first of all i never said that device is bad player individually or something similar. i just said that there are players that mechanically are better than him - guy above our comments said who exactly, i dont agree with everyone, but most of them yes. then you come up with positions in top20 best players, and i say, that he gets there, because its mostly about mvps/evps/won tournaments. you want it or not, how many and which one (majors or just basic cups) you won really matters, same in football, just because you shoot 30 goals per season (idk, mo salah) it doesnt mean that you are better than messi or ronaldo which got more trophies. and he gets that high position in top20 because he is (besides fact he is very good player) winning trophies, winning mvps because usually mvp of a tournament becomes a winner of this trophy, not someone else. then, because astralis is winning most of the trophies, the best player gets that, but its not only his work, its whole team work to win, for example in navi s1mple isnt alone, but he doesnt have that good teammates as device has, but still managed to get for example better ratings on lan.