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capitalism, socialism or communism
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United States southamerican 
2019-04-17 00:31
Socialism would be the best in a perfect world, but sadly we don’t live in that
2019-04-17 00:32
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France swag0 
however we can still try to make things better, we still have time, humanity still has time
2019-04-17 00:33
venezuela
2019-04-17 00:44
wtf r u talking ?
2019-04-17 16:50
thats because he is a bolsominion all brazilians problem is because of PT/Socialism/Comunnism...They say keep saying
2019-04-17 22:12
#344
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Brazil MrLucas 
Sadly the truth for almost 50% of our population
2019-04-19 17:15
expected from #lulalivre leftist
2019-04-21 00:53
#248
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Anyone: Socialism Conservative: But Vuvuzela
2019-04-18 11:38
#301
Sonic | 
South Africa TMKF 
Lmaoooo
2019-04-18 15:38
#334
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Europe tweekzter 
Capitalism is flawed. Let's try something that didn't work at all so far instead.
2019-04-19 13:31
#347
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Estonia ropz_bestest 
but venezuela shows that socialism doesnt work my friend
2019-04-19 18:52
#351
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Vuvuzela showed that when the one thing your reliant upon falls apart so does the country. Vuvuzela was literally dependent on oil which halved in price. Anyway, 70% of the gdp is from the private sector, 55% of healthcare is from the private sector, 80% of the workforce is in private employment. Much socialism clearly.
2019-04-20 10:24
Venezuela increased State costs based on Oil prices being high, when the price got down, their economy collapsed but the state cost was still there.
2019-04-21 11:34
+1, lets kill another few millions people to make sure that this utopia doesn't work
2019-04-17 11:47
what. the quote of a life in my career here tf
2019-04-17 16:15
spot on american politics
2019-04-17 18:20
yea, but making things better in a non/perfect world doesn't happen with socialism
2019-04-17 17:58
#209
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Finland James Nelson 
Huh, why you think nordic countries are best in the world? Its because of socialism.
2019-04-18 08:17
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France PowwneD 
Also France, due to social movements that improved French peoples life
2019-04-18 08:21
finland isnt completely socialist, in some kind of way yea, and thats good, but a socialist system reaching every sector of finances is bad
2019-04-18 09:44
#331
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Norway bruhfessor 
Finland is capitalist, not rven close to socialism. Taxes have nothing to do ith socialism
2019-04-19 13:27
i guess so, and yea i agree that finland is capitalist, how else could we be doing fine
2019-04-19 13:48
#231
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Finland ToxicDUD 
cuz we are not the best we are not free
2019-04-18 10:24
#233
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Finland James Nelson 
how you are not free ? finland happiest country and every fking noob is helped here if he dont know how to stay alive
2019-04-18 10:30
#236
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Finland ToxicDUD 
No freedom of speech No right to self defence Government is forcing us to pay for the living of lazy ass people who are unwilling to contribute to society. In a way they tell us at gunpoint that we owe these people money cuz they exist or some shit. I owe them nothing yet I have to pay
2019-04-18 10:32
#237
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Finland James Nelson 
haha nobody forces you at gunpoint, freedom of speech is here, right to self defense too. I did read about a guy who shot other one with illegal firearm and it was declared self defense here. He did get charged for illegal firearm though. Yes we are forced to pay but you do realize its also for the old people, it was for your free education and free meals during that, for free healthcare too. But you can stay mad and delusional.
2019-04-18 10:35
#240
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Finland ToxicDUD 
its not free, its never free, its someone else (the rich mainly) paying for someone elses commodities. Also we do not have freedom as speech as there is stuff that we cannot say cuz its too offensive or disrespectful for example kunnianloukkaus also we are not allowed to even own a gun let alone use any means necessary to defend ourselves. If u attack me for any reason and I were to stab u in the face for example I would get charged for murder while in the greatest nation god ever created and the ONLY nation with freedom of speech that being USA I would be allowed to defend myself with any means necessay. God bless America
2019-04-18 10:38
#247
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Finland James Nelson 
Maybe move to USA fucking tard then, it doesnt matter that the rich mainly pays it they still have tons of money. You realize in USA you have nothing without good job, no healthcare and common people need to work their ass off paying all the loans that they can even afford fucking education. Meanwhile the rich store their money in taxhavens bank and laugh their ass off for the retards. Freedom of speech is different from kunnianloukkaus. Obv kids cant make their point without insulting someone
2019-04-18 11:36
#251
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Finland ToxicDUD 
Freedom of speech includes all kinds of speech except for the calls for actions. And yes in US u get nothing without a job. So you better start doing something or you will starve. You should pay for those commodities as you are not entitled to for example doctors or teacher's labor. Same with rich paying a lot the money should not be yours to take. They have earned it with their labor so you are not entitled to it even if they happen to have lots of it. If i felt like u had lots of smth that wouldnt give me the right to take that away from u would it now?
2019-04-18 11:41
#261
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Finland James Nelson 
They dont earn it anymore. It just rolls in and they just find more ways to get advantage of the system. I agree that people should do something and not give all for free though. Your comparison is dumb. I would give if I had too much though. I would give it voluntarily and pay my taxes too. Unlike most of the rich fucks. Then common people go around and hail them because they are rich. Also for freedom of speech you do realise that its the americans who get offended first and start to talk about rasicm
2019-04-18 12:06
#314
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Finland ToxicDUD 
offended or not its legal And yes I believe u should give xs money to charity but i dont believe in forcing
2019-04-18 20:30
"It just rolls in" Do you have all muumit in the laaksossa?
2019-04-26 10:12
#438
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Finland James Nelson 
yes, they dont have to do much, they pay for some people to maximize their profits. Its not about even making good products anymore, its about marketing and luck. And marketing nowadays is only ''BUY NOW'' and shove their shit in to your face no stop. Maybe give little sum to some charity and post about it on twitter. Or maybe the ''labour'' they do is they find new ways of avoid tax
2019-04-26 13:04
It rolls in end of their careers yes, but its not luck thats pretty pathetic to say. And how does it matter if money rolls in if you had to work 15hours per day when you started your company for first 10 years? :DD you are so out of this world. Youre saying that they dont earn it when they worked pain in the ass with their whole wealth and theres risk that your company goes to bankrupt and then you have less money than construction workers.
2019-04-26 13:50
#441
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Finland James Nelson 
Yeah so in the end of their carwer its fine that they rip off people and make money through asian sweatshops for example. And its not only luck but luck os certaibly needed
2019-04-26 15:04
#332
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Norway bruhfessor 
thats just retarded, average american is richer than average finnish person
2019-04-19 13:28
Of course rich people should pay more. They are still rich and majority allows for them to be rich. Democracy is not an oligarchy for the rich.
2019-04-19 08:28
#353
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Finland ToxicDUD 
"allows them to be rich" Yes they dont rob them wtf is ur point?
2019-04-20 20:12
Go move to Venezuela please
2019-04-17 00:36
Venezuela is an example of socialism gone wrong
2019-04-17 00:36
Socialism* so that’s what you wanted
2019-04-17 00:37
Wat
2019-04-17 00:37
#23
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Latvia BionicRick 
Socialism always goes wrong.
2019-04-17 00:45
Scandinavia?
2019-04-17 01:09
#45
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Sweden DanzigOrWar 
social democracy
2019-04-17 11:52
Scandinavian countries have more monetary and business freedom than USA. They are capitalist with no doubt, even tho taxes and welfare are high there. forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/.. quora.com/Why-is-socialism-so-highly-eff.. con4lib.com/the-myth-of-the-scandinavian.. There are many market restrictions in Sweden (housing market, alcohol, etc), but their economy is still freer than economies of other European countries overall. Huge welfare doesn't make them socialist. Capitalism did Sweden and other Nordic countries rich, not "socialism" whatever it means. reason.com/2019/01/02/sweden-isnt-social.. libertyandcommonsense.com/?p=429 libertarianism.org/publications/essays/h..
2019-04-17 12:00
That's why socialism doesn't mean what it did 150 years ago. Today you can't oppose socialism and capitalism. Socialism is a way to regulate capitalism as it is in many european countries.
2019-04-18 00:07
#210
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Finland James Nelson 
+1
2019-04-18 08:18
#241
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Norway bruhfessor 
-1
2019-04-18 10:41
Do you read comments or just copypaste the same point over and over again? Maybe you would care to read links I left instead of starting a controversy? Ok, it turns out that "socialism is a way to regulate capitalism". But Nordic countries (mainly Sweden) regulate very few sectors, their business freedom is one of the highest in the world. If you call them "socialist" you should call like so every country in the world. Why don't you call Turkey or Russia "socialist"? I mean, these are not so trendy examples, but we have much bigger public sector and much-much more regulations on capitalism. And in Venezuela the regulations are much bigger, they even regulate prices. But you call "socialist" one of the most freest capitalist economies in the world, how is that? But I understand you, it's very sad when your theory doesn't work so need at least something to mention as example of "working socialism". So you take one of the most capitalist states and call them "socialist". Too bad that even Hayek in his Road to Selfdom citied Sweden as example of situation when capitalism with laissez-faire makes a poor nation rich.
2019-04-18 10:10
#242
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Norway bruhfessor 
+1 ez rekt
2019-04-18 10:42
#252
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
In the Nordic states, however, the state doesn't need to implement said regulations or minimum wages because workers unions are so powerful and nearly everyone is a member. In literally every other country, unions face severe limitations so the government has to do their job for them.
2019-04-18 11:43
I agree with you, but I didn't even talk about workers rights because almost everywhere in Europe they are quite high, without or with strong unions. Labour regulations are not the only regulations on business. I'm not even sure if they changed something there when they switched to free market economy in 90s, but they had cut other regulations and public sector dramatically.
2019-04-18 12:40
In your speech, you still oppose capitalism and socialism. You don't seem to understand how capitalism can be regulated. Not just with economic laws or nationalized industry, but also with redistributing policies, exactly why northern europe is named for.
2019-04-18 19:51
All countries except few banana republics have redistribution of wealth. Calling it "socialism" is nothing but populist sophistry.
2019-04-18 20:39
All country except few banana republics have regulation law of companies, it doesn't make them not capitalist. You got it right?
2019-04-18 22:05
What? Who said that regulations make some country not capitalist? You? Holly hell dude, I don't know if you argue with your own point or just put words in my mouth, but it becomes more and more sophisticated, so bye.
2019-04-19 08:25
#335
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Europe tweekzter 
Let's maybe just call it capitalism with a social system on top? Things like the green new deal and other stuff are just retarded. Trying to oppose Trump by being even more radical and stupid. The funniest part tho, is, that people which propose such ideas, are not willing to give up on personal luxury. Like going on vacation by plane, etc. If you are not willing to fully commit - don't tell others what to do.
2019-04-19 13:40
Yes that's what is about socialism today : increase the social system in a capitalistic world. That's why, in an international scale, we can consider northern countries, France, Portugal or whatever as 'socialist' model. That's for this very reason Sanders call himself a socialist and his opponent say his proposals would only work in "fancy north european countries". I'm not fully aware of all inside the new green deal but from what I saw it is far from being retarded. On a a side note I agree with you that 99% of the people willing to improve ecology policies are not willing to do anything against their confort as they should. Worst, most loud people about it, such as celebrities are those polluting the most among individual pollution. For exemple Di Caprio in Cannes (France) take a quick private jet to go to new york, get a price for his action for ecology and come back to France. Anyway, since what's needed for ecology would mean for capitalism, it's heavy regulation and such, I consider it as a lost cause. We humans are a cancer for the living ecosystem of earth and we metastasized already.
2019-04-19 15:29
#79
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Denmark how_much_ 
we are largely capitalist, try to understand what socialism is before using the word
2019-04-17 16:25
Would you like to have 60% tax rate?
2019-04-17 17:22
#129
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Japan Getp0x0st 
i mean if i made a million dollars a month it wouldnt impact me much
2019-04-17 17:55
And would you pay that much if you could? Even if you were not forced?
2019-04-17 18:11
That's why government and law exist : general interest =/= personal interest.
2019-04-18 00:08
#194
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Japan Getp0x0st 
>would you take 1 million dollars or 500,000 dollars obviously i would take the first, which is why laws exist to ensure this doesnt happen
2019-04-18 02:43
#211
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Finland James Nelson 
Does anybody who makes million a month pay 60% taxes?? Most likely no but the money sits in some tax haven country bank. You maybe u think this is good
2019-04-18 08:20
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Germany Shadyy89 
They pay the 60%. But at the end of the year they pay some tax consultant who knows the tricks to get them back most of the money they were paying during the year. E: At least thats how it works in Germany
2019-04-18 12:18
Same in France, and then when Notre-Dame burn, they give 200M $ and want us to be thankful while they stole bilions to the people each year lmao
2019-04-21 11:42
#412
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Germany Shadyy89 
Yea and the 200 million will mostly be given back from tax payback at the end of the year anyway. Works with most donations/charity stuff so most likely also in this case
2019-04-22 14:06
exactly
2019-04-22 14:11
#243
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Norway bruhfessor 
Socialism is an economic system defined by the social ownership and operation of the means of production. At its most fundamental level socialism is about social ownership of productive assets and greater scope for individual autonomy in the management of work processes; at its most comprehensive level, socialism is about the supersession of the accumulation of capital and the profit system by an integrated system of production and resource allocation which operates under its own set of dynamics. All of this has absolutely nothing to do with taxation whatsoever.
2019-04-18 10:43
#255
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Don't say people are paying 60% tax because they aren't. most people apart from the ultra-rich will just clip the top Tax bracket with the last 10% of income. all people pay much less than 60% as other tax brackets are much lower. This happens in every country with progressive taxes. 45% tax is paid in the UK over £150,000 but someone earning £200,000 will actually pay £75,000 in tax so their actual rate is 37.5%
2019-04-18 11:52
I was talking about Denmark
2019-04-18 12:41
#333
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Norway bruhfessor 
If you are paying 60% tax in denmark you are just dumb because the richest dont even pay 60%
2019-04-19 13:31
people talking about fancy tax rate add tax on incomes, VAT, local taxes, etc.. to end with that number
2019-04-19 17:46
2019-04-17 18:15
#35
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Russia LEMANZWER 
go to USSR dude)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
2019-04-17 01:52
Isn't it a little late to do that?
2019-04-17 22:15
time machine EZ
2019-04-17 22:52
Can I please borrow men
2019-04-17 23:12
yez men
2019-04-17 23:17
Thank you men
2019-04-17 23:18
#260
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Even more arguments ad. Vuvuzela
2019-04-18 11:57
Venezuela happened because they based 90% of their economy on oil and used that money for socialism, if they had spread out more they probably would not have had programs as large but they wouldn’t be having these problems now.
2019-04-17 11:52
#51
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Norway bruhfessor 
In socialism you will always have an elite and rest suffer. Capitalism will always win due to supply&demand
2019-04-17 12:59
#213
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Finland James Nelson 
You have this elite in capitalism too. In socialism we atleast help the poor end.
2019-04-18 08:22
#219
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Norway bruhfessor 
Wrong. Finland is not a socialist country, hence there is no "we". Capitalism will always provide more for the poor, which Nordic countries are a great example of. But if there is a lot uncontrolled immigration (resulting in them having government support and them being unemployed) then only US type of capitalism is sustainable.
2019-04-18 10:03
#229
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Finland James Nelson 
Yes we are capitalist countries with socialism too. US is capitalist country with no socialism and it surely doesnt provide better for the poor. But I agree that the support for these unemployed lazy fucks who dont even try should be cut. Not meaning only immigrants
2019-04-18 10:21
#244
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Norway bruhfessor 
Socialism is an economic system defined by the social ownership and operation of the means of production. At its most fundamental level socialism is about social ownership of productive assets and greater scope for individual autonomy in the management of work processes; at its most comprehensive level, socialism is about the supersession of the accumulation of capital and the profit system by an integrated system of production and resource allocation which operates under its own set of dynamics. All of this has absolutely nothing to do with taxation whatsoever or having a good health care.
2019-04-18 10:45
#249
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Finland James Nelson 
ah whatever, I dont get stuck with these definitions. I have just been told that Finland for example is now more socialist than russia is so I thought we were socialist / capitalist nation. Pure capitalism still fucks us because there is no limit for the greed of some people. So we need to regulate it
2019-04-18 11:39
#254
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Norway bruhfessor 
Theres nothing wrong with pure capitalism. Pure capitalism does not deny taxation and good healthcare
2019-04-18 11:52
#262
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Finland James Nelson 
Well there is nothing wrong with pure communism either. It just doesnt work. Just like pure capitalism doesnt. People just find a way to take advantage of something for their own good.
2019-04-18 12:07
#269
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Norway bruhfessor 
??? Pure capitalism works just fine if you would understand what capitalism means
2019-04-18 12:37
I would like to know more about this, where can I look?
2019-04-21 02:39
So, its bad to base 90% of your economy on oil, having the biggest reserves in the world? Venezuela happened because the money from the oil was STOLEN by the Socialists in power, killed the national production by nationalizing everything from food, to electricity, water etc. wich was all, ovbiously, corrupted as well. Besides that, Cubans, russians and chinese are also taking money. So dont make a fool of yourself talking about shit you dont know about. Att. A Venezuelan.
2019-04-17 18:42
#258
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Another Argument ad. Vuvuzela
2019-04-18 11:54
I dont even know what that means.
2019-04-18 15:01
#257
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Argument ad. Vuvuzela
2019-04-18 11:54
#259
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Yet Another Argument ad. Vuvuzela
2019-04-18 11:57
#43
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Sweden jakerr 
Socialism is closer to dictatorship so fuck off
2019-04-17 11:49
#59
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Norway bruhfessor 
Socialism only works in very small communities like within families or small tribes, it will never work in bigger populations because people are inherently different with different goals, ambitions and capabilities. Even thinking it would work in large scale is just lazy thinking, which is typical for weed smoking leftist hippies
2019-04-17 14:42
#130
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Germany nobodyCS 
explain to me how different goals, ambitions and capabilities of individuals conflict with a socialist society
2019-04-17 17:56
inb4: bEcAuSe EvErYbOdY iS tHe SaMe UnDeR sOcIaLiSm
2019-04-17 19:47
#164
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Norway bruhfessor 
expected response from 80iq communist
2019-04-17 21:56
#186
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Germany nobodyCS 
hahah I have a beautiful memory of one of my history classes where we were discussing socialism, when a classmate said something similar, I just left the class. the teacher came to me later that day and told me he would've done so as well. plus I didnt get marked absent :D
2019-04-17 23:41
#239
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Norway bruhfessor 
So he supports antisocial behaviour, what an idiot teacher
2019-04-18 10:37
#173
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Norway bruhfessor 
Do you think you will work harder if you own your company and have a direct result on profits based on how efficiently you work, or do you think you work as hard when government owns the company and you get paid as much as your lazyretard comrade no matter how good you are? Do you know how supply&demand works in capitalism and how it works in socialism?
2019-04-17 22:09
You don't understand how socialism works do you?
2019-04-17 22:17
#220
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Norway bruhfessor 
Actually you dont
2019-04-18 09:56
xeah because socialism is when the state owns everything right
2019-04-18 16:37
#306
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Norway bruhfessor 
Socialism is an economic system defined by the social ownership and operation of the means of production. At its most fundamental level socialism is about social ownership of productive assets and greater scope for individual autonomy in the management of work processes; at its most comprehensive level, socialism is about the supersession of the accumulation of capital and the profit system by an integrated system of production and resource allocation which operates under its own set of dynamics. All of this has absolutely nothing to do with taxation whatsoever or having a good health care.
2019-04-18 16:43
1. then why did you say " or do you think you work as hard when government owns the company and you get paid as much as your lazyretard comrade" when that's not what socialism means? 2. When did I ever say that taxation or healthcare is socialist
2019-04-18 16:56
#308
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Norway bruhfessor 
because communism is a branch of socialism so it is not wrong, eventhough it is a bit exaggarated
2019-04-18 16:59
communism doesn't mean state ownership my man
2019-04-18 18:25
#313
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Norway bruhfessor 
The system with the highest level of government control is communism. In theory, a communist economy is one in which the government owns all or most enterprises. Central planning by the government dictates which goods or services are produced, how they are produced, and who will receive them.
2019-04-18 19:58
nice understand of communism. where did you learn this shit? communism is stateless, classless and moneyless. It's why people say communism has never been achieved. It's also why the USSR, Cuba or China never were communist. None of those countries ever achieved a stateless and classless society.
2019-04-18 21:45
#325
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Norway bruhfessor 
Nice, you are a communist fanboy and dont even understand how a real world communism enterprises works. protip: if you are a communist country you will still need to be able to import/export goods 💪😎👍
2019-04-19 09:13
"Nice, you are a communist fanboy and dont even understand how a real world communism enterprises works." What? "protip: if you are a communist country you will still need to be able to import/export goods" what's your point?
2019-04-19 16:28
#328
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Norway bruhfessor 
Also China is not communist at all but state-capitalist, its not even socialist
2019-04-19 12:54
#184
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Germany nobodyCS 
the irony is incredible, its almost like you proposed an idea critical to capitalism there you do realize that companies in socialism, not some authoritarian state-socialism, are collectively owned by their workers, meaning they'd have so much more incentive to work and engage, as opposed to private ownership in capitalism, where the workers own nothing. Well they do have the ability of striking to push through their interests by chance, but that contradicts with your hard work ethic of capitalism however, this is irrelevant to my original question: now explain to me how different goals, ambitions and capabilities of individuals conflict with a socialist society. except ofcourse your understanding of goals, ambitions and capabilities is to earn more than someone else, in which case I cant even believe what a broken and unwordly person im talking to
2019-04-17 23:34
+1 unbelievable how ill informed people are when it comes to socialism and communism. They all think socialism is when the state owns everything and everybody gets the same
2019-04-17 23:37
It's funny. People live in european union and don't get how socialism works. In european union is; it's managing europcountries economy with money trades. making rules for markets and taxing countries. Nordic countries have similar stuff inside countries; in finland you get cancer treatment even if u have no income. Only poor uneducated people dont like socialism or then your dad have beaten you up. Or your narcist parents coundt handle the fact that You cant slave workers in their own business like in US movies. Modern socialism is limiting freedom of markets and providing help for those who are in need. Riches in americans have to build a wall around their mansions. In finland they dont. They pay some +10% taxes and the ''trash'' are healthy enough to work. Alright kids go school and dont fear crackheads, homeless, mentallyderanged people because they are not seen as "paying customers" only "customers" everyone still get paid. So keep been greedy and feeling superior than others. In the end if shit hits the fan your just a human!
2019-04-18 07:23
#222
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Norway bruhfessor 
Finland and Scandinavia are capitalist you twat, and so are every single country above 10k gdp per capita.
2019-04-18 09:59
You are halfly wrong fuck you birth asphyxia born kid. It's not black&white you are messing things with american logic that; socialism = communism = marx leninism Example finnish 40% nations owned company gets funding from taxes. Hes competeting with shame market share with norway company. When that finnish company makes profit it gets back to taxes with profit + employees finnish people. That is socialism in modern era.
2019-04-18 10:27
#232
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Norway bruhfessor 
nice englando shame shame. Still capitalist country
2019-04-18 10:27
Im not really trying to convince you anything. As you are clearly just playing along and know that i am right.
2019-04-18 10:31
#235
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Norway bruhfessor 
Why do governments collect taxes? The true “inventor” of Capitalism Adam Smith said about taxes: “The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.” This boils down to the purpose of governments and how us, as a society pays for it: Most scholars and economists agree with: · Providers of security · Providers of Justice · Administering government properties Beyond that is where the debate starts: · Health · Education · Taking care of elders · Help those in desperate need · Protect and promote free markets This list can grow as long as anybody wants. There are countries that want very little government intervention, like USA and others to include more items in the list, like European countries. Some of the answers of this question reflect clearly that some people hate any form of government intervention, except when they need it (hurricanes, floods, accidents on the road, at sea, etc.). My question to them is: Do you want to negotiate an ambulance coming to you when you are in the middle of an accident? The topics that I have included are related to my personal views and preferences: · When many citizens cannot afford Health (like in the USA) regardless if they have a job or not, society becomes unjust. · Same thing for Education. · Taking care of Elders is a must. We as humans, should help those in desperate needs, otherwise…what are we? In Europe, Education, Health, Caring for Elders, and Help the needy ones, discussing this is out of the question. In the USA is more …you are on your own and “it is up to you” or “you do not work hard enough”. So which is better? What do the stats tell us? Europeans are more willing to pay taxes to cover the cost of those added items in the list, so they do not worry about health, quality of education, or who is going to take care when they grow old. Quality of living shows that Europe is better in many aspects compared to USA. Europe does better in all educational tests, the live longer and healthier and you see a lot less people living on the streets. But besides my personal tastes about government intervention, governments should be small, fit, transparent, accountable and limited terms to avoid political dynasties. All these plus check and balances. All this cost money. Taxes should cover them. So it is not about socialism, it is about logic. tl;dr: taxes have nothing to do with the concept of socialism whatsoever.
2019-04-18 10:34
So it's logical to be socialism? You describe there exactly how socialism work. Im making capitalism as far right as you are trying to make socialism left. world trade might be capitalist but europe is leaning to socialism. In finland rightwing parties have attacked our monopolies and labor unions hard. They already sold alot infra to private investments and its hurting our economy. You are way to naive to think that money can run world better place. It's people that does it. Capitalism is making private sector control those you mention above which makes them expensive and people live in debth. it's sad that you dont see how capitalism and socialism work man.
2019-04-18 10:59
#253
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Norway bruhfessor 
You dont even understand what capitalism means or is lmao 😂😂😂
2019-04-18 11:51
#256
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Norway bruhfessor 
Also labour unions have been cancer in finland preventing stuff like stores being open on sundays or late evening and so on, luckily that has changed a little, but they are still way too strong
2019-04-18 11:53
" Im making capitalism as far right as you are trying to make socialism left." like i typed in earlier. I mean form of free market capitalism. Yes you can buy services with taxes but in free capitalism monopolies can be bought and be controlled with money. It's socialism if someone interfere it with limitations and laws. Capitalism is making profit expense of greater good for society. In capitalism son and daughter job is to help grandparents even if they dont have money(only help bank loans). Labour unions that you mean are paid by working class to look after their interest. Labour unions get their % share monthly from your paycheck. Owners class have their unions aswel. Are you fucking kiddin me dude? capitalism means that owner rules. If you own land, its yours. socialism means that people rules. If you own land. You have society responsibilities. Tell me why are you againts socialism and unions? and why you have deluded view of capitalism? I am thankful for unions that they step up past years. Without em we would have lose more than gain. I really hope you arent part of working class. If you really think like that about unions.
2019-04-18 13:38
#300
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Norway bruhfessor 
Create a company and you will know. Sorry I dont have energy to argue with marihuana commies who live on government support
2019-04-18 15:29
#223
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Norway bruhfessor 
Go create a company and you will understand you fucking leftist hippie :D
2019-04-18 10:01
#228
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Norway bruhfessor 
+nobody is preventing you from creating a company in a capitalist society where you can give equal amount of shares to the janitor
2019-04-18 10:20
#319
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Germany nobodyCS 
its not possible, competition
2019-04-18 23:55
#327
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Norway bruhfessor 
So you are saying it is not good? surprise surprise
2019-04-19 11:49
I mean it could work. Co-ops already exist. Also he meant that it's not good in a capitalist society, that doesn't mean that socialism doesn't work as socialism and capitalism don't function the same.
2019-04-19 16:31
#341
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Norway bruhfessor 
Socialism doesnt work which is why there are no socialist countries above 6k gdp per capita, it is pretty simple. China is not even socialist. North Korea could be considered socialist, and it is fucking trash.
2019-04-19 16:47
" there are no socialist countries above 6k gdp per capita" there is.. "China is not even socialist." Never said it was?
2019-04-19 17:13
#346
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Norway bruhfessor 
Show me one socialist country with gdp per capita above 6k
2019-04-19 18:49
cuba
2019-04-19 19:15
#349
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Norway bruhfessor 
thats cute but it is a capitalist country. It uses money, has a class system, a wages structure, and has a state, and the workers are exploited exactly the same as in avowedly Capitalist countries, so like Russia, China,countless African states it is a state Capitalist country, although the west loves to think it is somehow Socialist/Communist.
2019-04-20 00:28
"It uses money, has a class system" nothing to do with socialism "a wages structure, and has a state, and the workers are exploited exactly the same as in avowedly Capitalist countries, so like Russia, China,countless African states it is a state Capitalist country," true, but if you wanna be that strict about your definition there probably hasn't been a socialist country yet. The same exploitation still existed in the USSR etc.. The closest we ever got to actual socialism would probably be the Free Territories of Ukraine or Revolutionary Catalonia, where there was no actual state and most of the workforce managed themselves
2019-04-20 04:35
#352
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Norway bruhfessor 
Exactly because socialism doesnt work in real life in country scale
2019-04-20 18:17
you say that but there hasn't been a single socialist country to prove it.
2019-04-21 00:29
#355
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Norway bruhfessor 
AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT, because it is 100% retarded
2019-04-21 00:51
is it tho? i mean, workers selfmanagement kinda worked in catalonia. Or in the free territories of Ukraine.
2019-04-21 01:22
#360
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Norway bruhfessor 
Yes it works in small scale like within family or in a business. It doesnt work in a big scale, and never will. That is why trade has existed long before coins existed. People give you 5 furs so you make a table or 2 furs for a sack of potatos and whatever. You really underestimate how fcking lazy and stupid or just pure narcissist some people are which what capitalism ignores by "rule" and what would fc up socialist places.
2019-04-21 08:43
idk man I wouldn't call 3 million people small scale
2019-04-21 13:18
#396
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Norway bruhfessor 
ehh? the 3mill is not socialism
2019-04-21 14:46
what
2019-04-21 15:01
#398
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Norway bruhfessor 
You claim 3mill live in socialism which is a blatant lie
2019-04-21 15:16
i didnt
2019-04-21 15:54
I do not know. how it works?
2019-04-21 03:03
no thx only NA porks of left accept this
2019-04-17 16:15
how would socialism be better than communism?
2019-04-17 16:26
#83
mixwell | 
Spain loviac 
+1
2019-04-17 16:50
capitalism in a perfect world capitalism is perfect
2019-04-17 17:22
#172
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
When is this OJ troll getting banned
2019-04-17 22:09
A perfect world wouldn't need political systems at all.
2019-04-18 12:08
do you know what socialism is?
2019-04-18 14:54
If he wants it - he doesnt 😎
2019-04-21 08:54
true
2019-04-23 14:46
Because capitalism destroyed the perfect world.
2019-04-18 16:40
#374
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
It's not okay to steal from other people, even in a perfect world.
2019-04-21 11:20
In a perfect World, were politicians would not value power and people share things without greed, even anarchy can work. In this world, socialism ends in dictatorship and economy collapse.
2019-04-21 11:31
I advice you to read more
2019-04-24 07:04
I do read, but i take my head from the books and look around too, i advice you to do that.
2019-04-24 17:49
#3
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United States southamerican 
bumperino
2019-04-17 00:36
shit, shit or shit
2019-04-17 00:36
#7
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United States PsychoLogical 
all 3 are shit in their own ways. unfortunately we have to go with the least shit since the other two shits are atrocious scams.
2019-04-17 00:38
Typical response from someone who says that all sides are bad but can’t come up with a better way for things.
2019-04-17 00:40
#42
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Austria WhiteHawk7777 
that's the general consensus on this topic. All of these systems are flawed in their own ways, all of them have advantages and disadvantages. None of them are really good, but nobody has been able to come up with a better system, so we just have to use the one that sucks the least.
2019-04-17 11:48
#53
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United States PsychoLogical 
this guy gets it, the replier doesn’t :D
2019-04-17 14:30
#152
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
+1
2019-04-17 18:25
How you have said all sides are bad when asked how you can fix it you never answered.
2019-04-18 15:26
#375
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Because there is not neccesarily a fix.
2019-04-21 11:21
Enlightened Centrism (TM)
2019-04-17 11:52
#376
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
How is this enlightened centerism? He said to go with the least shitty of the three, that could mean Social democracy or anarco capitalism.
2019-04-21 11:22
+1
2019-04-17 18:23
#10
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Israel soprendo 
Bunch of commies on this forum!
2019-04-17 00:37
#27
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United States southamerican 
6 isnt that much tbh
2019-04-17 00:54
xd
2019-04-18 07:32
Anarchism
2019-04-17 00:38
anarcho capitalism or anarcho communism?
2019-04-17 17:22
Anarchopacifism
2019-04-17 17:30
ah so anarchocapitalism i see
2019-04-17 17:38
I dont believe in capitalism
2019-04-17 17:42
socialism involves violence though
2019-04-17 17:42
Anarchism is not socialism or communism.
2019-04-17 17:43
but socialism involves violence therefore pacifism cannot coexist with socialism
2019-04-17 17:49
Yeah. And I'm talking about anarchy not socialism
2019-04-17 17:49
anarcho pacifism has to be capitalist
2019-04-17 17:51
Only anarchocspytalism defend economy. Anarchopacfism denies capitalism.
2019-04-17 17:54
#377
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
So how do you suggest resources are distributed in your perfect society?
2019-04-21 11:22
#131
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Japan Getp0x0st 
So you're 15 year old or retarded or both
2019-04-17 17:57
Idk if I'm retarded but I'm totally sure that I can't be both
2019-04-17 17:59
#136
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Japan Getp0x0st 
You can be 15 years old and retarded.
2019-04-17 17:59
No I can't be 15 yo
2019-04-17 18:00
#138
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Japan Getp0x0st 
You can be both, you might not be 15, but theoretically with no information about you, you could be both
2019-04-17 18:05
Im Einstein theoretically
2019-04-17 18:06
#148
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United States codgun 
theoretically you're both the smartest HLTV user and the dumbest
2019-04-17 18:21
/close
2019-04-17 18:21
Lmaoooooooo
2019-04-23 06:01
#13
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
why would you put communism just asking for trolls
2019-04-17 00:39
#15
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United States southamerican 
some people on this site support communism.
2019-04-17 00:42
#16
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
your an impassible
2019-04-17 00:43
#17
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United States southamerican 
wanna fight?
2019-04-17 00:43
#18
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
'An estimated 160 million Americans are either obese or overweight. Nearly three-quarters of American men and more than 60% of women are obese or overweight. These are also major challenges for America's children – nearly 30% of boys and girls under age 20 are either obese or overweight, up from 19% in 1980.'
2019-04-17 00:44
#19
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United States southamerican 
wow
2019-04-17 00:44
#21
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
'An estimated 160 million Americans are either obese or overweight. Nearly three-quarters of American men and more than 60% of women are obese or overweight. These are also major challenges for America's children – nearly 30% of boys and girls under age 20 are either obese or overweight, up from 19% in 1980.'
2019-04-17 00:45
#22
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United States southamerican 
wow
2019-04-17 00:45
#24
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United Kingdom SLurSs 
the largest group in your country are obese burger women
2019-04-17 00:46
#92
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
True theres lots of idiots here
2019-04-17 17:21
why not
2019-04-17 16:26
they all have their flaws, but capitalism is the only one that brainwashes you into thinking its great, most capitalist countries have stupidly high wealth inequality
2019-04-17 00:46
#26
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United States southamerican 
+1
2019-04-17 00:50
Better wealth inequality than equal poverty
2019-04-17 00:54
#169
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Greece hekzy 
Are you seriously fucking speaking from Moldova? The country that literally turned into garbage after the USSR fell? The country that literally romanticises the times of communism?
2019-04-17 22:05
It's not the fault of capitalism, the fault is the education, wrong politicians and the socialist history. If the USSR would've been till now it would be much worse.
2019-04-18 00:37
You're an idiot , wealth inequality isn't a problem as long as growth rate is stable and fairly high , also living standar and many other factors. Capitalism is by far the best there is , with it's flaws , it is the freest and most meritocrat system that there is. You're a disgrace for your country.
2019-04-17 00:58
except it is a problem when the top 1% have more wealth than the bottom 90. my country is a disgrace to its self, it's rife with racists and bigots, parliament is a joke, mp's care more about their pay check than the welfare of the country.
2019-04-17 01:50
Except for the part where your bottom 90% lives better than my top 0.1% you fucking idiot. Welfare??? that shit should be abolished , you've been brainwashed buddy , you've got no clue wtf you're talking about.
2019-04-17 11:44
+1 Uh the government doesn't do anything for me, let me just go buy cigarettes and alcohol with the money they gave me. WOW now I have no money for my children. Stupid Capitalism and government.
2019-04-17 18:18
lmao you clearly have no idea
2019-04-17 22:03
Yes I do I live in East London with my single mum who works in fucking Morrisons
2019-04-18 00:02
do you want a medal?
2019-04-18 04:20
No you said I clearly have no idea and I told you my situation so I clearly know what I'm fucking talking about you cretin
2019-04-18 15:01
me the idiot? you're the one saying the top .1% of your country lives worse off than my bottom 90%, you do realise you have 8 billionaires right? Your top .1% is living in luxury... you don't even know the difference between welfare the word and the welfare system. Let me make my point clear... I want the richest people in my country who hide their money on off shore accounts to PAY THEIR FUCKING TAXES.
2019-04-17 21:57
Yeah classic leftist idiot who hasn't got a clue about basic economics and loves to virtue signal...you don't love the poor , you just hate the rich. 8 billionaires in the 8th biggest land on earth with 50 million citizens , are you fucking retarded???? they haven't even got 40% of the wealth circulating Argentina , and we all know who those families are , and let me teach you something quick , half of those families became billionaires thanks to lobby power in our alt leftist shit ass socialist economy , because they're in bed with the politicians lying their asses off in the pink house. And in case you didn't know , wealth distribution is much more equal in Argentina and Venezuela than in UK , you're just trying to dodge the topic and mislead readers because it destroys your equality bullshit ass agenda. The billionaires in your country keep their money in tax heavens because your country is a tax hell , dumb motherfucker , maybe instead of giving government more and more power to take away the wealth of the rich , take government's power away to incentivize the rich to bring their wealth back home???? you , like most first world leftists are a fucking idiot beta cuck soyboy who's a closet authoritarian STRUGGLING to stay hidden , you have no clue wtf you're talking about and you have no clue how good you have it , your country should go in the polar opposite direction of which you wish it to go.
2019-04-17 22:05
classic rightest idiot who creates an argument from nothing to dodge the topic then claim you're the one doing so... first of all your claim was that your top .1% were living worse off than my bottom 90 which logically is inaccurate... my argument was never comparing the UK to Argentina, in fact my argument was never even about my own country, you're the one who brought this up by claiming i'm a disgrace to my country. So your entire argument about your country is just irrelevant. just because i come from a place of privilege doesn't mean i can't criticise capitalism. The rich keep their money in tax havens because that's what capitalism breeds... greed. it's literally in the title CAPITAL.
2019-04-18 04:49
is this a joke? you literally just dodged all of my factual counter-arguments , said i did something i didnt do and then proceed to that yourself , just seriously how old are you? "The rich keep their money in tax havens because that's what capitalism breeds... greed" No the rich keep their money in tax heavens because they worked hard for it and after getting robbed dozens of times with all the taxes on all levels on all things , they jus don't feel like getting robbed for just saving money. Also what is wrong with greed? it's blatantly obvious that you've go no clue what that word means. Once again , you've been brainwashed , get the keynesian nonsense out of your peanut brain and learn how to do 2+2 .
2019-04-18 05:25
you are actually mentally ill aren't you? What factual argument have you even presented let alone for me to dodge... all you've done so far is try to insult me and tell he how much of a traitor to my country i am because im criticising it. And i have a problem with greed when there are a billion odd people in the world who are living in extreme poverty whilst there are people on this planet who have so much money that they wouldn't be able to spend a fraction of it in several life times. Im done having this conversation because all you can seem to do is insult me instead of coming up with anything of substance.
2019-04-18 12:42
Alright , you're good at switching topics like all leftists scumbags , but i will adress your autism directly. "And i have a problem with greed when there are a billion odd people in the world who are living in extreme poverty" The places where those extremely poor people live are anything BUT capitalist , they are not poor because of capitalism you fucking retard wtf are you talking about???? are you one of those leftist who claim Afrika is fkd because of capitalism??? the last continent on earth to be ruled by a bunch of communist dictatorships is poor because of capitalism??? is this a fucking joke?? Afrika is poor as fuck because they dont have capitalism nor real institutions , that is what they need REAL CAPITALISM AND STRONG INSTITUTIONS , THE LAST THING THEY NEED IS FREE STUFF AND SOCIALIST NONSENSE YOU FUCKING MORON. "whilst there are people on this planet who have so much money that they wouldn't be able to spend a fraction of it in several life times." But they don't , they dont pile all that money up to look at it and jerk off staring at a giant pile of money bills you dumb motherfucker , they invest that money into expanding their business , creating new jobs , giving oportunity to people to progress in their lives with dignity , and also....how do you think that the billionaires who are not in bed with the politicians got their money??? they did something extremely useful to society which brough the living standar up. But the most important thing is that you're aproaching the whole thing from the wrong starting point , of course nobody likes the fact that theres hundreds of thousands of Afrikan childs who die out of starvation every single day , but the answer to that should be "what can i do to make that better? me as an individual , how can i create something or start something out that will make them better" , the answer should NOT be "hmmm yeah yeah they're poor...but look at this guy hes so rich....if he's rich and they're poor , it must be at least indirectly his fault , let me take his stuff by force all in name of social justice and equality" , that is just authoritarianism , pedantic and quite cowardly. And one thing i wanna say and let very clear is that...you know , it is very easy for your people to say all of this keynesian socialdemocrat nonsense while you live in a very capitalist and individualist country , but somehow it seems to be really hard to actually back up your words with actions , you never live what you preach , you'd never switch places with me hahahahah , if the policies that you advocate for got put in place , your country would start to be like mine , if the policies i advocate for got put in place here , my country would begin to be like yours , i'd bet my left nut that if both started the process at the same time , THEN you'd come here....you're just a fucking hypocrite , pussy and a beta male.
2019-04-18 16:31
The top 1% do not have more In the 1800s it was a 5% and 95% division, nowadays it is less
2019-04-17 11:56
and what happened after the 1800s? decades of huge economic depressions and world wars. guess where we are headed? back to that 95%
2019-04-17 14:27
except growth rate can't be fairly high for ever. Great system, economy just collapses every decade
2019-04-23 06:14
#379
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
You know what else capitalist countries have? Ridiculously high standards of living. Wealth inequality does not matter, standard of living does.
2019-04-21 11:24
None
2019-04-17 00:55
Voted for Socialism, but only because Utopianism wasn't a choice.
2019-04-17 01:05
Feminism
2019-04-17 01:11
#36
Jame | 
Russia LEMANZWER 
free market&white power
2019-04-17 01:52
you get it
2019-04-17 17:23
Conservatism
2019-04-17 01:57
national socialism would be great, the only ideology that actually works for the economy and people.
2019-04-17 02:00
+1 This guy knows 😎👍
2019-04-18 07:27
#270
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Norway bruhfessor 
*knows nothing
2019-04-18 12:38
*Knows everything that is possible to know in this world 😎👍
2019-04-18 12:40
#275
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Norway bruhfessor 
80iq name checksout
2019-04-18 12:42
You have no room to talk tbh
2019-04-18 12:43
#280
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Norway bruhfessor 
Keep talking mr “hand in asshole”
2019-04-18 13:18
I will mr.bigot
2019-04-18 13:19
#282
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Norway bruhfessor 
Stating your name is bigot? nice logic
2019-04-18 13:20
Learn the rules of English smh
2019-04-18 13:22
#284
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Norway bruhfessor 
expected from communist
2019-04-18 13:24
wtf
2019-04-18 13:31
#302
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Norway bruhfessor 
2019-04-18 16:01
+1
2019-04-18 08:25
fascism 😎
2019-04-17 02:15
:D
2019-04-17 14:33
#150
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United States codgun 
+99
2019-04-17 18:22
#44
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Sweden DanzigOrWar 
the fuck would you even put communism
2019-04-17 11:51
Social capitalism
2019-04-17 11:54
#55
Czech Republic Wer_ 
Wtf 50% vote capitalism?
2019-04-17 14:34
I'm also shocked that only half of us want freedom.
2019-04-17 14:51
+1 freedom is only compatible with capitalism
2019-04-17 17:24
#171
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Greece hekzy 
Freedom of being poor and dying xD
2019-04-17 22:07
#287
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Greece hekzy 
I could literally do the same thing, blackie.
2019-04-18 14:51
#380
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Except standards of living increase under capitalism and decrese under socialism. See China, Venezuela, Cuba, South vs North Korea, etc for examples.
2019-04-21 11:25
#405
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Greece hekzy 
Your statement is so wrong on so many different levels. Firstly, none of these "republics" are actually communist. They are only typically, but practically and factually they are either inhumane capitalists (China), fascist dictatorships (Venezuela, Cuba) or totalitarian dictatorships (North Korea). Secondly, in all of those countries the standard of living has increased drastically through the 20th and 21st century, just compare Venezuela and Cuba from the 1800s to now, look at China's middle class rise in the last 10 years and going (like how tf are you gonna tell me China's living standards have worsened? Are you this clueless?). Even North Korea, not as advanced as the South but still more advanced than pre world war 2 Korea (puppet of Japan). Standard of living has absolutely nothing to do with the political system, it's got to do with technological and human development and advancement. But hey, at least you gave me the same retarded arguments any other brainwashed crapitalist gives.
2019-04-21 19:44
#423
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Funny you should mention China, since the "free market zone" and looser economic policy since the death of Mao is pretty much THE reason for the growth of the middle class. Venezuela and Cuba are both poor due to socialist policy. Standard of living evidently has to do with political system. Capitalism drives innovation, and is alongside war the main reason for this explosion of innovation we have seen over the last couple of centuries.
2019-04-23 19:27
#407
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Greece hekzy 
Also, check Moldova, Belarus, Transnistria, Afghanistan if you want to see decrease in living standards historically (the only decrease in living standards that has ever happened), all because of the fall of USSR and the institution of inhumane capitalism.
2019-04-21 19:47
Of all the countries you mentioned only one is actually socialist lmao. Also: "In 30 of 36 comparisons between countries at similar levels of economic development, socialist countries showed more favorable PQL [physical quality of life] outcomes" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2430906 ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771..
2019-04-23 06:12
in perfect world there is free market of isms to choose gladly capitalism is the best -TaxationIsTheft!
2019-04-17 14:35
Amen, brother!
2019-04-17 14:52
#381
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
+1
2019-04-21 11:25
#57
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United States gtmaniacmda 
Capitalism
2019-04-17 14:38
Denmark Socialism, but bigger economies like USA will never go away from capitalism.
2019-04-17 14:40
#60
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
What do you mean 'Denmark Socialism'?
2019-04-17 14:43
Better quality in school example, allow all education regardless of their financial situation
2019-04-17 14:44
#63
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
Yeah but Denmark is still a capitalist country, even if it has some socialist social policies.
2019-04-17 14:46
true
2019-04-17 14:46
#88
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
Denmark is a capitalist country...
2019-04-17 17:19
#62
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
Theoretically, communism is best but realistically capitalism is better.
2019-04-17 14:47
#86
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
L M A O
2019-04-17 17:18
#87
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
What's so funny?
2019-04-17 17:19
#90
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
Communism isnt better even on paper... It punishes skillfull and hardworking people. Why should a toilet cleaner earn as much as doctor or it technician???
2019-04-17 17:20
#91
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
Because then everyone prospers rather than just the doctor?
2019-04-17 17:22
#98
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
Whaat? Im dumb and lazy, i just wanna sit at home doing nothing. Give me the same money as doctors cuz it doesnt matter they dedicated like 10 years of their life to getting their degrees. I just wanna wank together with my mommy!!
2019-04-17 17:24
#106
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
It's better than the capitalist system where hard workers are punished, even though they work hard.
2019-04-17 17:27
#108
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
I dont know any hard worker being punished. My father is hardworking. From a regular factory worker he become a businees owner. Has new cars and had built a house without any loan or mortgage. Thats great and possible to capitalism. Thank you capitalism.
2019-04-17 17:30
#111
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
I'm not cursing capitalism, and that's great that your father did so well but imagine if your father was born stupid, and wasn't able rise up and just stayed as a factory worker, but he was still a hard worker. Then he had a family of 2 children, but he wasn't able to support that family because of his low wages. You'd want him to be able to support you, right? Theoretical Communism would provide him with the ability to support your family. The point of Communism is to support even the disadvantaged, and the people who provide the services nobody else wants to.
2019-04-17 17:34
#114
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
Theres working hard and working. Lifting stone in a quarry might seem hard but its actually very lazy, although its physically demanding. When i was a kid, up to like 15, we were dirt poor. I also have 2 siblings, yet he managed to get better qualifications and never gave up on improving his skills and abilities.
2019-04-17 17:37
#174
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Greece hekzy 
Theoretically socialism relies on retards like you not existing and taking advantage of the system. It relies on everybody finding purpose in their life by work itself, not by money. The contribution is all the purpose a human should have. Theoretically still better.
2019-04-17 22:11
will you quit it with the leftist nonsense retard?
2019-04-18 05:29
#288
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Greece hekzy 
I'm an intellectual. Nonsense is for retards, not superior beings like myself.
2019-04-18 14:52
and you want all the crackheads and other lazy losers to be worth the same as hard working people, ONLY because they exist? even in an utopian, communism is absolutely immoral
2019-04-17 17:25
#107
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
And you don't think it's immoral for hard workers to be in poverty purely because they provide a service that's seen as unskilled, like a toilet cleaner? In an ideal society, everyone would be providing a service, and people who are born disadvantaged can still the reap the rewards of the collective society. It's not like anyone would be suffering in the Communist model, as opposed to the Capitalist model.
2019-04-17 17:29
#110
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
Yeah u little baby everyone is not equal. And not everyone cannot do everyrhing, someone is stupid, someone is smarter. Thats how life is. Also explain why should i get uni degree or any education at all if i earned same money even with elementary school sitting at gate watching cctv.
2019-04-17 17:34
#112
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
I'm not saying everyone is born equal, but everyone should be able to prosper even if they're not born equal. That's the moral solution.
2019-04-17 17:35
#116
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
I dont think theres a single full time employed starving person in eu.
2019-04-17 17:39
#119
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
Not starving doesn't mean prospering. But I invite you to maybe provide some statistics.
2019-04-17 17:42
#121
ropz | 
Czech Republic rusteD 
Statistics about nonexisting data? Yeah sure.. Define prospering lmao Read some shit here. worldhunger.org/world-hunger-and-poverty..
2019-04-17 17:46
so you want people to pay a toilet cleaner $35 an hour? just out of pity? lol or do you want to steal from people who worked hard and dont want to have anything to do with him so your unskilled worker gets paid a lot? how is it the skilled's fault if the unskilled can only do jobs that dont pay
2019-04-17 17:40
#140
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
There would be no money in a communist society in the first place, what would be the point? People would be allowed to take what they need. Doctors obviously have a higher value than a toilet cleaner, and there are other ways to pay back a doctor, for example better holidays. A doctor would be entitled to what he needs, and so would a toilet cleaner so everything is fair. The doctor isn't being punished, and the toilet cleaner isn't being rewarded for his apparent lack of work (according to you), it's just phasing out the inequality inherent in capitalism. You are assuming people are lazy, and would choose not to work, but how can you know they wouldn't work? Labour is a part of human nature, according to Marx. This is coming from a non-communist, you'll get better arguments from a real communist.
2019-04-17 18:12
ok, imma need my daily gourmet lobster tail with caviar and a penthouse dont want to work either, i cant do anything
2019-04-17 19:00
#382
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
So what gives you the right to steal from harder working people?
2019-04-21 11:27
#386
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
Nothing? When did I claim someone could steal from harder working people?
2019-04-21 11:34
#387
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
You want to take other peoples money against their will and redistribute it to other people, no?
2019-04-21 11:35
#388
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
No, I don't, I'm not a communist I'm just saying a theoretical communist society would be best for everyone (sure some people would lose, but overall humanity would benefit). But people are too greedy for communism to properly work.
2019-04-21 11:37
#389
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
Ok so you are not socialist/communist? Sorry for the misunderstanding then. My point still stands though, even if it is the best for everyone and even if humanity would benefit (which i dont think it would) it is still stealing when you take someones wealth against their will.
2019-04-21 11:38
Social capitalism with a super huge investment in green would be my choice.
2019-04-17 14:46
How exactly is that supposed to work? Once voluntary trade and property rights are restricted or abolished, there is no capitalism. Since there is no voluntary socialism, the two are mutually exclusive.
2019-04-17 14:55
Id say Just be like denmark i guess where there is capitalism but with a good welfare system and also a good green investment(but i would say even more in this part)
2019-04-17 16:12
I'd be for more Hong Kong. A low infant mortality rate, high life expectancy, a first-class and inexpensive healthcare system and an average retirement age of 54 sounds sexy.
2019-04-17 16:18
Wow sounds dope tbh. But yeah you get the point xD
2019-04-17 16:22
I do, of course. I was in the same boat, but left it 20 yrs ago.
2019-04-17 16:24
But since Hong Kong is such a small country and the Chinese federal government has got a hold in the housing market , a big bubble has been created in the past 5 years where literally no normal person can afford a house , not even the high class , only the very very top of the elites. They need a bigger land and they need to get the Chinese government off of their backs , none of those things are gonna happen , so although HK is a capitalism paradise , it kinda broke its purpose when this happened , the whole point of capitalism is self ownership followed by private property , what's the point in living somewhere where you will never own your property? property is so expensive that any middle class citizen who was able to buy a house back in 97-2011 could just sell their shit off and retire for life and go to live to another country.
2019-04-18 05:45
The Chinese government's interference is getting worse and worse. They are destroying this little paradise. If you consider that in 1950 Hong Kong was in a worse state than Cuba and today Hong Kong is one of the most modern metropolises in the world (it looks more like Blade Runner every year) because John James Cowperthwaite consistently enforced self-determination and property rights, you could almost cry. But to this day, Hong Kong's citizens are trying to resist the chines interference. I hope the best for them.
2019-04-18 10:19
Only 1 right answer
2019-04-17 16:13
#156
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United States codgun 
flag checks out for answer?
2019-04-17 18:30
Only 1 answer because Xi Jinping is watching.
2019-04-17 23:46
At least china work well in our way.
2019-04-18 06:15
capitalism ,isnt great but it is less shit than communism or capitalism.
2019-04-17 16:18
THE CALIPHATE IS WHAT YOU AND I NEED
2019-04-17 16:19
Communism
2019-04-17 16:25
loser
2019-04-17 17:26
ok?
2019-04-17 19:43
#82
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Indonesia edwardnauli91 
ANCIENT MONARCH/REPUBLIC/DEMOCRACY who Controlled by GOOD & Wise LEADERSHIP People (PERFECT SYSTEM for World ORDER/PEACE LIFE) +1
2019-04-17 16:48
#155
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United States codgun 
>Democracy >Republic Pick one
2019-04-17 18:28
for me DEMOCRACY/REPUBLIC same Thing, But Democracy is way better than Republic +1
2019-04-17 19:38
#85
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Israel fvlion123 
National Socialism : )
2019-04-17 16:53
Flag really doesn't check out
2019-04-17 18:19
it really doesnt
2019-04-18 00:10
laugh now, but one day we will have no one in charge and no system anymore. ur spirit will witness it but ur body i doubt it.
2019-04-17 17:20
#102
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Yugoslavia kief 
just get embalmed and then your body can witness it as well
2019-04-17 17:25
Feudalism
2019-04-17 17:23
where is fascism or natsoc?
2019-04-17 17:24
#103
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Yugoslavia kief 
those are nono words
2019-04-17 17:25
#153
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United States codgun 
exactly, incomplete strawpoll from crowderfag
2019-04-17 18:26
Why are you so obsessed with labels? It's just limiting in every way. First of all, these isms were conceived of hundreds of years ago. Haven't we learned a lot since then? Talk about how we should design a society based on current knowledge, instead of endlessly debating which outdated ism is better. Because they all suck in some way.
2019-04-17 17:26
Wow so progressive men
2019-04-17 17:37
The word progressive has become associated with cultural bullshit like feminism and PC culture, so it's hard to know if I'm being insulted or not =)
2019-04-17 17:53
You're cute , but you're an idiot.
2019-04-18 05:47
Always nice to get clear insults instead of oblique ones, but could you elaborate?
2019-04-18 12:45
I guess he hints that your point sounds romantic but makes no sense. Hundreds of years don't make some theory wrong (socialism is bad because it doesn't work, not because it's old), "endlessly debating" is actually good for all of us and "we should design a society based on current knowledge" sound exactly what most of left populists say since Marx.
2019-04-19 08:53
That is probably the most stupid thing I have ever heard, sorry to say. So because some old farts wrote down ideologies hundreds of years ago, that work now cannot continue because people like you are too categorical? I just don't understand that. Things are changing all the time, and things are changing really fast lately. For instance when Marx and Smith and co. wrote their books we needed labor in the workforce. Now, we need a lot less labor in the workforce. I personally don't think socialism or communism could ever work as long as people need to work a lot. But we don't anymore. Most people have bullshit jobs that are not required for our survival. It's just a machine at this point.
2019-04-19 13:02
Keep up ignoring political philosophy and economic fundamentals, and just keep reading popular science articles in media. You're not stupid, but I see lack of basic knowledge. I told you gently that your opinion is a bit childish and explained you why, sad you don't listen and get offended so quickly.
2019-04-19 13:23
I didn't get offended but I stand by what I said, it's stupid to not be able to discuss ideology because "it's been done". That is stupid, plain and simple. I am well aware of 20th century history in particular. As I said in my original post, both capitalism and socialism suck in some way. Maybe capitalism sucks less, hard to accurately say and kind of irrelevant at this point. We know now to a greater degree that inequality is very socially corrosive. We also know more about social hierarchies and dominance behavior. We know a lot more about a lot of important things. But it is not applied to society, we're stuck. And that's bad. Updating political models based on new information sounds fairly wise to me.
2019-04-19 13:35
#123
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Brazil Mentecapto 
yes
2019-04-17 17:44
how can people in 2019 believe in socialism and marx stuff
2019-04-17 17:58
#157
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
+1
2019-04-17 18:33
#192
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Turkey Taylannnnn 
how can people in 1919 believe in democracies
2019-04-18 00:11
neither do i
2019-04-18 03:25
#134
NBK- | 
France Azowel 
communism -> utopy capitalism -> no values socialism -> good way but sometimes unfair
2019-04-17 17:59
#383
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n 
>sometimes unfair >Litterarily relies on stealing from other people pick one
2019-04-21 11:30
#142
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Israel OrtegaCS 
Communist best men 😎😎😎😎😎 ))))))))))
2019-04-17 18:13
flag checks out
2019-04-17 18:28
#158
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Israel OrtegaCS 
Wtf lmao
2019-04-17 18:34
+1
2019-04-17 22:15
capitalism
2019-04-17 18:18
#166
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Algeria abdodz45 
Dictatorship
2019-04-17 21:59
#215
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Finland James Nelson 
+1
2019-04-18 08:29
A mix of capitalism and socialism
2019-04-17 22:00
socialism is the evolution of communist , where is the diference? lel
2019-04-17 22:16
other way around but yes
2019-04-18 14:55
oh y , i switch lel my bad
2019-04-18 18:31
I don't even know the definitions but I'm pretty sure the definitions should have changed now that it's been 100 years or whatever. No way it means the same thing it did that long ago.
2019-04-18 06:36
#205
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Germany 1112Leon 
You cant split socialism and communism. Because you can only go to communism if the whole world is socialism. I preffee Marxism Leninism.
2019-04-18 06:45
#216
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Finland James Nelson 
Just hope the greedy fucks could pay their taxes and why not pay little more salary too if they have billions sit in tax haven banks.
2019-04-18 08:30
#217
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Albania PSDunken 
Democracy /close
2019-04-18 08:35
/open democracy is dogshit /close
2019-04-18 14:55
#297
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Albania PSDunken 
/open But it works /close
2019-04-18 15:26
/open only for the majority, the minority get fucked. it also doesn't work /close
2019-04-18 15:27
#368
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Japan Getp0x0st 
So a system where the minority rules and the majority gets fucked is better?
2019-04-21 08:56
no wat how do u even think thats what that reads
2019-04-23 14:47
#426
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Japan Getp0x0st 
So you're proposing a utopian society where no one gets fucked?
2019-04-26 06:48
i would love that but no im just talking democratic socialism, where poor people have more of a fair shot, compared to never ever beening able to move up in capitalism
2019-04-26 14:42
#442
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Japan Getp0x0st 
poor people can move up in capitalism maybe not become rich but become well off
2019-04-29 07:19
Not really, there arent any studies supporting that
2019-04-30 05:31
#444
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Japan Getp0x0st 
theres no studies disproving it either
2019-04-30 05:40
#221
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Vietnam comergod1 
It's fucking hard for me to choose communist or socialist
2019-04-18 09:57
#224
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India otgps 
Communism
2019-04-18 10:01
Clearly a mix of capitalism and socialism
2019-04-18 10:05
#367
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Japan Getp0x0st 
you can't mix the two, they're contradictory.
2019-04-21 08:56
I believe in social capitalism, you should too
2019-04-18 10:36
#246
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Denmark muggge 
Stop lying to us
2019-04-18 11:04
Healthy mix between capitalism and socialism
2019-04-18 11:40
#264
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Czech Republic ZajiiCZ 
"Capitalism: Gods way of determining who is smart and who is poor." - Ron Swanson
2019-04-18 12:08
In this thread: nobody has a clue, but everybody has an opinion. ;).
2019-04-18 12:17
#267
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Israel Baitlander 
National socialism...but not killing people
2019-04-18 12:33
#271
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Romania SteFaN11 
jungleism :s
2019-04-18 12:39
cosmopolitanism
2019-04-18 12:52
its funny how brainwashed kids who never lived in a 'socialist paradise' ,want communist regime. How you all would feel if one day secret police came in your house, seize your products,land,livestock ,producing machinery and the very next day you would not have even 1 single grain of wheat to eat? Furthermore how you all would feel that if you resisted in this action you would end in a mass grave or breaking ice in Gulags for the rest of your life ?
2019-04-18 12:53
sounds like prison is the usa :)
2019-04-18 14:54
#365
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Japan Getp0x0st 
Except the crime you committed is your success.
2019-04-21 08:53
+1, very sad to see how kids from rich countries dream about socialism
2019-04-19 08:39
they're shit lol
2019-04-18 14:55
Capitalism can only drive us to the destruction of our planet, because it's a system where you die if you don't keep making more and more money Communism doesn't recognize merit at all, people who don't feel extremly attached to the country/community can't be happy Socialism could be good I guess ? But I don't think that we'll ever manage to realize it Imo, the best system would be capitalism, but controled by rules established by public institutions, like WTO, but with real power, which will set limits to expansion, and which would set global minimal work conditions (in the entire world) A capitalist system circumscribed by a real sctructure able to control and to punish the companies which don't respect the rules. Such a system would have to be applied by all the countries at the same moment, otherwise the companies will just go to the countries which don't respect it Capitalism has a lot of great parts, and this system would help to limit its defaults, and would set a fair environment for everyone.
2019-04-18 15:16
+1
2019-04-19 06:11
#364
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Japan Getp0x0st 
So the best system is the capitalism that exists in most countries. Nearly all countries have Capitalism moderated in some way or form with laws to prevent monopolies and unfair trade practices
2019-04-21 08:53
No they don't In our current world, companies like Google or Amazon can do whatever they want I'm talking about having an absolute form of authority which would always be nonpartisan and which would be able to punish even the biggest companies if they don't respect some values to limit the negative consequences of globalisation (on the climate for example) But this authority could only be born with the cooperation of all the countries in the world, which is utopist I guess...
2019-04-21 12:19
#399
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Japan Getp0x0st 
That's called Statism.
2019-04-21 15:31
no system is perfect, all systems have an underclass and that is by design, no matter the system you will always be put at where you belong, the poor will always be the poor and the rich will always remain rich.
2019-04-18 18:02
#317
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Venezuela xoile 
All of them combined destroyed my country
2019-04-18 21:46
#326
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China teguP 
Can't vote, sorry
2019-04-19 09:03
Capitalism + Socialism + Spiritualism = Success.
2019-04-19 16:49
#361
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Denmark Xipingu 
Capitalism + socialism. Unfortunately no politician is smart enough (at least in Denmark) to pour a 50/50 of that in a bowl, resulting in disaster after disaster.
2019-04-21 08:45
#363
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Japan Getp0x0st 
Retard detected Socialism and capitalism cannot coexist
2019-04-21 08:52
#372
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Denmark Xipingu 
I guess not if you’re an idiot. It actually co-existed in Denmark up until the government got greedy.
2019-04-21 11:03
#373
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Japan Getp0x0st 
Social Democracy is not Socialism.
2019-04-21 11:17
#394
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Denmark Xipingu 
You don’t even know what I mean yet as you haven’t asked. You assume. What a shame because usually Japanese people are great at listening, but w/e.
2019-04-21 12:57
#401
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Japan Getp0x0st 
2019-04-21 15:33
#403
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Denmark Xipingu 
You still don’t know what I meant. That’s the key thing here.
2019-04-21 17:17
#408
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Japan Getp0x0st 
it doesnt really matter what you mean because denmark isnt and wasnt socialist
2019-04-22 00:57
#409
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Denmark Xipingu 
It does matter though mr. Japan since socialist politics and capitalist politics were being performed in previous years. A country doesn’t have to be socialist to perform socialist politics.
2019-04-22 06:24
#410
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Japan Getp0x0st 
I don't think you know what Socialism is
2019-04-22 07:10
#411
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Denmark Xipingu 
0/8 at this point really, you make 0 sense.
2019-04-22 08:39
#414
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Japan Getp0x0st 
You stated an oxymoron not me
2019-04-22 23:19
#415
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Denmark Xipingu 
0/8
2019-04-23 05:56
#427
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Japan Getp0x0st 
alright retard
2019-04-26 06:48
#435
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Denmark Xipingu 
0/8
2019-04-26 09:58
nationalsocialism bestest )))))))))))))))
2019-04-21 08:46
capitalism is good but 99% of this thread is not rich.
2019-04-21 09:07
is a employed guy who work all mouth just to live and buy superficial things.
2019-04-21 09:10
#371
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Mexico <3 Zetas 
Only CAPITALISM
2019-04-21 09:12
#378
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China FazeIsNoob 
Muslim>all 3
2019-04-21 11:23
Islam is a socialist/communist system with total control on people
2019-04-21 11:44
socialism can work pretty good, if you let it happen. the thing is that USA dont let it happen. they bully every socialist country to death, then they say "you see it doesnt work!" from us perspective, that`s a good strategy. from socialism perspective, the game is #rigged
2019-04-21 12:00
We need communism!.
2019-04-21 15:33
There is no simple answer to this question. Each system has advantages and disadvantages and everyone in their utopian version would be perfect. But... Life is not perfect and we must look for a solution between these systems or create a new one.
2019-04-21 17:59
#406
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
None
2019-04-21 19:44
#417
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Finland JOP3 
Socialism and communism killed over 50 billion people and you still wanna use it. Wake up.
2019-04-23 06:02
isn't it like 12 trillion
2019-04-23 06:02
#428
JW | 
Sweden greveNse 
mOvE tO veNeZUeLa
2019-04-26 06:54
#429
SS | 
Germany Ducarius 
National Socialism
2019-04-26 06:55
#430
JW | 
Sweden greveNse 
+1 cya in 10 tho
2019-04-26 06:57
#431
SS | 
Germany Ducarius 
Why? I just like socialism for my nation x)
2019-04-26 06:58
#432
JW | 
Sweden greveNse 
ayy truu
2019-04-26 06:59
heritage.org/index/ranking MOST CAPITALIST COUNTRIES, ACTUALLY THE BEST ONES TO LIVE.
2019-04-26 06:59
Communism ez
2019-04-26 07:01
I havent read trough all comments but I know best is capitalism with social equality amen
2019-04-26 10:13
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