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Sam Harris
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
2019-04-18 06:41
#1
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Finland herculepoirot 
why he do this? i tought he was a reasonable man.
2019-04-18 06:55
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GuardiaN | 
World Darge 
"Islamophobic" I can't believe that's a real word by now.
2019-04-18 06:58
seems like youre not a fan of Progress and Knowledge then :) there should be words for everything thats relevant and islamophobia certainly is
2019-04-18 10:09
A word creation of the Muslim Brotherhood to suppress Islam criticism. Supported by the media of the western world and legitimized by the nomenklatura and its soulless and thoughtless zombies, who also consider it knowledge and progress. At times like these, I think part of the West deserves what Libya had to learn in exactly the same way a few decades ago.
2019-04-18 10:27
#34
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Oceania Rusuli 
+1 We can't accept the dialogue of the communists and those who seek to destroy our societies
2019-04-18 11:02
oookay ^^ youre mentally ill funny how only islamophobes critisize the use of the word islamophobia.. coincidence? :thinking:
2019-04-18 14:36
Only funny for the group described above, who throw around a diagnosis (phobia) in comment columns and talk about progress and knowledge in earnest. And answer a dialogue with another diagnosis (mental illness) and a self-knitted conspiracy theory. So just children who don't know what the hell they're talking about.
2019-04-18 15:01
-youre posing a mass-diagnosis aswell " soulless and thoughtless Zombies" without realizing the irony of your double-standards -youre making false ludacris conspiracy theorist Statements "word creation of the Muslim Brotherhood" without realizing the irony of your double-standards -you think that westerners who disagree with your racist/far Right world views should suffer (physical?) Damage like the People in lybia -> my diagnosis: mentally ill
2019-04-18 15:07
To compare medical diagnosis in a comment column based on 1 - 2 comments and a diagnosis/analysis that has been going on for decades is only comparable for you, who also speaks of double standard here. The word creation of the Muslim Brotherhood is only so controversial that the Muslim Brotherhood was not the first to use it. But in the 70s nobody spoke of "Islamophobia" - I dare to say that nobody with a mind would do this. Since you are either simply a small bitter child, cognitively disadvantaged or both, you did not understand or deliberately misunderstood the sentence with the part of the West and Libya. Whatever "doctor", I am a bit older, reality will not hit me as hard as you :)
2019-04-18 15:21
oh youre older that must mean youre smarter, good one mentally ill grandpa ^^ thanks for acknowledging that your Statement About the muslim brotherhood creating the word islamophobia was wrong you introduced the word diagnosis into this discussion so i stuck with your term, i didnt pose a medical diagnosis anywhere, phobias Arent necessarily illnesses, you made that Connection yourself, and saying that youre mentally ill isnt a diagnosis either, a diagnosis would be naming which mental illness you have… and thinking that "diagnosing" everyone who disagrees with your racist/ far Right worldviews as "soulless and thoughtless Zombie" is based on decades of scientific Analysis just Shows your mental illness again ^^ also go ahead and explain your comment About lybia then ;) im not deliberately misunderstanding anything, you made a vague provocative Statement and i told you how it Looks like to someone thats not a Racist mentally ill grandpa
2019-04-18 15:27
Do you have any evidence for the claim you are making (about the Muslim Brotherhood coining the term "islamophobic"), or are you just spewing propaganda? Listen, I also believe that Islam is the most problematic religion in the world atm & that a shitload of negativity in the world is linked to it, but this is not a matter that's solved by adding more hate and segregation to it. We need to realize that their culture is very different from ours, and that assimilating them into our first world countries is gonna take a couple of generations (something I'm totally for btw, since I want there to be less borders and less differences between nations/cultures in the future, so that our progress as a species can be further developed). I guess what I'm trying to say is that culture clashes never happen smoothly, and that we all need to realize that the problem doesn't stem from all muslims being bad people - rather that their overall world view is very different from ours. That's something that ONLY cultural assimilation can fix, so that everyone can learn from each other. Think about this; if we all would just keep to "our own" people (meaning that we deport muslims, jews, etc from western countries, like a lot of nationalists wants to do today), how the fuck would that contribute to any kind of long-term progress on a global scale? Everyone would just keep on doing the shit they've always done, instead of taking in ideas from other cultures, meaning that Islam would NEVER change. Ending note - can we all please try to look at the bigger picture and think of what's best for humanity as a whole in the long term. We will all need to be able to work together to overcome life threatening issues like global warming, overpopulation and poverty. Bickering like idiots over who has the better culture will lead us nowhere, and if we keep on doing that these issues will sneak up on us and probably kill us while we're arguing like little kids.
2019-04-18 15:41
Just google or duckduckgo "Islamophobia muslim brotherhood" or "islamophobia iran". There you have tons of sources. You really believe that Islam and its followers can be assimilated or want to be assimilated at all? How many Islamic countries are there at present? 58? What makes you believe that things will be different in Europe? Because Europeans are better, smarter or humans of higher quality? Where does this arrogance come from? Cultures are not equal or equivalent. If that were the case, then cannibalism would only be a matter of taste. What can a cannibal from Western New Guinea and a Buddhist from Singapore "learn" from each other, especially if they are forced to live door-to-door? Where is the added value here and why can only one of them say that he has no desire for the other? Who wants to deport all foreigners except a few hardcore nationalists and racists? That is not the position of anyone, is it? And hardly anybody talks about a problem with foreigners, there is always only talk of a very specific group. Personally, I reject borders and nation states, but I would never think of forcing anyone to be happy. Especially not multiculturalism, which has never worked in the history of mankind, because the more dominant culture always prevails. Your bigger picture is actual propaganda. Overpopulation, if all mankind could live in the second largest state of the USA? Global warming, if it was significantly warmer most of the time in the more than 5 billion years of Earth's history than it is today? Although the earth already had 50 times more CO2 in the atmosphere than today, it was both colder and significantly warmer than today - over a period of millions of years. As far as poverty is concerned, humanity is making enormous progress. The only setbacks occur only if one tries again human experiments (socialism, communism etc.). And yes, I am such an "idiot" who likes to live in the best possible culture. I don't want to learn anything from cultures in which people literally eat each other up, humiliate and beat their wives and children, torture minorities, declare whole ethnic groups inferior and certainly don't want to live with them. I want to live in peace and I wish that for as many people as possible, but I would never make the mistake of believing that people could be "reprogrammed" or made into something they are not.
2019-04-18 16:43
lmfao of Course the nazi grandpa also believes that manmade Climate Change is a lie youre such a cliche
2019-04-18 18:28
There is no such thing as "Islamophobia". Being critical of Islam is completely rational. It's weird how ignorant people are to this. Christians and Jews get criticised all the time, but it's almost a crime to criticise Islam.
2019-04-18 16:32
just because theres such a Thing as a critical stance towards Islam or Religion in General, doesnt mean theres not also such a Thing as a phobia towards them, or hostility towards them if you believe theres no such Thing as islamophobia i dont think you understand what a phobia even is… if you critisize sharia law and islamistic extremists youre critical towards arch-conservative and/or reactonary Islam (just like People are critical towards archconservative christians or strictly orthodox jews) if you dont want muslims to immigrate in your Country because you collectively view them as criminals, rapists or lazy Folks youre an islamophobe and a racist
2019-04-18 18:22
#66
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World Dingospo 
You must think the same thing about words that used to describe your "supreme leader" a couple of decades ago. Islamophobia is one of the biggest phobias out there, HLTV is proof of that, and so is your comment
2019-04-18 15:27
+1 to this triple Digit iq gentleman
2019-04-18 15:51
yes and islam & most religions hamper progressiveness.
2019-04-18 10:31
Islam is Progress and Knowledge? XD
2019-04-18 11:03
? double Digit iq confirmed 2 easy sentences and you still managed to completely misinterpret what i said
2019-04-18 14:42
right... :) backpedaling after realizing that you've said something stupid
2019-04-18 15:36
lmfao i was hoping you would just read what i said again and realize you said something insanely braindead, but i guess you insist, so i will dissect my TWO easy sentences for your double Digit iq: "seems like youre not a fan of Progress and Knowledge then (because he doesnt like the existence of a scientificly used word) :) there should be words for everything thats relevant and islamophobia certainly is" Progress/Knowledge -> creating words for everything ( condition for Knowledge, which is condition for Progress ) whereever you read that Islam is Progress and Knowledge i dont know but voila uscared to 1v1 me in chess
2019-04-18 15:46
#29
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Other xrist 
Why wouldn't it be a thing
2019-04-18 10:43
Who?
2019-04-18 06:59
What about it? I dont know him all that well but im pretty sure i can take a soundbyte from anyone in the planet talking and turn it into something it's not with a bit of editing. That clip stopped before he explained his thought, what relevance does it have?
2019-04-18 07:01
He did not say that at all. Sam Haris is very reasonable and not even very right winged, more like pragmatic
2019-04-18 07:02
? he did say it tho? in the audioclip linked?
2019-04-18 10:09
Right but not in the sense that we should all think like that or start deporting muslims. It gets cut off before he made his point, good example of quote-mining. Sam Harris is a realist, he understands the problem of islam and mass immigration but also how mass hysteria can lead to blind hatred.
2019-04-18 10:29
#20 this is b8 topic +1 tho
2019-04-18 11:17
ah another islamophobic Person that doesnt like the use of the word islamophobia quelle surprise
2019-04-18 14:38
he understands the Problem of Islam? what is it then? that muslims rape and kill the innocent westerners? alrighty then :D i guess critizising hateful and willingly provocative choice of words is Quote-mining now… Nothing he said was wrongly cited, neither was it out of context.. he just has a history of bigoted disrespectful language towards muslims and this is no exception
2019-04-18 14:35
they actually commit way less violence then native groups, its just not liking brown people
2019-04-18 15:45
indeed the only crimes that have gone up in europe in the last couple years were racist/nazi crimes, the rest was Steady or went down yet the right wing still thinks their Propaganda can convince anyone besides the doubledigit iqs that get their education from YouTube and Facebook videos
2019-04-18 15:48
well its working tbh, you'd be surprised how much people around 15-21 are still on the anti progressive breath or anti SJW
2019-04-18 15:50
#28
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Norway PeteZz 
Sam H isn’t right-wing at all though, or more centre left on most issues.
2019-04-18 10:38
no hes not lmao, hes fucking insane
2019-04-18 15:51
People on the left are waking up 😮. I wonder which comment really annoyed them. The part about the immigrants, or the comment on how deranged his fellow leftists are. Here's what the irredeemable mind of your average leftist looks like: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528236/Mal..
2019-04-18 07:02
What's annopying is that the quote is misinterpreted and taken out of context.
2019-04-18 07:03
#8
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
And this is why you look stupid to me. Not once in that article did he defend or justify what had happened, he simply talked about the fact the guy would be deported. And the most important part you skimmed over: "He adds: I see him mostly like a product of an unfair world, a product of an upbringing marked by war and despair." That is the one defining difference between the left and right. Instead of blaming the race/religion, we look at cultural and societal aspects that cause someone to be the way they are.
2019-04-18 07:22
How is religion not culture?
2019-04-18 07:35
Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are both Muslim by a vast majority, but they are two very different countries. Religion can affect some parts of culture but won’t affect all and so social aspects will be different.
2019-04-18 07:38
#11
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
+1
2019-04-18 07:47
Okay so your answer to how religion is not culture is that there are other things that also make up culture?
2019-04-18 08:16
Yes. You would be a very different person if you had grown up in a warzone as opposed to where you really grew up.
2019-04-18 10:01
Okay..? The same way I would be different if I grew up in an islamic "zone". You seem confused. I never said religion is the only part of culture, I'm simply saying that it is part of culture
2019-04-18 10:07
#31
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
Yes, in certain countries religion and culture and so heavily intertwined that they are almost the same thing. The point TOP1 and I are making is that there are major differences between the countries. When people say immigrants, they are usally only talking about South Americans or Middle Easterns. When people say Muslims, they are usually only talking about certain countries in the Middle East. How many times have you heard about a Muslim rape in Sweden/Germany etc. and the perpetrators have been from Syria? VS How many times have you heard about a Muslim rape in Sweden/Germany etc. and the perpetrators have been from Pakistan?
2019-04-18 10:56
Culture is behaviour, norms and beliefs that distinguish one group of people from another. Religion is all of that. Religion is not almost the same thing as culture. Define culture in a way that doesn't include religion
2019-04-18 11:29
#45
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
I think I've figured out your issue here: "Culture is behaviour, norms and beliefs that distinguish one group of people from another. Religion is all of that. " You got that backwards.
2019-04-18 11:39
I left it to you to define culture in a way that doesn't include religion, but you were unable to do so. Here's your issue. You claim that you don't judge anyone based on "race/religion" (as if they are somehow related (they aren't)). Then you claim that you judge based on culture and societal impact or whatever bullshit buzzword you made up. You're basically saying that religion =/= culture and religion = race. And yet here you are, claiming that I have it backwards like the airhead npc that you are. I hope you're trolling because your comments are beyond retarded at this point
2019-04-18 11:46
#52
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
*sigh* A "/" means "or". Basic grammar. Not my fault you thought I was saying "religion=race". If you want me to define culture then fine. It's an ever evolving collective of peoples, ideas and traditions of a nation.
2019-04-18 13:02
Okay so religion is culture then. So why do you claim moral high ground for judging people based on culture and not religion? When religion is culture
2019-04-18 19:14
#40
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Oceania Rusuli 
-1 Indonesia is more secular atm because the Muslims there do not feel under threat, and have useful minorities to keep peaceful - like the ottomans for much of their history. When Indonesia swings back to Islamic parties, you will see the same.
2019-04-18 11:11
See: I told everyone that leftists were all alike. Proof. I only speak the TRUTH.
2019-04-18 08:18
By citing such irrelevant information you are justifying and mitigating his actions. Even as you claim not to be doing that exact thing. Leftist doublethink at work. You and that other leftist politician are the same. Also that was not even the point I was trying to make. The fact that he felt guilty for deporting a rapist was appalling enough. As if society was somehow obliged to tolerate all the criminal trash of the world. These are the people who have DESTROYED Western civilisation. Whether Sam Harris said what he said or not he was right. Leftists are willing to endure a rape in order to import more foreign rapists.
2019-04-18 09:24
#16
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
I...don't even know how you came to that conclusion... Seriously, I wanna know how. Let's start again. What is the initial point you are trying to make?
2019-04-18 09:30
Well if you are for not deporting rapists and you are encouraging people who are more likely to rape to arrive into your own country. Then the only nuance is whether you are consciously aware of your tolerance to accepting an increase risk of rape. My point? Leftism is a mental illness.
2019-04-18 09:39
#22
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
1. I'm *for* deporting *any* migrant that commits a *serious* crime. However, what I am not for is sending somone to their death, regardless of crimes commited. 2. Getting into the details of 'who is more likely to do what' aside, I've seen enough of your posts to know that you love making the "Muslims = rape" argument. Try learning about societal differences in countries. 3. Yes, we are aware of the increased risk, but guess what? *NOT EVERYONE IS A MONSTER*. Refer back to point 2.
2019-04-18 10:20
You can see Plath frothing at the mouth from here mate, no point arguing with someone whose entire argument seems to be “Muslim bad white people good”
2019-04-18 10:27
I never say that, nor do I think that. The only people I have ever said are good is East Asians (because I only speak the truth). Nt tho.
2019-04-18 11:15
More excuses for rapists, once again: "Learn about societal differences" Wooooooow.
2019-04-18 10:56
#33
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
.......? You're an idiot....
2019-04-18 11:00
#39
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Oceania Rusuli 
-1 Far right here, I won't accept your leftist assumption that you have the moral high ground. Immigration is the primary cause of suffering in the modern world, as it drives brain drain and population growth in the third world, causing a never-ending stream of disadvantaged people lowering the living standards of the world as they migrate, not to mention keeping Africa poor. Like you, I also analyse why an individual or a group show certain characteristics. The rightist position is to use this information to stop those causes from occuring. The leftist position is to get sad for the victims of circumstance and offer them our possessions. Stop immigration, especially of muslims who will subvert the very culture that wishes to help them.
2019-04-18 11:09
#41
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
I'm gonna let you sit on that for a while until you figure out what's wrong with your perspective. I'll give you a hint in the right direction: war, poverty and climate change.
2019-04-18 11:14
#43
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Oceania Rusuli 
You can't respond directly, expected from leftist. If you want to re-frame the conversation about war and poverty, explain the direction you are going in. I am saying that immigration causes poverty. War? War is far more deadly when it's a civil war (provable historically), which is always the case when you import foreign populations. I am not for war. Climate change is off-topic for the thread, but I will say it again: Holding countries in low-education and high-population growth as exporters of people WILL increase world population, and a natural effect is greater pollution. Got any arguments or just more bait and offhand rejections?
2019-04-18 11:21
Cant even say that I'am rigth-winged But I agree that muslims(and most of the immigrants from Middle-East and Africa) bite the hand that tries to help them
2019-04-18 11:43
#49
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Oceania Rusuli 
Most times it's not even the intent of the immigrants to bite the hand. It's sensible for them to seek a better life, so if they can migrate and get that in western welfare-states, then they should. It's just force of numbers, sadly.
2019-04-18 11:51
I am ok with immigration when they work a lot and dont enforce their culture on others. If they dont work/commit crimes then they should be immediately deported. Just because of this immigration nightmare we are witnessing the rise of right wing nationalists and that can turn out to be a fucking enormous problem
2019-04-18 12:00
#51
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Oceania Rusuli 
In modern world there needs to be immigration. My argument as one of these right wing nationalists you are scared of, is that immigration must be kept below 1 in 50000 citizens. Otherwise, the cultural problem you reference starts to happen. Currently many western countries are running 1% to 3% increases in population from immigration each year. This shows that immigrants will be majority in many of these countries within the next 5 decades. About immigrants working: Yes, it is good to allow the physicists and such, the top 0.0001% of geniuses who can really help to establish the local economy. Any low-skilled immigrants coming in, however, are only reducing standard of living for the citizens already here. Unemployment rises, wages lower. These are effects of importing low-skilled labour. As mechanistaion rises, and education rises, even importing average university graduates is very bad, as those will have become the low skilled everyman. Immigration holds down the exporters of people, and crushes the importers. The only winners are big business, who get limitless cheap labour.
2019-04-18 12:09
I am scared of nationalists just because the only thing they brought historically in Europe are wars. And right now I am starting to witness the beginning of the same old route - immigration, hatred, right-wing nationalism, wars. I sincerely hope that wont happen again. > is that immigration must be kept below 1 in 50000 citizens. 1 in 50000 is too harsh. There can not be a stable ratio, we should allow people to move but on the receiving countries' rules. If they wont be able to adjust - they are welcome to leave(be deported). > This shows that immigrants will be majority in many of these countries within the next 5 decades. Well, this is a natural process(Roman Empire example here). Anyways, I got your idea, we are just not on the same page here :)
2019-04-18 15:00
#63
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Oceania Rusuli 
Agree to disagree on first section, but this >Well, this is a natural process(Roman Empire example here). The Roman Empire imported barbarians to fight for it. Once the system had been weakened, and enough power transferred to the barbarians, the barbarians took control of the armies and destroyed civilisation in Europe for the next 1000 years. Rome's fall is the ultimate example of a past we shouldn't repeat. Russia took this example in its conquest of Siberia: When trying to make a region peaceful, you move in your ethnic population and ignore/exterminate the locals. This is, of course, not a very nice thing to do. But the principle holds: You don't mix wildly differing cultures and peoples, or you will reach a tipping point.
2019-04-18 15:09
+ 1 LUL White people and destroying their amazing civilisation . Name a more iconic duo.
2019-04-18 10:33
#12
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Sweden shakti 
The is nothing factually wrong with his statement. What is the problem?
2019-04-18 07:49
+1
2019-04-18 11:07
Imagine thinking sam harris is reasonable
2019-04-18 10:45
The young turks hahahahahaha
2019-04-18 11:08
Btw to all people saying Sam Harris is conservative. He was pro Shillary lmao. The left eats itself.
2019-04-18 11:45
He sounds very reasonable to me. Change my mind.
2019-04-18 14:41
Way to take what he said out of context. Expected by dishonest leftist!
2019-04-18 15:05
hes actually fucking insane...and did you learn about this clip from vaush?
2019-04-18 15:06
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