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pronax > gla1ve
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Pronax is better as an IGL than gla1ve because: 1. didnt need a coach to come up with mastermind tactics while all Astralis tactics are created by zonic. 2. played in the most competitive era of cs:go 3. put all the other 4 players in the team to peak for a long time 4. played in GOAT team 5. played in the best roster of all time 6. pronax is not an ugly egghead with a smuggy face with a smirk Many reasons unnamed and feel free to add them since its a pretty obvious question ho is a better IGL and why.
2019-04-23 20:30
#1
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
+1 Fallen comes close with Zeus being at 3rd and gob b at 4th
2019-04-23 20:31
#17
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France Malo0o 
yes man gla1ve is nothing without zonic
2019-04-23 20:38
#18
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Lithuania verslininkas 
ZEUS XD
2019-04-23 20:39
#20
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Zeus is top3 IGL man, he made NaVi top2 in 2015-2016. He left - s0mple couldnt do shit. He returned - they became top2/top3 again.
2019-04-23 20:41
Interesting how you negate a lot of what gla1ve does by saying their coach makes all the tactics but you completely ignore that when Na'Vi was really good,their coach(starix) was the igl
2019-04-23 21:04
#55
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
yet starix as an IGL didnt win a major. While Zeus did.
2019-04-23 21:08
starix as an igl also made Na'Vi an actual top team not a one event team
2019-04-23 21:20
7. Yes but Xizt 1st and Pronax 2nd while AcilioN 3rd.
2019-04-23 22:02
hunden 1
2019-04-28 11:03
#42
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Sweden Zaser5 
gob b more like god b
2019-04-23 21:00
Points 2-5 are about Astralis or fnc?
2019-04-28 15:20
#2
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
yes but zonic > pronax
2019-04-23 20:31
#44
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Sweden Zaser5 
+1 zonic beast
2019-04-23 21:00
#99
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Bangladesh drvken 
qikert>zonic>glaive>zeus>pronax
2019-04-28 11:01
#3
s1mple | 
Lithuania PauliuSS 
now is the most competitive era of cs:go
2019-04-23 20:31
#19
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Europe Flashbong 
+1
2019-04-23 20:39
#23
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
hell nah
2019-04-23 20:48
Lol no
2019-04-23 20:52
#37
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Portugal baki_ 
no 2015 was
2019-04-23 20:58
#40
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Pakistan MeMeMeisteR2 
+1 , saying that as a fnatic fan. 2015 comes second
2019-04-23 20:59
#92
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Croatia mds818 
tbh I can disagree with plenty of reasons
2019-04-23 21:55
80 iq Boringstralis
2019-04-23 21:07
kids dont understand that every player developed over the last 3 years. and they also dont understand that just because astralis is dominating doesnt mean there is less competition, its just them being the by MILES best team to ever touch counter strike
2019-04-28 11:05
#141
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Sweden _Fire 
true
2019-05-04 14:12
+1
2019-04-28 13:14
#132
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
No
2019-05-02 20:12
+1
2019-04-23 20:32
#5
s1mple | 
Ukraine d3adLY 
Fallen is best igl
2019-04-23 20:32
#7
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
up to debate, but he is top2 for now. Can change it tho
2019-04-23 20:33
#89
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Ukraine d3adLY 
I mean of all time in csgo
2019-04-23 21:50
#140
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Brazil amagalhaes 
wish that was true, but BR cs nowadays is a little outdated, even MIBR players said that. i like to think that they have potential to reinvent themselves and again change the way cs is played, but it's not now, unfortunately.
2019-05-02 20:27
+1
2019-04-23 20:33
#8
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Brazil Cariocazera 
fox in Kinguin was the best IGL, cuz maikelele drops glocks for him
2019-04-23 20:33
#11
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Estonia moupz 
+1
2019-04-23 20:35
+1
2019-04-23 21:27
#9
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Estonia moupz 
glave > pronax because: astralis top1 pronax team tier50 gg
2019-04-23 20:34
#122
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Netherlands ChrisJsports 
nt ropz
2019-04-28 15:24
#10
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Denmark Torner123 
most competitive era lol
2019-04-23 20:35
strongest era in tier 1 was 2015. strongest era of the top 30 is now.
2019-04-23 20:36
#16
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Astralis bandwagoners will never get to that conclusion, mate. Dont waste your time
2019-04-23 20:37
Hahahaha mad FaZe fan
2019-04-23 20:50
holy shit belgium peanut brain at its finest, the CS scene have never had this big prize pools and this many tourneys ever before, the incentive have never been higher for the players and suddenly the scene is less competitive hahaha holy shit how delusional can u be
2019-04-23 20:54
#35
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
oh yeah, Astralis (TSM at that time) players probably told themselves: "Prize pools are shit and suck, lets be known for choking for the enxt couple years and when prize pools increase we hire all sports consultants, psychologists to win tournaments with higher prize pools". Another clueless dan getting rekt again. Do your homework, kid and enjoy a fluke era of cs:go
2019-04-23 20:57
fluke of era most dominant era of all time pick one u retarded belgium comparing TSM lineup with the current Astralis lineup LMFAO they changed 2 players one of them which were IGL + coach are u fking stupid
2019-04-23 21:00
#47
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
I didnt compare TSM lineup to recent lineup you braindead blind bandwagoner. Use google translate if you are unable basic sentences. I chose fluke era btw.
2019-04-23 21:02
You cant be this brain dead srsly? u were questioning why TSM didnt just win just like Astralis do now, i gave you the answer dipshit. "I chose fluke era" - nice english kid hahahahah lmfao
2019-04-23 21:04
#60
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Again, learn to read. Where did I compare their results, you retarded fangirl? Translate #35 in Google Translate to your slave language and then respond to me, bandwagoner. >fluke of cs era >nice english kid LUL
2019-04-23 21:12
your dogshit 3rd world english is hillarious, stick to speaking the language of pussies (french). where tf did i write anything about comparing results u degenerate - what is a no scener fagget like u even doing here?
2019-04-23 21:26
#74
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
"where tf did i write anything about comparing results" "why TSM didnt just win just like Astralis do" in #60 hypocrite dan
2019-04-23 21:28
"oh yeah, Astralis (TSM at that time) players probably told themselves: "Prize pools are shit and suck, lets be known for choking for the enxt couple years and when prize pools increase we hire all sports consultants, psychologists to win tournaments with higher prize pools". " retard alert, cant even spell dane
2019-04-23 21:31
#81
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
hypocrite dan at its finest losing his shit an staying mad af lmao
2019-04-23 21:33
dont use words u dont understand, stay triggered boy
2019-04-23 21:34
#85
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
you just cant understand basic english sentences. Considering how mad and insecure you are - this is no suprise lmao. Dan teaching someone how to properly speakiing English lol
2019-04-23 21:36
#96
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Denmark Torner123 
My friend. In 2015 there were only about 10 teams who actually to cs seriously. Now we have a scene of at least 30 teams. Its just because astralis is to good
2019-04-24 10:24
he doesnt understand, he is just a mad faze fanboy. mad that the most expensive team in csgo history cant be dominant.
2019-04-28 11:10
lmfao holy shit u have 3763 posts, most of them are triggered shit posts, why are u so mad, is ur life trash ??? again u had like 5 spelling errors in ur sentence, GG
2019-04-28 11:10
#108
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
«holy shit u have 3763 posts, most of them are triggered shit posts» The irony of this post lmao
2019-04-28 13:08
3780, you were busy shit posting 2day huh ? lmfao, stay triggered kid Faze = 0 majors, 0 IGS GG
2019-04-28 23:04
+1
2019-04-23 20:52
#15
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
flair checks out
2019-04-23 20:37
#12
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France funKKush182 
Was never good as Gla1ve in-terms of skill tho
2019-04-23 20:36
#57
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Liechtenstein mary69 
true +1 glaive is a fucking beast who's able to carry the entire team
2019-04-23 21:10
Nope man.. maybe in history of cs go but Imo when gla1ve won his third major now, in Katowice he become the Best IGL ;)
2019-04-23 20:36
#21
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United States Jammin800k 
God these baits are fucking boring
2019-04-23 20:45
#22
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
You just cant admit how superior pronax is over gla1ve
2019-04-23 20:47
#27
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United States Jammin800k 
Yawn
2019-04-23 20:52
Friberg is best igl
2019-04-23 20:51
+1 those triple fakes on inferno...
2019-04-23 20:52
#30
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Newfags which is Astralis bandwagoners have never witnessed that. They have no clue about what you are talking tho
2019-04-23 20:53
Yes but it’s like this every year when we have a new #1 ”SK era, best ever” ”FaZe destroyed CSGO (when they didn’t let a team get more than 9 rounds for two tournaments) ”Astralis much better than anyone ever” People always have recency bias
2019-04-23 20:56
#43
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
SK era was good. Just some fakeflaggers made a bad reputation for SK guys made them hate so much and dismiss every achievements any Brazilian team or player got. Faze was kinda meh. It lasted three months
2019-04-23 21:00
SK never had an era. They won 3 big events in 2016 (NiP with pyth won as many is 2016) and 5 in 2017, with like a 9 month break in between. That’s far from an era. They were the best team of 2016 and 2017, but no era.
2019-04-23 21:27
#31
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Czech Republic somedaysdead 
+1 will always respect pronax and its kinda sad this old scene will never come back
2019-04-23 20:53
#32
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Poland bakusiell 
CS level is much higher now
2019-04-23 20:54
Astralis are really good, but apart from them the T1-T2 scene is bad. Liquid, NaVi, FaZe mibr etc all have huge problems and still they maintain top 5 positions because every team bar Astralis is playing so bad. NiP are fucking atrocious to watch and they are still ranked #8. The T3 scene is much better than before though, every top 30 team can beat every other top 30 except maybe Astralis
2019-04-23 20:58
#45
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Poland bakusiell 
Liquid, Navi, Faze aren't playing bad bro.
2019-04-23 21:01
#48
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
they are. They are pretty trash for their rankings and inconsistent AF
2019-04-23 21:03
#53
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Poland bakusiell 
haha
2019-04-23 21:06
#58
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
"haha" TL at the start of the season defeated Astralis and then choked against ENCE on a major. NaVi is just inconsistent. Look at their results. They won Starseries but then got rekt in Miami and lost to G2 LUL Faze... wont even start here. They better find a lefitimate IGL.
2019-04-23 21:10
They most definitely are
2019-04-23 21:25
yeah pronax is insane, currently able to lead a #79 team and still bottom fragging in the tier 9999 ranks
2019-04-23 20:57
Because he is obviously bad now, it’s like shitting on gla1ve when he was playing in danish mixes
2019-04-23 20:59
he is as bad as he's always been, glaive on the other hand was top fragging for his teams before joining astralis, thats why they recruited him, nt
2019-04-23 21:01
Yeah okay nice bait
2019-04-23 21:24
#49
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
sorry that pronax doesnt have GOAT coach doing all the work on 7 maps while you can train your aim. nt dan
2019-04-23 21:04
#52
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Netherlands gelm1r 
pronax was only active and relevant in the worst period of CS GO with only scrubs playing ; envyus/titan/vp/fnatic and nip those teams are equivalent to tier 5 teams today
2019-04-23 21:06
+11111111
2019-04-23 21:09
#59
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
0/8 and retarded dan agrees with you making your post irrelevant just as this fluke cs era
2019-04-23 21:10
#63
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Netherlands gelm1r 
majority of the relevant players from the past like scrub_right were considered THE BEST while now he wouldn't even make the top 100 and that goes the same for VP and majority of the other players they all suck now or are irrelevant. Now people are actually aiming and training to become GOOD - not just some n0life kidd0's / adulto's who were addicted to playing video games during 2000-2005 era. Now you can make an entire career out of gaming. Nice try this era aint a fluke. The past CS was a fluke with just scrubs that were enjoying the game with maybe a few talented players.
2019-04-23 21:23
Holy shit you are delusional. GTR was top 1 4 times and top 2 2 times from 2009-2014, and somehow you think he was never good. Obviously he is bad now but that’s obviously because he is old and and far from his peak and on top of that he got Crohns disease. All players that were top players were good, but obviously peaks come and go (and in some cases age) but that doesn’t undo what you have already done.
2019-04-23 21:30
#80
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Netherlands gelm1r 
Yeah, that proves my point if there were more people willing to play CS GO like today he would have never been there in the first place.
2019-04-23 21:33
Nice logic, what about 1.6?
2019-04-23 21:53
#93
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Netherlands gelm1r 
Well that's another story 1.6 and source are both a closed chapter. Sure pronax might have been a decent igl during his era but not on the current playground. EDIT: i am by no means saying astralis era is GOAT (yet), all i am saying is all the top #30 of today's teams and maybe even further all have more potential compared to the early days of CSGO. So OP saying GOAT while the scene wasn't that well developed is delusional imo and saying its the most competitive era like wtf, there were at most 10 relevant teams.
2019-04-23 22:01
degenerate belgium actually believes that all top top teams from fnatic days suddenly turned bad magically at the same time hahaa holy shit how delusional can u be
2019-04-23 21:20
#67
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
delusional dan thinking all the teams that was good in 2015 suddenly became trash because they are scared of one of the ugliest looking esports team ever? You that retarded? There is another braindead above, "+1" his post to make it seem more relevant :)
2019-04-23 21:22
scared of them? ReTaRd AlErT - no they're trash because they constantly lose and never achieve anything relevant even when Astralis isnt in the tournaments trash teams like fnatic, NIP and G2 gets shit on. "one of the ugliest looking esports team ever" hahah sooo triggered holy shit, stay mad bitch boy
2019-04-23 21:29
#79
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Breathe mate. Seems like you got hella triggered. and the bullshit you write doesnt make sense.
2019-04-23 21:31
3763 posts hahahah 3763 posts, stay triggered kid
2019-04-28 11:11
This is the same retard that said that Astralis was finished after the smoke fix HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Just laugh at this pleb, don't even engage in an argument
2019-04-23 21:45
+1 no smoke glitch
2019-04-23 21:13
#62
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Canada fade4178 
I agree with everything except the era part. You act like gla1ve is a brand new player, yet he played in the exact same competitive era as pronax... but other than that +1
2019-04-23 21:17
#66
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Europe xSKYY 
+1 cuz of #6
2019-04-23 21:21
#68
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Stook 
+1
2019-04-23 21:23
+1 pronax > gla1ve no doubts
2019-04-23 21:30
#82
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Poland trancemeister 
for me gla1ve > pronax.
2019-04-23 21:34
(I don't have a strong opinion of the better igl just playing devil's advocate) gla1ve is igling later in csgo's life more strats have been developed and the game is more developed there is less new strats, him and zonic (no one knows how much the workload is spread between them) have been able to inivate new strats and completely change nade usage
2019-04-23 21:36
hltv.org/forums/threads/1980422/bug-expl.. >That’s how 2018 will be remembered after Asstralis fail to show their “dominance” at the major" >Astralis wins the major Another classic KevinGates10IQ thread
2019-04-23 21:49
yes
2019-04-23 21:50
pronax is bad igl, without flusha and jw he sucks. he was carried by fnatic. And currently he is teamless gyazo.com/99b577741b363c7163f00dbb070b52..
2019-04-23 21:55
0/8
2019-04-23 22:03
#98
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Flair checks out.
2019-04-28 10:58
Yes. Now cause now it is dead game era. Nobody >12yo watches, nobody cares.
2019-04-24 10:27
While your thread is obviously polemic and baity - after reading through the comments I have to admit that the points made by people in here are actually very good. While the scene overall is far more competitive now, it is true that t1 is insanely bad atm, bar Astralis ofc. Na'Vi, Liquid, FaZe have huge problems and are unable to fix them - teams like NiP who I can't watch for 3 rounds because they make 11 huge mistakes per round are fucking top8. It is also funny that literally all Astralis fanboys commenting here seem to have started following the cs scene in 2016 or even later. The t1 scene might be more professional, but it definitely isn't more competitive.
2019-04-28 11:12
"It is also funny that literally all Astralis fanboys commenting here seem to have started following the cs scene in 2016 or even later." - ur very obvious a jealous hater but do you rly think u can tell when ppl started following the cs scene based on when their hltv account was created, lmfao - the tier 1 scene is far more competitive because the top 6 teams today are all far better then the top1 team back then
2019-04-28 11:21
#109
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
“the top 6 teams today are all far better then the top1 team back then” Level of ignorance and delusion in this sentence is ridiculous. You haven’t even followed the scene back then tf you are talking about? Keep making excuses, triggered fangirl.
2019-04-28 13:11
i followed the scene for way longer than you triggered no scener, all the top 6 teams today would shit all over fnatic - in fact all of the top 6 teams are shitting all over fnatic LMFAO
2019-04-28 14:50
#118
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Yeah. That’s why they have won jack shit? Stop embarrassing yourself and fuck outta deluded fanboi with your braindead narrative salty dan.
2019-04-28 15:15
yeah i know fnatic have won jack shit since 5 years ago lmfao your such a little triggered fan girl hahaha stay completely irrelevant no scene belgium lmfao - holy shit u have 3778 posts lmfaooooo get a life loser
2019-04-28 15:17
The Danish Football League of 2019 is far more competitive than the FIFA World Cup 1978, because FC København from 2019 is far better than Argentina's football team from 1978. A little something to think about even a nationalist, irrational teen like you might understand. I won't comment on this anymore, but I felt obliged to be nice enough to spread a little wisdom to contain the ever present rise of wishful thinking.
2019-04-28 13:13
you seem to have ignored the first thing i wrote about following the CS scene - i guess you got owned ? Comparing a difference in an esport scene 5 years apart with the difference in the football scene 41 years apart sounds like a solid comparison to you? you seem to be very triggered calling me a nationalist and irrational teen - are you okay? its probably best for u to stay off these forums as u seem to be taking it very personally whenever someone is completely destroying u with solid arguments, stay triggered kido stay triggered
2019-04-28 14:55
50/50
2019-04-28 11:11
ah shit here we go again
2019-04-28 14:55
#115
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Turkey TrMan4161 
Xantares > Astralis
2019-04-28 14:56
1. 0/8 2. 0/8 3. 0/8 4. 0/8 5. 0/8 6. 0/8
2019-04-28 14:59
#125
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Don’t be mad nukestrike :)
2019-05-02 19:56
not mad at all. dont be dumb YoGatesKevin
2019-05-02 20:00
#128
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
That’s facts bro. Just admit them and move on my CIS friend :)
2019-05-02 20:03
0/8
2019-05-02 20:03
#130
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
nt
2019-05-02 20:11
yea, thats my opinion about this topic...even tho that it was pretty bad try lul
2019-05-02 20:11
#133
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Still doesn’t change the fact that pronax is a much more superior IGL compared to smug face carried by zonic
2019-05-02 20:13
0/8
2019-05-02 20:15
#138
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Your 0/8 doesn’t count hangs this fact tho 😉
2019-05-02 20:19
0/8
2019-05-02 20:20
#6 is enough for me to rate pronax higher than rat face.
2019-04-28 15:05
#126
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
+1
2019-05-02 19:57
#120
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United States [BluE] 
Astralis & fantic are probably pretty close to being tied for best roaster in history
2019-04-28 15:19
+1 GOAT IGL
2019-04-28 23:06
#135
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United States vaz 
hahahahahahaha never
2019-05-02 20:17
2. gla1ve played in the most competitive era of cs:go 3. gla1ve put all the other 4 players in the team to peak for a long time 4. gla1ve played in GOAT team 5. gla1ve played in the best roster of all time
2019-05-02 20:18
#137
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Deluded
2019-05-02 20:18
#142
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Pakistan XtraticX 
Totally agree with you, specially on 6th point. But gla1ve have one thing that pronax haven't.
2019-05-04 15:02
+1 AGREED WITH YOU 100%
2019-05-04 15:04
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