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fifflaren
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United Kingdom SpoonzS 
how was this guy ever pro?? 55 KILLS IN 5 MAPS hltv.org/stats/matches/26318/virtuspro-v..
2019-04-17 01:59
We had much worse pros.
2019-04-17 02:01
#2
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Canada _CTRL_ 
Csgo isn't all about kills. Some players have different roles which means they aren't getting kills as much
2019-04-17 02:04
#8
n0thing | 
Peru firev_ 
but people dont understand this, they just watch the stats and criticize
2019-04-17 02:26
Yeah, thats right, but Fifflaren was just legit bad
2019-04-17 02:39
#13
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Australia sad_faze_fan 
Makes sense coming from Lazarus fan
2019-04-17 02:45
#14
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Canada _CTRL_ 
lmao hey so far they got 2 rounds against liquid COMEBACK LUL
2019-04-17 02:47
#15
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Australia sad_faze_fan 
Liquid choke inc??
2019-04-17 02:48
#16
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Canada _CTRL_ 
+1 +1 +1 😎😎👍
2019-04-17 02:49
#21
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Other khorkalba 
Correct, but standards have risen quite a bit since NiP's time, which is why a player like Fifflaren looks so awful in hindsight. Gla1ve and Xyp9x aren't required to get 20+ kills because they're not supposed to be the stars and indead bring other qualities to the team, but they're both very capable of doing so. This is one of the main reasons why Astralis are so good and why the other teams are so far behind. The other teams either don't have an IGL / support player who can also frag, or they have an extra star player who doesn't know how to be a great IGL or support.
2019-04-18 14:08
#3
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Back in the day it was teams of friends
2019-04-17 02:09
#22
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Other khorkalba 
The idea behind NiP's first roster in CS:GO was to combine three 1.6 legends with two Source players (Fifflaren and Friberg). If it was just about friendship, then I think they would've just picked a 1.6 lineup with players that GTR and f0rest already knew well. You could argue that they held onto Fifflaren too long because of friendship, but I think it had more to do with them being reluctant to abandon a 5-man lineup with team chemistry that worked so well for them in the past.
2019-04-18 14:13
#4
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Spain Skolt 
In the early years of CS:GO(2012-2015) you could see a lot of players like Fifflaren, they were dedicated support players who had a deep knowledge of the game but gave up fragging in favor of setting up their teammates for the kill; trying to judge him just by his kills isn't fair at all, he was one of the best support players of that time and a key piece of the 87-0 NiP
2019-04-17 02:13
#5
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Sweden deadvein 
+1
2019-04-17 02:15
The key pieces of the 87-0 were GTR and f0rest, easily #1 and #2 players in the world, not a player who was just legit bad and people keep making excuses for him just because its NiP :D Pretty sure 90% of people who say that are the ones bashing Taco for his fragging (btw, switch todays taco, xyp9x, krimz, i dont care, anyone, with fifflaren during that time and NiP would have gone over 100-0)
2019-04-17 02:44
#23
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Other khorkalba 
The problem is that Xyp9x has raised the bar so outrageously high for support players that all of them now seem terrible in comparison.
2019-04-18 14:15
#6
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United Kingdom profit$ 
ez 4 nex' brother
2019-04-17 02:19
Lol at all the people saying he was just a team player, guess those are the same people who bash Taco for his poor fragging. Fifflaren was just legit bad
2019-04-17 02:22
#9
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Germany [99DMG] aasli 
uh i guess? i mean, i was shitty af in csgo back in the days, but just because fifflaren was swedish they picked him instead of me. even tho we both sucked so much cock, you have no idea how fucking bad we was. i think we maybe was one of the worst back then but yeah... gg to him playing almost 1000+- maps and never get kicked even tho he is so fucking bad... right?
2019-04-17 02:29
Firstly, hes played 537 maps overall and 270 on LAN. And why would they kick him early on? They were the best team in the world, they usually had 2 best players in the world on their team for most of the time that lineup existed. And he got kicked after first bad result for NiP. So yes, he was so fucking bad
2019-04-17 02:37
#18
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Germany [99DMG] aasli 
" And he got kicked after first bad result for NiP. So yes, he was so fucking bad" dno if you are acutally retarded or just dumb af
2019-04-17 09:05
ctrlv.cz/Nby0 Firstly, you can see that he was bad. Secondly, it is their first bad result, pretty weird that he retired after that and right before the Dreamhack major. Who would retire when major is just behind the corner, especially when you are one of the favorites and have the opportunity to be the first to go back to back? Its called forced retirement and the "leave" stuff and so on is just a babbling for the community, thats how it works, dumbass. dno if you are actually retarded or just dumb af
2019-04-18 12:53
#20
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Germany [99DMG] aasli 
he was not the guy who usually get the kills and stuff but the way he called and calmed the team mates was his thing. he did not have a good aim to be a pro, but he did not suck balls. and ofc after a while when the matches got tight and stuff ofc he maybe felt like he was the guy that let the team down. but as the topic says "how was this guy ever pro??" thats one dumb question to ask and if you dont understand why he was in nip at that time then i dont wanna argue. he was not a good aimer but a good team mate ez as that
2019-04-18 14:01
Ive never said that he shouldnt had been playing for NiP, talent in CS:GO was garbage back then since it was a new game. I just said he was bad :D I also didnt state that he wasnt a good teammate, all I said that I laugh at the people defending him this way even tho they most likely shittalk guy like Taco :)
2019-04-18 16:14
#17
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United States f0xes` 
Fifflaren was a very good CSS player which is why and how he got onto NiP in the first place. In the earliest days of CSGO he was actually quite good, though playing alongside forest and GTR helped that a lot. All in all, Fifflaren was a true pro. He didn't respond to haters or trolls, he was always positive even when the team began to struggle and his team had his back because of that.
2019-04-17 02:53
fifflaren is the reason why nip won major
2019-04-18 14:19
2019 and people are still trying to excuse Fif being shit
2019-04-18 16:16
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