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Taxation is theft.
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Change my mind.
2019-04-20 18:57
#1
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Europe Ligm@ 
There are more than 2 genders
2019-04-20 18:58
7: male, female, transmale, transfemale, detransitioned transmale, detransitioned transfemale and other Other is still unsure about itself and or going through changes
2019-04-20 20:35
SJWs are cringing reading this. Not even close XD
2019-04-21 03:00
#136
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United Kingdom XNL 
There's a difference between sex and gender. Sex we can't change, but gender is a social construct. Google it.
2019-04-22 13:43
#146
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
axaxaxaxaxa
2019-04-22 14:02
#149
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United Kingdom XNL 
I'm guessing you weren't taught much at school, cos you're the kid who also thought you needs to eat meat to produce cholesterol.
2019-04-22 14:07
#158
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
and heres the brainwashed kid that thinks you can have healthy cholesterol even on a vegan diet axaxaxaxaxa
2019-04-22 14:25
#167
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
you need meat so your body can function properly.... on a vegan diet you are missing over 50+ nutrients and saturated fat.
2019-04-22 14:35
#168
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United Kingdom XNL 
I'm not vegan you idiot, I was pointing out that you think you need meat to produce cholesterol. Your body produces 80% of it naturally.
2019-04-22 14:40
#171
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
right if you are starving yourself of vital nutrients you will lose weight and fat (saturated fat which is a vital fuel for your body) therefore starving the body and when you run out of saturated fat then you will start eating yourself without replenishing it (since you cant get saturated fat from plants or even break down plants like you do with animal products) therefore breaking down the whole system. So yes you do need animal products to get good high levels of cholesterol.
2019-04-22 14:50
#174
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United Kingdom XNL 
You are so naive it's unreal. You can get fats in both a vegetarian and vegan diets pretty easily.
2019-04-22 14:56
#176
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United Kingdom XNL 
FYI Saturated fats such as pies, pastries and cakes, butter, margarine, cheese, palm oil, coconut oil and coconut cream. Unsaturated fats including polyunsaturated oils such as sunflower, soya and flaxseed oils. Linseeds, walnuts and soya beans. Monounsaturated oils such as olive oil, rapeseed oil, avocadoes and nuts such as almonds, brazils and peanuts.
2019-04-22 14:59
#177
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United Kingdom XNL 
Also: Omegas (essential fats) Omega 3 and 6 Omega 3 Flaxseeds (ground and oil) Rapeseed/canola oil Hempseed oil Soya bean oil Walnut oil Algal oil Omega 6 Corn oil Grapeseed oil Sunflower oil Soya bean oil Walnut oil Wheatgerm oil Walnuts Soya beans
2019-04-22 15:01
#183
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Europe VeryHighIQ 
Chill.
2019-04-22 15:07
#187
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United Kingdom XNL 
Sorry, there's just too many idiots on this site.
2019-04-22 15:09
#188
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Europe VeryHighIQ 
You should expect this.
2019-04-22 15:09
#189
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United Kingdom XNL 
True, been on here long enough.
2019-04-22 15:10
#267
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
typical brainwashed slave lmao not even gonna argue with idiots like you.
2019-04-23 15:36
#275
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United Kingdom XNL 
Sounds like you can't back up your argument.
2019-04-23 20:24
Don't worry, at least you posted usefull infos. I forgot some of thé sources you listed so at minimum one person appreciated your post. Have a nice day.
2019-04-24 17:07
c u in 10 years, o wait, you'll be dead by then.
2019-04-22 15:08
#263
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
You really think the Lithuanian curriculum teaches people about differences between sex and gender? Also I don't know about you, but in the U.K. I wasn't taught anything about gender (I took Life Skills, but I think there was a choice to take Sociology, so they might've talked about gender there).
2019-04-23 11:25
#151
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Tunisia Yuri_Tarded 
The separation of sex and gender in itself is delusional.
2019-04-22 14:15
#159
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
sex is biological and can't be changed. Gender is a mental construct and thus doesn't have limits.
2019-04-22 14:25
#193
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United Kingdom Isquashua 
if gender and sex are that different how come they've been used interchangeably for hundreds of years up until recently, where some snowflakes on tumblr started making up some new ones for their personality traits?
2019-04-22 15:16
#208
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United Kingdom XNL 
Gender development is complex and there are many possible variations that cause a mismatch between a person’s biological sex and their gender identity, making the exact cause of gender dysphoria unclear. Occasionally, the hormones that trigger the development of biological sex may not work properly on the brain, reproductive organs and genitals, causing differences between them. This may be caused by: additional hormones in the mother’s system – possibly as a result of taking medication the foetus’ insensitivity to the hormones, known as androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS) – when this happens, gender dysphoria may be caused by hormones not working properly in the womb. Gender dysphoria may also be the result of other rare conditions, such as: congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH) – where a high level of male hormones are produced in a female foetus. This causes the genitals to become more male in appearance and, in some cases, the baby may be thought to be biologically male when she is born. Intersex conditions – which cause babies to be born with the genitalia of both sexes (or ambiguous genitalia). Parents are recommended to wait until the child can choose their own gender identity before any surgery is carried out.
2019-04-22 16:41
#224
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Tunisia Yuri_Tarded 
There were no such thing as "gender" until recently when it was used mainly by 3rd wave feminists in the 90s, they used to mean pretty much the same thing. Just because people choose to label themselves as something that doesn't mean it truly exists. A male is a male and a female is a female.
2019-04-22 19:56
#162
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
its uk education they are brainwashed as soon as they step into school (even more than other schools)
2019-04-22 14:32
#178
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Denmark Jackson2185 
No....
2019-04-22 15:02
The fact that you agree with that is sad lul. Should we start refering to you as they? Or it? Lul
2019-04-23 04:14
#255
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United States gtmaniacmda 
there are more than 7 genders
2019-04-23 08:16
Yes i forgot attack Heli copter and people underdeveloped by a disease
2019-04-23 11:08
#260
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Austria raicoon1337 
no only 2
2019-04-23 11:10
2019-04-23 11:13
there is only 2 genders female and male
2019-04-22 13:53
#161
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
so intersex people are fake
2019-04-22 14:26
#165
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
axaxaxaxa
2019-04-22 14:32
#169
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United Kingdom XNL 
Do you even know what intersex is?
2019-04-22 14:43
#173
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
yes i do but they are like under 1% of the population so we gonna start saying that people born with 7 toes on each foot are a normal part of our lives and need that recognition? + most trannys aren't even intersex they are males that think they are females (or try to make themselves and others believe). So yea intersex people are irrelevant.
2019-04-22 14:55
#258
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
You clearly just made that figure up for the sake of your argument, right now the best estimate for the percentage of intersex people in the population is 1.7%. Thats 128 million people. There are about 8 intersex people for every one Jew in the world. There is about 1 ginger for every intersex person. Edit: also intersex people are relevant as it completely destroys the notion that you are either male or female as some people are born part way between the 2. What gender do you assign to an intersex person or do they get to decide?
2019-04-23 09:42
#264
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
idk i dont really care about intersex people they are still at the end of the day male or female it just that they are deformed/fucked so takes longer to tell which one it is.
2019-04-23 12:49
#265
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
If you have both a penis and a vagina which are you? If you have the physical body of a male but the hormone balance of a female what are you? If you have 2 X chromosomes and a Y chromosome what are you? If you have just an X chromosome what are you?
2019-04-23 13:33
#266
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
a degenerated male or female.
2019-04-23 13:34
#271
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United Kingdom XNL 
You have no answer.
2019-04-23 17:20
#272
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Lithuania OnyxLT 
i dont care enough to answer lmao why do intersex people matter so much not even 1% of population doesnt change that there are only 2 genders
2019-04-23 18:27
#278
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Switzerland Infi2k 
so you wanna tell us here 1.7% (2 of 100) childs are born with penis+ vagina/tits? Dont you think, most of them made themself to what they are? So for me its just a product of todays tolerance, weirdoes and surgery. Nothing natural and nothing we should care about more than guys like you do already. Most of the people act tolerant because nowdays its cool, but would you make some one like that your bestfriend? would you give some one like that the chance to be it in front of your old friends and family? think about it before texting "cool tolerant stuff" here only to show people how good you are
2019-04-24 07:19
+1
2019-04-22 15:17
#2
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Yugoslavia nuts_lover69 
ok trik
2019-04-20 18:58
#256
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United States gtmaniacmda 
this isn't a trik alt (surprisingly)
2019-04-23 08:17
Tax’s are more like an investment that most of the time will not benefit you
2019-04-20 18:59
#7
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
How is it an investment?
2019-04-20 19:00
Well if you pay taxes and you have a kid you are investing your money into the school system for your child to get an education.
2019-04-20 19:02
Lol, never thought like this, always believed taxes are the most stupid thing and only the government makes money of it.
2019-04-20 19:04
#106
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Czech Republic rusteD 
A z ceho si myslis ze tvoj tatko bere socialni davky? A tvoja babka duchod?
2019-04-21 10:34
#128
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Slovakia mysterycsgo 
tak neviem ci toto je bait alebo ano
2019-04-22 13:12
maybe that's why you're an idiot
2019-04-22 13:43
Yep, if gov cared more I'd be a genius.
2019-04-22 14:22
nt
2019-04-22 14:22
Ok. Swedish school system > Slovak school system.
2019-04-22 14:23
obviously
2019-04-22 14:26
Sorry my friend, me stoopido, iDumb.
2019-04-22 14:31
Are you serious? You never once even tried to look up what taxes are for?
2019-04-22 17:23
Idk man, I think many different things, but not taxes. Sorry man, rly not.
2019-04-22 17:55
Hope you never had or expressed a strong opinion about them then.
2019-04-22 17:58
#16
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
If You are forced to pay it, that's not an investment
2019-04-20 19:04
Yes but if there was no taxes and there was only private schools you would still need to pay to send your kids their
2019-04-20 19:09
#25
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Which would be much better and morally right. But again, that's not the point. The point is: Prove that taxation is not the theft.
2019-04-20 19:11
#11
2019-04-20 19:12
#28
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
#16.
2019-04-20 19:13
You’re not forced to pay it, you just go to jail if u dont
2019-04-20 19:14
#34
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
"The slaves weren't forced to work, they'd just get killed if they didn't."
2019-04-20 19:18
Both of them you could escape from though. You think people who live in the Rocky Mountains off the grid with no connection to the internet pay taxes?
2019-04-20 19:19
#39
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
So if I come up with a gang and steal ur property, but allow you to escape, then it's not theft?
2019-04-20 19:21
Well obviously, I don’t see how this relates to living in the woods
2019-04-20 19:22
#42
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Ur saying it's not theft because u can escape...
2019-04-20 19:23
I’m saying there are ways to not pay taxes if u don’t want to
2019-04-20 19:23
#49
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Sure. You just have to give up ur property and life to livr in the woods xd
2019-04-20 19:26
yes? why do you think you're entitled to anything the country has without paying for it?
2019-04-22 13:50
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess he doesn't think the government should pay for it.
2019-04-22 14:53
pay for what lmao roads? fire dpt? police? i'll never fathom how people can be this dense. taxation is amazing
2019-04-22 16:14
Good job listing things you know libertarians agree should be the governments role. You're a master debater.
2019-04-22 16:20
conclusion taxation isnt fucking theft brainlet
2019-04-22 16:25
what gov run things shouldnt be in ur opinion? xD
2019-04-22 16:25
imagine feeling entitled to be able to NOT pay taxes when you're a literal parasite on society. if you have a house guest, you dont expect payment? sick, ima move in w/ u
2019-04-22 13:44
#36
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Albania PSDunken 
Speech 0
2019-04-20 19:19
and who would pay for roads, lights, police, hospitals, firefighters, boarder patrol, army ect..
2019-04-21 10:29
How can it be better morally? You only have this vision, because your family probably already have achieved what they needed. But theres countries where you can't achieve shit, if you don't have money or a great fundament in your family to start with. Take denmark for example, everyone is rich here, compaired to other countries around the world.. and we pay 38-42% in tax, some much more but in general
2019-04-21 10:30
people in Denmark are not rich at all. In fact those who make good money usually move out of there. The ones that stay have special arrangements so they don`t pay these taxes. Like bussines owners who keep their money in the company to avoid the high taxation and live with less. Rich people prefer to live in countries like Switzerland, Luxembourg etc where they pay very low taxes. Many don`t live in their home countries more than 6 months a year to avoid paying the income taxes. Happens across denmark, germany, uk, france.
2019-04-22 16:35
Walhabi i want to punch you in the face - you deserve it
2019-04-22 17:44
truth hurts sometimes
2019-04-22 22:16
Don't waste your Time with him.
2019-04-24 17:22
#180
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United Kingdom IgglePiggle 
you arent forced to pay them, the choice is work and pay a percentage to the government if you earn over the threshold, or work a low wage job or dont work at all and be poor. You may see this as theft, but the alternative would be what, dont pay them and expect the world to run for free? Surely that would also be theft as you would be taking something others had paid for. A lot of the public services are paid for by these taxes, and though you may have to pay a bit for the service, they are subsidised as a result of the taxes. I dont know what its like in your country but at least here our taxes pay for things like healthcare and the school system, the police force fire department etc etc.
2019-04-22 15:04
and free council house for illegal immigrants lets not forget
2019-04-22 16:36
#209
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United Kingdom IgglePiggle 
thats not how it works, and thats not what income tax pays for. thats council tax which has nothing to do with how much you earn, its a predetermined amount based on the value of your home. and also just to add, most immigrants dont get free council houses, they aren't even council houses, a majority are privately owned and the council pays the rent to the landlord, who still pays council tax.
2019-04-22 16:49
#78
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El Salvador SenorFakeflag 
Wtf is an intellectual doing on hltv?
2019-04-21 03:07
#148
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Ethiopia thiccboiww 
I love how people forget that roads, fire departments, literally all infrastructure is paid with taxes, not just school and healthcare. Nice argument, bum.
2019-04-22 14:05
its edgy to say stupid things nowadays
2019-04-22 15:06
#210
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United Kingdom IgglePiggle 
in the UK at least, income tax pays for most national services, local services are paid for with council tax and roads are road tax. I know these are also taxes, but most people here seem to be talking about income tax which is the only tax that comes directly from your wages and the only tax you are 'forced' to pay
2019-04-22 17:12
#8
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Austria raicoon1337 
7/8 +forced investment = 8/8
2019-04-20 19:00
Taxes are forceful extortion, just try not paying them. No investment, there is nothing voluntary about it and only a small portion will ever help you in any way.
2019-04-20 20:21
#97
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United Kingdom XNL 
Well here in the UK most people will pay 20% (very reasonable) and some notible benefits are free healthcare, free eduction up until college (univeristy has a weird system in the UK), social housing, welfare - the list goes on.
2019-04-21 10:27
40-45% and then you have to pay healthcare for your workers, insurances if you do mistake. You end with 55% giving to the government. For every 1000£ you get 450£ working 24/7 with a back pain so people can get free house and money to buy drugs and dance and upload pics to Instagram. This is why there is no jobs, better sit and claim benefits than creating business. If this does not make your blood boil. What can?
2019-04-22 15:06
#181
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United Kingdom XNL 
You're an idiot.
2019-04-22 15:05
This will not last forever and civil war and end of civilization will happen soon. Days of Hitler and Stalin are around the corner. A New World Communist Order will begin. And you will be slave. They will tell you what to eat, when to sleep, when to work and even to to piss. You ask for daddy government, you get it. They will put a chip on your right hand and you will not be able to buy or sell without it.
2019-04-22 15:12
#226
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United Kingdom XNL 
Lol, you've been watching too many films mate. Get a grip.
2019-04-22 22:27
#184
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United Kingdom IgglePiggle 
so lets all stop paying and get it all for free right? oh wait we cant because all those things our taxes pay for aren't there anymore because no one pays for them taxes are a necessary evil in todays society, but there will always be freeloaders trying to get something for nothing
2019-04-22 15:07
+1
2019-04-23 07:38
An investment is voluntary...
2019-04-22 22:58
#257
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Denmark MeToxi 
That is true if the government is corrupt.
2019-04-23 08:22
#6
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Denmark Xipingu 
#gg #wtf
2019-04-20 18:59
#9
broky | 
Latvia tragttutS 
If only they would do useful stuff with tax money. But no they buy ahmed a new iPhone X, create genderless public bathrooms,build shitty airpots that arent done in 50 years or push article 13 in EU parliament
2019-04-20 19:02
#45
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Canada NELK 
Wtf since when is AirPods tax money
2019-04-20 19:24
#98
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United Kingdom XNL 
He meant airports.
2019-04-21 10:27
halt die fresse du hurensohn
2019-04-22 13:54
"buy ahmed a new iPhone X" LMAO retard
2019-04-22 23:35
#14
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Germany Shadyy89 
Without taxes you would all drive a Mercedes, but have to go through mudroads.
2019-04-20 19:03
#18
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Ya, because only the government, the most useless incompetent organization in history, is able to build roads.
2019-04-20 19:05
#38
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Albania PSDunken 
I get what you're saying but this kind of system has 0 tolerance for the poor/ low class
2019-04-20 19:21
#40
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Why?
2019-04-20 19:22
#44
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Albania PSDunken 
I mean if there wasn't taxes why would there be minimum wage?
2019-04-20 19:24
#46
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Cause they're not related. And minimum wage is not a good thing.
2019-04-20 19:25
#50
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Albania PSDunken 
Hell i'm only 17 but how isn't it a good thing? It's impossible to live under less.
2019-04-20 19:27
#53
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Because we have the impression that without minimum wage all the bosses would "explore" everyone, but that's not true. Jobs follow the supply/demand rules, which wouldn't make it possible for many reasons.
2019-04-20 19:31
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North America Jkhes 
Look up the golden age in the US. People definitely would be exploited. And the reason taxes exist is the same reason government does. The government didn't just create itself it has power because people agree it's better to live in a society than in disconnected tribes, and total anarchy. By living in your nation you're agreeing to pay taxes.
2019-04-21 03:08
+1
2019-04-22 16:34
its funny how naive you are
2019-04-22 15:08
If you take the time to make yourself valuable, you will never be near minimum wage anyways. It just makes it so lower end jobs have to cut corners or get replaced because it isn't sustainable to hire people.
2019-04-20 20:23
#102
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United Kingdom XNL 
That's not true, most employees would be exploited. #79
2019-04-21 10:30
So you think someone else would just build roads for free? Rich people would build them and charge you for every km you drive ;D
2019-04-21 19:54
#123
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
No. I don't think that.
2019-04-21 20:53
There are already plenty of private roads on this planet where everyone drives wonderfully. You pay a few pennies at the toll box and most of the revenue will be reinvested directly. If the roads are poorly maintained, no one uses them and the payment stays out. In Germany the toll is coming, although the roads were already financed by taxes. The roads and bridges in Germany are bad, because the taxes are misappropriated and if someone complains about the bad roads, then "it was always the other party".
2019-04-22 23:08
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_i.. okay :D Very succesfull. Currently thre arent many private roads in germany at all at most are free to use. Cause people just use a different road if they can do that. This guy tries to make Crowder-like arguement, while it has been debunked alot of times already. If taxation is theft, enforcing any kind of law or right would be forced upon. If you dont want to live by the law you are free to leave, you cant just live somewhere and then claim to be above the love because taxation is theft you can are free to do whatever you want. Its an absurd arguement anyways.
2019-04-22 23:15
"many private roads on this planet" that I've driven on myself. I was even in whole private cities. I don't know what a crowder-like argument is or what has been allegedly debunked, but maybe you should come out of your basement.
2019-04-22 23:31
Crowder is the one wehre OP took his title from. "taxation is theft - change my mind" And he uses the same arguements that have been debunked. Im not saying privete roads dont work at all, I mean they are roads, but it should be clear to everyone that non-private roads are better of. at elast we can vote to get people that care for roads or not. If all roads where private, you would have to each every owner of every road you use.
2019-04-23 00:23
Thank you for the explaining about Crowder. No, we cannot agree on that. The free market and competition are always superior to the government's offer. If you don't understand it now because the economic laws of nature don't tell you anything, at least go out into the world and look at it. Visit private cities (Lavasa is beautiful btw.), big gated communities, countries with little government intervention, etc. Talk to people who work for 5 $/hr and doing way better than germans with minimum wage.
2019-04-23 01:00
Paying taxes? Omegalul Go into real estate investing
2019-04-20 19:05
#19
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Germany AP)) 
Not working for minimum wage is stealing your bosses money. And he should hire one who does it for less. Capitalism101
2019-04-20 19:06
#24
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
WutFace
2019-04-20 19:10
#56
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Europe b8police 
This is exactly what you're saying btw.
2019-04-20 19:37
#104
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United Kingdom XNL 
He has no idea. LeTs sTarT A tHrEad aBoUT tAx.
2019-04-21 10:33
+1
2019-04-22 16:21
#20
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Denmark slacking 
Lol the Steven Crowder sheep fanboy strikes again
2019-04-20 19:07
Mises, De Tocqueville, Rothbard, Hoppe, Popper, Weber ect.? Ever heard of?
2019-04-22 23:11
imagine arguing against this. and leftists say they aren't brainwashed :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2019-04-20 19:08
#47
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Albania PSDunken 
But you are leftist
2019-04-20 19:25
#you're a racist, hypocrite, white devil. just like all your people. and when we go to war you'll all pay.# That's from him. Yep. Lower in the thread he pretends he paid 1000£ in taxes, and that it's theft. He is just a chinese drone doing his job and spreading dissent.
2019-04-24 17:32
#287
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Albania PSDunken 
I thought you can only edit posts not delete? And thx i like to piss his nazi ass off
2019-04-24 17:32
I reported his racist troll ass and johnatan paid him a visit i see.
2019-04-24 17:47
#291
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Albania PSDunken 
Thank u for your service rare decent HLTV user.
2019-04-24 17:48
#29
FalleN | 
Brazil drluc4s 
well you are actually right
2019-04-20 19:13
Hospitals, police, army, schools, roads are theft for example
2019-04-20 19:16
#105
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United Kingdom XNL 
+1
2019-04-21 10:34
"BuT a FrEe MaRkEt WoUlD dO iT bEtTeR!!!!!"
2019-04-22 17:27
#32
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Czech Republic potruss 
No taxes = no education, no roads, no buses and trains (if your state takes care of those), most of culture things are paid from your taxes etc. How is this a theft?
2019-04-20 19:17
#37
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Brazil Karl_Tanner 
Where does it say that only the government can provide all this? And how does that make threatening to beat, arrest or kill people not theft?
2019-04-20 19:19
+1 It may be used to do SOME good stuff, but it is still forced extortion. Not much different than a thug taking your money at gunpoint because he will "donate it to charity"
2019-04-20 20:25
Not much different than a thug taking your money for staying in his home.
2019-04-21 10:23
More like taking 4x what is necessary under the pretense of "living expenses"
2019-04-21 19:38
no.
2019-04-22 01:00
What about the people who don't take benefit from any of those things?
2019-04-20 19:25
you dont take benefit from roads? you dont take benefit from street lights etc? what DO you take benefit from?
2019-04-21 10:22
#76
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Ecuador PartisanGrill 
1.- No education You need the Bible for wisdom and then just buy any book you want to learn. 2.- No roads Off road cars. Development of better off-road cars. uncrate.com/assets_c/2017/01/rain-prisk-.. 3.- No buses or trains This are business opportunities, private sector.
2019-04-21 02:59
bible?? you know jesus supported taxes yeah?
2019-04-21 03:15
#87
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Ecuador PartisanGrill 
No he did not. Taxes were used to steal land from tribes by Rome. Jesus would have no part in stealing people’s property and calling it taxation.
2019-04-21 03:40
give to ceaser what is ceaser's never heard of that?
2019-04-21 03:41
He was asked a trick question. Pay taxes ok? No = detained by Roman police Yes = lost his followers It follows. -Who is in the coins? -That is Cesar -Give to Cesar what is of Cesar and to God what is to God. He leaves and the tricksters are confused, not getting a Yes or No answer.
2019-04-22 12:54
since when did jesus care about what the romans thought
2019-04-23 15:42
I recall the church had a big tax
2019-04-22 22:31
0/8
2019-04-21 10:23
Religion? Rly? Cmon, noone really belives that they do it bcs they were told from child. No roads? Off road cars? How would you get through rivers? Or how do you want to travel long distances? 50km/h? Private companies owning busses/trains? Yea, people without cars will be happy to pay 10€ every day just to get to work ;)
2019-04-21 18:52
Not talking about religion. I said Bible, the foundation of Western civilization. All ancient stories that has shaped our mind in a book. You talk like if people is evil accumulating money for the sake of it and will not build infrastructure for his community. People in the past just get together and build if something need to be done. Supply and demand, prices will go low or they have no business.
2019-04-22 13:02
lick those boots like a good proletariat
2019-04-20 19:27
#227
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United States jcv999 
Expected from commie finland
2019-04-22 22:29
if not licking boots makes me a commie then so be it
2019-04-22 22:43
#52
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
Why do you think we live in a society? Because people tried the alternative and it's not cool for 99% of the population. You get randomly murdered and robbed out of the blue because there is no police or army or anyone else to answer to. Without taxes there would be no government and it would all devolve into anarchy, You might think anarchy is cool while being a keyboard warrior, but in actuality it is not. You live in constant fear of everyone.
2019-04-20 19:29
#74
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Ecuador PartisanGrill 
Better to live in fear than in depression. People have no purpose in life anymore.
2019-04-21 02:53
#89
ceh9 | 
World mukas17 
That has nothing to do with taxation.
2019-04-21 10:19
LMAO what the fuck are you on, dude? get help
2019-04-21 10:25
Stupido level: over 9000
2019-04-23 08:05
Without taxes there are no police or courts to uphold the law Without police or fear of punishment I can take your shit and kill your dog
2019-04-20 19:33
there would be no need for law if we didnt had taxes cuz most would be millionaire in 30-40 years.
2019-04-21 10:43
Your whole society is run by laws. How would you make money if you're employers aren't forced by law to give you a paycheck after a month of work? They could simply say they're not going to. Your bank could just block your account for no reason whatsoever and take your money just because there are no laws stopping them from doing that. Who is there to even regulate money if there are no laws covering that? Without the law there would be no one stopping someone from stealing from you, from killing your loved ones, from destroying anything and everything - it would be anarchy. Everyone gets fucked over.
2019-04-21 10:53
no law means u can just print this useless paper they print for basically free also for free, and everyone would have limitless but this is not what the elite want, they want more and more and more.
2019-04-21 19:38
You're delusional
2019-04-21 19:57
This is probably the stupidest thing I've read on hltv.
2019-04-23 08:03
well its the reality, just look up the documentary of how money is made. the only thing that cost's from producing money is the copyright on it.
2019-04-24 15:47
without law no1 would even provide u with internet, let alone make sure you're not killed, good luck living without laws hope it works out for u
2019-04-26 21:45
#113
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United Kingdom XNL 
Yeah because money stops crime, that's exactly how that works.
2019-04-21 11:49
#55
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Brazil Mentecapto 
Why is it theft though
2019-04-20 19:35
#57
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
He is either trolling or stupid/blind enough to see how much he benefits from it
2019-04-20 20:17
#58
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Brazil Mentecapto 
yea probably
2019-04-20 20:18
If you don't pay taxes they'll take even more from you, if you say no they will arrest you, if you resist they will kill you.
2019-04-20 20:23
#63
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Brazil Mentecapto 
okay baby
2019-04-20 20:24
and? how is it theft? you're a parasite in their home
2019-04-21 10:25
#152
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Tunisia Yuri_Tarded 
They're offering you a bunch of services that you obviously can't live without and in return you pay taxes, sounds like a good deal to me.
2019-04-22 14:17
But why these "services" needs to be obligatorily offered by the state? Why i'm not free to make a deal with someone to get the service?
2019-04-23 00:45
My guess is because if the government does not regulate these "services", then they could be abused.
2019-04-23 07:47
#59
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India Noobdian1 
That hltv user from Hong Kong? Btw it is theft mens
2019-04-20 20:20
#65
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Japan hirohito 
ofc they are the taxes in rome were 1-3% the Bible teaches us about the tithe may I remind you, that the slaves could take 10% of the money earned for themselves. currently, in poland for example, government takes approx. 85% (of a full tax, not counting the reliefs and cheating) of your money (which is going to grow because of the communist program named 500+), but, as a slave, you had food, place to live etc. remove everything from the government but the police, administration and the army and remove all taxes but the excise and the lowest vat possible
2019-04-20 20:28
thats why i work for the government 😎😎
2019-04-20 20:32
#70
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Brazil Teteu 
Facts
2019-04-20 20:32
#72
Other beeg 
Taxation is theft, only if you’re living in a low tier country. Otherwise, you get almost what you give. (Hospitals, Schools, Roads, etc...)
2019-04-20 20:40
#82
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Brazil Mentecapto 
This guy just nailed it
2019-04-21 03:15
#75
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United States Zytoep 
Taxation is not theft, because citizens have agreed to pay taxes. This is part of the “social contract,” which is a kind of agreement between citizens and the government, whereby the citizens agree to pay taxes and obey the laws, in return for the government's protection.
2019-04-21 02:56
one of the stupidest things i've read today
2019-04-21 03:11
#84
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United States Zytoep 
one of the stupidest things i've read today
2019-04-21 03:17
ANY LAWS AT ALL ARE AUTHORITARIAN AND LITERALLY HITLER GOVERNEMENT WILL KILL YOU FOR BREAKING LAWS WTF WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
2019-04-21 03:20
I dont sign any contract of paying taxes. It is forced by government.
2019-04-23 11:19
Govt spending is good for the economy. Change my mind Ask Keynes
2019-04-21 03:14
+1 the good old keynesian golden age
2019-04-21 03:19
+1
2019-04-22 13:50
lul
2019-04-23 15:44
Govt spending is good for the economy. Change my mind Ask Keynes
2019-04-21 10:19
Karl_Tanner is the most predictable baiter on this site change my mind
2019-04-21 10:21
So who's going to take care of roads, law and border security? Or you mean taxes should be voluntary donations or something similar?
2019-04-21 10:29
the problem is this i not what tax money goes at. half of it goes to military and the rest will go back to banks for the loans they took to build roads , schools :D its even a UN/NATO agreement that till 2024 military tax will have to be increased by 20%. so taxes will go higher. enjoy boy.
2019-04-21 10:41
My nation is not a part of NATO, so we don't have to suck Americas dick, and we don't have to pay for other peoples military, win win for Sweden.
2019-04-22 14:13
haha bruh u swedes suck a big big giants dick towards this lobby's
2019-04-22 14:34
Can you translate into English? Thanks in advance.
2019-04-22 16:29
#103
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United States jcv999 
+1 someone speaks the truth. Even if they are a favela
2019-04-21 10:33
i would pay 50% of my taxes but for the 50% they put into military and surveilance i dont need that shit but i cant do that cuz then they will still arrest me cuz this is slavery.
2019-04-21 10:45
#115
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United Kingdom Dedner_xD 
Sounds like some1 too poor to pay taxes in the first place.
2019-04-21 18:56
in 3rd world like brazil, yes.
2019-04-21 19:41
#120
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Ukraine ksay 
u are a product of society (u are basically nothing without it) and u will contribute to sustain it deal with it
2019-04-21 19:50
#127
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Finland MeeTaZ 
u live in brazil, u dont even know what taxes are, if u check tax rates from nordic countries, then u can say that taxation is teft.
2019-04-22 13:09
#129
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
From a certain point of view, sure.
2019-04-22 13:14
If you think tax is theft you are either: A) a child B) someone who doesn't understand how taxes work C) a retard D) all of the above
2019-04-22 13:14
#132
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Brazil Collee 
flag checks
2019-04-22 13:17
#175
TACO | 
Brazil Dornas13 
E) someone who has ethic's and dont like to have their freedom violated
2019-04-22 14:56
ever heard of economy? study it ... on the first day you shall know why u need taxes.
2019-04-23 08:10
#274
TACO | 
Brazil Dornas13 
Hey man, i will ask you to stop using fallacies to atack me and not my argument "study it" is not an argument! And BTW, i have a degree in economics!
2019-04-23 19:01
then use your brain for once.. u can do it... I also doubt you have such degree... or your thread is a bait
2019-04-24 06:56
#279
TACO | 
Brazil Dornas13 
until now, you didnt said why my argument is wrong, i'll keep giving you the chance to stop atacking me and atack what i said, if you are capable of such thing, of course
2019-04-24 13:38
#131
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Finland Jodecast 
Why would something be theft is you/and the surrounding benefit greatly from it?
2019-04-22 13:16
#133
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Europe loonek4 
Taxation is basically value in money form that is taken by a government to pay for state projects or social services, so I wouldn't necessarily call it theft. Of course, it comes into question what those state projects or social services are and if they actually benefit the people. It can be theft under capitalism if that value doesn't go back to the people.
2019-04-22 13:18
Nonono, taxation is plundering
2019-04-22 13:25
Well, let's suppose taxation doesn't exist anymore, but private property would keep on existing, right? So then no matter where you go you would still be one someone else’s private property and therefore subject to their rules, wouldn't you? You would still be forced to follow someone's rules without your consent.
2019-04-22 13:40
With your consent*
2019-04-22 14:00
Ok let's suppose we stop collecting taxes and everything government provides would be privatized. What a horrible world that would be.
2019-04-22 13:44
#153
hyde | 
United Kingdom 0outof8 
+1
2019-04-22 14:19
The argument of free education is stupid. They force your children to learn nonsense and fake history. Help groups fighting for the education of his children by signing the petition below. change.org/p/500-000-students-vs-state-e..
2019-04-22 14:03
#156
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Germany Benjir_V1 
AnCap 😎😎😎
2019-04-22 14:22
#163
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United Kingdom DreadN0ught 
Just because you happened to fall out of the right vagina at the right time means that you can have a socioeconomic or biological advantage. It can be luck whether or not you have a crippling illness. it isn't unreasonable to expect those with the best hands to give a few to those with worst.
2019-04-22 14:30
#170
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Brazil GoldZera 
only if ur from united states
2019-04-22 14:44
#191
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Brazil ferst 
Particular property is theft
2019-04-22 15:13
omegalul
2019-04-22 18:00
Americans saying +1 was so predictable LUL
2019-04-22 15:14
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration. At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school. After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department. I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on HLTV about how TAXATION is THEFT because the government can’t do anything right.
2019-04-22 15:22
#199
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Luxembourg fowkingell 
+1
2019-04-22 16:22
IDK why, but this shit is funny to me.
2019-04-22 16:30
#216
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Canada top_zozzle 
lmao this is so well written
2019-04-22 17:35
#223
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Brazil Mentecapto 
This topic may be closed now, Thanks for this Mr.Jeza
2019-04-22 18:00
lmao you win
2019-04-23 18:28
Taxation is the price we pay for a civilized society. But, if you're really Brazilian, you're right. Your protectionist policies really affect your capacity to buy imported goods. Let's see if Economics' Minister Paulo Guedes is able to unlock the economy and to promote the liberalization of the markets (oil is a good example).
2019-04-22 16:22
Ugh, FINALLY someone said it. Your first sentence was what I was looking for.
2019-04-22 17:31
#214
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United States [BluE] 
correct but irrelevant
2019-04-22 17:32
#231
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Sweden Bakkmann 
nt trik Without taxes, there would be nothing to take care of anything. Work forms that wouldnt be profitable for private run would not exist, like schools, they are so ludicrously expensive, and people would stop getting educated and so on
2019-04-22 22:49
You're a dumbass taxes can only exist as a result of the anything. They're a parasite of the state, the self serving officials who pick your pockets to spend it to enrich their own intrests in polictal influence and power. Taxes aren't used to build good infastructure in modern democracy they're used for defecit spending to fund projects that appeal electors. Debt that the next generation will pay. You will pay for your education in excess through enforced tax. You're idea is sheepish and poorly constructed retort to the basic reality that in all essence of the word taxation is theft
2019-04-22 22:56
#239
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Sweden Bakkmann 
I thought they banned trik, but i guess not. Taxes work fine, ty
2019-04-22 23:26
Who the fuck is trick?
2019-04-23 04:09
#247
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Sweden Bakkmann 
This only confirmed by suspicions, a famous political person on hltv
2019-04-23 07:23
So he is famous despite not being able to type properly and construct appealing sentences. Let's not even dwell on his "arguments". I would pay to see a kid like this get owned on a proper political forum.
2019-04-24 17:40
I'm not against taxes. I'm against the way it's distributed.
2019-04-22 22:52
#236
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Brazil Seleskva 
it's indeed
2019-04-22 23:09
Taxes should be raised for defense, education, police, Justice and health care only.
2019-04-23 07:30
Not paying taxes and still using services provided by tax money is theft. Change my mind.
2019-04-23 07:33
#270
Jesus | 
United States BLNDSPT 
YES MORE THREADS THAT GIVE A """HOT""" TAKE WITH THE CAPTION "CHANGE MY MIND" WITH NO ARGUMENT AS TO WHY SAID TAKE IS BELIEVED YES MORE OF THESE 10 IQ THREADS PLEASE
2019-04-23 16:13
Gotta be as vague as possible so people with a brain waste their time. It's the New trend for retards unhappy with their limitations.
2019-04-24 17:35
True, taxes go to cia and terror agendas
2019-04-24 06:58
Just paid almost £1k in tax from my last paycheck. And u think its not theft. 😕
2019-04-24 16:36
You are chinese i highly doubt you would pay any £ in taxes. Especially After you Said this : "you're a racist, hypocrite, white devil. just like all your people. and when we go to war you'll all pay." Must be hard working with white english people for you. Check the last visiter of your main account. Troll spreading dissent.
2019-04-24 17:04
Grow up?
2019-04-24 17:31
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