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Karl Marx or
Moldova Trabew 
Adolf Hitler, who is worse?
2019-04-15 01:41
hitler obviously lol
2019-04-15 01:41
I dont know if it is that obvious ;)
2019-04-15 01:43
if this is a serious question there is no comparison really
2019-04-15 01:47
Marx killed thrice more than Hitler...
2019-04-15 02:22
Marx never killed anyone?
2019-04-15 02:32
His ideology did?
2019-04-15 02:32
No
2019-04-15 02:34
Your view on causality is seriously f'd up. I dislike communism too, but this is a joke.
2019-04-15 02:47
But Hitler or Stalin were the victims of his ideas, if not him, there might be no Communism and Nazism, hence no millions of victims. Ideas made them commit horrible acts.
2019-04-15 12:49
He was a smart man with good ideas and a prolific, respected writer. Don't see how it's his fault that some madmen implemented his theories poorly. Hitler and many other Germans became hateful of jews after reading Henry Ford's book "The international jew". And he traded with Germany all throughout WW2. Throw some shade his way why dontcha. He deserves waaaay more hate than, say, Karl Marx.
2019-04-15 12:58
#157
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Japan Getp0x0st 
lmao marx was not a respected writer, his work was laughed at and his only decent book was das kapital as it explains how capitalism works, the rest of his work is pure garbage
2019-04-15 14:07
#185
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Sweden chainylol 
according to... you?
2019-04-15 14:46
#210
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Japan Getp0x0st 
according to everyone with a brain no one considered any of marx's work good until he died and only das kapital is good, rest is pure shit
2019-04-15 18:18
#211
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Sweden chainylol 
What a dumb comment.
2019-04-15 18:19
#213
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Japan Getp0x0st 
its true and das kapital is only good at explaining capitalism not critiquing it
2019-04-15 18:20
#256
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Germany nobodyCS 
>analyzing and raising awareness to flaws >not critique choose one
2019-04-15 19:40
What about 'Das Boot'?
2019-04-15 19:42
#214
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Uruguay zero`SAMA 
flag doesn't check out, I thought Japan was smarter
2019-04-15 18:22
#216
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Japan Getp0x0st 
commies are retarded, especially modern day commies, at least the old left could kill people
2019-04-15 18:23
#161
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France TheArchitect 
Being Marxist, Socialist or anything close to left was illegal in nazi Germany ... the first to go to concentration camps were the communists.
2019-04-15 14:11
#223
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Norway SaltySausage 
they were they socialist party idiot
2019-04-15 18:33
#224
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United Kingdom wiLLow21 
nationalsocialist =/= socialist NSDAP = Facist SDP = socialist KPD = communist
2019-04-15 18:38
#266
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Norway SaltySausage 
how is socialist not socialist?
2019-04-15 20:49
You're looking at names, not ideas or practices
2019-04-15 20:57
#273
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Norway SaltySausage 
socialist
2019-04-15 20:59
Look at the motive. Karl Marx didn't want to kill millions of people, Hitler did directly
2019-04-15 18:25
#107
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
0/8
2019-04-15 03:16
#124
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
are u trolling or retarded?
2019-04-15 09:51
(you)
2019-04-15 14:22
+1
2019-04-15 09:58
#135
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Germany zeolikk 
are you dumb dude
2019-04-15 12:33
(you)
2019-04-15 14:22
#170
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Turkey tastemycobra 
Humans did
2019-04-15 14:16
remember when marx put up camps to kill people?
2019-04-15 02:37
So you really think it's better killing 18m of people than killing 6m OK.
2019-04-15 10:37
#189
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Greece hekzy 
When the fuck did Marx kill 18 million people? Fascist and totalitarian regimes killed those people, none of them died in the name of Marxism. I could go outside and kill 100 people with a machine gun and shout "Hail communism" but communism really has literally 0 correlation to the incident. Would you blame communism for those 100 murders? Fucking retarded logic, you capitalist pigs would do the most insane mental gymnastics in order suck on the toes of the elite. Retard.
2019-04-15 15:36
'When the fuck did Marx kill 18 million people?' search for Stalin and communism, 18m is actually a very low number they killed much more It's like when someone kill people in the name of X God, their religion is the one to blame. It's just logic. What a rude vocabulary. I don't believe in 2019 people still can't argue without offensive words. So intolerant, but it's what l expect from a marxist defending a person who killed more than 50 millions humans
2019-04-15 17:44
He just proved wrong your point and you repeat it
2019-04-15 18:20
#219
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Uruguay zero`SAMA 
His brain can't comprehend such rekt
2019-04-15 18:25
(you)
2019-04-15 18:45
fak I got baited I r8 8/8 m8
2019-04-15 19:33
#229
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Greece hekzy 
>'When the fuck did Marx kill 18 million people?' >'When the fuck did Marx >'When Marx >Marx >search for Stalin Let me repeat my argument which you clearly fucking ignored like the braindead ASSHOLE you are because you LITERALLY fucking REPEATED the SAME SHIT that I DISPUTED a FUCKING COMMENT ago. When the fuck did Marx kill 18 million people? Fascist and totalitarian regimes killed those people, none of them died in the name of Marxism. I could go outside and kill 100 people with a machine gun and shout "Hail communism" but communism really has literally 0 correlation to the incident. Would you blame communism for those 100 murders?
2019-04-15 18:43
Not reading ur "arguments", be more educated next time Marx killed A LOT of humans. Period.
2019-04-15 18:45
#235
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Greece hekzy 
Shut your whore fucking mouth and stay on the fucking ground you intellectual degenerate. You capitalist shitheads should recognize superiority when you see it. Fucking inferior piece of trash.
2019-04-15 18:46
dumb piece of shit
2019-04-15 19:05
marx didn't kill anybody
2019-04-15 16:06
nice try
2019-04-15 17:44
#61
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
0/8 nt nazi
2019-04-15 02:10
Karl Marx wanted to created a political system that helped the poor. He didn't want to kill anybody. Hitler wanted a mass extermination or deportation of the Jewish race. He killed 6,000,000 people directly.
2019-04-15 18:24
Btw most people just mention the 6 million jews, but I think it was closer to 11 million overall including groups such as disabled people, gypsies, and Slavs. And I know the average Chinese salary is low, but what is the prices of stuff compared to it?
2019-04-15 19:09
U don't know him personally so u can't judge him it only on others opinion
2019-04-15 19:09
#2
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United States gtmaniacmda 
Well, I don't really blame Marx for everything bad that happened because of his ideas, so Hitler
2019-04-15 01:42
Common sense, I like it
2019-04-15 12:34
#3
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
0/8 Hitler by a long shot
2019-04-15 01:42
Viagra did more for humanity than 200 years of Marx. Prove me wrong.
2019-04-15 01:42
#17
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Brazil UKita 
But that is not the point here
2019-04-15 01:47
He missunderstood it probably :/
2019-04-15 18:59
hitler, thats so obvious lmao you can compare hitler with stalin maybe
2019-04-15 01:43
Clueless kid
2019-04-15 01:44
brazil? even a primary school kid has more clue than an average brazilian with university degree
2019-04-15 01:45
That being said, can you imagine what you are when you know less than a brazilian?
2019-04-15 01:46
You just proved his point..
2019-04-15 02:03
#71
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Portugal nakbarone 
Yeah what the fuck...
2019-04-15 02:15
Kkkkkk you are dumb Trump low middle class
2019-04-15 02:12
Kkkkkk triggered ape fakeflagger?
2019-04-15 09:38
#125
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
you are the clueless one... you dont even know what Marx did.
2019-04-15 09:53
#174
cyx | 
South Africa bonkaz 
Edgelord.
2019-04-15 14:22
Hitler died over 70 years ago, Marx Ideology still living and is rising more than ever. For me that is not that obvious tbh.
2019-04-15 01:44
hitler killed millions with his hands, marx didnt.
2019-04-15 01:46
Wasn't his hands, he was a part of the deciding factor yes, but if you say it was at Hitlers hands, then Karl Marx is the reason for all the deaths communism has come with.
2019-04-15 02:04
That guy should stop arguing for us.
2019-04-15 02:52
You are clearly braindead, no need to argue
2019-04-15 09:35
Invalid argument, please load in next punch line! ...Loading... ...Error 404... have a nice day
2019-04-15 10:38
#191
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Greece hekzy 
#189
2019-04-15 15:38
#238
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Sweden Bangs 
Hitler directly ordered the killings of millions while Marx ideas gave birth to an ideology (that sounded good in theory) that would lead to millions of killings like 30-40 years after he died. Even if you wanna blame the deaths that came from communism on Marx, he never got blood on his hands while Hitler most def had blood on his hands no matter how you look at it.
2019-04-15 18:47
#28
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Other xrist 
What's bad with marx ideas? And white nationalism is a thing.
2019-04-15 01:53
Marx ideas is good in theory, bad in practice.
2019-04-15 02:04
they are good in practice aswell, name a country that went from a backwards farming feudal country to a superpower in 30 years and won the spacerace.
2019-04-15 02:33
#96
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Japan thankyoulenin 
+1111 also yugoslawia worked well (before the rest of europe + usa destoyed it), albania was also way better when they had socialism.
2019-04-15 02:48
They are decent in practice too, but you can't really say socialism is the reason the USSR became a superpower, they would've become a superpower regardless of their economic ideology. If they were capitalist, they almost definitely would've become a superpower. It's not like the USSR became a superpower solely on the back of socialism (in the ideological sense), they also had the New Economic Policy including market reforms, (all be it temporarily) and it was during a key period of Soviet industrialisation. At any rate, the modern world shows capitalism is better in practice than socialism.
2019-04-15 03:00
why didnt the tsar just turn it to a superpower then? or the provisional government?
2019-04-15 18:48
The Russian Empire was a superpower already though? It wasn't done in 30 years, it had been one already by like, at least 50 years.
2019-04-15 07:41
it had a life expectancy of 30-40 years which became 60-70 from the moment the communist took power, the russian empire was a big empire, but poor and disorginized, they had hard losses against japan and in the first world war, they wasnt a superpower that competed agaisnt usa, uk or france until after ww2
2019-04-15 15:27
marx even meant that russia wasnt evolved enough to have a socialist revolution
2019-04-15 15:28
The only reason it happened was because of extreme centralization, planism and authoritarianism. It is easy to become powerfull if you have no respect for human life, liberty and happiness. The same goes for the nazi ideology.
2019-04-15 16:15
sure, the russian people dared to stand up against the murderous tsar, suddenly was so scared to protest against the bolsheviks? makes no sense lol. the tsar did everything anti-communists claim the communists did but the people got scared to protest the communists?
2019-04-15 18:44
1) The Russian people didn't stand up against "the murderous tsar", just like the French people never stood up against their king. Both revolutions were done mostly by the bourgeois, the army and a minority of the people brainwashed by the bourgeois. 2) The people protested many times. Why do you think the goulags were full, you diphshit ? Every time the people protested it ended up with bloody repression. Just like the French revolution, the murderous bourgeois had to terrorize and slaughter the population to break its will and force them to obey. Every heard of the Great Purge and the Stalinist terror ? 3) "After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of 799,455 executions (1921–1953), around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulag some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement and up to 400,000 deaths of persons deported to Forced settlements in the Soviet Union during the 1940s – with a total of about 3.3 million officially recorded victims in these categories" -> And it is the official numbers, the real ones are probably higher. Obviously, it doesn't count the Holodomor (at least 5 millions dead Ukrainian). 4) Just like in nazi Germany, the only reason the Party was never overthrown is because it has a powerfull army and a mass propaganda system to avoid people having dissenting opinions. 5) Do you really believe the Ukrainian people were ok with their own genocide ? (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor) But they were still in the UDSSR, according to your logic it means they approved it ? Communists apologist like you make me throw up. You are as disgusting as the neonazis. Only people that never suffered from real socialism would want it. Read The Road to Serfdom or The Gulag Archipelago. Powerfull socialism states cannot cohabit with liberties and human principles.
2019-04-15 19:35
1) it was a proletarian revolution lead by a vanguard party, it was not a capitalist revolution like the french 2) the gulags at its fullest wasnt even the same rates as usas prisoner rate today. the gulags was filled with 97% ordinary criminals, source: cia 3) holodomor has been disproven as a famine thousens of times. how many dies in other prisons? 4) there was a mass protest against the party when kruchev had the "secret speech" against stalin blaming all errors on him, the speech has been disproven. 5) as before holodomor has been proven as a famine, even right-wing history writers say that stalins policies helped the famine, while the kulaks worsen it. it was goebbels which first meant it was a genocide and tried to nazify ukraine, did you know the famine was just as bad in kazhakstan but you dont know that did you? the gulag archipelago was written without sources only urban legends read grover furr, he uses the archives that has opened up after the fall of the ussr stalin is still voted nr 1 russian of all times by russian dispite 30 years of capitalism
2019-04-15 20:16
So you really are an apologist after all ? 800 000 executions, 1 million dying during deportations, 2 millions dying in Gulags, 5 millions from the Holodomor... and your only argument is "lul the US are not good too" when the US gov is OBVIOUSLY a disgusting cesspool. No point in discussing with people like you anyway, just like the Holocaust deniers. Same exact kind : you would much better believe that the entire world is a conspiracy rather than admitting anything. Just buy some piece of land and bring all the other communists with you so you could starve to death in peace like real communists do, it would only make the world a better place.
2019-04-15 20:28
why not listen to the people who lived under it, than nazi propaganda? holodomor has been disproven many times why blame a draught in ukraine and kazakstan to "communism bad cus dead" when you never mention the kazhaks? how will slavery in the third world, global warming, racism and imperalism end if we buy a piece of land to live on? there are many examples of people having communism in cities and communes, but that doenst achieve much. no point of discussing someone who never doubted anything he was taught by the state.
2019-04-15 20:38
#49
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Brazil LouZ 
rising more than ever LUL
2019-04-15 02:04
Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler and Iosif Stalin walk into a bar...
2019-04-15 01:45
#10
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Brazil Mentecapto 
marx is the goat
2019-04-15 01:45
Yes in South America, thats why you are so successful
2019-04-15 01:47
#19
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Brazil Mentecapto 
I never said SA is successful though
2019-04-15 01:48
#16
NiKo | 
Brazil deokcs 
Stalin Karl Marx ins't the worst, he just created the first movement that goes after the captalism, and he didn't kill anybody. On the other side, Stalin killed 20 million people.
2019-04-15 01:47
#21
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Brazil UKita 
Karl Marx was someone who wrote a utopia of equality among all while hitler wanted a supremacy of just one race. It is quite obvious don't you think?
2019-04-15 01:49
#146
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Germany Weiker 
+1
2019-04-15 13:31
/thread
2019-04-15 19:03
#22
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Norway PeteZz 
Marx was a snart guy, with alternative ideas. He would have hated tyrants such as Stalin and even Lenin. I don’t agree with his ideas, but his ideas have great academic value.
2019-04-15 01:49
#23
Potti | 
Other flynttt 
karl marx, weber or durkheim.. who is your fav base for sociology.. whas expecting something like this but guess this still is hltv after all
2019-04-15 01:50
just started college over here
2019-04-15 14:19
#24
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Portugal Stifmyster 
hitler Karl Marx was a smart guy for the period although his ideas have seen only failure
2019-04-15 01:51
If all he preached failed, then how could be a smart man?
2019-04-15 01:58
Hitler was a smart man as well, yet his country was torn apart :shrug:
2019-04-15 02:06
Hitler was crazy though
2019-04-15 02:08
#101
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
You need a fkcing smart guy to control a big piece of the country to fight against the whole world, not?
2019-04-15 02:57
He was smart in that sense, but he was still insane and fucked in the head
2019-04-15 02:59
#104
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Cant disagre with that, but he coud be more used, studied, idk, if analized by the way he did that with the people
2019-04-15 03:03
Use analysed* next time please it's better for everyone
2019-04-15 09:49
people have studied that extensively. the nazi propaganda techniques are used still today, in advertisement, on the news, by populist politicians. there have been many papers written about joseph goebbels campaigns.
2019-04-15 09:51
You need a very desperate people, with an economy filled to the brim with inflation to get someone like Hitler to lead you. I don't think Hitler was that smart tbh, Germany was just in a very desperate situation, both economically and politically. Hitler was just delusional and vocal enough to press his ideology unto the people.
2019-04-15 14:23
His ideas failure because humans is near a horse than a evoluted been
2019-04-15 02:15
#25
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Other xrist 
How do you even compare those two
2019-04-15 01:51
Hitler did not wrong Your mistake was to invade Russia.
2019-04-15 01:55
#33
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Other xrist 
So you think it was good to systematically kill jews, homosexuals, blacks, gypsies, disabled, mentally ill people and more????????
2019-04-15 01:57
#36
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United Kingdom tremm 
no one really got killed
2019-04-15 01:58
#39
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Other xrist 
Ah holocaust revisionist aka denier, cool!
2019-04-15 02:00
#41
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United Kingdom tremm 
Ah a good goyim, cool!
2019-04-15 02:01
#45
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Other xrist 
Go back to /pol/ you neo nazi, lmao you think you are so smart
2019-04-15 02:03
#53
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United Kingdom tremm 
I’m not a Nazi, I’m only like 10% germanic
2019-04-15 02:05
#66
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Other xrist 
Thats why i called u a neo nazi
2019-04-15 02:13
Rude and intolerant, I wonder why admins don't ban you...
2019-04-15 02:26
#83
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Other xrist 
He literaly said hitler did nothing wrong??? I didnt call him this for no reason.
2019-04-15 02:27
The correct term is "national socialist", the word nazi was created from Jews and it's a derogatory term
2019-04-15 02:29
#85
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Other xrist 
Ah u are one of them.
2019-04-15 02:30
#91
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United Kingdom tremm 
It’s too late brother, they already got to him
2019-04-15 02:36
#46
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Germany Deutschland! 
lol
2019-04-15 02:03
you mean that this man playing in the snow probably with his dog caused the death of 6 million Jews and much more in the war? , and was the cause of the holocaust? LUL Stop watch Hollywood movies imgur.com/a/6XbUIA6
2019-04-15 02:05
#57
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Other xrist 
So???? Ted Bundy seemed like a nice guy but behind the curtains he was a serial killer. Also who cares thst hitler "cared" a out aninals, he made an industry of killing millions. Are you trolling??
2019-04-15 02:08
Disabled? You must category these as Hitler found a use for German disabled people.
2019-04-15 02:06
#60
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Other xrist 
Ok so if your mother lost her ability to walk youd take her to the back off your shed and shoot her, cause she has no use anymore? Wtf r u saying.
2019-04-15 02:10
No? I said he found jobs for those who couldn't do other things, at some frontlines some disabled people were put as the machine gunners.
2019-04-15 07:39
Blacks in 40s Germany ?? disabled and mentally ill are not the same mentally ill people should not live imo its like having a vegetable
2019-04-15 02:48
#98
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Other xrist 
Ok the nazis didn't mass murder blacks as they did with gypsies, slavs and jews, you got me. But the nazis viewed black people as inferior. I didn't say disabled and mentally ill people were the same. Your views of mentally ill people is fucked though.
2019-04-15 02:52
>But the nazis viewed black people as inferior as they did with everyone who wasnt aryan dont get me wrong, nazis were pure scum but please stop trying to portray blacks as victims even on the fucking holocaust.
2019-04-15 13:55
#155
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Other xrist 
I never stated they were the main victims of the nazi regime. Where did I do that???
2019-04-15 14:02
you said that they were victims, not main victims
2019-04-15 14:09
#163
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Other xrist 
are you sure they werent affected in ww2 by the nazi regime??? you do realize that the allies had troops from their colonies???
2019-04-15 14:12
#103
mimi | 
Brazil mtnGOD 
Ofc hitler did nothing wrong is a bait, but for the strategical point of view his mistake was to mess with russia, if he didnt, the war could have gone totaly diferent
2019-04-15 03:01
meh he made plenty of mistakes when he directed his armies himself instead of letting his capable generals do it. if he had not invaded russia, stalin would have stabbed him in the back instead.
2019-04-15 09:46
Thing is Hitler always was paranoid and become even more so after some of his men tried to stab him in the back.
2019-04-15 16:23
its not paranoia if theyre really after you
2019-04-15 16:24
#242
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Sweden Bangs 
The fact that he was drugged up 24/7 probably didnt help his paranoia either
2019-04-15 19:03
some drugs help with that too
2019-04-15 19:18
#221
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Germany Baitlander 
HITLER fucked up dunkirk...he said the army should rest and not attack...biggest mistake ever. War would have been over if germans prevented english and frensh soldiers from leaving.
2019-04-15 18:27
#241
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Sweden Bangs 
> checks flag I guess the rumors really was true
2019-04-15 18:57
Stalin
2019-04-15 01:57
Comparing Hitler to Marx...
2019-04-15 01:59
#40
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Venezuela 643 
you can hate marx, but there's no denying most of the things he wrote are still valuable
2019-04-15 02:02
Are you really from Venezuela, if yes, i can accept this opinion...
2019-04-15 02:02
#72
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Venezuela 643 
brazil
2019-04-15 02:15
It was not Marx idea which was a failure, it was human being stupid russian
2019-04-15 02:16
what marx did fail to do was advocate for certain controls on the power of the state
2019-04-15 09:48
then things would not be equal for everyone, and the whole point of communism dies
2019-04-15 13:56
the point was more equality and rights for workers, not utopia
2019-04-15 14:13
after his writings gained traction equality became the main point, but for marx inicially utopia was the goal
2019-04-15 14:23
i didnt read that in his book, it seemed pretty practical to me.
2019-04-15 14:27
Communism failed everywhere and radical socialism is still failing everywhere to this day. It is not particular to Russia at all.
2019-04-15 19:38
#76
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United Kingdom paullll 
+1
2019-04-15 02:19
marx had some ok ideas that wont work in a modern society meanwhile hitler kille 6 million innocent jews but when we are talking about communist leaders then say mao or stalin
2019-04-15 02:04
The truth is that there is no good human so the uncentralized model, where the institutions exists but without too much power is the best
2019-04-15 02:18
without any central control, some people who are more capable than others will come out on top and eventually create their own centralized model.
2019-04-15 09:45
influence is diferent to coercion powerful people can influence others, it's not necessarily a problem
2019-04-15 14:15
it is when it consistently leads to them accumulating more and more wealth until they own nearly everything and then either economic crisis or war has to happen to reset the situation. the human cost is astounding.
2019-04-15 14:17
marx had some okay ideas about our modern society and the consequences of private ownership of the means of production and the industrial revolution etc. to say that they wouldnt work doesnt do much justice to either my state or the one you live in which are welfare states with high tax rates and a lot of workers rights where clearly a lot of ideas proposed by socialists, of which marx was just one, have worked and still work.
2019-04-15 09:48
#48
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Germany Deutschland! 
Marx
2019-04-15 02:03
Everything Checks out
2019-04-15 02:14
Where are u from? I didnt get it exactly based on ur profile
2019-04-15 19:06
marx is the goat
2019-04-15 02:13
#70
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Germany Deutschland! 
expected
2019-04-15 02:15
same
2019-04-15 02:16
hitler obv
2019-04-15 02:14
#77
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Brazil Caligvla777 
As a brazilian I have to say, just ignore brazilians answers on this thread, like US on the Cold War they fear communists.
2019-04-15 02:19
I would say the fear is legit. Communism brought so much pain and poverty, you have something to fear of.
2019-04-15 12:32
look all these commies saying hitler hans get the mg42, we have jobs to do
2019-04-15 02:19
get ze V2
2019-04-15 02:49
#111
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Israel soprendo 
Hitler was a commie too
2019-04-15 07:45
#128
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Germany Vini_1337 
lol are you are stupid? he banned all communist/left wing partys from germany after he got elected
2019-04-15 10:00
#88
World $oft 
hitler did not do anything wrong
2019-04-15 02:33
Marx
2019-04-15 03:05
Karl marx hated black people, he wants to kill slave( east europe ) prople because in your theory they are slaves.
2019-04-15 03:07
#110
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Israel soprendo 
Karl Marx proposed an ideology, people could've ignored him but chose to believe. Hitler brainwashed the people of Germany and systematically murdered them.
2019-04-15 07:45
Karl Marx didnt propose the marxist ideology, he said himself "i am not a marxist". he just wrote a couple books and manifestos telling the workers of the world they were getting the short end of the stick.
2019-04-15 09:40
also those german people chose to believe hitler when he said they were genetically superior, had a right to conquer all of europe and systematically murder all jews, gypsies, slavs and disabled people.
2019-04-15 09:41
Stalin is worse.
2019-04-15 09:39
#121
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Finland James Nelson 
MArx = good Hitler = better
2019-04-15 09:48
#126
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
dumbest thread in a long time... People dont even know who Marx was... smh
2019-04-15 09:56
#129
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Germany Vini_1337 
marx obviously
2019-04-15 10:00
#130
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Turkey tastemycobra 
i dont think comparing a theoretician to a practitioner is healthy.
2019-04-15 10:36
Mao was the worst
2019-04-15 10:48
#137
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Germany zeolikk 
obviously Hitler
2019-04-15 12:34
PROPHET NOAH 1st Son (forgot the name) 2nd most Evil Creature in Human History (2600BC - 2300BC) 1st King of Greek who Slaves their own People, Who create first Money Currency (from BARTER) in Human History NEMRUT/NIMROD most Evil Creature in Human History (2000 BC - 1700 BC), King of BABYLON Who Ruled/Slaves So many Race Around the World & kill so many Abraham Sons (Jewish) ADOLF HITLER is the WORSE +1
2019-04-15 12:44
They were both good
2019-04-15 12:40
Hitler was jealous of Karl Marx communism. Hitler wrote in "Mein Kampf," that he need a similarly strong ideology to oppose communism. So he took communism, mixed it with national pride and racial theory, and Communism 2.0 aka National Socialism was ready. Decide for yourself what is worse.
2019-04-15 12:56
+1
2019-04-15 13:09
#145
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Germany NatsuS 
Karl Marx book is full from true economic facts. The communism was his conclusion. So you say a book that can hold science standards is equal to a book with bullshit?
2019-04-15 13:11
true economic facts lmao
2019-04-15 14:10
#230
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
French education level - 15000^x
2019-04-15 18:43
Karl Marx and Communism Economic facts pick one
2019-04-15 14:10
#228
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
A conclusion isn't a fact. But his argumentation that lead to his conclusions have a lot of facts. It is like you would say Adam Smith idea a state should only provide 3 things is a fact... You A brain Pick one.
2019-04-15 18:42
If you knew economics, you would know that there are laws in economics like in physics. Marx ignores them all. His approach involves coercion and the reprogramming of the human being.
2019-04-15 19:18
true economics facts HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA we are achieving levels of brain damage never seen before
2019-04-15 14:17
#225
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
So the difference between the production utilities are fiction? I guess u didn't read one single page.
2019-04-15 18:39
I'm 10000000% sure you haven't read a single of his works/words. Seriously, why are Germans so full of shit, lol.
2019-04-15 14:30
#226
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
I am sure you didn't read a single page.
2019-04-15 18:40
#194
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Russia cuba_libre10 
+1
2019-04-15 16:11
#147
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
While Karl Marx and his ideas have lead to some quite horrible things, you can’t really blame him for the actions made in the name of communism.
2019-04-15 13:33
>says that to implement his ideas, an bloody revolution has to happen >not his fault.
2019-04-15 14:02
#156
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
I’m not defending him, but just because you write some dumbass shit doesn’t mean that you are responsible for other people reading that shit and acting upon it.
2019-04-15 14:05
#181
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Brazil UKita 
Surrender bro, some people over here think that Marx is responsible for every bad thing that happened.
2019-04-15 14:28
Karl Marx had decent ideas, and the result sadly ended with the creation of Socialism and Communism. His ideas probably had some sort of potential but unfortunately people basically twisted and ruined them with the life ruining ideologies.
2019-04-15 13:35
nt fake Romania
2019-04-15 13:43
#150
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Poland mamba99999 
Their inventors - zionist jews.
2019-04-15 13:46
#196
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Russia cuba_libre10 
underrated reply that will most likely fade into the mist... we are like puppets fighting over communism/capitalism when the real puppeteer behind this charade are the zionist jews, sly bastards
2019-04-15 16:13
#206
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Poland mamba99999 
exactly.
2019-04-15 17:28
#276
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United Kingdom tremm 
+1
2019-04-15 21:02
both, soon marx still killing people everyday, soon to reach, soo...
2019-04-15 13:57
nice bait
2019-04-15 14:11
#165
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Georgia Broozman 
Hitler and Stalin xD
2019-04-15 14:13
Harry S. Truman
2019-04-15 14:13
#167
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Finland Nick_Gears 
Stalin Mao Zedong
2019-04-15 14:14
bro marx is a fucking author
2019-04-15 14:15
You have to think behind it, dont watch only at the surface
2019-04-15 14:42
#179
cyx | 
South Africa bonkaz 
Adam Smith and Milton Friedman - the real villains.
2019-04-15 14:26
#184
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Poland mamba99999 
More like Keyness and Krugman.
2019-04-15 14:44
#186
cyx | 
South Africa bonkaz 
Good point.
2019-04-15 14:56
#199
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United Kingdom tremm 
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
2019-04-15 16:17
#203
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South Africa bonkaz 
XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2019-04-15 17:00
The real villains ? For being decent economists unlike Marx and every socialists ever ? It is not Friedman/Krugman/Keynes/Hayek/Smith fault if socialism is crap and will never work without totalitarism.
2019-04-15 19:42
#190
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Poland misioneos 
marx, because he is creator of hitler
2019-04-15 15:38
Hitler ofc Marx didn't want to slay all his enemies to reach his utopia.
2019-04-15 16:08
“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.” Marx, 1848, Neue Rheinische Zeitung No. 136 No sane human being could pretend to implement State Socialism without revolution and coercition. There is no other way and Marx knew it like most socialist thinkers.
2019-04-15 19:47
karl marx just invented the idea of communism, good guy
2019-04-15 16:11
Unfortunately i am too many bans away from discussing on this subject, wish i could enlighten you people more but mods don't seem to like the truth or even questioning things.
2019-04-15 16:17
Marx? Do u mean Stalin?
2019-04-15 16:18
MARX ofcourse
2019-04-15 17:11
Marx
2019-04-15 17:14
Marx killed 100 million
2019-04-15 17:34
Marx didn't kill anybody. His ideas didn't kill anybody. The authoritarianism that took over Communism under Lenin and Stalin is what resulted in people dying. Nothing in Marxism supports authoritarianism.
2019-04-15 18:47
“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.” Marx, 1848, Neue Rheinische Zeitung No. 136 While I agree that Marx never idealised revolutions, he still admitted the use and helpfulness of it. Das Capital isn't the only book Marx wrote, you know. Marxism is larger than the sole utopia.
2019-04-15 19:52
Hilter didn't kill anyone with his own hands ;)
2019-04-15 20:55
Mao Zedong and communism is worse
2019-04-15 18:22
Stefan Löfven
2019-04-15 18:25
Karl Marx is obviously way worse. Not even a question.
2019-04-15 18:29
Karl Marx wrote about the needs of the common worker to benefit from the fruits of their labors instead of going to the wealthy. Don't blame Marx for Leninism, which is more a bastardized version of Marxism that includes elements of authoritarianism, and what the Soviet Union instituted. Marxism may not be feasible in larger societies, but in towns and cities it's still a pretty good idea. When workers are doing all the hard work, them being the owners of the means of production makes some sense.
2019-04-15 18:45
MARX
2019-04-15 18:41
#240
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United States ClickHole 
Marx influenced the actions of Stalin and Zedong so definitely him
2019-04-15 18:54
Marx for sure. Fuck the left
2019-04-15 19:03
Did you read Marx's ideas or somethion about his life ? The ideas of Marx were almost perfect, unfortunately we never saw the real socialism. He already predicted, that the tyrants will use his ideology for propaganda and bad things. btw Churchill and Stalin were worse than Hitler.
2019-04-15 19:05
Almost perfect ? Not really but worth the read that's for sure. We never saw the real socialism, because it is utopia : it will never happens. Agree with the last part though. Churchill is an underestimated psycopath and mass murderer.
2019-04-15 19:55
marx stupid..... why criticize proudhon? why control League of the Just? anarchism is 100% better youtu.be/2zczriUBRA0
2019-04-15 19:40
Why do people hate communism, socialism here? Not at all a bad idea. A mixture of all the ideologies can make up a perfect world. You all seem like there is no fault in capitalism but there is in communism or socialism. I'm not a fan of capitalism. Its not the idea's fault but the followers fault. Socialism or communism doesn't say that you go kill people or do bad to them,etc. Russian revolution is one of the best moments in history and I think it was the base to make Russia a powerful country.
2019-04-15 20:49
Russia is powerful military wise, but the other things are just like in a 2nd or 3rd world. Russia is because of the communism still poor, just look at the villages etc. Moscow and St.Petersburg are on western level.
2019-04-15 20:53
But thats not what should be outcome of communism. Russia adopted capitalism and probably has a change in their basic ideologies. There is no country in this world where pure communism exists. I think you don't recognize the idea behind it. Rather take it as this country is communist, this is capitalist etc because they did adopt one in history but don't recognize their current ideology. Even it is mentioned in constitution of India that we are a socialist country but in reality our system is more or less like other capitalist countries or even more capitalist. I blame capitalism for this lag in development.
2019-04-15 20:58
Shut up youre using internet because of capitalism and expressing your free speech because of capistalism you cunt! No other system provides that!
2019-04-15 20:58
Lol In India's constitution it is mentioned, India is a socialist country. You kids think providing internet and free expression of speech is only part of capitalism. First try to understand the ideas. Tell me whats the correlation between giving internet and freedom speech and basic ideology of capitalism,socialism.
2019-04-15 21:02
Socialism is the dictatorship's ideology, freedoms are suppressed, just do not see those who is evil, benefits from him or who does not want to see the truth. We have a lot actual examples: North Korea,Venezuela,Cuba,China all those shit countries your can't even criticize the government or you will be jailed or shot if you did not starve to death before do it!
2019-04-15 21:10
You are way off topic dude. Your understanding is something how anyone studying in US will understand. Literal meanings and ideas are hidden from you. I see people saying Marx as a mass murderer but they forgot about the attacks a capitalist nation did on Japan,Vietnam,Iraq,etc. Why tf did they do that if they were good? You might say they were trying to save their country and capitalism but if you give it more study, you will find that US tried,tries to influence more international affairs than any other communist country. I'm not praising China or North Korea or Cuba, but they are certainly better than US in maintaining the global peace. These countries follow their own version of the ideology. Thats what modern people think too but the originals are different.
2019-04-15 21:57
No other ideology in world has killed and destroyed so many like communism/socialism and his derivations Mao Tsé Tung Stalin Lenin Jong-Un's Maduro Castro's all those nasty dictators uses communism to achieve power and destroy everything and everyone!
2019-04-15 21:02
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