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Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Cyclone Idai hit Malawi, Mozambique and Zimbabwe - killing more than 1,000 people, with many more still missing and feared dead, leaving hundreds of thousands homeless; Money raised in 1 month: $88 million. #NotreDameFire a church burned down with no deaths whatsoever registered and nothing but a little bit of a cultural disappointment: Money raised in 24 hours: $450 million. Debate.
2019-04-17 15:34
There's no debate. Anarchy won
2019-04-17 15:35
#121
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Turkey mozartfanboy 
I like anarchy.
2019-04-18 19:13
Let people do whatever they want with their money.
2019-04-17 15:36
#8
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Am I not? I'm promoting debate, not telling whether he should or not do whatever he wants.
2019-04-17 15:37
What's there to debate? That people care more about something that happens close to them rather than what happens on another continent? It's just human nature to primarily care about stuff the closer to us they occur.
2019-04-17 15:41
So you are saying that i should care more about a tree that is close to my house being chopped down than for my dying neighbor? Because that is human nature? You are saying material things that are close to you are more valuable than life?
2019-04-17 15:50
Life in itself doesn't have any value tho? Things live just to die so how can there be any objective value in it? What we value is based on us as individuals. And if you take the actual examples you're probably gonna care more about a huge fire in a cathedral of religious significance close to you rather than a cyclone in africa.
2019-04-17 15:53
#117
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Germany AdiZen 
its the fault of the media and how they treat such things
2019-04-18 18:08
of course you're not going to care more about that tree than your dying neighbor, hes more important, your comment has a childish logic French people donated to other charity, around the world, like everyone, but Notre Dame is part of our culture and we love our country, it was also very mediatized (logic...) so of course french people are giving tons money Yes you naturally care more about whats around you, whats in your surrounding than a country that is 47294729km away...
2019-04-17 18:49
#58
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Europe H1rosh1my 
ya but the think is : not just the people of france helps their country , but also giants brands all over the word helps one catedral , when the vatican have a lot of money and dont helps. But when millions of people dont have home because of natural causes you dont hear to talk about vatican , brands and milionairs helping these peoples
2019-04-17 19:43
Probably those brands are giving money to charity and you're not even aware tho, it's just that its very mediatized.
2019-04-18 08:22
#82
RpK | 
France PowwneD 
Many big French companies donate, and they have taxes reduction by that way. Exemple: Total (biggest French company) donated 100 million euros, they will have a big percentage (between 50 and 70% don't remember exactly) of the donation which will be erased of what they should pay by regular taxes. And what they didn't pay, the French people will pay it in the end. That's a reason why there is so many donations, of course they donate because it's one of the greatest symbol of France and need to be rebuilt. Also this incident is nowhere near from any terrorist attack that happen anywhere in the world for the simple reason that there is no death, only old wood and bricks has been destructed.
2019-04-18 10:44
#86
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Brazil UKita 
+1 no one with that much money gives it away for free, there is always something behind
2019-04-18 13:28
#89
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France Astyx 
66%
2019-04-18 13:31
#96
RpK | 
France PowwneD 
Thx
2019-04-18 17:19
They companies/people who donated said they don't want taxes reduction
2019-04-18 19:16
#126
RpK | 
France PowwneD 
There is only one, Bernard Arnaud which is the CEO of LVMH who faced a lot of polemics about it and effectively said that but he is the only one actually
2019-04-18 21:32
#80
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Philippines VK1901 
Nice logic by the way. And stop pretending that when there is someone that is NOT close to you, you will help them.
2019-04-18 10:28
Oh but i do, i always help when i can even though i don't know people or even though they are not from the same country as me i always help if i can. It's a shame that org. like unicef or red cross are just big corporations that care more about theirs profits than people in need, and when you donate through them just a small amount of donation actually comes to people in need.
2019-04-18 13:22
#73
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Netherlands xDtrololo 
Its normal you peasant , if.mekka was burning to the ground (sacred ground) you would see every muslim here send money etc its something they care about. Then its some christian monument and you fking leftist little cunt says we shouldnt care because theres ppl dying because of a storm. No1 cares let their governments fix it. O wait they cant , they need help of.the very people and religion they hate the most. White christians. I despice ur leftist way of thinking thats probably indoctrinated in ur pussy way of.living
2019-04-18 09:13
#118
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Poland Ryunar 
+111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 you are my brother my friend
2019-04-18 18:29
#15
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Sweden meistr0 
+1
2019-04-17 15:42
/close
2019-04-17 18:40
buildings >>>>>>>>>>>>>> humans
2019-04-17 15:36
+1 we dont deserve buildings 😎😎🤙
2019-04-18 21:34
#4
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Idai was considered the worst natural catastrophe to ever hit the south hemisphere in history, by the United Nations.
2019-04-17 15:36
Who cares about humans? They grow up and die too fast
2019-04-17 15:37
#12
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Ok, let's act like a cyclone that killed over a thousand people and went through 3 countries left their infrastructures untouched... Idai literally ruined thousands of km^2 and wrecked the whole city of Beira, in Mozambique. If you don't care about humans, you might care about rebuilding that again.
2019-04-17 15:40
How many people know about Beira and how many about Notre Dame,people are hypocrites
2019-04-17 15:41
what is there to debate? people will spend their money on what they want
2019-04-17 15:36
#10
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Fact, debate on white privilege instead then. Is it nonexistent like some people make out to be?
2019-04-17 15:38
#70
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Sweden frozze90 
Yeah white privilege... We cannot say shit, we are being called racist, nazi's and whatnot nowadays. Even more so when you are a male. Cant talk to women anymore, gets labelled as stalkers, sexual assaulters etc. I know white people has done wrong during our time here on earth. But so has many other people with diffrent skincolors. I am soon 29 years old, why do I have to get punished for what white people has done in the past? I didnt enslave anyone. I havent stocked up thousands and thousands of jews and then to gas em to death or put em in hard-labour camps. I do not hate others with diffrent skintone than me, or those who speak diffrent languages. I actually has friends with such diffrences. You talk about white privilege... I am not sure that is 100% accurate. Of course we get first dibs on work in countrys where the majority is white. But go to asia, for a example, and try to get work as a white person, and see how well it goes. Should I start shouting ASIAN PRIVILAGE !!! ?
2019-04-18 09:07
#74
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Sweden frozze90 
I might also just be a braindead shut'in that doesnt see the bigger picture.... And sorry for spelling
2019-04-18 09:13
#16
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Sweden meistr0 
+1
2019-04-17 15:42
#6
f0rest | 
Serbia dankoBGD 
They raised like 1 billion yeah Retarded people
2019-04-17 15:37
How is it retarded, tell me.
2019-04-17 18:50
There are like million smarter things to spend money for
2019-04-17 21:54
Rather let Notre Dame be destroyed, it's better, indeed.
2019-04-18 08:21
#124
autist | 
Belgium zetss 
so youre saying notre dame>homeless people? or people that cannot afford food
2019-04-18 19:38
No, but its not a reason to not got money to Notre Dame.
2019-04-18 23:27
burn catholic and islam ps who give a fuk afrika
2019-04-17 15:37
poop table, poop toilet
2019-04-17 15:37
#17
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Europe SimonRed 
Africa got ther freedom. they sold ther own people to slave ports to white trading companys before they got colonized. now they have ther freedom back. they still slaughering eachother for the most part. maybe reboot while region Notre Dame is more sad
2019-04-17 15:44
You can't simply state two things and say debate while expecting us to simply put forward our opinions about it. At least give us an opinion to discuss.
2019-04-17 15:49
#23
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Might be right about that, point was to discuss if the money invested in both sides was balanced considering both tragedies. Note, I'm not saying whether it's wrong or not, I just wanna know how hltv approaches these numbers.
2019-04-17 15:57
I know, and I'm not saying you are saying if it's right or not, but it's easier to debate if the sides are clear. You could always play devil's advocate and say something that isn't very popular in order to spark the debate! Have a nice day!
2019-04-17 16:03
#28
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Yeah, I assumed the parallelism between both tragedies and the income gained wasn't known.
2019-04-17 17:54
yh
2019-04-17 15:49
people who care about art and culture will be wealthy people who care about other unfortunate people will be middle class/poor @#19 vicinity is subjective
2019-04-17 15:57
More than ever: Cry is free.
2019-04-17 15:57
#30
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Frenchies' opinions aren't valid for me here, because you can't get an unbiased opinion minding Notre Dame was an iconic thing in your country.
2019-04-17 17:55
The thing is you compare two different things here, I'm sure there is way more money given to charity accross the world than money given to rebuilt those kind of buildings but peoples like crying about everything
2019-04-17 18:34
#32
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Show me the moment I'm crying here. It is just you who think any sort of comment about anything that you don't support is crying. I'm not crying nor complaining as I said on #23.
2019-04-17 18:37
So you think "peoples" is only you?
2019-04-17 18:38
hltv minds aren't that brilliant Dont waste your time, like i said, many people spit on us, hate us for reconstructing parts and cultures of our country instead of giving money to Africa, and these same people spitting on us on the internet are probably not even giving 1 cent to charity. Hypocrites, thats all.
2019-04-17 18:51
#46
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
Don't be that kind of patriotist on hltv. I never said anything harmful at all in this post, you're just a snowflake pretending to be a victim.
2019-04-17 18:58
"don't be..." "you're just a..." kek.
2019-04-17 18:59
#52
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
What's wrong with "don't be..." "you're just a..."? I donated, I'm half Mozambican and I'm not even mad that the numbers for Notre Dame are higher nor I complained about a single cent. I've visited Paris and I had a blast, stop claiming bs as if you knew a whole lot, please. As I said, you're just pretending to be a victim here.
2019-04-17 19:06
Where am i pretending that im a victim?
2019-04-17 19:13
#55
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
" many people spit on us, hate us "
2019-04-17 19:32
Isnt that what people are doing? Look at hltv comments "french are retarded to spend money for their country!!" literally But whatever, its true that we should just let Notre Dame be destroyed, you people are not even thinking about the other factors like tourism for example.
2019-04-18 08:23
#69
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Netherlands SNEIJDERGOD 
It's no secret anymore that frenchies are one of the most retarded european nations ever, actually
2019-04-18 08:55
brilliant counter argument, full of knowledge.
2019-04-18 17:26
#26
hyde | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
people value culture more than people
2019-04-17 16:03
#27
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United States josh2l 
its simply called hegemony
2019-04-17 16:05
>ASIA>europe>africa
2019-04-17 17:55
#112
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Germany istheGOAT 
Name doesnt check out wtf
2019-04-18 18:01
almost all the money donated came from french millionaires. That's what the as proud as a Frenchman. the french are very proud of France and everything in France. the notre dame is one of the most known structures of pairs so i think its quit normal.
2019-04-17 18:40
well, this. People criticizing us for giving so much money for Notre Dame, when they dont realize that it will actually cost more than a billion to reconstruct everything. And these same people are not even even giving money to charity but they keep spitting on us for this, hypocrite world.
2019-04-17 18:44
Gradually the whole building will be going through the rebuilding process and ultimately become a replica of the original cuz lets be honest such old building won't last forever
2019-04-17 18:50
it wont, true, im not an architect so i dont know how they operate with this kind of things
2019-04-17 18:52
#40
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Germany zeolikk 
ez explanation: Cyclone Idai hit Malawi, Mozambique and Zimbabwe -> first world doesn't care Notre Dame fire -> first world cares
2019-04-17 18:51
#43
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United States ARKTYC 
Romania's situation is worse. One mayor instead fixing the city's shit buildings, he started donating lots of money to Notre Dame. I mean fuck it, it's just a stupid monument, no one died fortunately, I know it was history and one of the most iconic monuments in the world but let's be real.
2019-04-17 18:52
"stupid monument" Yeah lets destroy all monuments, they're stupid
2019-04-17 18:58
frenchman would kill himself for notre dame, expected
2019-04-18 17:26
reading is one of your strongest skill i guess.
2019-04-18 17:27
you reply to everyone who says it's better to donate poor ppl instead of notre dame
2019-04-18 17:28
yes, because you guys are saying this shit while not even giving money to africans or whatever, hypocrites.
2019-04-18 23:27
I wish i could donate anyone
2019-04-19 02:10
just very few rich white people even care what happens to black people at all. Also the promo isnt that nice aswell
2019-04-17 18:54
#45
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Portugal kanezz 
Its awful to see people donating money to a fucking piece of wood because it has been destroyed by fire, but they dont donate to PEOPLE who get destroyed,get homeless and die because of huricanes, storms or bc of starving. This is why this world has no future
2019-04-17 18:54
Do you even contribute? Giving money? Going to Africa to help them?
2019-04-17 18:59
#51
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Portugal kanezz 
I actually helped people in africa who were affected by the cyclone!
2019-04-17 19:04
#61
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Belarus Polotsk 
In which way? Proof it or are you just saying bunch of bs?
2019-04-17 22:11
#62
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Portugal kanezz 
a supermarket was selling some 5€ kits with food and basic stuff, and if we buy, that food was sent to mozambique. i bought two ;)
2019-04-17 22:43
#76
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Belarus Polotsk 
Show proof that you actually bought those.
2019-04-18 09:16
#84
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Portugal kanezz 
i dont need to proof nothing dude xd lol
2019-04-18 11:08
#99
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Germany Vini_1337 
ikdseee lol lmao
2019-04-18 17:26
#109
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Belarus Polotsk 
So, you didn't buy those kits and are pretending to be a generous person, who helped those victims after natural catastrophic.
2019-04-18 17:59
#111
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Portugal kanezz 
I dont give a shit to your opinion, and i dont need you guys to believe it or not, it doesnt change nothing. If u want to believe, ok, if u dont go suck some dick!
2019-04-18 18:00
#115
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Belarus Polotsk 
When you make such a claim that you "helped" those victims, why would you even bring it up if you can't prove that you bought those aid kits? I help Yemenis, I send them aid kits and donate money through the UN site, but I don't have to prove it right? Because I don't care if you don't want to believe, I'm a generous person anyway.
2019-04-18 18:06
#49
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
The thing is that the world has a future, but for what the richest and wealthiest care.
2019-04-17 18:59
Instead of crying that we need to prioritize disasters better, be happy that we as a human race put effort into bettering each other's situations?
2019-04-18 17:35
30,000 people visit (Or visited, i guess) the Notre Dame daily, (Around 13,000,000 anually) - That's double the amount that visit the Eiffel tower, for comparison. Most of the money was donated by billionaires (Who get a tax-break for up to 90% due to a new French law, hence why they're doing it) Not really comparable to a natural disaster that occured in one of the poorest areas of the earth, but okay. And the citizens donating are straight up retarded, multiple billionaires, millionaires, companies and even countries have donated, raised or offered support.
2019-04-17 19:22
The western world have been doing so much to help poor countries for centuries (like Live Aid), we are allowed to help ourself aswell without critics.
2019-04-17 19:36
#57
gla1ve | 
Bulgaria dreadbg 
africans should take care of themselves,not rely on the rest of the world to help them, so should we, europeans. difference is, we are doing it, not holding our hands out like beggers "come feed us, come help us, vultures are eating our corpses" and if europeans choose to sent money as aid to notre dame, a disgusting christian church, which`s beauty cannot be denied, then so be it.
2019-04-17 19:38
it's totally not like africa has been pounded by europeans rly hard back in the days
2019-04-18 17:27
what about southern europe, my mestizo friend, the colonisation of Iberia, south Italy and the Balkans from Turko-Arab invaders, or the Mongol-Tatars in eastern Europe? How about the Persians during Ancient times, or the Huns in early Middle Ages? Europe learned the hard way, that in order not to be colonized, one must colonise the world, to subjugate it politically. And it almost did. Were great crimes commited by the imperialist colonisation, yes. Were great crimes commited by non-europeans to europeans, yes. But it was a defensive reaction, and the best defense is to attack. By the way, the Roman Empire did the same, their conquests were attacks to stop incursions of foreign tribes into roman lands, in the begining atleast. Gaul and Carthage were big threats to Rome. Countless historical examples.
2019-04-18 19:36
There's also an extra bonus - african environment doesn't help in anything, more than that, it makes everything almost impossible.
2019-04-18 19:43
#59
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Oceania Rusuli 
You really should define what you mean by "debate" here. The explanations for why are obvious.
2019-04-17 19:47
#63
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Canada NELK 
People are racists /closed
2019-04-17 22:44
0/8
2019-04-18 10:42
Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?
2019-04-18 08:25
If there were big brands and cooperations in Malawi, Mozambique and Zimbabwe and a lot of multi mil/billionaires, they'd probably fix their church as well. But hey, that's the difference and the world we're living in right now
2019-04-18 08:38
#71
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France Uexo 
yeah that's a shame
2019-04-18 09:09
no problem. there is only 1 notre dame, but too many africans?
2019-04-18 09:12
#75
blacK | 
Namibia Toonga 
Yeah, donate to us! Oh wait.
2019-04-18 09:16
#77
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Slovakia gayzera 
700m€ ín 2 days
2019-04-18 09:20
Im a bad person and I have to admit it.. yesterday I went to cinema and spent my money for a movie and popcorn.. and yet after this I stopped in KFC and spent more money for myself... instead of giving for this. Now I feel dirty and disgusting... pls kill me!
2019-04-18 09:29
#79
Finland kuuu 
noone expects u to help anyone anyway with ur 300€/month salary lmao np bro
2019-04-18 10:23
ofc not, socialists always get wet and horny on the money of rich people. Take from those who work for it and give away to the lazy parasites.
2019-04-18 13:29
The stupid media made a bigger deal of some old church burning rather than informing us all about Idai
2019-04-18 10:29
#88
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Brazil UKita 
Sadly the media did not gave the proper attention to the problem that is still doing victims in Africa. But the french mate at #82 is right, no one pays that much money just because they are cool and generous, there is always a reason behind it
2019-04-18 13:31
#90
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Finland FinYuna 
People comes and goes, buildings collaple or burn during time. No need to donate for people, this place is overpopulated already and they ruin this planet anyway.
2019-04-18 13:36
ye stop being brainwashed kid, im literally living in a village were there is 100000000000 acres of land free without anything but the problem is, ppl are brainwashed to live in big cities thats why u think its overpopulated but earth is so big it can never be over populated. old generation die new ones are born circle of life. just big cities seem over populated.
2019-04-18 13:51
#95
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Finland FinYuna 
I think u don't even know what overpopulation means but ok then...
2019-04-18 16:19
#91
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France DirtyPerez 
People earned their money by working. They do whatever they want of their money. If they wanna spend it on the restauration of some piece of history they can. If they wanna help other people they can. So stupid to blame the media for things that is all about individual behavior
2019-04-18 13:46
by now, we should know that the media is used to distract us from real problems.
2019-04-18 13:48
#114
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Canada top_zozzle 
i think the real problem here is that poopy
2019-04-18 18:03
stop crying if i want to donate my 100e to notre dame i do it if you want to be such a world healer go sell your house and give the money to africa
2019-04-18 13:58
#97
GuardiaN | 
Slovakia Scr4T 
Cause it was a "CHRISTIAN" building
2019-04-18 17:21
Religion is the most profitable business on this planet.
2019-04-18 17:24
#100
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United Kingdom Johal 
one got put all over the news, one got put on late night news shows for a minute max.
2019-04-18 17:26
#103
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Germany Vini_1337 
maybe you should go to africa then and help the people stop arguing over other peoples money
2019-04-18 17:27
#106
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France 0racle 
maybe 88 million is enough to repair all malawi
2019-04-18 17:28
#110
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Japan noble_wolf 
they need more money, and they need to rebuild as it originally was, no dumb "modern" spire like they are contemplating...
2019-04-18 18:00
#113
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Canada top_zozzle 
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxcaxaxxa
2019-04-18 18:01
this is inside job from french government to raise money and macron tax evasion
2019-04-18 18:07
#119
RpK | 
France Medeilos 
stones > people
2019-04-18 19:08
You totally right
2019-04-18 19:09
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