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"Soviets were starving"
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North America northamerican 
cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP.. According to the CIA, the Soviets ate better than Americans. The cia must be biased against America, right? Omegalul. Everything you rightists believe about socialism is propaganda intended to keep you from challenging the overlords.
2019-04-19 23:12
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Yugoslavia nuts_lover69 
they only examined the test subjects that stalin gave them ez thinking men 😎😎😎
2019-04-19 23:13
u get so much knowledge from eating nuts men))😎
2019-04-21 02:24
ez think 😎😎
2019-04-21 11:00
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United States gtmaniacmda 
>1983
2019-04-19 23:14
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JW | 
United Kingdom Hamshanks 
+1
2019-04-19 23:15
Reports suggest this trend existed since the 50s. Your point exactly?
2019-04-19 23:16
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Yugoslavia nuts_lover69 
#1
2019-04-19 23:16
Not how the data was collected.
2019-04-19 23:17
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Yugoslavia nuts_lover69 
shut the fuck up im correct
2019-04-19 23:18
Lol u rekt him
2019-04-21 11:04
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United States gtmaniacmda 
that isn't in the link, was I supposed to assume this?
2019-04-19 23:17
+1
2019-04-19 23:19
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Brazil D1sco 
+1
2019-04-21 03:34
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broky | 
Latvia tragttutS 
soviet union doesnt exist anymore who cares
2019-04-19 23:19
People still use anti-soviet propaganda to argue against left politics.
2019-04-19 23:30
Come to Moldova see for yourself.
2019-04-20 16:28
+1
2019-04-21 02:23
Wow what top reporting by the CIA, top quality stuff, truly amazing. $15 billion a year well spent
2019-04-19 23:21
they are probably talking about the jews in soviet union, not the natives
2019-04-19 23:23
2019-04-21 02:13
Tax dollars well spent OMEGALUL
2019-04-19 23:23
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United States southamerican 
well spent on NUCLEAR ARSENAL LUL
2019-04-20 02:38
then why did it fail?
2019-04-19 23:26
It's almost impossible to sustain yourself as a country against the entire capitalist oligarchy of the world fighting against you and threatening to nuke you at every chance.
2019-04-19 23:30
because the soviets didn't also threaten to nuke, ever. I actually dare to say they had a better nuke arsenal than the muricans
2019-04-19 23:42
Yea I cant believe the Soviets were so aggressive to be the first ones to develop a nuclear arsenal, actually use it in war, and say that anyone who goes against the capitalist class will get the same. Wait...
2019-04-19 23:46
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United States southamerican 
I mean, we used the bomb to end a war, not start one.
2019-04-20 02:41
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Russia m8ms 
LMAO "end a war" which was already ended
2019-04-20 15:03
#64
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Norway SaltySausage 
japan was still trynna fuck the entireity of asia, so not really?
2019-04-20 16:20
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United States southamerican 
Japan didn't surrender until after we dropped the 2 bombs.
2019-04-20 18:26
"We".. Stfu kid, all u do is lay in bed all day eatin burgers and farting so much that u sound like an alfa romeo
2019-04-21 02:52
ahahaha n1 men)) 😎👍
2019-04-21 11:02
If the soviets didn't have their nukes, then they would've likely gotten nuked themselves. Mutually assured destruction n all
2019-04-21 02:27
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Slovakia zabrak159783 
More like its imposible to catch up with western/capitalist progress in a socialist/communist country...
2019-04-20 12:34
Lul say that to China
2019-04-20 12:40
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Slovakia zabrak159783 
>China free capitalist market >communist planned economy pick one
2019-04-20 13:00
China has no free market. It has a corrupt elite that owns the courts and chooses who can do business in what and where.
2019-04-20 16:31
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Slovakia zabrak159783 
Well, china supports free trade as much as it can. It is open for new investors, businessmen and market. Totally opposite of true communist controlled economy...
2019-04-20 23:07
What? You cant do business in China as you lose any court case by default. Locals can steal your business away from you and you can not do anything about it.
2019-04-21 01:12
China has some straight bullshit economics. Looks up ghost cities in China.
2019-04-21 02:28
lul the ussr had the second biggest economic growth of the 20th century. Russia barely had any industries before the USSR existed
2019-04-21 01:24
Tbf Russia didn't exist for 70 or so years after the communist revolution and the factories the ussr had were the result of millions of people being worked to death
2019-04-21 11:08
true but the same happened in capitalism during the industrialisation
2019-04-21 13:38
Because of the brainwashing and convincing people that they'd get a better life after independence by the west. Whose only goal was to destroy the Soviets so they can control the world easily without any major enemy... But then Russia fucked their plan up.
2019-04-20 12:45
say that to China
2019-04-20 16:29
Yeah sure China and Russia... But I meant back then, only the Soviets were a super power... China barely took out Japan.
2019-04-21 04:13
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Poland HTMFS 
There was the time the Soviet Union was rich and Usa in crisis right after 6 days Wars. Also Venezuela was so much rich in that period of history. But then Regan came to the power.
2019-04-19 23:27
Wow what top reporting by the CIA, top quality stuff, truly amazing. $15 billion a year well spent
2019-04-19 23:28
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
the starving bit usually refers to the collectivisation policies stalin enacted, as well as the holodomor. you are very dumb
2019-04-19 23:33
Was 1950-1991 soviet union not collectivized? Of course it was, and no starving. Famine did not come due to collectivism, it came due to being q developing country ravaged by two world wars.
2019-04-19 23:39
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_i.. you really, really dont know very much about history dude collectivising the ussr killed 7-14 million people and the holodomor killed up to 12 million this isnt even taking into account china when around 60 million died in the "great leap forward" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward yeah communism is sooooo good dumbass
2019-04-19 23:42
ha ha commie, clearly you dont know history, have you not seen the last line in this wiki article? Another libtard owned.
2019-04-19 23:45
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
kys communist fuckwit
2019-04-19 23:45
#48
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
u know u lost when u have to insult xDDDD.
2019-04-20 12:17
No fuck you too commie trash
2019-04-20 12:59
#57
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
kys communist fuckwit
2019-04-20 14:58
imagine a north american creating a thread arguing about life in the soviet era, where citizens weren't even informed of nuclear catastrophes within their region
2019-04-21 01:22
You know that you can check the stats and life expectancy in both countries. This report means jack since it doesn't tell anything about the sample size, means of measuring , who they targeted etc. Looks like a shit forged document. In 1983 the gap was already 7 years lmao and the stats are provided by both government agencies soooooo.
2019-04-19 23:37
I linked a shortened report because hltv rightists cant read. Heres a lengthened report you certainly won't read. cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_000..
2019-04-19 23:40
On the second page it already tells you that the methodology, they were only testing the quality of the food on a par calorie /gr base and estimating if the soviet food was better in term of quality. Not in term of mass availability. Sure there were growing classes, but as i mentionned earlier it doesn't deter from the fact rurals area had little access to such and there was still a shortage of food. People queuing for hours in front of stores. Life expectancy is always the prime barometer when you want to asses the quality of life of a said population. Even in the concluding part it mention again: the data presented for both countries represents per capita levels of nutrient in the food supply, not their actual ingestion. Normally such finding would have led to an increase in life expectancy and a lower mortality rate before a certain age. This wasn't the case for obvious reasons, despite the study finding. We have history and numbers to reflect on those numbers. Reading them without actually puting though on them is beyond stupid. 25 pages redacted in this manner are not even a 10 minutes read common. Edit: why would you lebel me as a rightist? Don't label people and make assumptions just because they don't agree on a very specific subject. I'm old enough and interested in geo pol, so over the years i have read quiet a lot. I'm not disagreeing with your base message there. The population wasn't starving and the food quality was actually better. The study does well in showing that. But the way you presented it clearly doesn't show how the aparachik were the one getting all the better food and even foreign products while the amss was suffering at time shortage etc, especially in more rural area.
2019-04-20 11:50
I'm not defending the us and certainly not this dude. What you linked is one of the main reason why WE live longer in Europe ^^.
2019-04-21 11:56
and in 1926 the russian born had a life expecancy of 44 years while the child born in the US had a life expectancy of 55 (male) to 58 (female) years. So a difference of 11-14 years meaning the USSR actually catched up to the US soooooo
2019-04-21 01:30
Just ignore the 23 lines i typed just below will you? Edit : it's not like you give much a fuck with this name anyway. Bait/100.
2019-04-21 01:41
I dont see what your 23 lines have to do with what I said? Also disagreeing with you is a bait?
2019-04-21 02:08
I fail to see why you would respond to that post instead of the one below after i read the 25 pages report, but have at it. Your name is a strong assesment in itself akin to what a troll would chose. Surely i could be wrong, but then again it's hard to see someone as unbiased in an argument when he has such a name. Nevertheless, catching up doesn't mind in the slighest that Russians were better nourished as a whole, wich was what the op was pointing to. On the contrary, having a lower life expectancy despite said food being of better quality would point out to a problem of availability to it, aka malnourishment reducing one's lifespan. There are of course numerous other factors, healthcare availability, work condition etcetc.
2019-04-21 02:42
"I fail to see why you would respond to that post instead of the one below after i read the 25 pages report, but have at it." I responded to that post because that one was talking about life expectancy? "Your name is a strong assesment in itself akin to what a troll would chose." So what? My argument isn't false just because my name isn't serious "On the contrary, having a lower life expectancy despite said food being of better quality would point out to a problem of availability to it, aka malnourishment reducing one's lifespan. There are of course numerous other factors, healthcare availability, work condition etcetc." True but I don't even want to talk about how much and how good they ate. You started using the life expectancy as an argument and ignored how it was before the USSR existed. I just wanted to refute that argument
2019-04-21 03:25
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Estonia w43reiam 
Soviets a dead,u kickin' rocks on a grave bruh
2019-04-19 23:46
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Faroe Islands ruski_puski 
lmao haha, i have family that lived in the soviet union (arguably the best part of it). People weren't starving, but oppression was real, no freedom of speech, people who spoke against the regime were sent to jail etc. Soviet Union was not a great place to be and the victims of the soviet regime are greater than those of holocaust.
2019-04-19 23:49
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Faroe Islands ruski_puski 
that being said, look at the date on this. 1983 nobody claimed people were starving in USSR.
2019-04-19 23:50
They had better equality. Even here in europe we felt it. There were no big differences, ofc politians were rich but thats still a thing. Noone was starving. But noone could afford everything everytime
2019-04-19 23:52
my parents and grandparents lived in soviet country and they say that it was horrible, my dad said that there was no pair of shoe in a most shoe stores, people barely had food bought in grocery stores usually they had agriculture in my country so you had to buy from someone else, (which was illegal) and I don't even wanna talk about freedom, soviet police officer went up to my dads friend after university was finished and he lit up the fire on his head just because he had long hair, soviets killed huge amounts of people but 12 year old fat American communist still thinks it was good.
2019-04-20 00:00
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United States southamerican 
+1
2019-04-20 02:36
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ZywOo | 
Colombia 7RU7H 
+1 same story my parents told me (about food/stores/etc)
2019-04-20 11:48
Maybe watch videos about people actually talking about it? 80% of them say that it was way better under Stalin, everything was cheap, everything was taken care of, safety was there for you as long as you don't act like a bitch..
2019-04-20 12:50
Yes retard i believe
2019-04-20 13:00
countries like Moldova Russia and all the shit countries nowadays liked it ask Estonian or Georgian or other person from slightly developed country they will say that it was horrible there
2019-04-20 16:56
North American talking about soviet, thinking it wasn't bad... expected. As someone who has studied the history of the soviet union and their occupation in their neighboring countries, i can tell you it really was THAT bad.
2019-04-20 02:41
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
I have never heard anyone say the Soviets were starving (post like 1950s).
2019-04-20 02:43
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Slovakia TreeMan 
this explains hlodomor beautifully. NOT
2019-04-20 02:45
Look at Venezuela. People on average have lost 10kg of weight due to their poor food production
2019-04-20 11:45
Just check life expectancy data to have an idea how things evolved. + you can always check how the shortening and lack of certain type of food, bad aprovisionement with food decaying and being rotten before hiting the controled shop. The different shops that were not available for everyone and reserved for the aparachik. + the actual testimony of people who lived and were adults in said period. People weren't starving for sure, but ignoring that a part of the population was not well nourished is misleading.
2019-04-20 11:47
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
Slavic diet better than shitty boomer western diet but doesn't mean communism didn't cause starvation lmao
2019-04-20 11:50
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NiKo | 
Slovenia celezi 
You must be a commie cuck
2019-04-20 11:50
Just pasting it here from above. On the second page it already tells you that the methodology, they were only testing the quality of the food on a par calorie /gr base and estimating if the soviet food was better in term of quality. Not in term of mass availability. Sure there were growing classes, but as i mentionned earlier it doesn't deter from the fact rurals area had little access to such and there was still a shortage of food. People queuing for hours in front of stores. Life expectancy is always the prime barometer when you want to asses the quality of life of a said population. Even in the concluding part it mention again: the data presented for both countries represents per capita levels of nutrient in the food supply, not their actual ingestion. Normally such finding would have led to an increase in life expectancy and a lower mortality rate before a certain age. This wasn't the case for obvious reasons, despite the study finding. We have history and numbers to reflect on those numbers. Reading them without actually puting though on them is beyond stupid. 25 pages redacted in this manner are not even a 10 minutes read common. Edit: why would you lebel me as a rightist? Don't label people and make assumptions just because they don't agree on a very specific subject. I'm old enough and interested in geo pol, so over the years i have read quiet a lot. I'm not disagreeing with your base message there. The population wasn't starving and the food quality was actually better. The study does well in showing that. But the way you presented it clearly doesn't show how the aparachik were the one getting all the better food and even foreign products while the amss was suffering at time shortage etc, especially in more rural area.
2019-04-20 11:51
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gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
1. Don´t compare the Soviet Union (or China) with the ideas behind socialism, the USSR was a perversion of that and a dictatorship. They removed the dictators and upper class to create new dictators and upper class. 2. Forced collectivisation made millions starve (to death in many cases) in both USSR and China, and decreased the quality of the products - food and nonfood. They may have started out with socialist ideas, but they were sacrificed. These ideas have influenced the West more today, with laws protecting and helping the poor, with better access to education, with rules for a safe work environment, with negotiated or garanteed wages etc. And it has been achieved without removing human rights, democracy or the wealthy. It´s a mix between capitalism and socialism. Free health care, free education etc. That is socialist ideas, when they work.
2019-04-20 12:08
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China KingHarlaus 
+1 Damn, eventually someone have made it clear.
2019-04-21 04:51
looooooool
2019-04-20 12:44
F.. Lithuania wasn't in USSR that time thankfully. We didn't have Vilnius region but our agricultural heart land was intact and provided much food
2019-04-20 16:13
actually people didnt have bad life. Most complaints I heard from people born in that era is lack of options in shops and couldn't travel. However USSR it self was huge, so there was some travel available. Btw there was no stress in life.. thats always good
2019-04-20 16:06
bro... do you know the agricultural potential of Lithuania, South Russia, Ukraine and pre-Chernobyl Belarus combined...? They had food lol
2019-04-20 16:08
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Brazil BrazilianDude 
Expected from a disgusting person like you.
2019-04-20 16:16
Who cares it's 2019 and soviets dont exist.
2019-04-20 16:23
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
Bro en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1.. FUCK OFF PLEASE YOU EXPECT THEM TO STARVE WITH THE AGRICULTURE OF THE BALKANS,BALTICS,UKRAINE and SOUTHERN RUSSIA? Fuck off libtard
2019-04-20 16:26
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Norway bruhfessor 
Imagine spending 15billion a year on agents who dont know the difference between calories and kilocalories (kcal or Cal)
2019-04-21 01:17
imagine caring about what soviets ate, while they sent ppl to war w/o guns... not a miracle it doesnt exist anymore
2019-04-21 02:38
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Poland GumiPr0 
1983 aka the year of massive loans in Poland, Soviet Russia, Hungary. Governments loaned so much money they could provide food but as soon as the money ran out every country was balls deep in shit
2019-04-21 03:26
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Brazil D1sco 
+10000000
2019-04-21 03:35
+1
2019-04-21 13:40
#92
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United States veggieclub 
very cool
2019-04-21 03:37
#94
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United States Trump2020KAG 
the liberal version of Trik
2019-04-21 04:19
The only thing that prevented us from living a normal life was the economy and the government XD
2019-04-21 04:32
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