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ENCE long term
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Finland aqua_rius 
Your opinions? Do they have a future long-term? In my eyes their story resembles Luminosity back in the day. An experienced player creates a team around him with a young star (cold-sergej) and the best players from his country. Their tactics and teamplay actually looks really solid right now. They seem to have great flashes, executes and surprising firepower. In my opinion (although its biased since I'm finnish) they have improved massively since their formation in april. They still have a problem in choking and in losing to lesser teams, but if they fix it and players like sergej and Aerial keep improving I have no doubts that they can even be ready to challenge Astralis in the future. /discuss
2019-03-25 11:15
if they get sunny they have no future
2019-03-25 11:17
#4
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Finland aqua_rius 
I agree that they should not change players now, they have great chemistry with this lineup
2019-03-25 11:18
#2
Twistzz | 
Korea Jew2K 
ENCE seem to (generally) play as well as the team they face - apart from Astralis. Like if they play a solid tier1 team then they really step up their game, but against tier3 online teams they play at that level. Maybe saving strats, but just an observation. For long term success I feel like they may have to replace Allu at some point :(
2019-03-25 11:18
#5
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Finland aqua_rius 
Yeah, but sergej, xseven and aleksib all have experience with awp, they can all pick it up if allu decides to step down, -allu +sunny
2019-03-25 11:19
I agree or then 1 possibility is +jamppi?
2019-03-25 11:33
#21
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah, although we will have to see how he develops
2019-03-25 11:55
Yes i wouldnt bring him in yet, maybe next year
2019-03-25 11:59
When allu retired i think jamppi is geat choise to main Awp if his chemistry mach with team.
2019-03-25 12:08
#28
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah indeed, if he keeps putting up numbers
2019-03-25 12:33
+1
2019-03-25 12:39
#57
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Finland Sotilas12 
+2
2019-03-25 17:40
never -allu
2019-03-25 12:43
they have a suNny future ahead of them
2019-03-25 11:18
#7
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Finland aqua_rius 
maybe later, but i think they should not change players now
2019-03-25 11:19
#6
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
They have improved massively and because of all the teams behind astralis, liquid, navi are just a joke who can't play 2 good games in a row, ence has really good chance to go for rank 2-3 on HLTV rankings. They just need to improve individually and as a team.
2019-03-25 11:19
#8
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Finland aqua_rius 
honestly though, looking at them from faceit minor vs now, they have improved MASSIVELY as a team and it seems like if they keep at it they have a lot of potential
2019-03-25 11:21
#11
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Every player and team has a limit. Will see when ence stops improving.
2019-03-25 11:24
#14
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Finland aqua_rius 
Yeah, indeed. It just seems that players like sergej and Aerial have a future ahead of them. allu has peaked already for sure, aleksib is the igl and xsevens job is to get a lurk kill, support and clutch. its down to teamwork and sergej+aerial IMO
2019-03-25 11:26
aleskib is a great IGL and both him and xseven are great in clutch situations, sometimes they step up if one of the stars is having a bad day, imo, they have a bigger impact than Aerial in the game
2019-03-25 17:40
>Na’Vi >Not a joke that can’t play 2 good games in a row
2019-03-25 17:38
#62
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Just the fact that flamie, edward and zeus show once every full moon to play
2019-03-25 19:29
sunny back to ence pogchamp
2019-03-25 11:22
Still think they have potential to get better since sergej is so young still i doubt he peaked yet
2019-03-25 11:23
#13
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Finland aqua_rius 
exactly, also natu said that aerial is the one on the team that he believes to have not peaked yet. natu said in an interview that he believes aerial can be top 10 if his insane mechanical aim and be combined with more gamesense, crosshair placement etc
2019-03-25 11:25
#16
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Finland aqua_rius 
cache omegalul ence played this map last in cologne qualifier
2019-03-25 11:27
#23
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Finland Faifainei 
In starseries against optic
2019-03-25 11:55
#30
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Finland aqua_rius 
well a long time ago anyways lol
2019-03-25 12:34
ESEA MDL Season 30 Europe
2019-03-25 15:03
-aerial +sunny
2019-03-25 11:27
#17
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Finland aqua_rius 
natu has said that aerial has insane potential plus the team is working right now as it is
2019-03-25 11:28
#18
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Denmark Experative 
aerial like Magisk in Astralis cuz he is very ambitious guy and hyping team
2019-03-25 11:29
#19
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah, and i agree, if aerial doesnt improve as expected ence can add sunny also if allu retires, they can become like liquid, no primary awp but aleksib, sergej and xseven awping from time to time and +sunny
2019-03-25 11:30
nah, allu wont retire. unless he becomes really busy with his baby
2019-03-25 11:55
I think it's good to have a primary awp. I know there are maps where it's not crucial and some players can awp well but in long terms have a primary awp simplify all things.
2019-03-25 12:27
#29
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah sure, jamppi is a good up and coming awper 17yo rn
2019-03-25 12:33
Didn't heard about, I watch international and spanish csgo. I will watch him and it would be nice to have a finnish but a really younger team.
2019-03-25 12:45
#40
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Finland aqua_rius 
yepp indeed
2019-03-25 14:54
#24
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United Kingdom TiKoPigeon 
-ENCE +happy
2019-03-25 11:57
#32
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United States Trump2020KAG 
They are good. Play liquid and Astralis close every time. But smaller orgs can’t compete with bigger ones I’m thinking AleksiB gona be first one to leave for a bigger org. Faze should throw a bunch of money at him. -adren +AleksiB -rain +sunny -Olof +konfig
2019-03-25 12:41
Why would Aleksib downgrade?
2019-03-25 12:54
#38
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Won’t be a down grade if they add him and money talks. Big orgs can do whatever they want.
2019-03-25 14:37
#41
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah, but i still think ence actually has more potential than faze rn
2019-03-25 14:55
For sure. And maybe this is bias talking, but I think that if you look at recent results they're already a better team too. But I highly doubt ENCE can afford to pay a 25k/month salary like FaZe can, I just hope he is driven by more than money.
2019-03-25 16:40
#51
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah. aleksib seems like a cool guy though and judging by the chemistry he should feel comfortable playing in ence. also, if the ence project falls apart all of the players except xseven (and maybe alle) are probably really wanted among european teams
2019-03-25 17:33
Xseven is a great support who can step up from time to time, something players like STYKO and TACO, both praised as top 5 supports, can’t. He has a bit of Xyp9x inside him: insane gamesense, clutch potential and “Ice In My Veins” type of guy. Do not understand why he is so criticized by the community.
2019-03-25 17:44
+1
2019-03-25 21:57
#66
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Finland aqua_rius 
+1 support players never get the recongnition. also, i did not mean that he is bad at what he does, i just meant that there is probably not as much demand for him compared to aleksib and sergej
2019-03-26 08:16
ENCE winnin' getting invited etc = more money for the Org. more Sponsors It's not like ENCE is poor no matter what... FaZe is huge downgrade atm.. why just not leave for Clown9? they can also offer you a lot of money... Chemistry of full national roster is priceless in the end, just check Astralis
2019-03-25 17:36
#61
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Rn yes way way more.
2019-03-25 18:32
I think Ence's biggest problem is future is be professional team. They are young talent team but time will show can they mentaly be professional. I finland we have lots of athlete that are abel to physically beat world elite but mentaly they melt down under to pressure. In case of Ence i mean when the hard part is on and they play to way that they don't want, can they still fix problems and mindset? This is the biggest question. Are they fluke or one of the best, well time will tell...
2019-03-25 12:49
#37
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Finland herculepoirot 
i think the mental part is only problem for the "older" people. Younger people tend to be little bit more for the win. Not so much "Evribody play, fair play bs" what mine generation got. But anything. let just enjoy ENCE for now and dont stress the future too much.
2019-03-25 14:28
#42
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah indeed bro
2019-03-25 14:55
I am lived same "fair play" generation with you and agree your point but it is easy to be confident when everything going well. Most of Ences member are so young that we don't know jet how they react when things become more difficult. Hope for the best and enjoy for the ride.
2019-03-25 16:36
#64
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Finland herculepoirot 
+1
2019-03-25 19:39
#39
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Sweden ThorinEk 
I think they will stick around the top 10 atleast
2019-03-25 14:39
tier 3 team.
2019-03-25 14:59
if they get sunny im thinking it will ruin everything or make them gods, but im leaning towards the ruining. and they have a long term in them, they will just get better and better
2019-03-25 15:00
#46
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Finland aqua_rius 
yeah i think so too
2019-03-25 15:06
#47
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France bjjthibz 
They need to be more consistent online but it's a good team, and they should not change anything in their LU !
2019-03-25 15:06
The thing is, astralis exist, so I dont see this kind of team doind more than what theyre doing now
2019-03-25 15:08
They should just keep grinding. The worst thing they could do right now is a roster move. I hope the sunny rumors are not true.
2019-03-25 17:34
Ence confirmed that they will not do roster moves
2019-03-26 08:27
Just like Astralis/TSM guys, the core is still the same nowadays and they are the best in the world... I think ENCE is leading to the same -> Just grind together as a national team and be TOP3 team in 2019
2019-03-25 17:39
#59
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Uruguay zero`SAMA 
Yes they do. Only change in the future would be old man allu, but he aight for now.
2019-03-25 17:46
#60
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India AMKW 
Ence is really good Lot of young talents But they have to work 2x hard to perform better at the starladder Time will only tell
2019-03-25 17:47
they will be studied by other teams this time unlike last major
2019-03-26 08:22
this was already said last autumn before starladder s6
2019-03-26 08:25
EZ4ENCE
2019-03-25 19:31
#68
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Iceland YoDudeChill 
disband noob team
2019-03-26 08:23
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