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Liquid will be next Astralis
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North America northamerican 
remember when tsm couldn't win anything because they'd choke constantly, despite having huge skill and the best system of teams? In the next 2 years liquid will probably change around a couple players and rev up being able to win some better events until suddenly they're going to be the best team. Mark my words. If there's any next Astralis, it's Liquid.
2019-04-17 08:41
If they change Nitro to something like Stan then yes.
2019-04-17 08:44
#2
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Canada _Abyss_ 
nitro is far better than stan. Their roster is fine.
2019-04-17 08:46
#4
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Sweden Bakkmann 
Flair lol XDXD
2019-04-17 08:47
If I said something about Fnatic, and you would make a counter argument, could I then just dismiss it and say "Flair lol XDXD" ? Because if you stand by that, you will never be able to argue for your favorite team and must take whatever someone says about Fnatic or whatever team you'll like in the future
2019-04-19 21:05
Go to Reddit fag
2019-04-19 21:18
Signed up 2018-12-03
2019-04-19 21:19
Signed up 2018-01-07 Yet you still act like a newfag
2019-04-19 21:20
No,u
2019-04-19 21:21
Reddit bud
2019-04-19 21:21
ur mom gey
2019-04-19 21:22
No u
2019-04-20 15:55
ur mom and dad gay together
2019-04-20 15:56
Signed up 2018-01-07
2019-04-20 08:59
You don't seem to understand the point
2019-04-20 10:23
dont need to newfag
2019-04-20 10:48
Who gives a shit? I am more competent than 90% of this forum
2019-04-20 10:49
#102
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Cyprus delur 
lol CLASSIC
2019-04-20 15:44
#78
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Sweden Bakkmann 
That was an obvious joke, ofc liquid doesnt need any changes
2019-04-19 22:27
#46
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Europe xrnavkha 
-1 stupid asf #31 is right
2019-04-19 21:29
what flair even has to do with his argument
2019-04-20 10:53
#92
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Sweden Bakkmann 
Hltv is way to easy to get baited
2019-04-20 12:17
#3
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Sweden Bakkmann 
Nitro > Stan btw
2019-04-17 08:46
Astralis changed their IGL too to win a major. So -Nitro +Who?
2019-04-17 08:47
-Nitro +Karrigan?
2019-04-17 08:59
My wet dream of a move
2019-04-19 22:18
They added Magisk to win a major. They had Gla1ve already and it didn't succeed
2019-04-19 21:06
#43
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Denmark r0zen^_^ 
Erhm..
2019-04-19 21:27
My bad, I was too focused on the Kjaerbye move
2019-04-19 21:29
#85
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Denmark r0zen^_^ 
Np buddy :)
2019-04-20 08:57
#7
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United States fatburger 
I fucking hate stan
2019-04-17 08:50
#14
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Sweden swediztann3 
Stan??? Eminem or no?
2019-04-17 09:09
#22
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Stanislaugh LUL
2019-04-17 09:17
STAN OMEGALUL
2019-04-19 21:38
#76
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Croatia mds818 
imo nitro is fine and na doesn't really have a dedicated top tier awper
2019-04-19 22:20
autimatic is great awper...wardell is next up and comming awper but other than that yea
2019-04-20 12:21
#99
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Croatia mds818 
autimatic is way better on rifle(unless you want another pimp situation) and wardell never had a shot in a top tier team and that's only 1 and inexperienced player...
2019-04-20 15:38
"autimatic is way better on rifle" irrelevant. dev1ce was former rifler, s1mple was former rifler...autimatic showed that he is world class awper even tho that he is former rifler as well and you wouldnt need his rifle skills with naf, twistzz and elige in the team anyway.
2019-04-20 15:42
#103
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Croatia mds818 
it's perfect that you remember all of that perfectly, now let's head back and see what happended with pimp? or slightly even tabsen as well...
2019-04-20 15:45
dude, the difference is that autimatic already showed that he is great awper...so no idea why do you still try to bring irrelevant pimp who never was even top20 player. +i gave you 3 another examples and i can add also zywoo or oskar... and tabsen? overall lan rating in csgo: 1.08. past 6 months as an awper: 1.16 atleast get your facts str8
2019-04-20 15:49
#106
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Croatia mds818 
Dude, "past 6 months".. last year, last two years he had avg rating from 1.25-1.35... There are people who can awp and rifle and that's fine but there's a lot of them who can't do both or reverse... it's fine if some player is comfortable with awp but it's not fine if you have to force someone into awp role(or any other role in fact) which he's not comfortable on even if he is good with that role
2019-04-20 15:54
i agree with everything what you said...but the point is that autimatic actually wants to play with awp so i dont see a problem here at all
2019-04-20 15:56
#110
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Croatia mds818 
If he wants to play with awp that's fine, but if he doesn't want then it's very far from fine... Deadfox for example, he was forced to support rule(even doe everyone said that he didn't want to be primary awp) and he went from a good awper(with ratings 1.1 before he joined hr) to a fairly mediocre player(ratings blow 1) because he played pretty much every round awp support... awp+nades and never having armor or a chance to peek or anything... one example of bad role menagment.
2019-04-20 16:09
sure, role shouldnt be forced like that and i agree with it BUT if player is fine with it, he actually wants to play it and he spend time to master that role(like autimatic, dev1ce or s1mple) then its totaly ok
2019-04-20 16:11
#113
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Croatia mds818 
that's fine I agree with that
2019-04-20 16:12
Maybe not stan, but Peter.
2019-04-20 12:57
Nitro good igl while not winning anything with best lineups you can imagine. ha ha ha ha
2019-04-17 08:50
Niko whooped Liquid with lineup that is equal in skill to Liquid In best of 3. Doesnt look like Nitro is great igl to me. Facts is Nitro is shit. You stupid fanboys cant deny facts.
2019-04-17 08:53
#50
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United States Pyreon 
Let stewie igl kekekekeke fr tho give it a try i actually wanna see that 00
2019-04-19 21:32
#9
Czech Republic Wer_ 
Most NA thread ever
2019-04-17 08:57
Typical EU can't even provide an argument.
2019-04-17 09:08
na 1 major eu 14
2019-04-19 21:05
#52
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United States Pyreon 
Uhm NA 1 major yes, but SA 2 majors and CIS 1 major. only 11 majors.
2019-04-19 21:37
#67
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
10 more majors than na
2019-04-19 22:00
#40
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Slovakia twat 
you didn't provide any argument either
2019-04-19 21:22
Yes I did
2019-04-19 21:26
#72
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Slovakia twat 
"some team was choking few years ago and now is really good so that means Liquid will be that good too"
2019-04-19 22:17
Wow it's almost like predictions are made based on past patterns and evidence.
2019-04-19 22:28
#10
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Kyrgyzstan Peksi 
Once they change their IGL they can do it. With the current lineup they are going to win few tournaments here and there, but nothing consistent.
2019-04-17 08:58
#11
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Other kaiske 
ENCE is the next MIBR
2019-04-17 08:59
#15
autist | 
CIS bjornzz 
Are they going to dominate for 2 years straight?
2019-04-17 09:10
#24
Boom | 
France mbl4 
no they are gonna be rekt 16-0 twice at major
2019-04-17 09:33
mibr - dominate pick one lmao
2019-04-20 12:22
Kick old chokers Elige and Nitro get Tarik/ Stan + Bhreeze/Ethan/Autimatic or even try to get sunny. Somebody IS THE PROBLEM IN LIQUID.
2019-04-17 09:12
You think "someone is the problem" and you want to kick randomly until you figure it out?
2019-04-17 09:13
#25
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Other kaiske 
Somebody is on Tyloo
2019-04-17 09:38
#54
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Brazil matheuszyy 
+1
2019-04-19 21:40
#17
allu | 
Finland ullaECNE 
Mark my words. Chokequid will never be consistent like Astralis or other tactical teams. NA bois nobrainers 4eva.
2019-04-17 09:12
liquid already is consistent
2019-04-17 09:15
#21
allu | 
Finland ullaECNE 
Consistent chokers yes :)
2019-04-17 09:16
Consistently not winning a single tournament, yes
2019-04-17 09:43
No
2019-04-17 18:52
admit it
2019-04-19 21:35
admit what? something that's incorrect?
2019-04-19 21:43
that Liquid didnt win tier1 tournament
2019-04-19 21:43
Ok so first you revise the claim from "liquid didnt win a single tournament" to "liquid didnt win a single t1 tournament" and further you are defending an argument that began with "liquid needs to be consistent" with a completely different point. you are an absolute brainlet. Literally every single comment in this chain was someone making a false claim about liquid, me saying its not true, and then someone responding with a completely different false claim about liquid.
2019-04-19 21:45
#114
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Poland Lukovsky 
you could say that 'liquid didnt win a single tournament' = 'liquid didnt win a single t1 tournament' because who the fuck cares about tier99 tournament wins?
2019-04-20 16:18
TSM actually won some t1 tourneys
2019-04-17 09:15
They won some smaller ones just like liquid
2019-04-19 20:51
atleast 4 were tier 1 hltv.org/events/1612/ccs-kick-off-season.. tier 1 easy hltv.org/events/1606/faceit-league-2015-.. easily tier 1 virtually like winning ecs finals hltv.org/events/1673/fragbite-masters-se.. 3 top 5 teams ez tier 1 hltv.org/events/1616/faceit-league-2015-.. once again just like winning ecs finals hltv.org/events/1886/pgl-season-1-finals definitely their weakest win but it still included fnatic
2019-04-19 21:48
so winning under 100k tournaments with fnatic counts as t1 for tsm, but winning 200k tournament with astralis doesn't count as t1 for liquid, i see, genius analysis
2019-04-19 21:50
0/8 or obvious newfag or just retarded hard to pick
2019-04-19 21:51
Signed up 2018-01-1
2019-04-19 21:51
doesnt mean anything it has never meant anything
2019-04-19 21:51
I see a newfag brainlet astralis fan who responds with 0/8 when his shitty argument gets rekt-please go back to reddit posting astralis stats pages for 200 upvotes
2019-04-19 21:52
i have never even visited reddit before you are literally dumb is you think prize pool is what makes a big tournament also good to know that there like 9 (didnt count just a guess) big tournaments only between 2012 til the end of 2015 god damn wesg is the greatest tournament in existence right?
2019-04-19 21:55
you should try reddit, it might be more up your IQ alley my argument is that when people claim liquid hasnt won a big tournament it's 100 percent based on prize pool, because if it doesn't need to be 250k to be a big tournament ibp clearly is, beating the dominant best team to win.
2019-04-19 21:57
no people dont call it a big event because the circumstances were literally so trash that nobody was playing their best also the last tournament before the major always has a big asterik on it because who the fuck is going to play their best in general big prize pools werent common place before 2016 those were easily tier 1 prize pools back in 2015 which is why i called you a newfag learn history before trying to talk about it please
2019-04-19 22:07
lol as if i dont know prize pools increased, u are the new one who joined the scene to jerk off the best team ibp is considered not a big event to further a narrative. if astralis won it it would be considered in the list of tournament wins you jerk off over, but it's considered unimportant because liquid won the big event distinction is only even created to make a distinction between things that dont exist some delays dont make astralis bad
2019-04-19 22:12
doesnt change the fact that you were completely wrong i was watching cs in 2014/2015 so i remember these things i have proved you wrong you even gave up that it wasnt a big event through prize pool by saying it was a conspiracy theory i am not a plastic fan but even if i was i consider being a fan of a player/team just because they are from the same country as you even more plastic then liking a team because they are good
2019-04-19 22:15
>doesnt change the fact that you were completely wrong i was watching cs in 2014/2015 so i remember these things i have proved you wrong prove me wrong with what? lmao. is this the stage of the online argument where you declare yourself the winner? go. to. reddit. >you even gave up that it wasnt a big event through prize pool by saying it was a conspiracy theory no i didnt give up anything >i am not a plastic fan but even if i was i consider being a fan of a player/team just because they are from the same country as you even more plastic then liking a team because they are good ive literally been a naf fan on every team hes been on since he became known as a player because i like his style. you are just making shit up about me lmao.
2019-04-19 22:29
and i have been a device dupreeh and xyp9x fan ever since katowice in 2014 you are just making shit up about me lol you have made 0 arguments "so winning under 100k tournaments with fnatic counts as t1 for tsm" even though every tournament i listed at least had another top 6 team at it "lol as if i dont know prize pools increased" you also contradict yourself you say that they werent tier 1 because of prize pool even though that was tier 1 prize pool back in the day which you also admitted to know yet you still act like a retard anyway
2019-04-19 22:37
Ibp isn’t considered a relevant tourneament because only two tier1 teams attended and because it was right before the major, fuck off.
2019-04-19 22:23
#23
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Poland Hell2k 
hahahaha lulquid with 10iq players next astralis XDD
2019-04-17 09:24
#29
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Sweden swediztann3 
Liquid is shit just like the other 28 top 30 teams
2019-04-19 21:02
#30
CIS FBLS 
Idc, reported
2019-04-19 21:04
Liquid chokes for the last 10 years why should it change now
2019-04-19 21:07
#44
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United States Trump2020KAG 
liquid is fine rn if a move ever does come about it will be -stew for a real awper
2019-04-19 21:28
#48
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
nah, no stew=no major dood
2019-04-19 21:31
#47
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
Kick Stewie and get autimatic
2019-04-19 21:30
#49
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
why?
2019-04-19 21:31
#80
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
cause autimatic is much better than stewie
2019-04-19 22:28
#83
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
how?
2019-04-19 23:28
is this even a question? in like every single aspect lol...
2019-04-20 12:23
#96
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus 
nt nt
2019-04-20 12:52
#69
Aleksib | 
Finland xore1 
rather kick elige
2019-04-19 22:02
#62
draken | 
Sweden rawrxdd 
no, forever 2nd place
2019-04-19 21:51
#73
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Norway uniiqueCS 
no Faze is
2019-04-19 22:18
#75
GuardiaN | 
Slovakia Scr4T 
Fangay spotted
2019-04-19 22:19
wake up
2019-04-19 23:29
#87
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Europe 3MK 
-nitro +stan -stewie +wardell or -nitro +wardell
2019-04-20 09:05
#97
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Algeria abdodz45 
But they changed the roster back then so if liquid want to win trophies in future they have to make some change
2019-04-20 12:55
maybe
2019-04-20 15:40
0/8 TSM choke era they used to STOMP fnatic in bo3s, when fnatic was better than astralis is now, with olof eating everyone's asses, and winning a t1 tournment here and there liquid is a disgrace dont compare old TSM to this liquid, respect tsm ffs!!!
2019-04-20 15:47
#115
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Belarus c0mmi3 
+1
2019-04-20 16:18
0/8 flair and flag check out
2019-04-20 16:11
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