitality.
2019-03-25 06:25
+1 And’it Was before G2 added Amanek, which seems to have a big impact on the team. That’s why I think that RN G2 >> Vitality Vitality should’get Rid of Alex
2019-03-25 11:33
Honestly, no one can say VITALITY > G2 or G2 > Vitality AT this point, as G2 just got a New player. But atm G2 is doing much better not doing MDL matches
2019-03-25 19:43
#241
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United States Jammin800k 
Cant ignore those results either. Thats why i wouldnt feel comfortable placing either team in top 8. My point was mainly to detract from his argument that the only thing that vitality have is MDL matches, theyve clearly shown up on LAN and in many peoples opinion did about as good as they could be expected to. Making legends would have been ridiculous.
2019-03-26 08:16
you forgot to take 10 points from G2 for shox being igl so its -1:8 for Vitality
2019-03-25 02:31
#167
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France Paprii 
Did I really saw malek>xtqz? Nice b8
2019-03-25 04:51
#174
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United States Wemaster33 
When you think Kennys is a worse awper, you are truly a fucking idiot.
2019-03-25 05:01
I mean awp KennyS > Zywoo
2019-03-25 05:09
Really.... REALLY???
2019-03-25 06:17
Yes, entirely REALLY. ZywOo is better at the moment and proved it at the major. kennyS needs to prove himself the better AWP and player against top teams again.
2019-03-25 06:21
We can agree zywoo > KennyS of Rifles but KennyS > Zywoo on awps
2019-03-25 06:26
ZywOo > kennyS on all until kennyS shows up at a big LAN again, how about that. I like kenny, but ZywOo is ahead because kenny can't deliver against the top like ZywOo can.
2019-03-25 06:28
How about stop being a dumb cunt and realise KennyS > Zywoo everything???
2019-03-25 06:38
Stop fanboying, in every single vain of matches in comparison kennyS is behind ZywOo, most by a landslide. The only thing Kenny has over ZywOo at the moment is namesake, ZywOo tops him as a player until Kenny shows otherwise. Stop fan-boying and accept the reality without solid reasoning.
2019-03-25 06:43
Says the one fan boying over Zywoo. LOL even if I wasnt a fan of Kenny I would still say Kenny over Zywood
2019-03-25 07:11
#235
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United States Wemaster33 
Ledwig is just a fucking idiot, i wouldnt listen to him if i were you.
2019-03-26 07:58
Yea, Im just pissing him off atm
2019-03-26 20:54
#266
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United States Wemaster33 
Ya, please do. Cuz its funny
2019-03-26 22:55
Got you brother
2019-03-27 00:20
Awp kills per round? Probably the most important stat in this particular comparison
2019-03-25 07:32
kennyS has more AWP KPR than even s1mple, does that make kenny a better AWP than s1mple right now? No. s1mple and ZywOo do more for their team as a primary AWP than just AWP, part of what makes them so much better of a player.
2019-03-25 08:37
We all agree Zywoo is a better All round player, but KennyS is a better awper
2019-03-26 20:55
I don't agree with that statement. I think kennyS has been the worse AWP in recent months.
2019-03-26 21:06
Well, then I dont agree that Fifflaren was ever a good player. Fair argument?
2019-03-26 21:10
Typical of HLTV, attack the flair. The major is the key example, ZywOo had impact with the AWP every single time he picked it up and carried his team damn well near making the legends stage. He played well and at least impactfully in more series. Not even counting the first stage where he lead his team 3-1 into the next stage. Where was kennyS? He was failing to win against anyone besides BIG where he had a good game, where was his impact outside of that. Tell me a solid reasoning why kennyS is better and I'll recognize it, point out clips, proof, etc. instead of just going on namesake of kennyS is one of the best if not the best AWP of all time because all time doesn't relate to the present in that way.
2019-03-26 21:33
Has zywoo carried Vitality to Tournament wins??? Has zywoo carried Vitality to legend stages??? Most importantly has Zywoo carried Vitality to a Major win??? Exavtly no stfu
2019-03-26 22:03
What is kennyS doing CURRENTLY that makes him a better AWP He last won a tournament of any scale in 2017, he failed miserably to get them to the legends stage in either of the last 2 majors. His prior wins are nothing if he can't perform in the present. Namesake doesn't give someone the title of "Better AWP in the PRESENT"
2019-03-26 22:10
Yes, but KennyS still proved to be carrying G2 more than Zywoo was. Kenny got G2 to the Semi finals at WESG. What has Zywoo done
2019-03-27 00:16
Losing to Windigo 2-0 at WESG (Not playing against the best teams) is what he is doing. ZywOo is being invited to bigger LANs and at the Major lost 2-1 to NiP (A potential Top 5 team depending on how you look at rankings. Regardless Top 7 team no matter what you consider.)
2019-03-27 00:22
Yea and G2 won against NiP what you on about, XD And wym invited to Bigger LANS LOOOOOl
2019-03-27 00:24
G2 hasn't played NiP since October lol They just got an invite to StarSeries Season 7 since HR had to pull out (Because of no roster). They got noticed at the Major for their play and being an actual Top 10 contender for teams and got the invite, where was G2? Oh yeah losing to Windigo again and barely making it to Dreamhack Masters Dallas
2019-03-27 00:40
Vitality litteraly had to because they came second in the qualifier, WDYM
2019-03-27 00:49
#182
NBK- | 
Estonia BlameS 
Vitality rank #9 > G2 eSports rank #15 ez GG
2019-03-25 06:12
That map pool is really iffy. Vitality is just as good if not better on Nuke, Cache, and Dust 2. So it could just as easily be G2 1-6 Vitality or at least and even split on those 3 so it'd be G2 1-3 Vitality. It's a tough argument to say Zywoo is better than Kenny especially at AWP. And I think it's unfair to say Apex is better than Lucky. Lucky has been so good lately and has done so much for the team. This isn't a cut and dry case of who's better where, there are valid arguments both ways.
2019-03-25 07:41
#201
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United Kingdom mcswagadog 
vitalitys ma pool is not as good as you sya, they lack a foundation and reley on there stars, making their maps very inconsistent. G2 focuses on team play therefor creating stability
2019-03-25 08:50
Malek > XQTZZZ , I mean do you really know who XQTZZZ is?
2019-03-25 08:35
#215
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Chile strong221 
agree
2019-03-25 12:38
#216
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Mongolia TURJARGAL 
KENNYS IS #1 FRENCH PLAYER ZYWOO IS A BAITER LUL kennys much skillful.
2019-03-25 12:44
U don't even know what means baiter
2019-03-25 14:41
#219
s1mple | 
Austria RRRS7 
stop reading at zywoo > kennyS
2019-03-25 14:58
#220
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Slovakia ColiNWeighT 
Funny how soemone still think Vitality is better then G2
2019-03-25 14:59
Let's just enjoy having 2 french teams with a good level. 2019 will be far better than 2018 for french scene ! I support both of them and actually i couldn't say atm who i'd go for if there was a G2 vs Vitality game !
2019-03-25 14:59
#222
apEX | 
France witluks 
wtf malek > xtqz ???????? malek never had any career or anything in csgo, xtqz casted for years on the bests french TVs and is from far one of the bests coachs
2019-03-25 15:01
Litteraly Mal3k been on the scene forever
2019-03-25 19:44
#230
apEX | 
France witluks 
lul liquipedia.net/counterstrike/MaLeK achievements --> as player, he just played little french & shit tournaments, i dont consider him as a real player
2019-03-25 19:55
coaching....
2019-03-26 20:57
#232
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United Arab Emirates R4SH4SH 
since when amanek was better than shox in lurking? shox is better ofc, but he's not playing the role atm
2019-03-25 22:49
"Zywoo > kennyS AWP - Zywoo" Dude, are you trolling us? :D Haven't read such nonsense for a veeery long time.
2019-03-25 22:50
and somehow vitality is still the better side
2019-03-26 15:03
#252
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France mdK_ 
u forgot GOD ZywOo, RAPEX and LE TANK
2019-03-26 17:37
Vitality after the right changes will dominate G2...
2019-03-26 20:57
Kenny and Zywoo on the same team... #Dream
2019-03-27 19:02
Kenny and Zywoo on the same team... #Dream
2019-03-27 19:02
You really prove your point today.
2019-04-14 18:59
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