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Pro-Trump Militia Kidnaps Migrants
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
2019-04-19 17:32
0/8
2019-04-19 17:32
#258
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United States Cherryyy 
Must’ve not done their Duolingo
2019-04-22 15:46
imagine if black people got rifles and started stopping white people and calling it a citizen's arrests. the orangutang and his drones would blow a fuse from the outrage.
2019-04-23 14:37
#3
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Ukraine vladiik69 
Guardian is lobster, tom
2019-04-19 17:33
lul kkkk
2019-04-20 10:04
#4
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Denmark BRCSLUL 
trumptards will defend this
2019-04-19 17:33
#14
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Austria raicoon1337 
what do you mean? Border patrol jailing illegals = kidnapping?
2019-04-19 18:57
#21
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
They're not BP though
2019-04-20 05:55
#36
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Helping the country by defending its borders. I don't see anything wrong with that.
2019-04-20 06:23
#38
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Austria raicoon1337 
+1
2019-04-20 06:24
Ah, I get it now. You only care about legality when it fits your narrative.
2019-04-20 10:09
#267
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Norway bruhfessor 
Dudette, these volunteers detain about 2000 illegals every night, and let border patrol handle it. There is no ”kidnapping” involved. This is totally legal too and has happened long before trump came to office You are just doing one of your ”leftist retweet rages”
2019-04-22 18:02
"No authority': New Mexico governor tells militia to stop arresting migrants at border "It should go without saying that regular citizens have no authority to arrest or detain anyone," New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham"
2019-04-20 10:42
#268
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Norway bruhfessor 
Well he is wrong, he should study law. There is a thing called citizen arrest
2019-04-22 18:00
+1
2019-04-20 10:43
#39
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Austria raicoon1337 
"and coordinated with US border patrol agents to have them arrested"
2019-04-20 06:25
#122
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Austria raicoon1337 
nt fake news nbcnews requiers me to disable adblock - no btw i quoted from your original article. you played yourself. please leave hltv.
2019-04-20 10:21
Fine, I'll give you the headline then: No authority': New Mexico governor tells militia to stop arresting migrants at border "It should go without saying that regular citizens have no authority to arrest or detain anyone," New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham
2019-04-20 10:27
#125
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Austria raicoon1337 
You really believe that citizens should not detain illegals???? Holy shit
2019-04-20 10:35
If you want a country where everyone can do what the fuck they want without having to follow some form of protocol, having some form of authorization or having to follow the law, I invite you to fuck off and go to somalia. THANKS.
2019-04-20 10:42
#142
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Austria raicoon1337 
No ofc not. That's not what i said. Are you just gonna stand there waiting for bp/army to arrive when hundreds/thousands of people are invading your country?
2019-04-20 11:31
If thats what the law says, yes. Or are you ok with people doing illegal shit when you like it? I thought the whole purpose of this was to stop illegal stuff from happening?
2019-04-20 12:24
#156
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Austria raicoon1337 
xD thats fucked up. If you see someone murder someone and then going/running away what would you do: 1) call cops tell him how the guy looked like and go home. 2) call cops and try to follow the guy to his place and maybe even detain him if he is still a danger to the other people on the streets.
2019-04-20 12:30
They apparently almost certainly didnt just do that otherwise we wouldnt have this statement put out: "No authority': New Mexico governor tells militia to stop arresting migrants at border "It should go without saying that regular citizens have no authority to arrest or detain anyone," New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham"
2019-04-20 12:35
#158
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Austria raicoon1337 
answer my question?
2019-04-20 12:36
#172
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France ripmypickems 
If you do the 2nd you're a fucking dumbass, even cops would tell you to get the fuck out of here omg how can you be so dumb ????? Are you 12? It's okay for you to have people detain other people just like that ? Braindead kid
2019-04-20 13:37
I would do 2. Thats pretty obvious, but this is NOT THE SAME SITUATION. Its not a murder, its not a breaking and entering, its an orange, not an apple.
2019-04-20 14:24
#177
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Austria raicoon1337 
doesnt matter. you can detain a criminal/illegal. if that is actually the law in the us that you can't than thats fucekd up and they need to change it. here in austria you can detain a criminal.
2019-04-20 14:26
"doesnt matter" = "Im right, youre wrong" genius +999
2019-04-20 15:37
and that why no one gives a flying fuck about Austria
2019-04-22 11:50
#231
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
Pls dont bring your own pathetic morals in front of the Law.
2019-04-22 11:13
#251
coldzera | 
Germany Laun 
you guys do know that these are illegal immigrants since youre so worried about breaking laws. illegal immigrants also break laws, what do you say about that? breaking this law is okay then?
2019-04-22 15:35
They're being good citizens. That's like objecting to breaking into an apartment that is on fire in order to put it out. The choice of words in the article and by the OP (by promoting the article) is horrific, imprecise, and biased.
2019-04-20 12:40
Apartment is on fire is not the same, there is immediate danger at hand. Both to property and people in there. Its nowhere near comparable to some mexicans walking across land somewhere in the desert. And newsflash - if you break the law, you are not a good citizen.
2019-04-20 15:36
The law is created by humans to best codify desired behaviour within a society. It's not black and white, nor does it perfectly address every situation, as my example should have made clear. In both instances, the law is allegedly broken, yet one you consider a good deed, while the other you don't.
2019-04-20 16:06
Yes, I consider one a good deed and the other one not because of the qualitative situational differences as described in #180, mahd00d. And as I understand it, the law is not unclear on this: "No authority': New Mexico governor tells militia to stop arresting migrants at border "It should go without saying that regular citizens have no authority to arrest or detain anyone," New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham"
2019-04-20 18:05
have you ever heard of citizen's arrest, smartass? it might be the case that illegal crossing of the border doesn't amount to a "breach of peace" according to the law or is considered a misdemeanor instead of a felony in which case a citizen's arrest might not be justified. if anything, it's a testimony to the law being outdated and requiring redaction because for a country struggling to maintain border security, rejecting a free crowdsourcing opportunity would be stupid.
2019-04-22 11:32
Uhh, yes, citizens arrest is pretty much the whole debate topic. You using IE?
2019-04-22 11:33
i don't know, you keep using a quote which states: "it should go without saying that regular citizens have no authority to arrest or detain anyone" which is a blatant lie because citizen's arrest allows just that. so either you are aware of that fact and keep repeating that lie knowingly, to further your ideological nonsense, or you are too stupid to realize the contradiction. my previous post acknowledged that illegal border crossing might not be considered an offense warranting citzen's arrest, however that doesn't change the misleading nature of the quote you keep pushing. if under no circumstances a citizen had a right to arrest or detain people the quote would have been great, however since there are plenty of cases where this is not true it chances the nature of the argument. it's evident the person who argued with you pointed out that even if illegals aren't currently susceptible to citizen's arrest, they should be, but given the low iq of yours and OP's you keep quoting the same pointless quote instead of addressing the argument. what you should have done instead is providing an argument for citizen's arrest to be immoral when applied to illegals. frankly i struggle to think of any convincing argument as an example. i can provide a few shitty arguments such as "illegal border crossing is a petty crime" or "citizens don't have the necessary tools to distinguish between legals and illegals" or "making this thing a common practice risks the illegals being abused by american citizens similarly to how they are being abused by coyotes". the last one is probably the most convincing but not convincing enough as far as im concerned. perhaps you can provide a more compelling argument instead of pasting the same pointless quote over and over. i doubt you can though, seeing the kind of logic you apply in posts such as #130 and #151 i bet you'd be burning books and gassing gypsies in ww2 just because the law compels you to.
2019-04-22 12:07
Im guessing that the quote was said meaning that "citizens dont have the right to interfere with whats the business of not only customs and border protection but also ICE" and maybe even a few more institutions. Also, what is the inherent harm in crossing the border? There is definitive harm in gassing gypsies, but you have to extrapolate some abstract stuff to come up with harm that is inherent from illegally crossing the border for asylum-like reasons. #130 was formulated because of the outrageous weaponized way that these John-Wayne-wannabes did their thing. #151 was formulated as a response to the term "invading" as if we are talking about the invasion of poland or the fucking crusades. Those are families including women and children and the demonization is over the top imo.
2019-04-22 15:06
now you are talking! all you had to do is type it plain and clear: "i don't consider illegally crossing the border to be a crime and therefore it shouldn't be illegal at all". that's all you had to say. i mean, this would immediately single you out as a far left extremist but people had obviously realized that already. no, you'd rather be sly and argue in bad faith than say what you ACTUALLY think. your way of answering my question doesn't provide any arguments for the immorality of applying citizen's arrest to border crossing, my guess is that you don't really have an issue with that. instead, you are trying to suggest that the act of crossing the border illegally by itself is harmless. by doing so you completely threw out any credibility you had in making hollow arguments such as #130, #151 and repeatedly using that governor's quote. if you want to keep pretending the issue you are having is with the citizens and not the law per se, why didn't ICE issue a statement instead? the governor's statement is obviously politically motivated. if however, you'd rather focus on the issue you are actually interested in which is a borderless world i suggest you create a suitable topic so that you could be ridiculed and embarrassed in a more centralized manner.
2019-04-22 15:20
#255
coldzera | 
Germany Laun 
this is hltv. what the fuck is this lawyer stlye argument you guys are having here?
2019-04-22 15:40
#278
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Sweden Zaser5 
+1
2019-04-24 13:24
#86
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Europe tweekzter 
To say it in democrats words: "Someone did something at the border."
2019-04-20 08:59
#88
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Austria raicoon1337 
xaxaxaxaxa )))
2019-04-20 09:03
#5
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Norway k3ron 
Militia was a great map...
2019-04-19 17:33
+1
2019-04-20 06:59
#6
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Austria raicoon1337 
so arresting illegal migrants is kidnapping now? damn bro you reached a new low
2019-04-19 17:33
#8
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Oh, Donnie, you are a little controversial about illegal immigration I SAID IT'S ILLEGAL
2019-04-19 17:35
#9
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Austria raicoon1337 
what are you talking about?
2019-04-19 17:35
#12
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Trump's quote. He always points out ILLEGAL when libtards defend it xd
2019-04-19 17:36
#13
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Austria raicoon1337 
oh :D
2019-04-19 18:56
#28
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
#23
2019-04-20 06:02
leftists for trying to sneak them all over the border. good job citizen militia. this is why guns are legal. so people can protect their rights. we need guns everywhere. GUNS FOR THE UK NOW.
2019-04-19 17:35
#32
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
Uhh...no.
2019-04-20 06:07
Last time the UK allowed a large number of guns they had a small problem with the IRA. Also now Brexit is happening the IRA night come back PagChomp
2019-04-20 07:53
Nt cuck. Guns now. No one in the UK cares about Ireland. Even when they were bombing the Docklands. It is literally only Irish people and the govt who care. Ireland is one of the most irrelevant nations in the world.
2019-04-20 08:47
I'm 1/8th Irish....
2019-04-20 10:03
#250
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
So you 1/8 irrelevant?
2019-04-22 15:34
#105
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United Kingdom _P2K 
Legit what are you talking about
2019-04-20 09:27
#155
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Canada NELK 
UK school shootings gone up by 5000%
2019-04-20 12:29
Trump is responsible for the actions of every deranged supporter of his? Plus, illegal immigrants are illegal.
2019-04-19 17:36
#23
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
1. No. 2. They are asylum seekers, they are legal as defined by international law. 3. The ones acting illegally are the militia, citizens arrest in New Mexico can only be carried out once someone has been charged by the courts.
2019-04-20 06:00
#45
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
The reason i love America is because you can kill a robber and you won't get into any trouble. You see I L L E G A L immigrants, you catch them and report them to the Border Patrol. BP thanks you.
2019-04-20 06:42
#59
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Iceland cracker132456 
"2. They are asylum seekers, they are legal as defined by international law" LMAO 1/8
2019-04-20 07:11
+1
2019-04-20 07:15
#68
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United States Raptorial 
illegals nt
2019-04-20 07:23
Hey, I identify as an asylum seeker too! Let's see if America will let me walk across the Mexican border without papers or proper registration.
2019-04-20 07:55
#279
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Sweden Zaser5 
well you are probably white so they will let you in
2019-04-24 13:26
#90
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Japan Getp0x0st 
international law is a sham the un cant enforce shit and is a pedophile cult
2019-04-20 09:04
#91
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Europe tweekzter 
I'd say that how they crossed the border wasn't legal as well. So this is kind of illegal on both sides. Probably a proper physical barrier could've prevented that. =) Plus, it may not even be illegal on the militias side. In most countries it is legal, if you see a violation, to detain the person with reasonable amount of force until authorities arrive. So, as long as they didn't mistreat them, it may be fine...
2019-04-20 09:13
#95
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
The problem though is that they are forced to take that option. >Go back to Hond./Guatem.- Probably dead within a month. >Stay in Tiajuana - Same as above >Go to border entry point - Be arrested, detained, have your child taken from you, possibly subjected to forced feeding/forced drugging/forced declarations to return/physical abuse/lose your child to system. This isn't a black&white issue.
2019-04-20 09:14
#141
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Europe tweekzter 
True, this isn't a black / white issue, still you painted it that way. It's just not true, that they don't have another option. They could've stayed in their countries like they did for years. Let's face it. 99% of those refugees aren't in a life / death situation, they seek better living conditions. If having a better life would be a reason for asylum, everyone could move in. There need to be some fundamental rules, even if they are cruel from a moral point of view. That's a responsible, mature stance imo. At least if you want a sustainable society. Not morally great, but as you said - life isn't that black / white fairytale. On top, letting those people in, is discriminating towards everyone else who wants to move in legally and has to fullfill certain criteria. If you want to move to the US, you think you could just fly over there and tell them you are poor and want a better life? You'd be sent home with the next plane. I also don't think they'd die in Mexico or back in their countries. They aren't the poorest among the poor, otherwise they couldn't have afforded the trafficking in first place. Besides, if you give in to this, it's blackmailing. "Look, I am there - are you going to let me die?". People are responsible for their own decisions. If you give in, of course even more will come...
2019-04-20 10:58
+1
2019-04-20 12:46
#270
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Norway bruhfessor 
Smoking crack? Tijuana is a tourist place for americans, people litreally go there for vacation. It is not ”dead within a month”
2019-04-22 18:09
azylum seekers ? what's going on in Mexico, wars ? bullshit
2019-04-20 10:36
They're not asylum seekers, but economic migrants (they referring to the majority). All others might as well ask for asylum in Mexico or Nicaragua.
2019-04-20 12:51
#189
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United States flybywire12 
+1
2019-04-20 18:14
#269
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Norway bruhfessor 
They are not asymum seekers until they have stated it to border patrol. Before that they are not only illegal immigrants but also trespassers on private property, and are totally allowed to be detained until BP comes. This is what most of the illegals also want since they can claim asylum then which is why they dont even try to fight it by bringing guns or whatever
2019-04-22 18:07
No but with his entire attitude Trump has enabled and indirectly encouraged a lot of that type of behavior thats going on.
2019-04-20 10:43
Note taken next time I see you that you are just a baiter
2019-04-19 18:59
#34
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
Explain how?
2019-04-20 06:18
Nice to see hltv is finally realising this. Fuck\\ alt.
2019-04-20 07:04
#60
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
Try Googling me dumbass
2019-04-20 07:13
#73
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Poland morosek 
+1
2019-04-20 07:52
#16
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United States southamerican 
ORANGE MAN BAD
2019-04-19 20:47
Trump 2020 MAGA
2019-04-20 05:59
#234
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
Trump zionist shill and another Israel puppet. He only wants MIGA(Make Israel Great Again).
2019-04-22 11:40
#280
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Sweden Zaser5 
+1
2019-04-24 13:26
Good for you to finally realize that.
2019-04-20 10:44
what even is your point bud
2019-04-19 20:48
#24
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
#23
2019-04-20 06:00
#18
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
What??? they are Illegal man, do you understand? I L L E G A L They have no rights to be in america, good job militia
2019-04-19 20:51
#25
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
#23
2019-04-20 06:01
#169
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Hahahahahahaah 0/8 Listen here bud, here is how it works NO DOCUMENTS= YOU DONT GET IN Understood?
2019-04-20 13:11
That is literally not how it works...
2019-04-20 20:00
#197
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Oh okay then just open the borders, who cares?
2019-04-20 20:00
Gotta love it when you idiots pull out that card. No serious person on the left has argued for open borders.
2019-04-20 22:14
#235
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
So why does Israel allow "Settlers" aka Illegal Immigrants to live in Palestine on the West Bank? Are they Palestinian citizens ie. Do they have documents to prove they are Palestinian Citizens? No, they are Israelis that have all rights to get deported back to Israel.
2019-04-22 11:46
#236
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
And the Ironic thing is Trump supports this, a man who is extremely vocally against illegal immigration.
2019-04-22 11:45
#271
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Norway bruhfessor 
muslim pulling random israel card lmao
2019-04-22 18:12
#281
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Sweden Zaser5 
how can you know this man is muslim?
2019-04-24 13:28
#282
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Norway bruhfessor 
because of his logic. Same way if u talk shit about russia and then someone says ”yea but USA...” then you know he is russian
2019-04-24 17:41
#289
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Sweden Zaser5 
that's racist don't@me rightard
2019-04-24 22:58
#290
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Norway bruhfessor 
its not racist its stereotyping nt libtard
2019-04-24 23:40
#291
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Sweden Zaser5 
nt for me libtards is rightwing
2019-04-25 11:22
#292
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Norway bruhfessor 
nt communist
2019-04-25 18:39
#293
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Sweden Zaser5 
ty
2019-04-26 00:07
#194
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Australia c0meatm3_Bro 
there are grey area's though, if they are seeking asylum then they aren't illegal immigrants under international law, so if civilians are out arresting people (also against the law to pretend to be police and tell those you are arresting you are border patrol? and is it not illegal to interfere with law enforcement activities?) you might arrest people seeking asylum/refugee's and not people immigrating illegally, then those who detain can find themselves in more trouble then those who they detained. im not saying those who they detained where asylum seekers/refugees but since the malitia don't know the difference then they may at some stage detain the wrong people.
2019-04-20 18:43
#195
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Did they ever say that they pretend to be the police? its like when there is a burglar in the neighbourhood and some volunteer to watch for the night, same position. If they were Legal, they would have documents so they could be identified and not detained. IMHO: Very stupid fucking idea from Both sides, why would you go like some kind of militia patrolling the borders, thats not your job and you can get in trouble, and the illegals for being well, illegal and trying to cross borders
2019-04-20 19:33
"In another video posted Wednesday, Benvie filmed himself stopping a group of four adults and three children and said “border patrol” to them as he approached, before calling for another member of his group to join. The second man who arrived wearing camouflage pants then ordered the migrants to sit on the ground. The men subsequently appeared to call border patrol, with one saying, “Hello, I’ve got seven over here.” - Pretending to be BP.
2019-04-20 20:04
#200
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Oky, that doesnt make the migrants legal
2019-04-20 20:04
#95
2019-04-20 20:16
+1. This is the point I've been trying to get across but couldn't find the right wording.
2019-04-20 20:02
#19
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United States Mal14 
Citizens helping secure the border from illegal immigration, whats the issue?
2019-04-19 21:09
#26
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
#23
2019-04-20 06:01
#20
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United States PsychoLogical 
should’ve been more harsh.
2019-04-19 21:11
#33
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Brazil goodfallen 
Based Euros take lessons
2019-04-20 06:17
#40
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United States gtmaniacmda 
Wow, another retarded thread by xTheDeadPixel. Jonty is dead, we don't need a shitty clone, go away.
2019-04-20 06:26
#41
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Austria raicoon1337 
+1
2019-04-20 06:28
#44
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United States southamerican 
+1
2019-04-20 06:42
Do NOT compare Jonty-sama with OP
2019-04-20 07:01
#89
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Japan Getp0x0st 
+1
2019-04-20 09:04
#99
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United States ImFat 
+1
2019-04-20 09:19
both idiots mens))
2019-04-20 13:46
no u
2019-04-20 18:20
yes😎😎
2019-04-20 18:21
#64
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
Wow, another retard calling me a retard instead of discussing the topic. Trik is dead, we don't need a shitty clone, go away.
2019-04-20 07:20
#79
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United States gtmaniacmda 
discussing a topic? you post a link to a fucking guardian article and say "Who's the real monster?" good discussion there, I think me telling you to suck my dick would be about as good a contribution.
2019-04-20 08:15
>A question of morals >An obscene request Yeah, totally comparable....
2019-04-20 09:26
#119
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United States gtmaniacmda 
>useless comment >useless comment yes
2019-04-20 10:18
but you are his clone
2019-04-26 00:12
#75
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Poland morosek 
Bro, dont compare that shitter with aomeone as respectable as jonty.
2019-04-20 07:54
#97
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Italy 1257Legend 
+1
2019-04-20 09:17
#272
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Norway bruhfessor 
+1. brain dead topic. I can imagine leftist retards retweeting this with foam coming out of their mouth
2019-04-22 18:13
#42
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Austria raicoon1337 
Who's the real monster? The ones who are against this. The ones who like their friends and family being hurt by those "poor" & illegal aliens
2019-04-20 06:30
+1 Thank you, smart European man!
2019-04-20 07:06
#57
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Austria raicoon1337 
Thanks :) i feel like i was born in the wrong place 😛
2019-04-20 07:07
#65
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Kyrgyzstan Anschluss 
Wrong Österreich Pick 1
2019-04-20 07:20
#76
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Poland morosek 
Place is good, just bad times. I remember one awesome leader from Austria
2019-04-20 07:55
#78
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Austria raicoon1337 
xaxaxaxa )))
2019-04-20 08:12
#92
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Europe tweekzter 
He first stopped an attack from the future, then became gouveneur of California.
2019-04-20 09:09
#107
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Poland morosek 
Not him but well, i forgot about arnold :C
2019-04-20 09:28
Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria?
2019-04-20 12:55
#67
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United States Raptorial 
+1
2019-04-20 07:23
I L L E G A LLLLLLLL
2019-04-20 06:33
+1
2019-04-20 07:06
#72
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
A S Y L U M
2019-04-20 07:49
#82
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United States southamerican 
Proof?
2019-04-20 08:49
The Militias videos....
2019-04-20 10:13
thats where you belong
2019-04-20 12:55
#46
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Brazil jmarcelo 
not trump lol i can say i like water and then go commit a crime, and now whoever drinks water is in favor of the crime i commited. stupid logic mate
2019-04-20 06:49
#48
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Indonesia fraus 
detaining is not kidnapping. Were they supposed to just let them cross through freely and illegally? kudos to the militia for serving the law where it is due.
2019-04-20 06:59
#50
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Austria raicoon1337 
+1
2019-04-20 07:01
+1 Of course UK a flag is crying about this. They literally need a license to look at a pair of tits lmao
2019-04-20 07:05
#56
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Austria raicoon1337 
Sad how the left ruined almost everything
2019-04-20 07:06
#61
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
#23
2019-04-20 07:14
#106
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Indonesia fraus 
asylum seekers or not i can give a rats ass. undocumented immigrants stealing jobs and importing drugs is all i see. Mexico need to fix their problems before they start expecting us to fix it for them, this is ridiculous.
2019-04-20 09:28
Wow. You know jack shit about geopolitics, huh? The US is partially responsible for a lot of that.
2019-04-20 13:06
+1
2019-04-20 13:00
The real monsters are the illegals tbh
2019-04-20 07:05
most braindead comment on this thread and thats kinda difficult to achieve.
2019-04-20 10:45
If they won't even immigrate legally, how likely is it that they'll abide by the law for the rest of their lives and integrate into and contribute towards the society?
2019-04-20 13:00
He must be baiting
2019-04-20 18:22
From what I have read on the .gov pages, its quite difficult to immigrate to the US legally, especially (!) if you dont have someone in the US who is a legal citizen already as a family member or employer. Plus the number of visas is limited. But the reality is that the mexican mafia doesnt wait for your ass to get a lawful visa. So if that doesnt work and you are about to face whatever violence it may be, you rather immigrate illegally. Thats pretty obvious. You are pretending as if these people are doing it for the kicks or because they have some inherent malevolence and that is absurd.
2019-04-20 20:09
No, I believe they do it for the financial gain. That's a pretty common and reasonable motive. And one usually buys a plan ticket before going to the airport.
2019-04-20 20:55
Thats kinda unrealistic considering what they leave behind, innit? It takes a lot of misery (or anticipated misery) to motivate whole families to leave almost everything behind. I find the motive of "financial gain" unrealistically petty. And I dont understand your last sentence.
2019-04-20 21:05
The point of the last sentence is that, if you intend to immigrate legally, you don't get into the situation you described, because you have all your documents and requirements sorted before you leave home. And it's not like they live in imminent danger. Sure, they might be living in a violent area / country, but they have been for their entire lives. That isn't sufficient cause for refugee status. And these are clearly not valid refugees, otherwise they wouldn't have tried crossing at an unmanned area of the border. If you are referring to the family being left behind, I don't think that it's such a great price to paying for all. Firstly, often multiple family members attempt illegal immigration together (stories of ICE separating families). Secondly, as you also pointed out, I can imagine that they believe they have greater chance of bringing the entire family once one member is inside. Thirdly, they may think they will become rich enough to visit them regularly and help them financially. Fourthly, the financial benefits might outweigh the downside of the distance between the family. This isn't an absurd notion at all, as even with financial sound and socially intact families, many bread earners work abroad for extended periods of time. And lastly, it's not always a happy family. Summarizing, the price they pay of choosing to leave may not be as hefty as you make it out to be, but the economic pull factors sure seem clear. But however the immigrants rate the trade-off, there isn't anything that justifies illegal immigration. There are 130 Mexicans living in Mexico. And by no means are all Mexicans in imminent danger, so the folks from Honduras and Guatemala may as well stay in Mexico. And this is all on top of the unsocial act of jumping the line of all legal immigration applicants, should you intend to argue that it is immoral to prohibit illegal immigrants from entering.
2019-04-20 21:48
US asylum laws don't allow you to apply from within your country.
2019-04-20 22:17
So all legal immigrant applicants are first illegal immigrants? travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-vi..
2019-04-20 22:52
?...no. How is that even a line of thought you got from that? Unless you honestly don't know what asylum is, or how or why these people from Honduras and Guatemala are coming?
2019-04-20 23:23
Your statement is incorrect. You can apply for refugee status from within your country of origin, which is what I am referring to. Asylum seekers enter the country legally, and then apply for the right to remain in said country. Clearly, this doesn't hold for the people here, as they are illegally crossing the border. Secondly, the meaning one derives of your statement is that the people of concern aren't able to apply from outside of the country, hence the are forced to be illegal immigrants (people the cross the border illegally) by the design of the application process, which is idiotic of you to think that that is really required by the immigration process. You didn't address my point of reasonably forced displacement. You didn't address my point of why they are fleeing from Mexico. You didn't address the immorality of unlawfully jumping the line of all legal applicants. To be frank, you didn't contribute one bit to the healthy discussion that was going on. And why aren't you bashing the illegal immigrants to the same extent you are bashing the militia, given both are breaking the law in your eyes?
2019-04-21 12:03
I still havent seen a way on the .gov sites to apply without already having someone there. Also, leaving all your stuff behind and jumping into the unknown is a great risk and something that (I believe) still takes a big "motivation" to do. All of the things that you have listed are hypotheticals. None of them may happen. Its a great risk and the way that humans function is so that they in most cases dont like the unknown and are safe-players. So in order to get whole families to try to move, they must have it pretty shitty. Also, I looked up the whole process for getting green cards and its extremely difficult and VERY long. I will post my finding in a comment below (I will reply to myself because its a lot of text):
2019-04-22 11:06
Mexicans are the largest group of immigrants living in the U.S. They've been under pressure since President Donald Trump called for construction of a wall between the U.S. and Mexico and said Mexico wasn't sending its "best people." So why don’t Mexicans and other immigrants just get in line for their green cards so they can later apply for citizenship? Well, it’s not that easy. Six reasons why: You need a green card. And they’re hard to get. Immigrants must qualify for a green card, which allows them to live and work in the U.S. legally. Permanent residency is usually obtained because an employer needs the immigrant to work a particular job, or because the immigrant has a close relative living in the U.S. The immigrant must show he or she won't become a public charge of the government, must pass a medical exam and, in many cases, get a sponsor who will attest to accepting financial responsibility for the immigrant. But it can take years and, in the case of Mexicans, even decades. Why does it take so long? A backlog is built into the system: About 1 million green cards are issued each year, but there are limits in some categories. There are no limits on immediate family — spouses and unmarried sons and daughters younger than 21 and parents of U.S. citizens 21 or older. The largest number of green cards is given to immediate relatives. But the federal immigration act provides for an annual limit of 226,000 slots for immigrants under family-sponsored categories where no immediate relative is applying: For example, brothers and sisters of adult U.S. citizens. It also calls for an annual limit of 140,000 under the employment-based categories. That’s further complicated by limits on the number of people who can come from each country. One can also get a humanitarian visa, or a diversity visa. All in all, about 1 million people get residency each year. What countries have the longest wait times? Wait times vary based on how a person might qualify for a green card. For example, as of this month, it takes at least 22 years for people from Mexico to get a green card if they’re the married son or daughter of a U.S. citizen. The four countries with the longest wait times for family and for employer-sponsored permanent visas are Mexico, India, China and the Philippines. So the line is very long. The State Department publishes a monthly bulletin updating applicants on the earliest month and year of the green card applications that are being reviewed. Why so long for Mexicans? Mexico is the U.S.’s largest source of immigrants — both lawfully and unlawfully here. They made up about 28 percent of all immigrants in 2014, according to the Pew Research Center. Because Mexico is our neighbor and has so many immigrants with deep ties to the U.S., there are many more Mexicans waiting for green cards. Right now, about 1.3 million Mexicans are waiting to learn whether they can get family-sponsored green cards, according to a federal government report. And that’s just those living outside the U.S. This is how far behind they are: The State Department is now processing visas for the Mexican married sons or daughters of U.S. citizens who have been waiting in line since May 1995. It’s slightly worse for Filipinos who have visa dates of March 1995 for the same family relationship. Another example: A brother or sister from Mexico of an adult U.S. citizen would have to be waiting in line since October 1997. But because fewer are applying from India and the caps for India are different, a brother or sister from India would have to be waiting in line since November 2003. Can an unauthorized immigrant already living in the U.S. apply for legal permanent residency? It depends, says Dan Kowalski, an immigration attorney and the editor of Bender’s Immigration Bulletin. Immigrants can apply for a waiver for the fact they are already here unlawfully, if they have a qualifying relative or another way to apply, Kowalski said. But getting such waivers is difficult, he said. Are there efforts afoot to limit legal immigration? Legal immigration is in the limelight now as Congress considers legislation that would cut in half the number of green cards awarded each year. The biggest target are those green cards that reunify family members who are non-immediate relatives, Kowalski said.
2019-04-22 11:05
none of that copypasta addressed any of the points #219 made. the only thing it amounts to is "boohoo immigrating to america is hard". for some getting laid is hard, for others getting rich the next thing you know you'd be writing paragraphs about how rape, theft and murder are all a consequence of a government not providing enough for the people so they have to take it by force. #229 goes to show you are just an over privileged schmuck who doesn't have the slightest idea what he's talking about. poverty is as great a motivation as anyone needs. if the choice is between succumbing to crime or trying to jump the border it is a no brainer. hell, millions of those who successfully did so are a testament to it being quite practical. immigrating to US isn't a basic human right, living in poverty or getting into trouble with the mafia aren't valid reasons for seeking asylum in the states.
2019-04-22 12:35
Let me get this straight: "getting into trouble with the mafia" is not a valid reason for seeking asylum? You do realise that mafia doesnt just throw a brick through your window once a month? They do the exact same shit as ISIS if you dont succumb to their extortion? Kill you, kidnap you, ransom and so on...? You call ME overprivileged while stating that the mafia threatening your and your families life is not a valid reason to flee, typing that sitting on your fat ass in some beautiful european country (almost certainly better off than mexico). Step aside and let the grown-ups continue the discussion.
2019-04-22 14:37
no it's not. it's your country's responsibility to deal with that. moreover, the reason WHY you are in trouble with the mafia is relevant to and jumping border isn't a magical out of jail free card. i have a close friend whose dad had gambling issues and owed money he borrowed on the black market. he died from cancer and my friend ended up having to pay the debt. so yeah, his piece of shit dad almost fucked up his life and it's not some foreign country's responsibility to fix it. luckily for him the debt wasn't that large and he managed to pay it off but that's beside the point. then there is the whole issue of proving you are being singled out. why would the mafia even want to bother with you? do you think that the mafia runs rampant in south america randomly killing people? maybe that's how rich over privileged people like you perceive latin america, i don't know. at the end of the day, i could even concede this point because the margin is so insignificant. personally, i don't think it's a legitimate reason to demand asylum but let's pretend it is. out of the many millions who immigrated illegally, how many were truly persecuted by the mafia? a fraction of a percent? poverty is by far the biggest factor and like i've said it's not a valid reason for asylum seeking. you didn't try to refute it either. my bet is that in your perception poverty SHOULD be a valid excuse for asylum seeking even if it currently isn't.
2019-04-22 15:29
Ahh, sure, let the idealist in you pretend that "letting the state deal with it" is an actual option. There is such a thing as corruption and from how I understand it, the mafia and police in these countries are almost indistinguishable. Both in what they are doing and why they are doing it. In your world there is NO legitimate reason for asylum and you have demonstrated that very clearly. Like I said, Mafia singles businesses out for extortion and young family members (mostly males) for recruitment into the mafia. They dont randomly kill people, they systematically kill people. Whether poverty is an acceptable asylum reason imo? Im on the fence about it, but your points sure as hell are terrible.
2019-04-22 15:47
sure there are reasons for asylum, the ones stated by the states for instance seem reasonable enough. they require a person to be specifically targeted for either innate qualities such as race, ethnicity, nationality or ideologically motivated such as religion or political stance. being poor doesn't fit in. getting involved in the criminal world and getting buttfucked thereafter doesn't either. you aren't on the fence. you realize as well as i do that poverty is the single largest factor in illegal immigration to the states. this is precisely why you'd rather talk about the mafia which by your own admission you know vaguely about, to desperately attempt creating content for an argument that isn't there to be had. since you are for open borders regardless the reason for why people want to cross said borders is only secondary and since the leading reason is banal you'd rather avoid it altogether and instead focus on something flashy, in this case the mafia boogeyman. kinda reminds me those pro abortion fanatics who keep bringing up rape which is the cause of like 1-2% of all abortion cases in the US. that doesn't mean there is no case to be made for pro abortion but it does demonstrate the lack of intellect of those involved and most importantly their intent to argue in bad faith.
2019-04-22 17:30
Wow, really? Do you understand how extortion works? Its when a criminal comes to you and expects you to give him a cut of his money in exchange for not wrecking your existence, because he knows you have a store, not because you "got involved with the criminal world". In your world you call the police and its more or less over. But in other countries the police just doesnt do shit because they cant or because they are - get this - INVOLVED WITH THE CRIMINAL WORLD. What world are you living in? The point is this: Why hinder people who have a good reason (not necessarily asylum-worthy, but still a good reason) from immigrating legally?
2019-04-22 17:36
i don't know, you are the one who suggests mexicans can just climb up the fence and use their privilege of being geographically close to the states to gradually overload the immigration system while people who have better justification for asylum or want to immigrate legally get stuck in a bureaucratic limbo.
2019-04-22 17:46
When did I say that thats how it should be? Also, Im PRETTY sure that the vast majority of mexicans also want to immigrate legally.
2019-04-22 17:57
#248
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Yeah but surely if Poverty or living under oppression was a valid reason to seek Asylum then most of the continent of Africa and vast swathes of the Middle East would be applicable to come? Capitalism doesnt work when everyone has a good life and the sad reality is there will always be the people at the bottom
2019-04-22 15:30
Well, those that come from countries that are deemed dangerous do get asylum. So that IS what is happening.
2019-04-22 15:43
no it's not. it's on an entirely different scale. there are millions of people dying every year from famine alone in africa. then there are diseases, wars, insurgency groups, islamic terrorism etc. realistically you'd either have to invest most of the budget of 1st world countries to try to elevate africa which would probably take a few decades and cause social services in said 1st world countries collapse or you'd have to absorb millions of africans every year which will do nothing for the africans living in africa but at least you can pat yourself on the back by saying you saved people. then again, the majority of those people will be used as cheap labor force for a few generations and the sudden change in demographic is likely to cause conflicts and the rise of the far right. im sure global corporation, especially those who aren't too fond of the rising wages in china, would approve. even if you do manage to elevate africa, what are you going to do when it goes through industrialization on the scale that happened in china? people moaning about trump leaving the paris accords and global temperature rising by a tenth of a degree. how about an entire continent that is going to pollute twice the amount the US does? what then? give african countries nuclear technology perhaps? or maybe spend trillions of dollars on solar arrays since africa has neither the technology nor the resources to afford it. pick your poison. but hey, it's much nicer to pretend that mexico has it rougher than africa and allowing a few thousands of illegals to get in scot-free is the hill to die on.
2019-04-22 17:13
I said "countries that are deemed dangerous enough" for a reason. (I have to admit that that statement wasnt regarding the US but my home country which has assigned certain countries the attribute of being dangerous enough for us to accept refugees from there) Not all african countries are on that list, not all middle-eastern countries are on that list. As such, your hypotheses are all fine and dandy, just not completely relevant as they address a point I never made. I only said "the asylees of some countries get accepted because it is dangerous enough over there" and thats not wrong. And I never said that this somewhat idealistic idea of giving everyone from those countries asylum is the PERFECT solution but I can certainly understand it from a human standpoint.
2019-04-22 17:22
nt Jussie Smollett.
2019-04-20 07:08
There should be landmines and snipers at the border. And helicopter patrols with rockets and machine guns.
2019-04-20 07:20
#66
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United States Raptorial 
Good job for detaining these illegals. If you want to migrate into the country follow the rules, around 1 million LEGAL immigrants enter a year who follow the rules.
2019-04-20 07:22
They're illegal you braindead fuck. Imagine rats walking into your home, you would set up traps to stop them. These fine men are stopping these illegal immigrants who are breaking the law and are also coordinating with the US border patrols to have them deported.
2019-04-20 07:33
+1111
2019-04-20 08:17
#85
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Brazil dmn1 
people like you deserve a high five to the face with a chair
2019-04-20 08:57
nt illegal immigrant
2019-04-20 14:54
#244
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Better analogy Rats come into your house (Illegal Immigrants crossing) You set up traps to stop them (Border Guards) A rat goes straight past your foot (You catch it yourself)
2019-04-22 15:24
#83
FalleN | 
Brazil dmn1 
i really admire your patience to argue with the average hltv member
2019-04-20 08:56
Thnx. Most of them aren't able to have a logical conversation without devolving to racism and hate, so it is hard. But one day at a time, eh?
2019-04-20 09:23
Yeah like someone who disagree with you is stupid and racist ? You have no common sense, better educate yourself, experience real life and use your brain. Life is not black or white only
2019-04-20 10:40
OH REALLY? From my experience the group that VASTLY more often puts the world in super-simplified and black/white-terms is the right wingers. They never are willing to read more than 1 paragraph, they are always out for the demagogic headlines while never fact-checking them and are generally not willing to look at the other side or other sides to a story. So... better tell your friends instead of some fucking leftie, dude.
2019-04-20 10:48
My friends ? It seems you no them better than i do, i have no right wingers around me, at least from what i know. But i'll be careful and if i find one, i'll tell him. It seems you have small experience.
2019-04-20 10:52
Yeah, it wasnt really meant literally. I dont have little experience, I have dealt with this shit for years now, it even got me so annoyed that I stepped away from american politics (because thats where its at its extreme) for a while a couple of years ago and just ignored it because it was so frustrating to see the idiocracy.
2019-04-20 12:22
Lol
2019-04-20 13:08
+1
2019-04-20 13:02
#87
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Japan Getp0x0st 
detaining criminals until authorities can apprehend them =/= kidnapping
2019-04-20 09:03
#94
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United States ImFat 
+1 I didn’t read all the article but, it doesn’t seem that bad to me, the only thing that makes it weird is that it was a armed militia. If this was on let’s say Billy from Alabama and he caught Bob in his yard illegally trespassing, and he kept him there while police arrived it would not be bad/weird.
2019-04-20 09:14
Except thats not their yard. Critical difference.
2019-04-20 10:49
#146
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United States ImFat 
Yes and no, obviously it’s not their “yard” but if it is their property and they own the land, it’s Essentially the same thing. If it is not the militias land, i would say it’s illegal, but if they own the land I don’t think it’s illegal at all. So it all hinges on who’s land it’s on.
2019-04-20 11:46
I am 99% certain its not their land, considering this: "No authority': New Mexico governor tells militia to stop arresting migrants at border "It should go without saying that regular citizens have no authority to arrest or detain anyone," New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham" They are just wannabe Chuck-Norris-Gun-Nuts.
2019-04-20 12:26
#98
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
#23
2019-04-20 09:18
#101
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Japan Getp0x0st 
No you're legally allowed to temporarily detain a criminal while waiting for authorities. >man tribes to mug you >pull out gun >make him stay where he is >call cops >keep an eye on him and keep him in your view until cops come >um sorry sir youre under arrest for detaining a criminal also they're illegals not asylum seekers They need to make a formal application and need to be actual refugees/displaced persons
2019-04-20 09:20
#143
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Japan Getp0x0st 
i dont click amp links
2019-04-20 11:36
#144
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Japan Getp0x0st 
medium.com/@danbuben/why-amp-is-bad-for-your-site-and-for-the-web-e4d060a4ff31
2019-04-20 11:38
#145
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Austria raicoon1337 
#101 detaining criminals/illegals is allowed.
2019-04-20 11:39
#93
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United States ImFat 
Didn’t read all of it but, if the Illegal immigrants were illegally on the militias property, it seems legal to me that in America, you can hold them there while they wait for authorities. But if they were hurting them/actually killing and keeping them from authorities this becomes a problem, but if they just hold them on their own property while border patrol comes to detain them it seems reasonable to me. Alternate scenario: if I was walking on my land, and I found some one illegally trespassing on my land, it makes sense that I can stop them and keep them while the police arrive. (Sorry for spelling and grammar mistakes it’s 2 AM where I live)
2019-04-20 09:12
#23
2019-04-20 09:19
#102
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United States ImFat 
It’s different, if they are trespassing I can keep them there while police arrive, it makes no sense that “asylum seekers” can ran freely run on my property and possible destroy or steal from me and I’m not allowed to stop them. 0/8
2019-04-20 09:23
#129
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United States ImFat 
That means nothing, just cause the governor said “don’t do it” doesn’t necessarily mean it’s illegal, that’s just them saying you shouldn’t try and arrest them, I don’t know 100% cause I have not read enough, but from what I’ve seen so far, they are not “kidnapping them” or attempting to arrest them, they are simply holding them there until authorities (border patrol/police) arrive, which is not illegal, not wrong or being a vigilante. They are simply keeping illegal trespassers who are trespassing on their own land in one place until the police arrive. Regardless of how bad they are trying to word it and how bad the media are trying to swing or make it seem, they don’t seem to be doing anything illegal as far as I can tell.
2019-04-20 10:40
"They have no legal authority to arrest or detain anyone"
2019-04-20 13:31
#173
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Austria raicoon1337 
Ur just a baid baited or dumb if you believe in what you are saying.
2019-04-20 13:42
You should try applying those words to yourself then.
2019-04-20 17:42
#96
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Italy 1257Legend 
holy fuck its this idiot again, still making a fool out of himself.
2019-04-20 09:15
Didn‘t i see this in movie ending with a crazy mexican killing Steven Seagal? Sad times.
2019-04-20 10:21
0/8
2019-04-20 10:44
so what should they do? let them into the country?
2019-04-20 14:55
that's what people like OP want but never ever admit lol
2019-04-20 18:08
In the case of this article: Regardless of the legality of the migrants, this militia group is acting illegally. In regards to the caravan from Honduras & Guatemala: #95
2019-04-20 20:13
As both are acting illegally, apparently, why are you bashing both sides equally?
2019-04-20 20:58
"Several videos taken at the border in New Mexico this week appeared to show men belonging to a group that calls itself the United Constitutional Patriots approaching migrant families and children, ordering them to sit down, calling federal agents on them, and at one point potentially misrepresenting themselves by saying “border patrol” as they approached." detaining ILLEGAL immigrants =\= kidnapping immigrants i support this militia now
2019-04-20 15:43
#120
2019-04-20 20:15
"The American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico has demanded that Lujan Grisham and New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas investigate the militia organization" "“The Trump administration’s vile racism has emboldened white nationals and fascists to flagrantly violate the law,” the ACLU said. “This has no place in our state: We cannot allow racist and armed vigilantes to kidnap and detain people seeking asylum. We urge you to immediately investigate this atrocious and unlawful conduct."" they are just left-wing traitors
2019-04-20 20:43
That is bad, but Trump didn't tell them to do that. It was their own decision. It's like when everyone was outraged that the KKK supported Trump. Trump isn't responsible for what his voters do
2019-04-20 18:18
#132
2019-04-20 20:14
Because Trump wants to secure the borders? Something that is long overdue?
2019-04-20 20:24
Yeah, it's long overdue, but there are waaay better ways to do so.
2019-04-20 20:36
So far none of the lefties could give one way that's better
2019-04-20 20:37
better way is to guard the borderline. and stop everyone who's trying to enter illegally. you dont even have to be politician for this.
2019-04-20 21:09
Isn't it way too much area to cover to do it with guards? Seems kinda excessive
2019-04-20 21:20
There are more ways to curb the flow than just that though. Removing Trump's zero tolerance policy, enabling migrants to apply for asylum from within their countries, working closer with international authorities on background checks, actions on climate change, not committing and/or financially aiding regime-change wars/coups, ending the drug war, legalised prostitution, additional entry points.
2019-04-20 22:07
#243
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Legalised prostitution? Are you a retard? That opens up soooo many opportunities for exploitation (ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS ITS ILLEGAL)
2019-04-22 15:21
You forgot to add 'not being a financially sound country, 'not having a hard working population', 'not having a self-responsible society', etc. Those are the real reasons for the reasons America attracts immigration.
2019-04-23 14:31
An you don't have to be an economist to figure out that that isn't a economically viable solution.
2019-04-23 14:27
It's not kidnapping - it's a bunch of people that don't belong in the country and don't want to do it legally being detained for good reasons.
2019-04-20 20:38
#210
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United States Trump2020KAG 
nothing new...militias been patrolling unprotected areas for past 20 years.....its not a Trump thing
2019-04-20 20:39
ORANGE MAN BAD
2019-04-20 21:09
What a loaded news beat up. Such emotive writing. The writer must be fresh out of leftwing uni studies. This piece is guided by an unbalanced opinionated editorial. GoGo millenial journalism!
2019-04-22 15:28
So effectively what they said was: The Trump administration are a bunch of law-breaking fascists because of a vigilante "militia" that has nothing to do with the administration detained people potentially unlawfully. US citizens have a right and civic duty to uphold the law, this is only vigilantism if they did indeed "kidnap" people however it is perfectly legal in my understanding (as a Brit) to detain people in the US if they have committed a crime, the article goes on to state that this a breach of freedoms namely the "freedom of movement", these freedoms are rights of US citizens and those are not US citizens. No laws were broken, no one was hurt, the "we're border patrol" statement was admitted to be speculated in the report it's self, and the role of ICE and border patrol was upheld by upstanding citizens. Are we holding Americans to the laws present in the UK/EU now? Are reporters going to consistently shit on Trump when something has nothing to do with him? Is there any part of this that will ever come from the side of the opposing argument without getting quotes from anyone portraying the antithesis of anyone on the right? Will we ever get a media that actually cares about giving the public the information they deserve without a partisan rhetoric? GLHF my fellow millennials, we've got to sit through the desperate collapse of radicalized mainstream media
2019-04-22 15:28
You dont care about the law but you acting like you care, they are illigal and should be sent to jail. They are not in a war so your point is invalid.
2019-04-22 15:30
#252
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Germany felixlulz 
what a retarded aritcle, perfectly written to get the 80 iq libtards mad lmao
2019-04-22 15:36
you can just tell this guy posts on r/lgbt and r/politics lul
2019-04-22 15:38
#254
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Korea XigNw0w 
How it's "pro-trump"? because they detain ILLEGAL migrants, it's automatically pro-trump?
2019-04-22 15:38
#256
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United States [BluE] 
Politics is really dumb. It brings out the worst of humanity. I want to die more and more every day
2019-04-22 15:42
and thats exactly the problem in our world,cunts like you waiting for "authorities" to do things,no you idiot,its your home,your city,your country,YOU HAVE to take care of it,and the lack of this behaviour is the reason a lot of countries have lost themselves.
2019-04-22 17:37
+1 I agree. I believe a lot of so-called failed states failed due to the lack of social self-responsibility. A nation is made up of its people after all.
2019-04-23 14:26
Thank you admins for, for once, leaving a political thread open, allowing for some interesting discussions unfold.
2019-04-23 14:22
#283
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Hungary HAS12 
This kid is probably laughing his ass off from all the people he baited in this thread.
2019-04-24 17:45
Why don't we have some fucking balls in Europe and start doing the same? So tired of being the "OCMW" for the entire world.
2019-04-24 18:09
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