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Pronax or Gla1ve?
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Russia YouPlayLikeFakinBich 
Who is the best igl of all time?
2019-04-17 22:00
#1
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Poland boltzzon 
ofc gla1ve
2019-04-17 22:00
#82
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Slovakia secret_player 
gla1ve with chicken wings :D :D
2019-04-23 17:59
#92
hyde | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
+1
2019-04-23 18:08
#107
Happy | 
Poland Millka 
You can't cheat math Pronax 3 majors > glaive 2 majors And already answers for next stupid questions - yes simple is worse than pronax, dosia, devilwalk, fifflaren and smithz
2019-04-23 18:26
Gla1ve 2 majors? Can you count? liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Gla1ve I count 3
2019-04-23 18:26
#111
Happy | 
Poland Millka 
Ya, ya I mean pronax 3 majors 1 runner-up > glaive 3 majors 0 runner-up Beat that
2019-04-23 18:33
3 majors in the most competitive era counter strike has ever known.
2019-04-23 18:39
#114
shox | 
France Malo0o 
"most competitive era counter strike has ever known" lel
2019-04-23 18:41
All analysts and pros agree everything is much more professional, even lower tier teams are playing decent cs now
2019-04-23 19:09
#119
shox | 
France Malo0o 
2017 ?
2019-04-23 19:41
delusional ?
2019-04-23 19:43
#121
shox | 
France Malo0o 
probably
2019-04-23 19:43
if u think that 2017 was more professional than today u are utterly delusional
2019-04-23 19:46
#140
shox | 
France Malo0o 
who talk about professional ?
2019-04-23 20:27
"everything is much more professional, even lower tier teams are playing decent cs now" you answer "2017?"
2019-04-23 20:51
#147
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Canada zizzle21 
hes trolling bro.
2019-04-23 20:58
#148
shox | 
France Malo0o 
if u think that 2017 was more professional than today u are utterly delusional
2019-04-23 20:59
Pretty funny how you said something retarded and played it off as a bait. I almost believed it because that's how fucking retarded what you said was
2019-04-24 08:16
#209
shox | 
France Malo0o 
if u think that 2008 was more professional than today u are utterly delusional
2019-04-25 17:57
#185
2019-04-25 17:59
#211
shox | 
France Malo0o 
Pretty funny how you said something retarded and played it off as a bait. I almost believed it because that's how fucking retarded what you said was
2019-04-25 18:06
glad you agree
2019-04-25 18:06
#216
shox | 
France Malo0o 
#210
2019-04-25 18:21
#200
HUNDEN | 
India HarshK 
in that case, didn't Astralis win their first major in 2017?
2019-04-25 09:26
#204
zonic | 
Denmark Phoey 
And they won 2/3 majors since Then? What are trying to say?
2019-04-25 10:12
#137
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
so deluded
2019-04-23 20:23
LOL the pros agree and the analysts agree. The pros themselves are delusional about how competitive it is then too right?
2019-04-23 23:58
#155
Happy | 
Poland Millka 
Only what can you say but unfortunately it's still 3+1>3+0 and pronax>glaive Cry is free Also cs has currently the worst competition on top scene in history when only astralis is main favourite in any tournament so your point goes against you and again, special for you Cry is free
2019-04-23 22:33
"when only astralis is main favourite in any tournament" This was the case for MiBR back in their era. This was the case for fnatic back in their era. This was the case for NiP back in early CSGO. Your argument does not hold.
2019-04-23 23:59
SK era not found, if you’re referring to 2017 they were favorites, but teams like astralis, faze even VP at the beginning of the year were top teams that could easily close out tourneaments against them, if you’re referring to 2016 you’re above the level of just being delusional. TSM/French teams/VP/NiP fucked fnatic many times during their era, lol. Clearly manipulating facts
2019-04-24 00:08
Teams nowadays are simply better, with astralis on a whole other level.
2019-04-24 00:27
we’re talking about competition. If fnatic was challenged by 5 teams in their era, for example, it was more competitive, as no team can challenge Astralis with consistency. Nice argument, men)))
2019-04-24 01:58
#197
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Denmark [OLD2]Larsen 
"It's just cbble being removed" Astralis masters dust2 "It's just them being good on nuke" Nobody else proves even close to as good on it "It's just the smoke bug" Stomp tournament with no smoke bug "It's the Aug" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz #FanLogic
2019-04-25 09:18
??? Link me when I said this. I agree that crying is a pussy thing, but it happened in all eras, even “SK’s one”. #Faggotlogic
2019-04-25 11:29
#218
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Denmark [OLD2]Larsen 
SK didnt have an era :)
2019-04-26 11:21
#187
Happy | 
Poland Millka 
-1 So delusional Go read #170 and #182 until you will understand something but I guess you're just another fancry
2019-04-24 11:53
#168
Xyp9x | 
Portugal CRMN1 
CS only isn't as competitive in 18/19 because astralis is on another league.
2019-04-24 00:05
MOST COMPETITIVE LMAO
2019-04-26 11:33
Haha :D You are professional men)))))
2019-04-25 18:16
2019-04-23 18:26
+1
2019-04-23 22:23
FalleN
2019-04-17 22:00
nt
2019-04-17 22:01
nice joke
2019-04-23 15:53
#54
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Brazil Collee 
+1
2019-04-23 15:58
LMAO
2019-04-23 16:03
#66
ZywOo | 
Europe vacban 
+1
2019-04-23 16:07
#81
Nero | 
China Aachen 
0/8
2019-04-23 17:59
#101
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Brazil hakkinen10 
nt
2019-04-23 18:17
#138
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
true +1
2019-04-23 20:23
Neo
2019-04-17 22:01
nt
2019-04-17 22:04
#53
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Europe R2D2s 
XDD
2019-04-23 15:58
#207
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Spain LfanT_ 
NEO was a 1.6 beast, nowadays...
2019-04-25 11:55
yes, but he asked: Who is the best igl of all time? not just cs:go
2019-04-25 22:08
#5
walle | 
Germany Fl0RR3 
pronax
2019-04-17 22:01
#6
f0rest | 
Turkey kadirw0w 
gla1ve ofc
2019-04-17 22:01
#7
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Germany AdiZen 
pronax 3 majors while playing so bad
2019-04-17 22:02
#24
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
He didn't have to play good when he had Olof and flusha on his team at their prime. Also he was decent at support.
2019-04-17 22:53
#105
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Germany AdiZen 
their were playing so good because he was leading them to that position
2019-04-23 18:22
#141
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United States Zytoep 
That’s what a good igl does
2019-04-23 20:30
Gla1ve is leading his team to this position while he is playing good as them
2019-04-24 00:21
#8
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United States chikinnn 
gla1ve of course. Pretty good fragger as well
2019-04-17 22:02
I think you have to be more than pretty good if you're in top20
2019-04-23 15:57
#196
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
LUL Happy was the best IGL when it comes to frags.
2019-04-25 09:17
#9
MarKE | 
Mexico Uchii 
Gla1ve best igl in cs:go history
2019-04-17 22:02
One is a great in game leader that respects the game and played in one of the best rosters in the world which had the best era The other is gla1ve
2019-04-17 22:02
#75
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Netherlands EpicLoOw 
I laughed a bit xd
2019-04-23 17:42
i would say pronax, because, even tho he didnt frag like gla1ve, but had done all the work inside the game. On the other side, half of Astralis' success is its coach -- zonic
2019-04-17 22:03
#57
hippien | 
Czech Republic 0012 
and therapist and lots of other people to maintain the guys and their mindset
2019-04-23 16:00
you know, I was thinking it was gla1ve without question, now that you bring that up I think it really is open to discussion. Gla1ves reads and mid round adaptations during a much more developed era cannot be underrated. I really wish we could see pronax in his prime, during this era. Side note, Pronax was during the coaching ban, or no? Could be another factor to add in
2019-04-23 16:03
#83
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China Aachen 
no
2019-04-23 18:00
Niko
2019-04-17 22:37
#26
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Slovakia Kl4d1L 
+1
2019-04-17 22:55
#139
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
straight out retarded
2019-04-23 20:24
shroud he such a great IGL look at all the money he made shroud >>>>>>>>>>>>> all csgo pros put together
2019-04-17 22:39
#40
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Sweden swediztann3 
SHROOD or shrimp? That fortnite player?
2019-04-23 15:48
#62
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Finland zntei 
shrod or shrud?
2019-04-23 16:05
#142
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United States Zytoep 
Shrimp
2019-04-23 20:31
as igl = or pronax mb a bit better as fragger gla1ve much better ofc
2019-04-17 22:41
#21
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Denmark Almoe 
how is pronax a better igl? literally entire 2015 was olof just raping w/o pronax doing anything, go listen to their katowice comms
2019-04-17 22:50
#25
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Sweden Cruxor 
Lmao their comms is literally just pronax constantly giving insane calls. What are you on about?
2019-04-17 22:54
Gla1ve obviously
2019-04-17 22:43
#19
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Europe XXXPAK1 
astralis fangay detected
2019-04-17 22:49
Pronax fangay detected
2019-04-17 23:13
#31
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Europe XXXPAK1 
both shit but pronax smarter
2019-04-17 23:15
Not really, Gla1ve is 10000 IQ and would destroy Botnax 9/10 times.
2019-04-18 00:24
LMFAO Gla1ve isnt 10000IQ HE IS 10000000IQ get it right
2019-04-23 15:54
#89
Xyp9x | 
Denmark Khronov 
Both shit? Lol So who the best igl then?
2019-04-23 18:03
#152
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Europe XXXPAK1 
me
2019-04-23 22:05
#17
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Europe Ru1n 
Ex6TenZ
2019-04-17 22:44
best in 2013 for sure
2019-04-17 22:52
#115
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Poland boltzzon 
was Xizt
2019-04-23 18:45
+1
2019-04-24 00:23
Pronax can do a fucking good team and go with this shit team to major and road to top 10 hltv with 4 random so it's logic to say pronax it's the best IGL in the CSGO history
2019-04-17 22:49
#38
shox | 
France Malo0o 
+1
2019-04-23 15:16
#65
NBK- | 
Denmark L|G2|BTQ 
Hmmmm. Zeus, maybe?
2019-04-23 16:07
Prove it or
2019-04-25 11:31
#20
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India god_Unkn0wn 
zeus
2019-04-17 22:49
OMEGALUL
2019-04-23 15:55
Pronax
2019-04-17 22:52
#64
Toft | 
Denmark bot_thom 
i like your name :D
2019-04-23 16:05
#27
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
Pronax is good with his strats but he's absolutely terrible skill-wise. Glaive's strats are decent, and so is his skill, so I have to say Glaive.
2019-04-17 22:56
Pronax never use smoke bug
2019-04-17 22:56
#84
Nero | 
China Aachen 
WHAT A NOOB AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
2019-04-23 18:00
as igl rather pronax as a player overall gla1ve by far
2019-04-17 22:57
#32
autist | 
Spain Holiwis 
Xizt
2019-04-17 23:18
pronax
2019-04-17 23:20
#34
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Europe thaifinnen 
pronax>gla1ve
2019-04-17 23:20
#35
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Sweden meistr0 
Pronax
2019-04-17 23:21
pronax for strats, gla1ve for frag capability as well as being able to IGL.
2019-04-18 00:29
#39
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Sweden swediztann3 
Pronax got carried by the other 4 in fnatic so ez glaive
2019-04-23 15:46
#130
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United States florida_man 
Devilwalk didnt carry nobody in the first lineup
2019-04-23 19:51
#41
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Norway at0mic_cs 
well, it's me!
2019-04-23 15:49
#42
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Denmark Xipingu 
Gla1ve.
2019-04-23 15:51
gla1ve 100%
2019-04-23 15:51
hunden . without hunden nobody knew about glaive
2019-04-23 15:53
TRUE +1
2019-04-23 16:08
#85
Nero | 
China Aachen 
Actually true
2019-04-23 18:00
+11111
2019-04-23 18:01
#46
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Netherlands puddingkip 
zeus
2019-04-23 15:54
OMEGALUL
2019-04-23 15:56
#188
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Netherlands puddingkip 
I aren't joke, he is held back by bots like flaime but zeus is best igl ever
2019-04-24 18:08
gla1ve
2019-04-23 15:56
#52
shox | 
France Malo0o 
pronax man
2019-04-23 15:57
zonic
2019-04-23 15:59
#56
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United States Raptorial 
pronax
2019-04-23 16:00
#58
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Europe lalt 
Both are unproven. Or pronax has actually proven he isn't that great. Gla1ve has been top level IGL with one lineup. He hasn't been tested at all because to be great IGL, you have to be able to work with different people. So.. Fallen, Zeus and Karrigan are all above gla1ve and pronax in my books.
2019-04-23 16:01
"Karrigan" So let me get this straight, you use "playing with different lineups" as an argument, then you have the only two IGL in your list to have played with the SAME EXACT lineup, so the only two IGLs that you can directly compare, one won a major after a couple of weeks, the other failed at every single major, YET you think Karrigan is better? Amazing Oh and Fallen, so replacing fnx with boltz is considered a completely different lineup, but replacing kjaerbye with magisk isn't? If you want to use that argument then only Zeus could be considered better
2019-04-23 19:16
#157
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Europe lalt 
Keyd Stars?
2019-04-23 22:44
What did he win on csgo with keyd stars? I only remember ibuypower, back when NA teams were really bad But if we are talking about t3 lans then gla1ve won this hltv.org/events/2324/power-lan-2016 against dignitas and astralis Both are not really relevant though
2019-04-23 22:52
#183
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Europe lalt 
gla1ve wasn't IGL in Heroic.
2019-04-24 08:05
#61
hippien | 
Czech Republic 0012 
Id say Pronax Meanwhile Astralis nowadays have therapists, psychologists and a lot of other people to help Glaive, fnatic didnt have these back then. And even more, Pronax won 1st major with fnatic like week after he joined
2019-04-23 16:04
+1 people forget how many people Astralis have behind them. The fact that each of them gets regular supervision by a psychologist and that they have personal trainers says it all.
2019-04-23 18:01
#63
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb 
Pronax. Glaive never qualified for major with a weak team. Pronax did it with godsent
2019-04-23 16:05
#68
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United States FlagMaster 
Godsent the wrong team
2019-04-23 16:09
#128
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United States florida_man 
The old godsent team was godly if only devilwalk came back
2019-04-23 19:50
Copenaghen wolves?
2019-04-23 22:54
gla1ve and its not even close. The current era is obviously more competitive compared to 2015, and much more tactical. And gla1ve can actually kill stuff.
2019-04-23 16:09
Niko
2019-04-23 16:09
#71
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Turkey Arten000 
tugux
2019-04-23 16:10
#72
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Lithuania FakeLithuania 
glaive
2019-04-23 16:11
#73
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
zonic
2019-04-23 17:38
NiKo
2019-04-23 17:40
#76
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United States kami917 
Not a reasonable comparison since gla1ve has the advantages of a proactive org and coach. If you put gla1ve on fnatic back in the day do they see the same success? When gla1ve was originally brought into Astralis wasn’t it as a support fragger? Pronax was certainly a more natural igl.
2019-04-23 17:53
#219
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Denmark Lassy 
gla1ve was a direct replacement to karrigan. You might be talking about Cologne 2016 where he stood in for Kjaerbye because he had played the qualifier with dignitas
2019-04-26 11:28
#77
pronax | 
Russia ShadTH 
GODNAX
2019-04-23 17:56
#78
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Brazil Ze_Pikeno 
Lol gla1ve is nothing next to pronax
2019-04-23 17:58
Pronax has the smile, that smile that makes your day better. If gla1ve smiles to you, you are afraid that he is going to kill you later. Pronax> gla1ve
2019-04-23 17:59
#149
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
I’d say the game is only slightly more competitive now. I’d say peak competition hit in autumn of 2017 but it fell off at the start of 2018.
2019-04-23 20:59
wrong reply?
2019-04-23 22:39
#159
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Yeh
2019-04-23 22:52
FalleN ofc
2019-04-23 17:59
#87
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Uzbekistan MUK 
Pronax.it was crazy era,not boring era
2019-04-23 18:01
pronax definitely strat-wise, but overall i would say gla1ve
2019-04-23 18:04
pronax
2019-04-23 18:05
#93
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United States yuk0n 
Gla1ve changed the entire course of Astralis when he became IGL. Think about it, when they were TSM or copenhagen wolves or even dignitas, they didn't win anything. Karrigan couldn't make these players into good players. Gla1ve came in and pretty soon, they won a major and now they've been #1 for a year? Pronax took some of the best players in early CS:GO and some of them even relevant now and helped them win 3 majors? Sure that's a great accomplishment, but Pronax had a smaller task and did less to transform his team. Still though, they aren't totally comparable because they played in very different eras with very different styles
2019-04-23 18:09
+1 gla1ve has definitely had the bigger task to complete
2019-04-23 18:12
#95
shox | 
France Malo0o 
flag checks out
2019-04-23 18:14
pronax succeeded so much because the scene hadn't evolved. Lets be real, he wouldn't get a feet to the ground if he were to play in todays meta. Same can't be said about gla1ve. And btw if he is as good as people preach, why isn't he playing for fnatic rn? I don't see the problem? Oh wait, he is not good enough
2019-04-23 20:21
and btw i'm consistent all the way so i'm not biased
2019-04-23 20:22
#102
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
The idea that device, dupreeh and xyp9x weren't good players under karrigan is complete bullshit.
2019-04-23 18:18
#103
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United States yuk0n 
Good, yes. But not comparable to flusha and olof. They didn't have what it took to carry them over the edge. He made a difference in their careers and that's undeniable. Only player that could have been on the same level without Gla1ve is Devve
2019-04-23 18:20
#126
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United States florida_man 
Yeah I dont think fnatic was a contender prior to him joining the team a week before the major
2019-04-23 19:49
Obviously gla1ve
2019-04-23 18:15
niko, carry mouse and faze as IGL and still can reck asses
2019-04-23 18:15
gla1ve
2019-04-23 18:16
#99
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Karrigan.
2019-04-23 18:16
#125
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United States florida_man 
Choke choke choke garbage igl
2019-04-23 19:48
#145
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
7 titles with FaZe, 6 titles with TSM. Expected from hater.
2019-04-23 20:57
#151
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United States florida_man 
0 majors won
2019-04-23 21:54
#160
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Fair enough , FaZe should have won Boston but that just slipped away.
2019-04-23 22:53
#189
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United States florida_man 
They should have but they choked cause of Karrigan
2019-04-24 19:54
#190
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Choked because of Karrigan? No, cloud9 played an insane final is why they lost.
2019-04-25 09:06
#191
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Consider the fact SK also lost to them, and they were the favourites going into the event.
2019-04-25 09:07
pronax
2019-04-23 18:16
#104
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Germany istheGOAT 
spidii
2019-04-23 18:21
Nitro all the way
2019-04-23 18:22
Choketro?
2019-04-24 00:10
gla1ve and it's not even close.
2019-04-23 18:25
#113
NiKo | 
Turkey Muff1nzP 
NiKo
2019-04-23 18:40
#118
f0rest | 
Europe facecs 
zeus
2019-04-23 19:18
gla1ve for a couple of reasons: 1. Counter strike is way more competitive now 2. pronax designed a game style way more towards trading and fighting together than actual tactics like gla1ve 3. gla1ve is the better individual player by far 4. gla1ve sucked my dick pretty well last year!
2019-04-23 19:46
1. Nah. Besides Astralis and Liquid, it's a bloody mess and everyone is in a bit of a slump. 2. His gamestyle fit the meta and format at the time. It was the perfect way to counter hyper-aggressive poles, danes and frenchmen. 3. Ofc totally. 4. Hope you had a good time mens
2019-04-23 23:57
#173
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Netherlands gelm1r 
1. NOPE even if its a bloody mess the #20-30 teams are still 10000x better than the best 4 teams during 2013-2015
2019-04-24 00:11
Late 2015 and late 2017 was the peak of competitive Counter Strike.
2019-04-24 00:17
#124
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United States florida_man 
God pronax
2019-04-23 19:47
#127
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Finland M0FF3 
Gla1ve
2019-04-23 19:50
#129
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Kazakhstan iseka 
Pronax
2019-04-23 19:51
#131
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France funKKush182 
Gla1ve is better than Pronax skill wise
2019-04-23 19:51
pronax=god gla1ve=cheat
2019-04-23 19:51
#134
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Brazil arturfelipe 
pronax=god gla1ve=cheat
2019-04-23 20:22
#143
shox | 
India iejesus 
smokestralis +1
2019-04-23 20:32
#136
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Montenegro Kladiz 
pronax
2019-04-23 20:23
#146
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Slovakia TweakZz 
MASTERBRAIN Ex6TENZ
2019-04-23 20:58
Gob
2019-04-23 21:01
GODNAX
2019-04-23 22:23
If I somehow manage to get all bias and patriotism out of my head, then Gla1ve obviously takes it
2019-04-23 23:54
karrigan. :> I'm ready fight me
2019-04-23 23:55
++ pronax had 4 goats gla1ve 1 lineup zeus has s1mple and electronic while karrigan will make another top5 team with w0xic and frozen
2019-04-24 00:30
Honestly, I still respect them heavily. In CS History I don't think there has been anyone who has developed talent quite like karrigan has, Zeus would be the closest candidate on that. No one has the same level of pick and bans Very few have such great usage of their players when calls are being heard Very few can swap from lineup to lineup and consistently create a monstorous team. The only comparable IGL would be Zeus in many aspects. pronax in others, and gla1ve as well tagging along. gla1ve would probably take it if he were the one putting as much work into it, he's not though. He gets a shit-ton of credit for what zonic does for the team, both deserve their praise but if you put gla1ve onto a different team he won't be as good. It can show the flaws in an IGL when they can only work with a specific set of players and no one else.
2019-04-24 01:57
#192
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Brazil hugoooo 
Are you implying that woxic and frozen are bad or something like that? Because they are the two with highest potential on that roster... I don't think ropz will get any better, but that two will.
2019-04-25 09:09
when fnatic was in their dominant phase, a monkey could have been IGL and they would have been just as successful. Olof, JW and flusha in their primes, krimz
2019-04-24 00:03
#194
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
JW in his prime LOL. His prime is the drive-in @McDonalds
2019-04-25 09:14
My name checks out.
2019-04-24 00:06
Gla1ve
2019-04-24 00:09
#174
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Portugal ZaFFe10 
OFC GOD PRONAX
2019-04-24 00:11
Pronax 3 majors = Gla1ve 3 majors . it doesnt make any sense Gla1ve 1 top 20 > Pronax 0 top 20 Solved !!
2019-04-24 00:25
#184
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Finland Autisthicc 
niko
2019-04-24 08:10
PRONAX
2019-04-24 08:24
#193
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
ofc pronax nobody knew the game better than him at his time. He didn't try to be perfect only what matters was good csgo. Gla1ve instead is a weak beta who call saves every time. A pussy IGL
2019-04-25 09:13
Ofc Zeus is the best. There's quite no one as good as him in terms of reading enemies and building a team.
2019-04-25 09:15
well yes but actually no
2019-04-25 09:58
Ofc pronax he has way more major wins
2019-04-25 09:18
#199
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Romania cyber8 
Pronax
2019-04-25 09:24
pronax shit Glaive GOD
2019-04-25 09:57
pronax because 3 majors
2019-04-25 09:58
gla1ve have 3 too ._. 3 for 1.000.000$ not for 250.000$
2019-04-25 18:13
friberg
2019-04-25 11:57
#213
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Europe Jimbo__Kern 
Zeus obs
2019-04-25 18:09
#220
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Sweden WALLEXZ 
ave
2019-04-26 11:32
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