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Brexit
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
youtu.be/OX1Ja4x5Thw "What Does A Progressive Economist say about Brexit" With the EU Elections just a few weeks away I thought I'd share this. The left has 2 choices with Brexit: -Leave and work on UK progressive policies -Remain and fight a very hard battle to move the EU economy away from corporatism and neoliberalism.
2019-04-24 09:29
#1
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Austria raicoon1337 
Can you please stop posting on hltv? thanks.
2019-04-24 09:32
#3
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
No
2019-04-24 09:38
can you?
2019-04-24 12:20
#89
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Germany Deutschland! 
can you just delete your account already?
2019-04-24 13:21
#110
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
im pretty sure raicoon is at least a t2/t1 user unlike the dead pixel, who is as low as they get
2019-04-24 13:34
#121
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Germany Deutschland! 
how is this retard t2/t1? He is a legit idiot and we had to explain to him how the pension system in his country workslol
2019-04-24 13:39
#122
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
“we”? sounds like a lefty lynchmob to me, so hes good
2019-04-24 13:40
#124
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Germany Deutschland! 
Me and another german user. Has nothing to do with leftism lmao what are you tryna say here
2019-04-24 13:41
#125
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
ahh, a german lynchmob, i wouldnt want to listen to that either
2019-04-24 13:43
#126
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Germany Deutschland! 
0/8 nt alt-righter
2019-04-24 13:45
#127
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
not alt right, nt with ur typical lefty tactic of calling everyone who disagrees with u alt right
2019-04-24 13:48
#128
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Germany Deutschland! 
0/8 alt-righter try again
2019-04-24 13:49
#129
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
flag checks out lefty
2019-04-24 14:26
#130
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Germany Deutschland! 
0/8 alt-righter try again
2019-04-24 15:08
#131
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
0/8 alt-lefter try again
2019-04-24 16:56
#2
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Finland Autisthicc 
why politics in hltv
2019-04-24 09:35
#4
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Austria raicoon1337 
it's interesting. but this deadpixel guy is a leftist npc or a bad baiter
2019-04-24 09:38
#38
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
hes not a baiter, he is a real leftist npc
2019-04-24 12:13
#43
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Austria raicoon1337 
yeah sadly :D
2019-04-24 12:16
#56
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
one of the dumbest guys on this site tbh and there are a lot of dumb guys on this site
2019-04-24 12:49
#6
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
>Off Topic Incase you've not noticed, there are plenty of people on HLTV that talk politics If it bothers you that much then simply ignore it. You didn't have a click on this topic and comment, but you did.
2019-04-24 09:40
#7
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Finland Autisthicc 
man you trigger ez hehe
2019-04-24 09:41
#30
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United Kingdom xTheDeadPixel 
? You asked a dumb question. If someone replying to you honestly and bluntly constitues being triggered, then I don't think you quite grasp the meaning of triggering.
2019-04-24 10:42
#32
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Finland Autisthicc 
ez uk trigger blimey!
2019-04-24 10:51
#123
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
its not a uk thing, its just a lefty thing
2019-04-24 13:41
#5
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Brazil fuNNa 
brexit will never happen
2019-04-24 09:39
#8
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Austria raicoon1337 
i hope it does. They life in a democracy. They voted to leave.
2019-04-24 09:41
#10
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Brazil fuNNa 
stop believing in democracy my friend
2019-04-24 10:01
#11
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Austria raicoon1337 
sure. still they voted to leave. so they should.
2019-04-24 10:04
democracy is one thing. voting of deceived people is another one
2019-04-24 10:04
#14
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Austria raicoon1337 
i just don't get it. people voted to leave... so where is the problem? i did not follow any brexit news after the vote was over.
2019-04-24 10:06
"voting of deceived people" they were intentionally misinformed. they didnt have any decisive informations about all consequences of brexit. it was one big shit show. you can be sure that if that referendum would be made right now once again, the result would be completely different because now people can see the real state and not those fairy tales that someone told them before
2019-04-24 10:14
#16
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Austria raicoon1337 
noone told anyone before. You are a crying leftist who lost and can't accept it.
2019-04-24 10:16
im not even from britain LMAO...i couldnt care less
2019-04-24 10:17
He is right, UKIP intentionally misinformed the population.
2019-04-24 12:16
#46
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Austria raicoon1337 
no but i expected nothing from you. another leftist npc
2019-04-24 12:16
obviously everyone who says something that doesnt fit your narrative is a leftist NPC. you know what that makes you? super predictable. you know who else are predictable? NPCs. ergo you are a rightist NPC.
2019-04-24 12:21
#50
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Austria raicoon1337 
nt leftist npc
2019-04-24 12:21
see, you cant not follow your script
2019-04-24 12:22
Telling the people that after leaving the EU they will have 400 million pounds than before for their healthcare system wasnt a straight up lie?
2019-04-24 12:58
As a brit, i havent met anyone that was intentionally misinformed... WE had alot of information and alot of opinions from various experts. most people came to an informed decision and therefore we voted to leave. If we voted to stay i could see an arguement for saying that people were minipulated because there was alot of money spent by the government and famous people to attempt to sway the populus, thankfully the people saw through the establishments plan and voted for democracy manifest
2019-04-24 10:16
sure, we will have a good deal with eu bla bla bla and guess what? you have nothing...you are wrong and you know that. there were already another surveys and +- 54% are for staying in eu now...
2019-04-24 10:21
What am i wrong about and what do i know? are you going to actually write anything or just say im wrong?
2019-04-24 10:21
Did you just edit your comment?
2019-04-24 10:21
yes i did...and you were missinformed with some retarded deals that you will not even have because eu will be always against it and they have no reason to comply... and about that part: "As long as we stop being part of a multinational form of government then im happy." majority is against leaving now so what happened? yea they know all consequences now. again, im not saying that leaving or staying is bad and that you dont have reasons for it...but you hadnt all informations and mainly accurate informations before(or atleast mass of people)
2019-04-24 10:34
I couldnt give a shit if the deal is good or bad or if we even havea deal. As long as we stop being part of a multinational form of government then im happy.
2019-04-24 10:22
#31
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Finland ToxicDUD 
my allegiance is to the republic to democracy!
2019-04-24 10:48
how he worked out so far?
2019-04-24 12:54
leaving will give the corporatists more opportunities to deregulate, i dont see why anyone on the left would want to leave the EU given that the EU is more left than the tories
2019-04-24 09:44
Because valuing particular humans over other humans based on their location on the planet is wrong. Because multinational governments are usually bad. Because the EU is moving towards an EU army, which is just pure filth. Because we life in the oldest modern democracy in the world and we deserve the ability to dictate our own future. Also, i wouldnt be surprised y'all vote to leave soon too, the polls are pretty close.
2019-04-24 10:04
yeah no, dutch people understand that brexit is bad for your economy and because we rely on trade the effects here would be much worse. never going to happen in a million years. even if the people would want it because my goverment doesnt give a fuck about what the people want. they care about multinationals. and so does yours, because the tories are in charge. leaving the EU means closed borders and right wing deregulatory economic policy.
2019-04-24 10:16
So it essentially means moving away from the European model of doing economics (which clearly doesn't work, just look at most European nations and their production problems and look at the Euro) and moving towards a freer markey with less regulations and more profit and choice? sounds good to me mate. At one point, the EU regulated the shape of fruit coming into the UK lol, we legit couldnt buy a straight bannana because the EU decided that bananas should be curved
2019-04-24 10:19
lol you cant just say "it clearly doesnt work" without like 1000 pages worth of research, kiddo. you cant convince anyone by just stating what you believe and not WHY. most eu nations are doing far better than your economy which is barely growing at all in this high conjuncture because of brexit source for 2018 Q3: bbc.com/news/business-46835078 and again 2018 Q4: edition.cnn.com/2019/04/02/economy/uk-ec.. total growth for 2019 estimated at 1.2%: britishchambers.org.uk/media/get/BCC%20B.. i dont know where you are getting your information, but less EU regulation creates more uncertainty for businesses, more opportunity for anti competitive behaviour, and therefore more money has to be spent on risk mitigation and there is less profit for business. the EU exists to maximize profits for european corporations. so there's no profit to be had for any country by attacking each other. by leaving youre just painting a massive target on your back. i would like to see a source for your banana story.
2019-04-24 12:07
#53
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
the eu is a shrinking percentage of global gdp so it makes no sense to tie your country to it, we may be worse off in the short run but in the long term it will benefit the uk economically
2019-04-24 12:45
again some baseless illogical reasoning. elaborate why you think that the EUs % of global GDP has anything to do with brexit. i see no connection here. and btw, of course the EU is a shrinking percentage of global gdp. its much more profitable for people to invest their money in less developed faster growing economies. you get a bigger return there. what you need to look at is who actually owns the capital. not what country its in. its the 21st century. why do you think that deregulation, less oversight, less, and more expensive, trade with the mainland, less investment in smaller european economies, will be good on the long term? i think its bad short term and bad long term. what mechanism do you think exists that will turn things around? what will change in a few years? how long is short term anyway?
2019-04-24 12:49
#57
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
less oversight and deregulation are supply side policies that have been used many times to BOOST ECONOMIC GROWTH. more regulation doesnt mean more certainty dumbass, and the fact that the eu is a shrinking % of global gdp isnt relevant to brexit? oh i guess the state of the eu within the global economy has no impact on brexit at all you fucking moron.
2019-04-24 12:51
less oversight and deregulation boost the economy short term and crash the economy long term. see: economic crises of 1930 and 2008. so again i must ask you why you think you will be worse off short term and better long term.
2019-04-24 12:55
#69
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
thats not referring to long term or short term, the long term short term arguments are about trade deals with developing economies. and supply side policies ARE beneficial to the economy especially in the long run since they shift the aggregate supply to the right as to prevent inflation. the 1930s crash was due to a lack in a central banking system at the time and the lack of knowledge of industrial processes (nothing to do with regulation since literally no one knew that goods had to degrade over time). and the 2008 crash was just because of bad business practices that the eu has nothing to do with the regulation of. i am an economics student, and you ARE a dumbass
2019-04-24 13:02
have you read piketty yet? if not go do that. i am willing to let one insult slide. not more than one. you can easily call someone who is smarter than you a dumbass mr first year economics student. fucking dumbass
2019-04-24 13:04
#71
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
you are smarter than me? funny since you knew nothing about the wall street crash or supply side economics, so i have to say, you are a dumbass
2019-04-24 13:05
if you can say that i know nothing after basically 10 minutes of talking, you are not only the actual dumbass but also arrogant. fucking british twat. i hope you get fucking so hard by brexit you cant even find a job after college. itll teach you a lesson about supply side economics.
2019-04-24 13:07
#78
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
Hahahahaha cry is free salty little water goblin, you must be sad that no one cares enough about you shit country that they never mention it in the news
2019-04-24 13:13
yeah im super sad that we are not in the news every day in every country in europe because we are destroying our own economy and all trust in the government. super sad. i am slowly starting to think you actually are retarded. are you sure youre going to pass this year?
2019-04-24 13:14
#83
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
it doesnt matter even if i dont, uk has a low unemployment rate regardless and has a very good economy, which will only be improved upon brexit.
2019-04-24 13:17
you will be proven wrong in a reasonable amount of time. ill be laughing. im actually glad you arrogant twats are leaving. you dont contribute shit and only complain. you will get the bill for leaving. and you will continue to pay for the inconveniece you cause by not being in the union. i dont see how you can possibly be arrogant enough to think the benefits will be larger than the costs. your negotiation position with the EU is terrible.
2019-04-24 13:19
#88
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
we already paid for your shitty country enough, if the uk economy suffers in the short term you will no doubt take that as proof that it will not do well in the futture. cry is free
2019-04-24 13:21
what the fuck are you on about, you dont pay for shit in my country, we contribute almost as much as you with like 4x fewer people, shut the fuck up, you dont know shit. mr dumbass economics student.
2019-04-24 13:23
funny that you cant even discuss the political situation of your country with a foreigner without immediately insulting them. you are giving a really good example for your country. you must be very proud. fucking retard.
2019-04-24 13:08
#76
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
no, i cant discuss these issues with someone who claims to be sooo intelligent without really knowing much about economics. dumbass also retard is a bannable word.
2019-04-24 13:11
do you think i give a fuck about being banned on this internet forum? no. i give a fuck about telling you youre a piece of shit. what would your mother say if she saw you talk to people like this. shithead.
2019-04-24 13:12
#79
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
cry is free little baby boy
2019-04-24 13:14
you have no brains and nothing interesting to say
2019-04-24 13:15
#94
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
then why are you still talking to me fuckwit? i must have something interesting to say
2019-04-24 13:25
no im just trying to figure out how long itll take you to figure out im just continuing the conversation to insult you you fuckwit
2019-04-24 13:26
both those crashes were caused by lack of regulation in the financial sector, excessive speculation, bubbles. serious issues that are caused by your supply side policies
2019-04-24 13:06
#75
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
no the 2nd one was due to lack of regulation, the 1st was firstly because andrew jackson didnt trust a central bank to be powerful, so it wasnt in 1930 when the banks failed so it was unable to bail out the smaller banks when they went under, also because of overproduction of goods at the time that lasted for too long and therefore didnt need replacements. the govt could not have regulated this since NO ONE KNEW. the wall street crash was not the primary reason for the actual depression either.
2019-04-24 13:10
basically afaik you are just repeating talking points you saw on tv and didnt do any research
2019-04-24 12:56
and then you call me dumbass
2019-04-24 12:56
#54
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
also this is the link to the banana thing: google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2.. not to mention the fact that the eu has banned water bottle companies from advertising the fact that water hydrates because it hasnt yet been proven
2019-04-24 12:48
okay and how much work has your govt done trying to have this silly rule overturned? for the second one again no sources. but even if i assume those 2 things are true, throwing away some bananas unnecessarily and not being able to make commercials that say water hydrates still seems like a far better alternative compared to not being in the EU. is that really the best youve got? surely there must have been bigger issues than bendy bananas.
2019-04-24 12:54
#63
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
none because our cuck govt obeys all the fucking moronic laws the eu implements and pays a hefty chunk of shit no one in the uk wants to pay for, we could disobey all this stupid shit like spain or italy, but we dont, because all uk parties are left wing at this point, and real conservatism is dead.
2019-04-24 12:57
of course you pay for shit you dont want to pay for, thats how fucking taxes work. does the word solidarity mean anything in your country? you pay for shit you dont want but other people do, and they pay for shit that they dont want but you do. the UK historically pays less to the EU than fucking france and italy. you were one of the richest countries in the union and basically freeloading with exceptions for tons of rules. best deal ever. and you set it on fire.
2019-04-24 12:59
the reason your govt has to implement those laws is that you are wealthy enough to do so and you cant claim that you cant implement all the new rules because your government doesnt work and its complete chaos after every election like for example italy. the EU has realistic expectations from countries. these are not written down anywhere. its diplomacy.
2019-04-24 13:01
i dont know what you define as real conservatism but the tories are some of the most conservative people in all of europe. they hate everything new.
2019-04-24 13:02
#82
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
the conservatives, and especially the current uk government, are lefty as fuck, they want mass immigration, multiculturalism and massive benefits
2019-04-24 13:16
no they arent, youre just a retarded extreme right wing incel
2019-04-24 13:17
#85
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
>for mass immigration >for multiculturalism >for benefits > right wing yea one of these just doesnt belong
2019-04-24 13:19
correct. they arent for mass immigration. if they were, they wouldnt have campaigned to leave the EU, you fucking retard.
2019-04-24 13:20
#91
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
the uk govt didnt? may was 100% remain as was most of her cabinet.
2019-04-24 13:23
uhuh sure thats why shes been working for brexit for years now, because she doesnt want it.
2019-04-24 13:24
#96
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
she hasnt been working for brexit, she has essentially trying to make it as soft as possible. also why are you denying an undeniable fact such as that may was pro remain?
2019-04-24 13:27
im saying her party isnt, or brexit would not have happened.
2019-04-24 13:27
May campaigned for remain you absolute degenerate.
2019-04-24 13:28
and now she is working to make brexit happen, no? she couldve said "i dont want to do this, i quit". but she didnt. in fact she wanted new elections right after the brexit vote to get a bigger mandate for more radical changes. or was that also a stab in the back and did she plan on losing out in those elections? i dont think she's that clever.
2019-04-24 13:31
Cameron was prime minister during the referendum...
2019-04-24 13:32
The 2017 United Kingdom general election took place on Thursday 8 June 2017, having been called just under two months earlier by Prime Minister Theresa May on 18 April 2017[2] after it was discussed in cabinet.
2019-04-24 13:33
EU referendum was 2016 you retard Cameron quit after the results jesus christ
2019-04-24 13:33
are you actually saying she called an election because she wanted her party to lose seats?
2019-04-24 13:33
No because she wanted to show that people still wanted the Conservatives in power after the referendum result
2019-04-24 13:34
even though the brexiteers are mainly conservatives?
2019-04-24 13:35
35% of Labour voters voted for Brexit.
2019-04-24 13:36
which is a lot less than 50%
2019-04-24 13:36
Conservatives won the election with 36.9% of the vote? Edit: 42.4%
2019-04-24 13:37
sorry youre being very vague and going tons of places, the result of which election are you talking about now?
2019-04-24 13:37
The one you sourced
2019-04-24 13:38
tories had less seats after that election, it blew up in their faces. they lost 13. which made it much harder to push anything through related to brexit if there are just a couple uncooperative members of parliament
2019-04-24 13:39
if the tories didnt want brexit, and labor doesnt want brexit, there wouldve been a second peoples vote a year ago.
2019-04-24 13:24
#99
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
no, because it is easier for may to sabotage brexit from the inside than the out
2019-04-24 13:27
shes not sabotaging it, brexiteers had unrealistic expectations of the negotiations. they wanted things the EU had no reason to grant them. typical british arrogance. you just assumed there would be even standings in the negotiations when you have no position to demand anything. and of course when it turns out that you wanted the impossible surely May is a traitor, it cant possibly be your own fault.
2019-04-24 13:32
#104
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
brexiteers do not want the things the eu can give them, so there is nothing. we want to leave with wto rules if we must, even if that means the death of the de auto industry. thats all she needed to do, and the majoririty of the country would be happy
2019-04-24 13:32
you want trade with the mainland. without it your economy tanks. we can do without you. you cant do without us. worst negotiation position ever.
2019-04-24 13:34
actuually now that i think about it switzerland is even worse off because they are landlocked
2019-04-24 13:35
I also really appreciate how you basically ignored all my points and just disagreed with the last. Ill assume you agreed with the rest as you had no objection
2019-04-24 10:23
your other statements are unfounded sentences like "an eu army is pure filth" and "multinational govt bad". basically donald trump level intellectualism right there. save it for debate club at school. if you want a conversation with me you have to bring some sources and rational arguments.
2019-04-24 12:14
LOL on hltv? a discussion page and definately not a university paper where i have to cite all my sources, gtfo of here. If you want sources, go work at heinz
2019-04-24 12:14
thanks for wasting my time then, retard.
2019-04-24 12:15
you are welcome baby girl
2019-04-24 12:16
#106
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
yeah he does that a lot ive noticed
2019-04-24 13:33
the british are some of the only people on the planet stubborn enough to watch this clusterfuck unfold for 3 years and still maintain it wasnt a terrible idea.
2019-04-24 10:17
Its deffo a cluster fuck. but if we never join the stupid multinational governmental scheme in the first place then we wouldnt of had to leave it. Tbh people dont give a shit about the economy here, we all have really fucking easy lives and barely anyone stuggles, most people care about transient things like democracy. weird i know, but im kinda glad we have the freedom to be able to fight for what we think is right without really having to worry about the economic issues.
2019-04-24 10:20
churchill himself said we needed a united states of europe, right after ww2. that man appreciated the sovereignty of britain. but he still said it. because there are no alternatives. the cost of war is too high. by leaving the EU, you are removing yourself from the foundation for 70 years of peace. and you will still have to comply with EU regulation if you want to export anything here. you just dont get to vote on anything any more. worst decision your govt made in my lifetime.
2019-04-24 12:12
and you may have an easy life, but there is still poverty in your country, as well as in mine. its typical for a quitter like you to look away from such things because it gets in the way of your fantasy story about how happy you will all be without those meddling EU bureaucrats.
2019-04-24 12:11
i dont think we will be particularly happier. idgaf about happiness, i just care about sovereignty tbh. Im just saying the being in the EU or out, it doesnt really make much difference. Especially the whole war angle, because there wont be a war in europe due to brexit lol
2019-04-24 12:13
there might be war again if all other countries act as short sighted as you guys and quit. luckily we are wiser than a couple sheep farmers on a foggy island.
2019-04-24 12:15
and people wonder why british people voted to leave if this is the attitude of those on the mainland lol
2019-04-24 12:15
you can either stay and take our shit or leave and take more of it
2019-04-24 12:18
funny that you dare talk about the attitude on the mainland if your attitude is "as soon as the EU asks us to pay our fair share of the budget we fucking quit"
2019-04-24 12:23
Sorry to jump in, but are you taking the words of one individual as a reason to generalize the attitude of the entire EU population? Perhaps his perception of the citizens of the UK changed after the referendum and became worse?
2019-04-24 13:27
#27
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Europe crosst 
U retarded Edit expected from english posh cunt
2019-04-24 10:23
#65
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
You are an alt-left NPC man Instead of saying: "Its almost harvesting season" you say "Orange man bad"
2019-04-24 12:58
noone takes you seriously just stop posting you're literally a leftist version of trik
2019-04-25 05:37
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