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Debate: Vitality or G2 ?
NBK- | 
France Azowel 
No one care of your "who cares", if you don't care, pls leave this topic. Now it's time to talk and define who is the best team, HLTV ranking isn't really relevant, maybe we have to judge their efficiency. Vitality is #10 but has problems with skilled playstyle like Valiance. On top of that, only three players are constant. Maybe individualities are missing for ALEX & RpK in Vitality and this will be a problem against TOP10-15 teams. Even if NBK is a good IGL, strats are elaborated and smart. On the other side, we have G2 which had huge difficulties last months but they showed a very good performance on DH Masters Qualifier against t2 teams. We seen an amazing shox and kenny was also very good. People said shox failed to be IGL and I agreed but I seen very good things notably during pistols rounds, pistols strats made by show worked, they won 17/22 pistols rounds (during the qualifier) + 2 force buy worked (following a pistol round lost) so 19/22, it's just amazing for G2. shox will become a huge IGL, he is very arrogant but he is one of the greatest players in the world. Vitality is at his maximum unlike G2. G2 will take place in the TOP5 in next months.
2019-03-26 10:27
#1
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France J0riS_ 
Rn it's a tie between them imo
2019-03-26 10:29
#3
NBK- | 
France Azowel 
skill is missing for ALEX & RpK, here is the problem even if I prefer Vitality values we have to say that G2 is better
2019-03-26 10:30
#7
Europe ANGR1 
They are skilled but they are not used in the right way with vitality
2019-03-26 10:41
It's hard to shine in CT when you play fix on site... you can't make +20 kills in game. Don't judge on K/D.
2019-03-26 11:37
#25
NBK- | 
France Azowel 
There is also a T side and we can't say that RpK is really strong in T side. On top of that, if u want reach the top you can't have a t3 fix
2019-03-26 11:52
I remember Alex during the last North game, it was just painful to watch but I still think he has a chance to improve because people say he's a hard worker
2019-03-26 12:06
#38
NBK- | 
France Azowel 
I hope
2019-03-26 13:08
#60
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
yeah they need kio instead or alex and things become interesting again, in my eyes g2 is clearly gonna be much stronger
2019-03-27 23:43
both of them will fail and will unite into a new french superteam, but between the two vitality is the better team and will make out the majority of this new roster
2019-03-26 10:30
its not shox its all amanek
2019-03-26 10:33
Its Shox. Amanek only on train
2019-03-27 17:43
thank you for the confirmation
2019-03-27 19:52
#5
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Bulgaria stef0o0o 
g2 are done for, like envy some years ago when they said they will retrieve their 1st place in the ranking and never did, vitality is the future for french cs and if not vitality, zywoo at least
2019-03-26 10:34
#6
NBK- | 
France Azowel 
shox is like a frustrated kid, he couldn't be #2 french team and it will motivate him to work. Problems with french teams are only work. Envy was a huge joke, you can't reach the top with young players like SIXER, xms ... G2 has the ability to do it.
2019-03-26 10:37
Vitality isn’t the future of French scene. ZywOo is one man army, that’s why vitality will allways be #2 G2 has a more balanced team and good play style. And some good individualities
2019-03-27 17:45
Idk AmaNEk g2 is looking scary atm Andy we heard from the pros they were scary on practice
2019-03-28 00:51
#8
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Japan Pingu_je 
For sure, signing amenek made G2 a lot more stronger (though bodyy did some good perf during WESG). I feel like G2 is now more performant and more stable than Vitality. All I see in every Vitality game is Zywoo top fragging and Rpk bottom fragging. I find this a bit boring to watch (their games) compared to G2 games where any player can top frag. In short, I prefer G2 because their matches are a lot more entertaining.
2019-03-26 11:02
yeah and you base your comment on some irrelevant online matches against tier 3 teams, next bait please
2019-03-26 11:39
#35
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Japan Pingu_je 
yea tier 3 but what about vitality's opponents in ESEA MDL ??
2019-03-26 12:25
ldlc
2019-03-26 11:12
#10
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Sweden ScineLy1 
G2. ZyWoO >bottyS NBK < Shox APEX < JaCkZ ALEX < Lucky RpK < AmaneK
2019-03-26 11:13
Shox better than NBK based on what because aim I can agree but NBK is a better igl
2019-03-26 12:08
#34
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Sweden ScineLy1 
Not even close lol, nbk is playing with ZyWoO that's why.
2019-03-26 12:23
Yeah because zywoo affects their strats
2019-03-26 14:07
G2 had shown a lot more plays since amanek joined than vitality since the team formed. Not even close.
2019-03-27 17:46
uh..... ZywOo is nowhere close to kennyS in terms of AWPing. He's more of a rifler, and you can't really compare a rifler to an AWPer can you really? ZywOo is more of a hybrid, like s1mple, or even device lately, except that he's nowhere as good as any one of them.
2019-03-27 01:33
#55
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
zywoo rifle > kennyS rifle kennyS awp >>>>> zywoo awp kennyS is sometimes pushing in like a retard but overall kenny's awping is much more impactful and he can challange every awper and he is most of the time a very dominant awper, he is obviously getting back in form. Zywoo can't really take the risk like kennyS. I would like a g2 vs vitality match at charleroi esports, where kennyS can show that he is dominating zywoo like back in december at WESG qualifier.
2019-03-27 23:32
#11
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Bangladesh thug_doctor 
G2 Tier 2 Vitality Tier 2.5 -Alex +someone else and vitality solid tier 2
2019-03-26 11:16
#37
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Spain N0Love 
+ Who? Not a lot of options if you think about it
2019-03-26 12:28
K1o is their best options. Not sure he can play with NBK/apex though
2019-03-27 17:47
#12
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Finland trashsports 
G2 is overrated Vitality is underrated /close
2019-03-26 11:18
Would be good with 2 tier 1 french teams. But I'm hoping mostly for g2
2019-03-26 11:19
#14
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Vitality > G2 easily, not sure why this is event a topic
2019-03-26 11:19
G2 shox as igl is bad and waste his pure skill doing so. Vitality ALEX is not fit in this team (yet?) The biggest downside being in G2, I'd pick Vitality.
2019-03-26 11:22
#16
Maka | 
France Barburo 
RPK is skilled but braindead, when he has to shoot in the head, he does it but when the shit became a bit unusual he looses his minds and start to move like a bot. If he step up his game sense, he can do je the job in his role. Alex is "the problem" at the moment, i think he is underperforming and all the pressure because of him underperforming in the hyped new french team is a vicious circle making him miss so many shots he didn't missed in the LDLC prime in autumn. He has to do a great job a SS7 or like boddy he will be the bot of the team until he get kicked for everybody even if he reachs again a satisfying level.
2019-03-26 11:27
Stop judging Alex so fast man... he is new in team.
2019-03-26 11:38
#28
Maka | 
France Barburo 
When i say underperforming and under pressure, i assume he can do better, but some of his play against North were very worrying, he get caught by his mistake too often or cant kill a guy turning his back at 2 meters. But i really hope he will impress at SS7
2019-03-26 12:03
He I know what you mean, he is pro player so he knowns mistakes he has done, maybe lack of confidence in his role / new team. Everybody trash talked bodyy but imo he did well after few months. :)
2019-03-26 13:39
+1 (quite agree with everything)
2019-03-26 11:42
#17
ZywOo | 
France arkel45 
Vitality's main strengths: - High individualities that can carry a game: much like NaVi, players such as zywoo, apex or even nbk have the potentiel to own a game (just look at their matches history their scores are very uneven) - Very good IGL in the form of NBK: some very good mid-game calls combined with good executions, NBK has a clear strategy when facing the opposing team. - High clutching potentiel: zywoo just wins 1v3s left and right, making it really easy to win some rounds they were not supposed to win and thus bring back the momentum of the game - Good mentality: a lot a comebacks coming from Vitality, they never surrender Vitality's main weaknesses: - The star players are inconsistent: apart from zywoo, it can often happen that players such as apex or rpk have a bad game, resulting in difficulties winning crucial rounds - Defined low skill ceiling on some players: although few high impact games, players such as rpk and alex rarely step up in defining rounds. Althrough I dont expect them to do 4 kills everyrounds, they should hold their bombsite more efficiently, notably rpk on mirage B G2's main strenghts: - Insane individualities: kennys, shox and the others have demonstrated once in their carrer that they are able to compete at the highest level and have shown it in recent games already - Strong support playeres: unlike in Vitality, players like lucky, jackz and amanek have higher skill ceillings which allow great support to the star players and more diversity in their games - Good teamwork: G2's players all play together efficiently and trade way more often than Vitality, their higher skill makes the difference once on the bombsite - Good strats: some good strats are coming out from shox such as executions or even some mid round calls G2's main weaknesses: - Lack of clear gameplan: sometimes G2 look lost in the round and rely on individualities to give them a man advantage, however at pro level teams will not give away a player that easily, resulting in difficulties closing out a round - Unstable kennys: kennys, just like apex, is a player who thrives when owning his opponents as he takes very aggressive duels. However when no in a good game he can often give man advantage to his opponents and waste many money of the awp, this can sometimes completely throw the dynamic of a game - Unstable shox: like kennys, shox hasn't yet come back to his full player potentiel (althrough very close in their last official matches), which results in some games where he can be totally absent. This is less of a problem now that other players such as amanek or jackz can take over in the fragging departement. Conclusion: In conclusion Vitality is the most experienced team as it had more official matches with their current lineup. However, their skill ceiling is much lower notably due to weaker individualities in the form of alex and rpk. Vitality compensates in many games with an incrediblely consistent zywoo, but against top15 teams it is often not enough to give them the win (such as vs North for example). On the other side G2 have all pieces of the puzzle to succeed in the form of very complete players, and have a much higher skill ceiling than Vitality. G2 must focus on their strategical aspect of the game, which has greatly improved since the addition of their coach Malek and of Amanek. Once a system is established their star players such as kennys and shox while be able to focus more of themselves. Give it time and G2 will become top5, however I don't see the current Vitality reach better than top10 unless their weaker players step up their game.
2019-03-26 11:28
You should become a analyst, very good 👍👍
2019-03-26 12:14
tl, but read it. +1
2019-03-27 20:15
#57
kennyS | 
Germany striXSy 
Wow, that is really good dude !
2019-03-27 23:36
good analysis but I dont think g2 will breach top5.
2019-03-28 10:27
Like month ago i wouldn't even think about it Vitallity was much better but G2 were playing pretty good recently. I still think Vitallity > G2 but surely they will crawl back to equal level. If they'll play against each other i would say it depends on individua l form of star players. Otherwise I think Vit. > G2 i near future G2 might be on same level and get an upset sometime
2019-03-26 11:34
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tarik | 
Spain SKORIIA 
I like both teams and I cannot say which one is better because I don't know. I really think that "shox" is not a good IGL but a really good player, we saw some nice things from them on the DH masters qualifier so I think that the incorporation of amanek is going well.
2019-03-26 11:55
Hard to tell now but I think G2 might come out on top. As usual IF kenny and shox start delivering which they've started doing, they can become a top 5 team no problem.
2019-03-26 11:58
Okay i cant agree to your thread since you are french and cant be objective about french teams. Shox is very bad igl he is not good at mid round calls and should focus on his aim instead of tryjng to lead but it comes from his arrogance ofc. Kenny was good in 2014 and since then he is going down. He wknt have the same setup of players working around.him and ofc the awp change has hit him very hard like every awper. I cant tell much about nonamers but these changes will never wotk. How many times we ve had a french shuffle? If teams dont risk it and take young players who were not influenced by dead Players there wont be any progress. Probably Kio is the only exception wherold player became better after being kicked. French scene is dead im sorry
2019-03-26 12:06
He was the 6th best player in 2015 and even won a major(getting the mvp). He saw a resurgence in 2017 and became along with shox and carried G2 up to become the number two team in the world. 2019 has been a good start so far with a 1.24 rating
2019-03-27 17:41
Who cares ?😎
2019-03-26 12:06
I think G2 looks stronger now. At least at the last few matches they were playing great. Amanek is a good addition to them. If they could get kio it would be amazing
2019-03-26 12:25
#61
shox | 
Serbia ravi0ll1 
Nah -alex/ RpK +Kioshima and its you have two solid top 10 French teams
2019-03-27 23:54
Yeah that's what I think as well. Him to vitality or G2 would be amazing but I like G2 more so I would like to go him there
2019-03-28 10:24
"shox will become a huge IGL" based on what? "Vitality is at his maximum unlike G2." based on what? "G2 will take place in the TOP5 in next months." yea please tell me more...
2019-03-26 13:11
#76
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Belgium SadG2Fan 
Have you seen Vitality upgrading their game in the last 2 months ? Me neither
2019-03-28 10:41
#48
Ex6TenZ | 
Switzerland T4NGY_ 
Hum Vitality is TITAN 2.0, meanwhile even if G2 will struggle with shox's leading, the ammount of skill in that team is TOP1/2, only Astralis can contend, thing is Astralis is strong strategicly also. I predict a TOP5 to TOP2 for this G2 lineup, unlike my bois sur VaKarM i think bodyy is overrated and that AmaNEk is underrated, chemistry & role balance takes time but they will get there, imo TOP3 by the end of the year if they keep working hard.
2019-03-27 17:53
#59
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France LanaRhoades 
Even at The major imo , both team will show up but i believe more in g2 now than vitality to be the best french team and the best team in the world but i support vitality ,i'm sure with little roster changes on the future they will wreck sole ass , but they need to stick together until the next major to have structure and to exploit all the potential of this lineup , if they don't do good achievements (winning events or doing very good placements and if we can see improvements day by day (individually and tactically)) so bye bye alex and rpk or one of them atleast.
2019-03-27 23:41
#62
Ex6TenZ | 
Switzerland T4NGY_ 
I agree with you 100%, i think it will be RpK out more than ALEX considering his role in the team. As for the replacement there isn't much but hAdji with a good role ( Revenge Fragger / Cleaner ) could get back to his old EnVy Academy form : hltv.org/stats/players/9656/hAdji?teamId.. Anyway i have high expectations for Vitality for SLTV Starseries, they need a TOP8 minimum. on va voir mais globalement ils sont bon, ya que RpK & ALEX que je trouve pas au niveau pour ce que veux faire Vitality, mais comme tu la dis un roster move bien placé en cas de deception fera le taff je pense.
2019-03-27 23:59
#63
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France LanaRhoades 
Ouais hadji me semble bien surtout avec l'xp qu'il va surement prendre aux ESL PRO league en LAN pendant 1 mois et demi a leicester , et pourquoi pas kio mais j'en doute. En tout cas j'espère qu'rpk et alex vont step up (on connaît le niveau de rpk en 2017 si il pouvait faire la même ce serait parfait) et ALEX travaille beaucoup il fait bcp de FPL et de DM et c'est juste ce qu'il lui manque psk il est smart mais il fail des shots des fois (la peur de rater le fait rater je pense surtout avec la pression de la commu faut qu'il se relache et pas calculer les réseaux et HLTV)
2019-03-28 00:08
#64
Ex6TenZ | 
Switzerland T4NGY_ 
Encore une fois je suis 100% d'accord, pour Cédric je pense que c'est foutue il est loin de son apogée et son intelligence de jeu suit plus trop etc. ALEX est okay sans plus. Idéalement kio serait un pick incroyable, on a vu le niveau qu'il met quand il joue pas support chez C9. C'est quasiment destinée a arriver pour kio, C9 se casse la gueule, ya aucune autre team NA ou EU mix meilleur que Vita et ils ont a la place. Je sais pas si ca mettra Vitality sur les même niveau que G2 mais ca les en rapprochera certainement. En attendant je veux que hadji, maka, davidp, scream et ex6 join TSM. *salive*
2019-03-28 00:21
#67
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France LanaRhoades 
Pour tsm je dis oui franchement cette lineup a dla gueule
2019-03-28 00:46
#68
Ex6TenZ | 
Switzerland T4NGY_ 
ca sera nice mais de manière réaliste ca sera un mix EU random mal fait qui se cassera la gueule en 6 mois, dommage.
2019-03-28 00:50
who cares, french scene spoiled their potential with endless drama and player switches, now they are old and out of shape and the new talent doesnt have the guidance they need to become the best.
2019-03-27 17:57
#58
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France LanaRhoades 
This is not a physical sport "they are old" , 18 yo for the youngest - 26 yo for the oldest lol. Wtf even in football 26yo is young. (Actually 29 for rpk but doesn't matter you're not talking about him)
2019-03-27 23:38
ez 4 ence
2019-03-27 19:53
-lucky +zywoo best team in the world
2019-03-27 20:10
Zywoo is the only good player on either team so I say Vitality is better by default.
2019-03-27 20:20
#56
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France LanaRhoades 
Vitality isn't at his maximum wtf are u talking about ? This is a new team they can do better by far why are you so hurried ? That's what they cost them in the past.
2019-03-27 23:36
#65
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France |Lasso| 
I just want both team in top 5 and some big win for the French cs
2019-03-28 00:22
#66
shox | 
Lithuania Jaguar4s 
g2 better teamplay, better skill cieling, better everything
2019-03-28 00:27
#69
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Chile Lionel_Hutz 
My heart says G2 But my mind says G2
2019-03-28 00:50
#71
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Australia teras69 
G2 have higher skill ceiling but lower skill floor if you remember their online performances in 2018... G2 are better tho, vitality are just in better form and more gel’d team, man for man vitality lack firepower compared to G2. Rn both are irrelevant t2 teams
2019-03-28 01:14
#74
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China LeBronGames 
From a Chinese perspective, G2 is always harder 1.G2 always seems to win pistol rounds, pistol gods 2.G2 have players like Shox,KennyS, Chinese teams always suck against players with big names with old god reputation ala Shox, KennyS, when Chinese players don't care about reputation they can beat you or play you very close in score
2019-03-28 10:29
#75
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Denmark TheWiseOwl 
if g2 get ZywOo/ KioShiMa then i think they can get to top 5 but not with this lineup maybe top 8 though
2019-03-28 10:29
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