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holy fuck valve.
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Ireland CashewNuts 
Can valve fucking unban the ex-IBP members yet? Like god damn. This is going too far. They've already had to let so many opportunities go. Swag's been fucked over. Steel's been fucked over. Dazed and AZK maybe not so much as they moved on a little bit quicker, I guess? Valve's made their point and enough is enough. It's not like they don't regret it. It's pretty obvious that most of the community want them back and they've been model-players as far as I'm concerned. Especially swag. But steel too, now, he's clearly matured a lot too. #FreeIBP
2019-03-25 18:22
They aren't even good enough to make impact on the scene. Only steel could help a decent team.
2019-03-25 18:23
+1
2019-03-25 18:25
#11
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United States ^kY 
How is that a relevant argument as to whether they should be unbanned or not? Should certain people not be let out of prison because people believe they won't have any impact on society? No because it's unjust. That's not how a modern society works at all
2019-03-25 18:26
#22
autist | 
CIS bjornzz 
that's not his point
2019-03-25 18:31
Ohh yes it is or at least this is what he wrote.
2019-03-25 18:44
#47
autist | 
CIS bjornzz 
he probably means that there won't be much difference for them even if they get unbanned and will probably end up playing in some t3-t4 team
2019-03-25 18:48
Yes, probably, but the words say something else. I know that this is the most likely meaning of his words but the message is wrote in such way that you'll need to wild guess its "true meaning".
2019-03-25 18:55
you are retarded
2019-03-25 19:25
#74
autist | 
CIS bjornzz 
care to elaborate?
2019-03-25 19:34
+1
2019-03-25 18:29
That has no weight on the argument. But regardless, that's not true. Swag has been performing consistently up to elite standards especially when he gets to play with and against tier1 teams.
2019-03-25 18:50
#55
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Sweden slyde123 
I feel like SWAG if he got unbanned his motivation could increase.
2019-03-25 18:56
Maybe they are not good cuz they lack motivation
2019-03-25 19:17
#70
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United States Howler4695 
Swag is still good, watched him kick ass against EUnited 1-16
2019-03-25 19:21
#77
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Estonia MorsAlbum 
steel took down faze (even if faze/niko/adren is fucking trash its still quite a feat)
2019-03-25 19:38
#2
KRIMZ | 
Brazil JANELAAA 
+1
2019-03-25 18:24
#4
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Sweden gayfurry 
No they won't get anywhere anyway, maybe brax good for tier 5 and steel decent igl ( compared to other na igls)
2019-03-25 18:24
TIER 5 ? lmfao youre delusional. swag could easily still play tier 2 cs
2019-03-25 18:28
#16
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Sweden gayfurry 
AHAHAHAHA you gotta be joking. he's average in the Na scene, his legs would shake if he went against a team like nip
2019-03-25 18:29
a team like nip is tier 5 like you said lmfao :DDDDDDDD
2019-03-25 18:30
#20
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Sweden gayfurry 
oh bro you're really braindead...
2019-03-25 18:30
i mean look at sao paulo, they lost all games nearly 16-0 to good teams (tier 1 teams) like astralis, liquid and ence. NiP is max tier 4 in a good day and normal average day theyre tier 5
2019-03-25 18:32
#29
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Sweden gayfurry 
I didn't say NiP thinking of a tier 5 team, it was just the first average-decent eu team that crossed my mind
2019-03-25 18:34
#33
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United States bunnery5 
False lost 16-12 to Astralis.
2019-03-25 18:36
yea astralis was trolling and having fun.
2019-03-25 18:37
#36
REZ | 
United States bunnery5 
lol? Sure anytime a scoreline for astralis is close, they were having fun and trolling. Like they were in the first map against Liquid? Or against Ence? Obviously these teams didn't earn their rounds and maps, Astralis was just entertaining themselves.
2019-03-25 18:38
nip tier 5 so they knew they can troll the game and still win cuz Bot_right succc
2019-03-25 18:41
#41
REZ | 
United States bunnery5 
Mhmm, and Astralis knew Ence was so bad, so they let them get 14 rounds as well.
2019-03-25 18:43
no? ence is tier 1 and they play seriously vs. tier 1 teams to maintain their position as the best team in the world. They can troll vs tier 10 teams like bots in pyjamas if they want =) ence was really close getting 16 rounds vs best team in the world, so ence is the second best team in the world. while nip is tier 7
2019-03-25 18:45
#45
REZ | 
United States bunnery5 
tier 5 tier 7 >pick one
2019-03-25 18:45
#91
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
Please stahp. Ence is a top5 team now sure, but NiP is a top10 team for sure - It isn't as big of a gap as you make it out to be. Things could change in months, even weeks. (as we've seen with Ence.)
2019-03-25 21:08
NIP is the best swedish team atm, being tier2 (i consider only top5 to be tier 1). I hope that the guy above meant to say fnatic and not NIP, or he's just retarded
2019-03-25 18:32
#30
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Sweden gayfurry 
#29
2019-03-25 18:34
he did alright when he filled up fer's place in mibr. i think he'd do good in tier2... he's still young also
2019-03-25 18:51
#62
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
0/8 Swag is garbage
2019-03-25 19:13
#67
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Finland Smoonah 
Lol he's mediocre at best.
2019-03-25 19:17
match fixing>>>>> hacking on lan and deleting hacks in front of admins
2019-03-25 18:25
#6
Whiskey | 
Germany Jonty_E 
Who cares about them? They are tier 3 players anyway... Btw they deserve their bans imo
2019-03-25 18:25
deserved*
2019-03-25 18:28
#34
REZ | 
United States bunnery5 
agreed
2019-03-25 18:36
#54
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Ireland CashewNuts 
they did deserve their bans. But PERMANENT is too much.
2019-03-25 18:55
no respect for such people tbh
2019-03-25 19:11
#93
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Other khorkalba 
In professional sports, you get banned for life and get sent to prison for matchfixing. In esports, you become famous and are basically set up for life as a Twitch streamer while fans cry for you to be unbanned. This is one of many reasons why esports cannot currently be taken as seriously as professional sports.
2019-03-25 21:18
#101
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Ireland CashewNuts 
"This is one of many reasons why esports cannot currently be taken as seriously as professional sports." That's where you took it to "HAHAHA you're fucking stoned" territory. In real sports this happens all the time. There are lots of reasons why esports "cannot currently be taken as seriously as professional sports." But that isn't one of them. "In esports, you become famous and are basically set up for life as a Twitch streamer" In regular sports too. They'll first get insulted a fuck ton by everyone, and then, years later, people start changing their minds. If a really famous football player fixed a match and gets banned from every football league and if they then started to stream on twitch. I can almost guarantee they'll get 50k viewers+, depending on how famous the footballer was obviously. But all those those 50k viewers will probably insult him. But as time goes on he'll keep the core viewers and those will support him. +they too will be "set up for life as a Twitch streamer", if they wanted. "In professional sports, you get banned for life and get sent to prison for matchfixing. " Punishments vary from country to country, obviously. And are often, like in CS, given by the league that it happened in.
2019-03-25 23:09
Trust me they are lucky to don't have done that if they were Korean throwing at StarCraft 2. They should be happy to still play this game alive. Leve them alone, they derserve the ban.
2019-03-25 18:26
#21
ZywOo | 
Finland Sarumann 
What happened?
2019-03-25 18:30
#28
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Denmark dev111ce 
meanwhile in dota 2 they get a 12 month ban for matchfixing nt valve xD
2019-03-25 18:34
which one? afaik there was some guys banned for 12 months but by organizators, not valve
2019-03-25 18:46
#51
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Denmark dev111ce 
ur right. i wasnt sure anymore. i checked it.
2019-03-25 18:52
Swag is overrated. I wish valve "free" him like you're asking, so everyone will realize how overrated he is and this kind of useless thread will have an end.
2019-03-25 18:27
he was the best player of NA during his prime and would have been better than coldzera and s2mple together.
2019-03-25 18:29
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA
2019-03-25 18:59
You started good , but ended like shit
2019-03-25 19:21
swag is not overrated. He used to be one of the best up and coming players. Not anymore obviously because he couldn't compete for a long time
2019-03-25 18:30
They wouldnt do anything special, they would play among tier2/3 teams and thats it
2019-03-25 18:31
#26
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Albania Fleeperi 
pls keep them banned for the rest of their life, let this be a lesson for the upcoming youth.
2019-03-25 18:33
#100
s1mple | 
Brazil bafa12 
+1
2019-03-25 22:43
+1
2019-03-25 18:34
#31
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Sweden Akoulad 
they damaged csgo esports reputation forever, so their punishment should also last forever
2019-03-25 18:35
why? match fixin is one of the worst forms of cheating. Its absolutely disgusting. I kinda understand people use hacks to win games but what I dont understand is people using their position of power to intentionally lose and manipulate match results so that they earn a lot of money.
2019-03-25 18:36
#37
Croatia argm 
it's not that they are "now" going to far. the decision was made years ago - and it said "banned forever". they should stick to their decision. and I agree with them. In other games, e.g., broodwar, it's the same - Kespa banned around 10-15 of the best players forever for match fixing. and in real sports (yes computer games are NO sport) it's the same - even in small sprt event - with less money then cs - match fixing = banned forever.
2019-03-25 18:39
#38
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Mexico LEWORb 
Nah, they are an example that shit like that is not tolerated. ESL and the other organizer should have never unbanned ex-iBP
2019-03-25 18:40
#73
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United States Jkhes 
Nah, they just don't have the desire to investigate matchfing so they just picked one unlucky group to make an example of and hoped it would fix the issue. But matchfixing still happens, and there's massive diminishing returns in terms of how effectice a deterrent is the harsher it gets. E.g. life in prision is only marginally better at deterring than say 40 years, but any time in prison will have a much larger deterrent effect than none. I'm glad they got punished, but it really feels like valve didn't do their due diligence. Like for example why the fuck is skadoodle allowed to play despite being an accomplice (he knew in advance about the throw, and he participated in it.) He just got lucky that he caught wind of the suspicion earlier than the rest. Would someone who robbed a house but never got his cut of the loot before his bros were arrested stay out of prison? Probably not. Also i think it's odd that brax, who was a minor was judged the same.
2019-03-25 19:34
#82
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Mexico LEWORb 
I agree. Valve hasn't done anything to fix matchfixing since, but still, there must be an example. I think Ska also should have been punished for what we know, but maybe there is something we don't know. I think it doesn't matter if he was a minor, tbh
2019-03-25 20:03
#87
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United States Jkhes 
I figured it'd matter just because of the precedent of pretty much every legal system having different punishments for minors for obvious reasons. But it somehow stayed out of court, and the right to play in majors isn't something people are entitled to anyway so it's just always going to be at valve's discretion.
2019-03-25 20:54
#88
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Mexico LEWORb 
Yeah, well maybe, but since there is not laws written about this, ad you said, it's on valve's discretion
2019-03-25 20:56
#40
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Canada NELK 
I believe Swag has potential in tier 2 team
2019-03-25 18:42
-1
2019-03-25 18:45
#49
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United Kingdom wellhyper 
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Unlucky.
2019-03-25 18:50
#56
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Ireland CashewNuts 
They've done the time imo, that's the whole point
2019-03-25 18:56
#59
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United Kingdom wellhyper 
no, what they did was a "death" sentence, their careers were "killed". You cannot ressurrect back from the dead.
2019-03-25 19:09
#76
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United States Jkhes 
No shit, the entire point of contention is rather or not the sentence was too harsh.
2019-03-25 19:36
#102
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United Kingdom wellhyper 
No it wasn't harsh in the slightest, intentionally throwing matches is literally the worst thing you can do (in CS) and is comparable to murder irl.
2019-03-26 18:32
#52
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Canada _CTRL_ 
I agree. People who are against this need to need to shut up. People will be against anything just because these days. 90% of people saying they should still be banned didn't even watch competitive counter strike when the match fix happened.
2019-03-25 18:53
#57
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Hungary Shaperz 
why the fuck people still care about them holy shit, move on with your life ffs
2019-03-25 18:57
#61
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United Kingdom INGEMARSSON_ 
Lol, how can you be so personally butthurt about this.
2019-03-25 19:11
#84
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Germany notBaitland 
because swag so cool. bestes player NA...iwnl h3h3h3h3 pls kill me
2019-03-25 20:03
Keep them banned. Let them serve as an example to other match fixers and cheaters
2019-03-25 19:13
+1
2019-03-25 21:46
why do we have this conversation every week? The desicion is in Valve's hands, and they clearly don't want to change it. They would look bad from the outside, and careers of 2 players don't mean anything to them. From the company point of view, freeing them wouldn't make much sense.
2019-03-25 19:15
I dont think Valve gives a fuck about them anymore.They fixed matches and got fucked,thats it.Its way too late,half of them arent even around,steel and swag are most likely not good enough now to play at the top
2019-03-25 19:15
#66
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Finland Smoonah 
they fucked themselves over. Any of them are hardly relevant anymore.
2019-03-25 19:16
Im suprised how much people are against this
2019-03-25 19:23
#75
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Austria raicoon1337 
bad bait. 0/8. karma is a bitch :)
2019-03-25 19:36
No, we can't. -GabeN
2019-03-25 19:38
#79
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Latvia Burg3r_K1ng 
+1, sad that their one bad decision has screwed over their (imo) big career potential so much due to Valve wanting to make an example out of them but going too far with it
2019-03-25 19:45
#80
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North America FutureRewind 
It's not Dota2 so Valve doesn't care. Gaben has taken more shits in Dota2 tournaments then even talking about CSGO. He talks more about VR than he ever did about CSGO.
2019-03-25 20:00
i buythrower who the fuck cares?
2019-03-25 20:00
#83
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Germany notBaitland 
who cares..they are irrelevant
2019-03-25 20:03
#85
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Other fo3nixz 
best out all of them is steel, he can help a team, the rest can go meh
2019-03-25 20:03
lol, they knew matchfixing was against the rules. I don't feel sorry for them, they could've just played the game instead of being retarded. Don't free IBP, they got what they deserved.
2019-03-25 20:07
valve big retrad me dont think so
2019-03-25 20:58
I understand that someone is banned for life for cheating, but matchfixing? cmon, while cheating you're stealing every team's chance to win a prize and with matchfixing you're just giving other team a free match and if they're bad, they'll lose later in the tournament...
2019-03-25 21:03
#92
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Other khorkalba 
- Cheating increases the chances that a team will win unfairly. It undermines the competitiveness of the game. - Matchfixing guarantees that a team will win unfairly. It threatens to completely destroy the competitiveness of the game and turn it into scripted television. If matchfixing isn't punished severely, it won't stop at one team. Entire tournaments will be scripted. Just look at examples of it happening in professional sports. There is a very good reason why people go to jail for that shit in sports. It's FAR worse than doping or any other form of cheating.
2019-03-25 21:10
skadoodle should have been banned too
2019-03-25 21:45
lol no
2019-03-25 21:47
he threw and got scared after rumours started circulating so he didnt take the skins ibp guys were assholes who dishonoured themselves, they should have all been banned and stayed banned. scene only gained from losing them
2019-03-25 21:48
you don't even know the whole story, only dazed and those other guys did. Even DaZed said thooorin was wrong
2019-03-25 21:50
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