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ASTRALIS MAP POOL
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Valve literally removed the only map that astralis don’t play, so if astra enjoys vertigo and plays well I assume its over... they will be even better, and that means cs will be more boring... f*ck
2019-03-29 02:34
#1
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Other Aachen 
How can CS be boring with Vertigo in the game?
2019-03-29 02:35
#2
felps | 
Brazil pluga 
+11111111
2019-03-29 02:35
CRY is FREE like always
2019-03-29 02:37
#4
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Crying lol... dood Im not stupid I know astralis is great but this is too much
2019-03-29 02:39
Nobody's fault that Cache is a dead boring map
2019-03-29 02:40
#7
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Brazil DaRos517 
Cache is way better than Nuke
2019-03-29 02:44
#34
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
cache isn't better than nuke, dust 2 should be remove tho
2019-03-29 06:08
Cache > D2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nuke
2019-03-29 07:33
#66
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
Thats what im saying, they should remove d2
2019-03-29 07:34
Yes Nuke and D2 should be removed. Valve fucked d2 with changes and nuke by removing that outside railing or whatever it is called. Shit map
2019-03-29 07:36
#87
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
nuke still a fun map wdym, rotation are good now
2019-03-29 08:15
#98
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Cache fkn sucks
2019-03-29 10:45
0/8
2019-03-29 19:10
Cache is one of the best maps for great game. Also absolutly balanced
2019-03-29 04:53
#36
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
T-sided bro
2019-03-29 06:08
Not really. It sometime ct-sided, sometime t-sided. Depend of teams and skills of teams
2019-03-29 06:09
#39
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
no, for a very good cache team, is literally t-sided. Cache is the only map that is t sided
2019-03-29 06:10
Maybe a bit! But it's balanced hltv.org/stats/teams/map/29/5973/Liquid
2019-03-29 06:12
Cache is the most T-sided map (it depends on the team obviously), but I don't think side win rates should determine how good a map is.
2019-03-29 19:42
#62
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Denmark Xipingu 
But the map is boring now exactly because everyone knows how to play it. Even MG’s can play it well, when I see my a few friends play it. No new stuff, nothing innovative. Besides, FMPONE, the god of maps, are reworking it atm.
2019-03-29 07:19
#6
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Latvia 4swen4 
cache imho is great map, idk why to change for vertigo, which was never great. bring back aztec, tuscan, insertion(with c4) and canals. more maps more fan,
2019-03-29 02:43
#9
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Brazil Reversed_FURIA 
as much as find aztec casually fun, its the shittiest map as far as competitive games go. Also, this new vertigo is really nice. I think people are biased against it because early CSGO version indeed sucked.
2019-03-29 02:47
cache is being remade so i think it will swap with mirage in the future
2019-03-29 03:39
yeah mirage long time wasn't reworked
2019-03-29 06:10
was it reworked atleast once? i mean i can remember minor changes and fixes but nothing more
2019-03-29 19:14
#8
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United Kingdom ban66 
Will vertigo make it into tournament map pools? They might just keep cache in there for the foreseeable future. Also, that's a big nerf to French CS if they take cache out, it's been a solid map for pretty much all French teams. Does vertigo favor Astralis' style though? It seems to me like it doesn't rn allow for amazing takes or strategic plays, it looks like it's a lot more open to individual talent and flashy plays, something Faze or Naavi might like. This could all be me being stupid, but I think it might just replace cache as there ban.
2019-03-29 02:46
Well, vertigo depends a lot on individual skill, but there are maybe some crazy smoke/molotovs you can throw which would allow it to be one kind of map that Astralis would like, Nuke also doesn't seem like a map which you can take advantages through nades but it turned out that you can, just give Vertigo time and people will find out what you can do
2019-03-29 02:58
#14
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United Kingdom ban66 
Fair, time if definitely needed to test it out, maybe they'll end up finding some crazy executes and completely wreck. But when it starts out I can see it being heavily in favour or teams like Faze Naavi and Liquid, so Astralis will probs ban it until they work it out, or let other teams work it out for them then improve on it which is kinda what happened with Nuke.
2019-03-29 03:01
Astralis are anything but boring. Instead, they're the most entertaining team right now. Operating like a perfect system and imagine what a thrill it will be when they lose their streaks.
2019-03-29 02:51
What's boring is that no team can compete against that perfect system
2019-03-29 02:56
True, Astralis it's not Astralis fault that the competitive scene is "boring" other teams should step up their level to make things interesting, not Astralis getting lower
2019-03-29 03:02
It's not Astralis' fault that nobody can defeat them. I want this streak to go on and Astralis to improve even further so.
2019-03-29 04:38
#35
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
They are a great team but their play style has about as much style and charisma as my underpants.
2019-03-29 06:08
As long as it works and they don't get killed from behind, it's not boring at all. And their mojo is rising, they have such a lineup of faces, beautiful device with a doubtful pleasure, Magisk, tall Xyp and gla1ve, drama queen but yet so cinematographic dupreeh with such a name. They are anything but boring. Magisk is very emotional and sincere while all the rest hide their emotions, almost looks like a family with adopted Magisk. You know.
2019-03-29 06:12
#42
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No they are very boring, they have almost no flair to their play style at all, its very stiff and robotic and they hardly take any risks. "As long as it works and they don't get killed from behind, it's not boring at all.", that logic makes no sense, because they dont die its not boring and because they dont get flanked its not boring, its also not boring because it works????? Watching an average awper hold an angle for 40 seconds and getting one kills is boring no matter how often it works. There is not an ounce of style, personality or charisma in how they play.
2019-03-29 06:16
I guess you fell to the same sin of not knowing personal preferences and actual facts. I never made a claim. Be careful. #22.
2019-03-29 06:16
#45
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
But there are certain things that make players and teams entertaining and certain things that dont. Its why s1mple is fun to watch and Device isnt, s1mple will take more risk and do more extravagant things.
2019-03-29 06:18
Interesting to one, boring to another. There is no perfection in our world.
2019-03-29 06:18
#47
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Interesting to very few, boring to the vast majority.
2019-03-29 06:18
In this certain case, perhaps, but not always. There are also way back around cases and it's alright.
2019-03-29 06:19
#49
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Not really, if you look at xyp hes dull for 95% of the game, Glaive is mechanically average, Dupreeh is just an entry fragger, Device is just an awper who has his stats massively distorted by his team just playing for him so he can get easy kills then you have Magisk probably the only highly skilled player there.
2019-03-29 06:24
I will not take seriously, your childish hatred you gotta keep to yourself. Take it easy, they deserve it. Strive and work as hard and you might achieve something.
2019-03-29 06:31
#51
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No not really. Astralis man for man really arent all that special apart from Magisk, Device is just an awper who get set up a lot as you can see by the fact if the team isnt playing well and they are losing his numbers tend to suffer the most, think of these games where he just goes missing and goes 0-0-9, he needs to be setup the best in the world can set themselves up.
2019-03-29 06:33
Too much envy little fella. It's possible for him to go missing but the wonder of his is consistency. He always delivers on a high class. Just like cold and s1mple. He's deserved his placing. Even if the team is set around him, it's not much easier, he still has to hit everything.
2019-03-29 06:37
#55
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No its not envy its reality, just watch them. His stats wouldnt be anything like they were is he was in s1mples position or Niko's right now, the only other special thing other than Magisk in that team in terms of individual skill is Xyp in clutches. They play a very dull and sterile form of CS because they have to, if they went truly toe to toe with other team they would just get bodied as they dont have the mechanical skill those teams do and its why they so boring. Hitting a shot on a blind guy or holding an angle while your team does the heavy lifting isnt hard.
2019-03-29 06:45
You don't know what you're talking about. Do their flashes kill enemies on their own? Do their smokes defuse bombs without them? Are they enemies always blind and never shoot them? I will refrain from assuming your age but you sound childish at least. You can't be serious.
2019-03-29 07:02
#71
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Its very easy to kill a blind guy when you have Magisk supporting you, its very easy to get AWP kills when your team uses utility so well as it affords you time and space.
2019-03-29 07:44
So you're saying device just randomly shoots AFK opponents while they're all blind. Xyp only kills through the smoke and through the maps everywhere. All his mates are doing nothing but throwing flashes and smokes for device to kill them and have some good stats. Finally I got you.
2019-03-29 07:47
#75
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No thats not what i said. What i said was its easy to shine when you have everyone else setting you up for it and when you have a team that works so well together, it exaggerates your skill. Device, Dupreeh, Xyp and Glaive arent even top 20 in terms of mechanical skill, its their team play that brings their stats up.
2019-03-29 07:49
Quite silly to say so. The key for success in Astralis is that there's no weak pieces of chain, everyone plays good on top of a perfect teamplay. I'll say more, device, dupreeh and Xyp got more individual skill than that they're credited for. And CSGO is an easy game, everyone's close to each other in terms of skill.
2019-03-29 08:00
#79
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No the skill gap between the Astralis players apart from Magisk and the best in the world is a pretty obvious. They do have weak pieces, its why they lost to Faze 3-0 with a stand in, its why they have lost games before, but they have a style to cover their weaknesses.
2019-03-29 08:02
In what year was that? Going to clutch onto many months old happenings? It only shows their greatness. Players you mentioned win the vast majority of their duels, everyone of them and their success is very visible and it disapproved what you just stated obviously.
2019-03-29 08:05
#81
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No, they also list to Liquid recently but that was to show that they do have weaknesses its just a case of exploiting them, there weakness is their individual skill.
2019-03-29 08:05
Yes, it did show the backside of your words. They have no weaknesses currently, everyone of them plays good individually and that's why they're so good. They're taking care of their form.
2019-03-29 08:09
#86
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
You think Astralis have no weakness. Thats not true, its why they still lose. Their weakness is their individual skill, their strengths are map pool, team play and strategy, these things help to mask their weakness. You mentioned they win most of their duels, yes due to good utility usage to make kills easier, aswell as playing off of each other to make kills easier.
2019-03-29 08:14
And that's how it should be played. They're so good that they don't often have chances to perform their individual skill, they're too good as a team. And if they have to, they win their duels on their own anyway. Telling you.
2019-03-29 08:18
#90
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
No, when they are left to just winning aim duel they lose.
2019-03-29 08:19
Completely wrong, all of them have a high percentage of winning duels. Now you're way too personal for me to continue this ever more.
2019-03-29 08:22
#94
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
These duel are aided by utility and team play, im talking about dry 1v1 aim duels.
2019-03-29 08:23
Nonsense once again. Duels are between certain players and if there is assistance going on it's not a duel anymore. Only 1 vs. X. Now you don't have any validity at all. I miss the time I wasted.
2019-03-29 08:26
#64
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Denmark Xipingu 
So what? They are winning. It’s not Astralis’ fault other teams can’t seem to keep up, albeit it looks like teams get closer and closer. Everything counts towards a win, end of story. Everybody who wants to win at life do everything to get to that goal. Reading for years upon years to become X with more reading to become an even smarter X (doctor for example) is boring af too, but you can hardly blame people for doing what’s needed to reach their goal. If you can’t see the logic in that, sorry mate, then life will be tough to understand.
2019-03-29 07:27
#67
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Im not saying they should change they are an amazing team and they should keep doing what works for them but its boring.
2019-03-29 07:35
p1mple fanboy attacking astralis astralis already F***ed him HARD in MAJOR FINAL he had like shit stats in final and pimple fanboys call navi players full of bots cry is free
2019-03-29 10:53
#100
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United Kingdom sirdetmist 
Im not a fan of s1mple.
2019-03-29 10:54
They could, they just aren’t. Other teams frustrate me with how little they care.
2019-03-29 08:05
Idk what u consider entertaining then Cuz watching astralis destroy everyone Device getting eco frags And watching xyp and gla1ve getting kills through smokes It’s not entertainment
2019-03-29 03:42
Did you hear that entertainment is not a law nor is a fact? It's a subjective matter and if you find a stinky brownie on the street interesting, I might not. I like how they work together, one of a few real teams that value teamplay above anything else, I like to see how they evolve and their relations grow. Every their match is a newer thrill because they can be defeated any time or never at all. I guess it requires having a lot of action and highlights for you to find some team interesting?
2019-03-29 04:41
#69
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Finland Faifainei 
"every match is a newer thrill because they can be defeated any time" Such a thrill when the game is 14-3 oh boy what a match! After d2 in blast finals I didnt even bother watching inferno, it was late and I knew already that Astralis would win, just a matter of with how big of a margin.
2019-03-29 07:39
Keep reading that sentence till the end. And yes, it's interesting for me. Why don't you understand there's no team interesting equally for everyone.
2019-03-29 07:44
#88
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Finland Faifainei 
Trust me, I understand there are many weirdos who have weird likings, all I am saying that astralis's games can be over before they have even barely started which is dull even if you like the level of cs they are playing and like the "thrill" of the possibility that their streak could break.
2019-03-29 08:16
Your passive-aggressiveness shows your actual state of mind. And no, you don't seem to understand me. I like them regardless of the chances of their victory or aftermath of their matches in general. What else is there not clear enough.
2019-03-29 08:21
That’s why I stated above “Idk what u consider entertaining then”
2019-03-29 11:54
#12
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Czech Republic maybe_banned 
Astralis 400IQ
2019-03-29 02:57
#16
tweeday | 
New Zealand Rabb5t 
Astralis will just continue with Vertigo as their permaban.
2019-03-29 03:08
+1 either perma ban and wont affect their map pool or be insane on another map and target ban other team
2019-03-29 03:40
Or they could learn it at the same time as everyone else so they don’t lack behind like they were on cache.
2019-03-29 05:34
#17
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Brazil hotcheeks1202 
astralis will play vertigo tho
2019-03-29 03:25
#111
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Thats why I’m saying it will be op
2019-03-29 19:06
navi ez top 1
2019-03-29 04:49
Given how fast the rotations are, s1mple is going to be everywhere at once KreyGasm
2019-03-29 08:06
cache so boring good riddance
2019-03-29 04:52
#25
felps | 
Brazil DrTx 
2019-03-29 04:53
#27
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Brazil Mirekz 
dude csgo devs must own some shares at Astralis, first they remove Cobblestone which was Astralis permaban, now they remove cache which is one of the maps that Astralis ban often
2019-03-29 04:54
#28
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Argentina XaiDN 
I like cache too :(
2019-03-29 04:54
#30
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Asia Antay 
Yeah, but I hope FaZe would do well too on Vertigo.
2019-03-29 05:21
#32
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
Cache getting out of the map pool is actually good for FaZe cuz pushing A main every round was the only thing they knew to do on their ct side.
2019-03-29 05:40
#70
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Asia Antay 
Ha ha, yeah and they used to pay for that heavily sometimes. Niko was and still is God at A site btw.
2019-03-29 07:43
hahahaha so true
2019-03-29 08:06
Cobblestone-Cache, what now? overpass? just give them the next 2 majors to astralis without playing a single map, the help is so obvious.
2019-03-29 05:53
#43
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India MONKS 
It was covvle before, valve removed it and fhry stopped playing cache, simple. They'll stop playing mirage/vertigo now.
2019-03-29 06:15
#52
ile | 
Finland Vkims 
No,valve removed map that ence didnt play. Its only coincidence thats astralis (and navi) dont play it aswell.
2019-03-29 06:35
now astralis will ban opponents best map and vertigo is type of map astralis likes to play
2019-03-29 07:15
#61
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Finland Vkims 
Its okay, im confident that ence will go 87-0 in vertigo
2019-03-29 07:17
people like to make bullsh*t excuses to deny Astralis dominance, cobble was Faze permaban but why they didnt dominate like Astralis when Valve removed it ? and now Cache are Navi and Ence permaban, so Valve helps them as well ?
2019-03-29 07:23
#112
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Im not making excuses... astralis is great because they are dedicaded, have insane individuals and etc... I’m just saying they will be even better wich is bad for the scene imo
2019-03-29 19:09
but Na'Vi didn't play cache. And if they can play vertigo, they would play all maps
2019-03-29 07:53
#77
gla1ve | 
Singapore FAZELUL 
LOL but still Astralis > M16R & FAZE on cache. Astralis won many tournaments because their hard work, not because their map pool.
2019-03-29 07:54
#95
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Colombia HachitaVidal 
Cry is free
2019-03-29 08:23
#113
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Im not crying stoopid
2019-03-29 19:10
#97
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Europe TheKasztan 
Cache will be back in some months because of remake like dust ;p
2019-03-29 08:27
#109
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
It will take time... look at cobble
2019-03-29 14:27
#101
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Ukraine p0rtal 
Maybe Liquid/NaVi/other tier 1.5 teams will stop complaining and start doing work they are payed for? Jesus, Astralis didn't get all of what they're doing from nothing. Just match your map pool to Astralis to beat them. Simple af.
2019-03-29 11:07
RiP NiP LOL
2019-03-29 11:24
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