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device < NiKo
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Denmark sexGOAT_69 
Or device > NiKo? What do you think? Personally I think NiKo is better individually but device is better as a team player.
2019-04-21 16:18
#1
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Denmark no1cares 
Niko > device
2019-04-21 16:18
+1
2019-04-21 17:17
+1, he have lots of highlights, device not
2019-04-21 17:30
#71
yxo | 
Kyrgyzstan NeaRipS 
if u not fakeflaging u deserved a HUGE RESPECT
2019-04-21 19:24
Danish aren't usually dick about Astralis, those who are, are the fake fake flaggers
2019-04-21 20:31
i think twistzz s1mple niko autimatic naf sergej magisk electronic and many more > device
2019-04-21 16:19
0/8
2019-04-21 16:22
why 0/8
2019-04-21 16:24
because your post is retarded. thats why...only s1mple and niko could be considered as better players but the rest? just LMAO
2019-04-21 16:25
i respect your opinion please respect mine i think that device is not as good player as people think he is
2019-04-21 17:08
#19
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Argentina 3comas 
+1
2019-04-21 17:10
this is not about opinions but about facts. device is better statwise, has more achievments, more individual awards and top5 like 4 years in a row. how on earth can you even try to compare him with players that hadnt as high peak as device, players that are nowhere near device in term of consistency and they are also worse statwise? this is just blind fanboyism and nothing more
2019-04-21 17:13
achievements omegalul nice excuse dumbfuck
2019-04-21 17:16
retard alert...you cant even read whole post lmao
2019-04-21 17:16
yea some learned shits about "consistency" and this trash omegalul NA arguments right there
2019-04-21 17:17
will not waste more my time with obvious hater. bye
2019-04-21 17:18
because you have no arguments left haha
2019-04-21 17:18
expected
2019-04-21 17:19
only 2 arguments for blind fucks "consistency" (LUL) and trophies when he got carried
2019-04-21 17:18
something else?
2019-04-21 17:18
because other players dont have that good team that helps you in winning all of these achievements. if we would talk about individal level/mechanical skill these players are better/similar to device
2019-04-21 17:26
and how is possible that device was top5 4 years in a row? even without the best team, the best igl, the great teamplay and tactics? achievments were only 1 argument. his individual level was always very high. higher and more consistent than any player that he mentioned(again, only except s1mple and niko)
2019-04-21 17:31
because astralis is perfectly combined, every player understand with each other and they are top1 for over a year, while astralis core plays together for many years give me another player that has good team behind him? u won't find any maybe only liquid but they are new compared to astralis i never said that his individual level isnt high, basically if you would 1v1 each player i bet that he would lost to most of the players from #2 (mechanical skill, not teamplay)
2019-04-21 19:12
"and how is possible that device was top5 4 years in a row? even without the best team" "because astralis is perfectly combined, every player understand with each other and they are top1 for over a year" ... DUDE
2019-04-21 19:19
because he wouldnt be here (top5 4 years) without best team, how can i argue with that, its a fact
2019-04-21 19:20
"and how is possible that device was top5 4 years in a row? even without the best team" you want to tell me that astralis is top1 team 4 years:D? you CANT BE SERIOUS ROFL
2019-04-21 19:21
no but i can tell you that astralis is from 2016, before it was question mark team, team solo mid and diginitas all of these 3 teams had xyp9x, dupreeh, cajunb and karrigan, so they knew each other exactly for 2014-2019 (xyp9x, dupreeh, device, changed only magisk, before perfect igl karrigan for another perfect igl gla1ve) from 2015 they were always top5 team, always attending the most important tournaments, so 2015-2019 solid top5 ALL TIME, now for over a year top1, the longest one in the cs history. the only time that they popped out of top5 for a while was when kjaerbye joined. it was few months only tho all of these achievements were made with great crew behind him (great igl, core xyp9x (clutch king) and dupreeh) so they were helping device to shine. device was in 2015 #20th best player, so this was time where team diginitas stared playing in finals of best leagues/cups/tournaments every year this danish squad was getting better and better, and so individual level of device, but as well individual level of other teammates, so device started placing in top5 (same as the team).
2019-04-21 19:35
placing was ALWAYS based also on teams performance...kennys in 2014 is great example. ofc that you need to good team and achievments to be in top20. dev1ce was ALWAYS the best player in his team since beginning. he was already good in cph wolves in his first year of cs - 2013(1.14 lan rating), second year he was already in top 20(1.10 lan rating) and third his year already in top5. how on earth can you claim that he needs top team to perform while facts clearly say that its bullcrap? by this logic s1mple is even worse than device...2014 as first year - 1.11 rating, 2015 still out of top20(device already was there and in top5), 2016 top4 while dev1ce top3. its still team game. statement that device is good only bcs of his team is utterly retarded and false. he was always great player individually and always carried his teams since beginning
2019-04-21 19:49
first of all i never said that device is bad player individually or something similar. i just said that there are players that mechanically are better than him - guy above our comments said who exactly, i dont agree with everyone, but most of them yes. then you come up with positions in top20 best players, and i say, that he gets there, because its mostly about mvps/evps/won tournaments. you want it or not, how many and which one (majors or just basic cups) you won really matters, same in football, just because you shoot 30 goals per season (idk, mo salah) it doesnt mean that you are better than messi or ronaldo which got more trophies. and he gets that high position in top20 because he is (besides fact he is very good player) winning trophies, winning mvps because usually mvp of a tournament becomes a winner of this trophy, not someone else. then, because astralis is winning most of the trophies, the best player gets that, but its not only his work, its whole team work to win, for example in navi s1mple isnt alone, but he doesnt have that good teammates as device has, but still managed to get for example better ratings on lan.
2019-04-21 20:47
So twistzz does not have good players? LMAO
2019-04-21 17:33
lol he typed 8 players and added "more", im talking overall, not about specific player
2019-04-21 19:08
#86
Xyp9x | 
Turkey Orgrim 
Except 2018 device didnt manage to win lots of trophies, but managed to be in top 5 like 4 years. So mb we should stop saying he has best igl, best coach bla bla. Ofc he has the best team atm, but in dignitas and tsm days the team was like top 10 team not a top team just like now but beside his team he was top 5 player.
2019-04-21 21:22
#27
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Poland wiktorex 
not considered lul that's fact haha what happend when magisk, dupreeh and xyp9x didnt carry? 0.94 rating happend
2019-04-21 17:14
few games...happens to anyone. where was your beloved goat s1mple in major final? yea right...bottomfragging.
2019-04-21 17:15
yeah sergej lol but magisk, niko, NAF s1mple for sure are better!
2019-04-21 17:17
magisk is debatable this year, naf not...and i said niko and s1mple myself that they are
2019-04-21 17:19
every1 better than ecovice carriedvice
2019-04-21 17:19
me too xaxaxaxa
2019-04-21 17:20
yes my brother
2019-04-21 17:20
Expected from retarded no scene slovakia
2019-04-21 17:34
Reported
2019-04-21 18:19
Hhahahaaha
2019-04-21 19:32
#47
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Denmark sexGOAT_69 
Individually I would say Magisk > device and NAF = device
2019-04-21 17:22
twistszz has probably one of the sickest mechnical aim in the game next to niko and s1mple so i would say that his skill ceiling is way higher than device.
2019-04-21 23:38
I couldn't care less about some hypotetical thing like skill ceiling which you can't objectively compare in any way... Performance of device >>>>>> performance of twistzz. This is just fact
2019-04-22 10:20
NiKo >>>>>>> device he is obviously better skillwise + he is left to lead his team
2019-04-21 16:19
As a team player DEVICE > NIKO As a solo player NIKO > DEVICE OVERALL NIKO > DEVICE
2019-04-21 16:19
#5
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Denmark sexGOAT_69 
+1
2019-04-21 16:19
#6
autist | 
Japan Whiteger 
holding angles and get eco frags calling team work nowadays?
2019-04-21 16:20
yeah mens)
2019-04-21 16:20
#88
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Brazil dev2ce 
niko is better at holding angles nt tho
2019-04-21 23:33
#21
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
+1
2019-04-21 17:12
#56
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United States DervGuy 
+1
2019-04-21 17:36
#8
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Kyrgyzstan XS1Z3R 
NIKO>DEV1CE ak/m4 aug/ssg(lul) NIKO>DEV1CE deagle usp/glawck NIKO<DEV1CE awp NIKO>DEV1CE igl NIKO=DEV1CE team player NIKO>DEV1CE solo player (lul)
2019-04-21 16:22
+999....
2019-04-21 16:23
#22
NiKo | 
Brazil vChuck1 
Devve as an igl and team player would be better actually
2019-04-21 17:13
niko = device team player hahahahahahah good1
2019-04-21 17:42
#68
GuardiaN | 
Belgium ZxTox 
Talk to me back when device pop flashes for his teammates
2019-04-21 19:21
#77
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United States Jammin800k 
Talk to me when Faze actually learn tier 1 teamplay
2019-04-21 19:48
NiKo <3
2019-04-21 18:23
#9
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Vietnam comergod1 
As a dog owner: divice < niko As a boyfriend: divice>niko
2019-04-21 16:22
As a boyfriend both are pretty even
2019-04-21 16:33
#23
device | 
Sweden _Fire 
Did the dog taste good?
2019-04-21 17:13
#90
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Vietnam comergod1 
Delicious
2019-04-22 03:31
I think NiKo only fucks bitches and enjoys life and doesn't have a girlfriend
2019-04-21 17:13
Whatever, but Niko is better off rather than having a girlfriend like Emilia hult
2019-04-21 17:30
niko is a midget who would wonna fk him
2019-04-21 17:43
#74
NiKo | 
United Kingdom Wazerz 
wait how tall is he?
2019-04-21 19:34
175 cm
2019-04-21 19:45
#76
NiKo | 
United Kingdom Wazerz 
just around average height, course he'd look tiny with teammates like olof, rain and adren lol
2019-04-21 19:46
Don’t forget GuardiaN 168 cm men 😎)))
2019-04-21 19:54
#81
NiKo | 
United Kingdom Wazerz 
woah i hoped he was smaller, im only 173 oh god :(
2019-04-21 20:29
yea they would rather fuck with you than niko ^^
2019-04-21 20:56
#12
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Czech Republic Rewask 
Obvious question with only one right answer NiKo>device
2019-04-21 16:23
why ask such questions? everyone knows that niko is better
2019-04-21 16:42
#43
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Denmark sexGOAT_69 
A lot of danish people will tell you that device is better than NiKo
2019-04-21 17:19
Naaah
2019-04-21 17:37
They can tell you but everyone still.knows that NiKo is better
2019-04-21 23:21
#17
Xyp9x | 
Turkey Orgrim 
For me even gla1ve better than Niko. Better igl, better rifle and carrying in finals, always champion. I cant compare them because of one fluke Blast win.
2019-04-21 16:45
#20
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India Noobdian1 
Individually Forsaken>S1mple>Niko>Dev1ce
2019-04-21 17:11
0/8
2019-04-21 17:14
#63
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India Noobdian1 
Mad cuz no one from ur country better than forsaken
2019-04-21 18:55
#28
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Slovakia SamuelS 
But niko is also igl now and he still have the best stats. So ofc he is better.
2019-04-21 17:15
#39
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Denmark sexGOAT_69 
True
2019-04-21 17:18
#40
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Portugal RafaKimi 
Device seems more like a team player but since Niko is also In game leading for his team, l'd definitely say Niko is a more important piece than device
2019-04-21 17:18
+1, u read my exact thoughts about device and Niko comparison.
2019-04-21 17:29
#54
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Denmark dev111ce 
ofc niko is better individually but device 3 major 1 igs niko 0 major
2019-04-21 17:34
#60
shox | 
India iejesus 
ofcourse
2019-04-21 17:47
#70
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Europe Jimbo__Kern 
dupreeh > device for sure
2019-04-21 19:24
#78
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Russia TheWizzard 
+1
2019-04-21 19:49
everybody says same thing that device is better team player than s1mple, niko, cold etc.. But how can you be not a good team mate when you are playing in astralis? best igl, best coach, best anchor.. like everybody is good team player in astralis. In fact, in astralis, device is the closest player to being a baiter.
2019-04-21 20:53
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