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HOT TAKE: Astralis
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United States Vix_NBK_FanBoy 
They have actually gotten much worse overtime and are not near their peak, but everyone else is getting worse faster
2019-03-25 14:05
sry i dont like hot cakes
2019-03-25 14:05
to bad :(
2019-03-25 14:06
hot take = bait
2019-03-25 14:05
not true, just an OWL thing
2019-03-25 14:06
#5
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Europe andyy_ 
Kind of true but since they're still winning those events easily it doesn't really matter
2019-03-25 14:11
ya but this means if a team like mouz or faze(with roster changes) get in form i think they will take em down
2019-03-25 14:12
lol international teams will never have any chance against this Astralis on the long run
2019-03-25 14:13
Faze being a joke has still always had close games with them, one of the only teams to do so
2019-03-25 14:13
i dont count blast pro as a real event, and the other one was from legit a year ago
2019-03-25 14:22
Why not a real event wtf :D Both teams dont suddenly play like they dont care in a bo1 Yeah its still a bo1 but these matches count
2019-03-25 14:58
if u want to count them sure, but i dont and think its a joke event
2019-03-25 14:59
Cause every team is being inconsistent with their roster but they're still on the same page. Even tho they are not on their peak. And IMO this is probably bcause nobody is challenging them no more.
2019-03-25 14:17
they are ahead cuse of infrastructure tbh
2019-03-25 14:19
how? Liquid is the org with probably the best infrastructure in the whole esports
2019-03-25 14:22
na, astralis have everything they need to stay at the top imo
2019-03-25 14:21
#37
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Denmark pistolen 
Liquid, MIBR, Na'Vi, FaZe all have the exact same opportunities. The key difference is that Astralis found the right fifth and havent changed a player since and that they grind their ass off even tho they are on the top. As soon as Na'Vi smells a first place they go home and relax for 3 weeks and then they are lost again and FaZe havent had a proper fifth for almost a year. Like wtf??
2019-03-25 14:48
i think its really consistency and faze and navi dont have the same opportunity, they both need major roster changes imo. and astralis have some cluth magic like ENCE has, which no other team really has
2019-03-25 14:51
The do show weakness. It doesn't help that they only have a small crack, while the other teams are all basically glued together.
2019-03-25 14:17
+1
2019-03-25 14:19
#11
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United States kobraky95 
I mean its probably not wrong. Would explain how ENCE more or less came out of nowhere and beat teams like the S1mple and Electronic Variety Hour and Team Liquid and such. Hopefully more, younger and lesser known squads pop up soon and refresh the scene and give Astralis a good fight
2019-03-25 14:17
this +1
2019-03-25 14:19
ENCE almost beat na'vi already in ESL cologne months ago xdddd
2019-03-25 14:22
that was a year ago
2019-03-25 14:23
just saying kinda doesn't fit to narrative everyone is getting worse x D, seems they were bad all along with this guys logic ???
2019-03-25 14:24
well i think ENCE RNG G2 and Vitality and some T2 teams are the exceptions
2019-03-25 14:25
#26
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United States kobraky95 
Yeah I'm not trying to imply its a new phenomena especially in Na'Vi's case since Na'Vi, bless them, have been inconsistent trash for years anyway, and even then "Almost" beating a team and winning at the Semis of a Major in my humble opinion are two different things. But yeah maybe I'm full of shit who knows lmao
2019-03-25 14:37
very different thing
2019-03-25 14:38
Maybe true but na'vi rly should have been winner in major too if we look 2 comebacks ence made in maps they won... In many ways nothing much changed in the series compared to past, if anything na'vi looked more dominant in this series xd...
2019-03-25 14:39
that just shows the lack of structure and team play in navi, same with faze they collapse easy and cant come back
2019-03-25 14:44
So is that something new for na'vi? I am just saying in major it seemed same na'vi as before to me honestly... If anything they seemed stronger than long time to me albeit maybe not at their best as electronic was missing. Anyway I don't really agree on point teams would have gotten much worse, maybe it is true for some teams but for most teams it seems small decline or improvement. so I don't think there is that much change overall still. As for Astralis, maybe not their top form but not like you can always expect that to happen, they still seem really really good to me honestly.
2019-03-25 15:09
o you might have taken what i said differently then i meant, by decline i meant actually not playing perfect, its not a major decline for any team tbh, but just significant enough
2019-03-25 15:11
true, next event astralis goes out in groups
2019-03-25 14:18
Same excuse for 1 year keep crying
2019-03-25 14:23
no im a fan of astri, i like the tactical team play they bring. im just saying every other team is getting worse faster than them
2019-03-25 14:24
Yeah, but still, people have been saying this for a year and they're still #1
2019-03-25 14:41
no they havent, i know for a fact they havent
2019-03-25 14:43
Right before the Faceit major ppl where saying the only reason Astralis very good was because Faze didnt have Olof and SK/MIBR had the Stew/Tarik line-up and when they all got back then Astralis would be chokers again, and what do you know? That shit didnt happen
2019-03-25 14:45
#33, and yes i agree they said that stupid shit
2019-03-25 14:45
And thats basically what you're saying too
2019-03-25 14:46
no what im saying is that astralis have been declining and showing cracks, which should have gave them a lose in a b03 by now but every team has been declining worse. no excuses for the other teams
2019-03-25 14:47
Well i dont agree, but okay
2019-03-25 14:51
agree to disagree
2019-03-25 14:51
they have been saying everyone has just been bad, which is false and a dumb statement in general
2019-03-25 14:45
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