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Vertigo Map Discussion
Australia itzsassym8 
Hey guys, we all know how it is. Sassy coming to annoy everyone with his new 5 minutes of csgo! We are up to Episode 7 now which is really great but I would like to use this episode and video to discuss about Vertigo. I think obviously it may be a little premature since it is still not consistent throughout every TO's map pool but I think we have seen a snippet of what potential can come out of this map. I make a point into asking everyone to comment (in my vid): The team that will be the best on this map? What side the map will favour? and who will perma ban it? I am bringing this here so I can get a bigger sample size from the hltv comments (got no idea what im going to do with the data yet but I am going to compare it at 1000 maps played or something) Now obviously if you wanna throw some reasons behind it go ahead, because thats where I really want to spark some discussion. I think its good to finally see another new map come into the competitive pool and I am keen to see what this map brings to scene but also what over maps this may be a gateway too! anyways for those who are interested here is my new 5 minutes of csgo! : youtu.be/Qpf9iCKaX5w
2019-04-24 14:12
#1
Sosa | 
Brazil wtfmen)))) 
Hey
2019-04-24 14:14
hey man hows going and how does it feel to be no1 on an itzsassym8 post
2019-04-24 14:15
#5
Xyp9x | 
Denmark baccster 
I'm feeling thank you!
2019-04-24 14:16
what is your favourite colour of the alphabet
2019-04-24 14:21
#16
xartE | 
Finland XARTEGoD 
13
2019-04-24 14:29
cmon you have to atleast answer the question in binary
2019-04-24 14:32
#31
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
0b10111010000
2019-04-24 14:39
is that a b??? wait so you made a mistake like any other human, how pathetic
2019-04-24 14:40
#33
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Liechtenstein yppiL 
b denotes a number in binary. Pathetic hyooman.
2019-04-24 14:41
mind blown I just googled it so its practically shorthand so to speak? 1011
2019-04-24 14:42
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Denmark Snakebye 
Mid is crap
2019-04-24 14:15
why is it though, I mean I guess its not very clear with how you are meant to take it. I think we are also used to see "mids" of maps be a very important and crucial part of the map whereas on this map it may not be the case. I get how it is crap but maybe its just the perspective on what we think maps should be. I think Vertigo you cant really compare it to most maps but I may be proven wrong after a bit of time
2019-04-24 14:18
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Denmark Snakebye 
Basically not working as intended they use it wingman but in comp game you have 5v5 not 2v2 you can play 2B 2A 1guy is rotating he can hold from door or A or window or bags or close or on top of the box if you use utility good they can do shit in mid
2019-04-24 14:22
I guess what I am saying just because mid an x map is generally accessible for both teams doesnt mean it not being a possibility on Vertigo a bad thing, itll just take longer for teams to be able to adapt and work out other ways to get map control. Obviously I still think it could use some rework but I dont think its necessarily a bad thing. I mean at the end of the day if every map was balanced for a 8-7 half whats the point of having 7 maps. How would you change the middle part of the map
2019-04-24 14:25
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Denmark Snakebye 
remove middle and make 2 ways to a and b separated one from other or something like that could work
2019-04-24 14:29
#17
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Denmark Snakebye 
They could just put wall past doors or something
2019-04-24 14:29
like infront or behind it, like I guess but what would get you between that wall on the next area, like with that its getting way too chokey
2019-04-24 14:34
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Denmark Snakebye 
As ct you can only enter through the door
2019-04-24 14:36
so from t side can they climb up boxes over it or something because if not that would create the same problem but even smaller?
2019-04-24 14:37
#35
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Denmark Snakebye 
Not sure. Map was built from two maps for wingman and I think mid should be started from scratch
2019-04-24 14:44
I thought it was made as a map together and they just implemented one site into wingman to get some more data and response? but I may be wrong? Source?
2019-04-24 14:45
#39
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Denmark Snakebye 
Yeah, but how will they fix key part of map (middle) and if they focus so much on the sites
2019-04-24 14:47
is there a source just out of curiosity cause its interesting. Ye ye true
2019-04-24 14:48
#49
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Denmark Snakebye 
Not sure about the source but I think 3kliks made good videos about it
2019-04-24 15:09
Ye probably, I mean his vertigo vids are the main ones I’ve watched but I must have missed it
2019-04-25 01:07
and you'll end up with map like de_season which is too big for 5v5 and makes no sense at all.
2019-04-24 14:38
#29
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Denmark Snakebye 
Vertigo is not 5v5 map it's two maps made for 2v2
2019-04-24 14:38
yea i agree but if you make it with 2 separated ways to each bombsite which will create new angles etc you`ll make it 2x 3v3 instead of 1x 5v5. as i've said, 2 major ways to each bombsite will end up like on de_season which was bad af. when T got control of one side of the map there was pretty much no way to do a retake. too many angles to check, too many ways to setup your defence in post-plant. in such scenario only aspect that matters is "how many kills CT can get before bombplant on site A/B" and this just doesn't fit the game idea overall.
2019-04-24 14:48
#52
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Denmark Snakebye 
Same goes for canals yeah it didn't make it comp but map design is bad same goes with vertigo I think abbey have much more potential as competitive map ofc it needs some adjustment
2019-04-24 15:35
oh fuck I didnt see this comment ahah
2019-04-24 14:39
#36
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Denmark Snakebye 
If you played cs 1.6 de_forge is kinda idea of that 2ways to a 2 ways to b
2019-04-24 14:45
oh ye I see
2019-04-24 16:35
#4
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Australia Hythro 
Its ass my m8
2019-04-24 14:16
cmom man atleast get it right its phat ass my m8
2019-04-24 14:20
#55
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Australia Hythro 
I just re-wrote your name
2019-04-24 16:18
I know
2019-04-24 16:27
Dunno, holding A is nightmare as a CT
2019-04-24 14:23
ye that is true, I feel like its more of a "retake" site
2019-04-24 14:30
retake sites should be easy to retake, like train b 4 example. This site tho is as hard to retake as to defend it. everything is bangable, rly good afterplant-positions, just smoke the site and spray trough some angles -> reward. They have to rework this whole site, probably make it more defendable from ramp
2019-04-25 00:16
Fair enough. I mean in every game I’ve watched I’ve seen attempts to play it as more a retake site but it’s a small sample size. I think give it time and teams will either find a more effective way to retake or hold it
2019-04-25 00:24
we will see but im sure there will be, and have to be some major changes
2019-04-25 00:32
+1, especially ramp because if you choose to agressively challenge it as a CT you are exposed from 3 angles which is way too risky to go for a pick, and there’s a lot of ways that the site can be locked down thru smokes.
2019-04-25 06:29
noob map, only office is worse map
2019-04-24 14:24
why is it a noob map though
2019-04-24 14:35
Australia. You have no rights to speak about CS:GO worldwide unless you have been pro. If we listen for australian, well we don't listen to australian. Only SPUNJ has rights.
2019-04-24 14:25
I have casted eu mdl can that help me :(((((
2019-04-24 14:29
So what? Casters are silvers.
2019-04-24 14:30
I can analyse the game, it doesnt take being a pro to go over information
2019-04-24 14:31
Love new banana
2019-04-24 14:25
will u be able to penetrate with it?
2019-04-24 14:31
youu fakin' drugga
2019-04-24 14:47
wadiyatalkenabeet
2019-04-24 14:47
Cheeky cunt Fun map
2019-04-24 14:53
whats the cheeky bit here ;) ye its fun cause its different
2019-04-24 14:55
I see an Aussie I call him that it's just fun, sorry m8
2019-04-24 15:17
all g aha
2019-04-24 15:24
How much for a tripper snipper mate? I want to feel like I got two tickets to the astral plains
2019-04-24 14:52
I should make a tripper snipper a tier on patreon aye aha but $10 and that comes with a drink
2019-04-24 15:04
Faak yeh caant, I'll take two
2019-04-24 16:00
but actual if I made it a tier on my patreon would u do it
2019-04-24 16:03
If it's the real sassy foods then yeh mann
2019-04-24 22:34
Aha I’ll do it then, look out for it
2019-04-25 00:11
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Czech Republic TheDankLord 
The whole map is a clusterfuck. Actually they should rename it to Clustergo. Chaos reigns.
2019-04-24 14:57
aha, do you think its a matter of teams figuring their way around it or do you reckon they need changes to make it playable in ur eyes
2019-04-24 15:03
#59
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Czech Republic TheDankLord 
I think that the overall layout of the map doesn't work the with the idea of Profi, tactical csgo...
2019-04-24 19:39
bumpo
2019-04-24 16:59
Woah nice bump man
2019-04-25 01:05
#61
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Belgium M4RTEN 
i collect shit every day and release it once a week in huge, wet dumps
2019-04-24 22:35
I’d rather shit in my hands and clap than hear you speak
2019-04-25 00:25
#82
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Belgium M4RTEN 
I like your reaction, sir. You get a shitball for free, fresh from my ass!
2019-04-25 09:43
Clarence shut the fuck you potato headed looking druggo
2019-04-25 23:08
That map fucking sucks /discussion
2019-04-25 00:12
Why do you say that though?
2019-04-25 00:29
What makes it sucky in your opinion. Or did it literally suck you
2019-04-25 00:30
Maps fun af IMO, really easy to carry on
2019-04-25 00:33
I did some theorycrafting on the map for about 30 mins and found some really interesting stuff. You can have a solo B player playing retake, since post-plant mollies from CT and Door are powerful enough to clear the site without a CT there. You can 5 rifle on both sides and get away with it, in fact having an AWP may be worse than having an M4/AK. If CTs are good at holding onto their nades retakes are really easy. Conversely, Ts can take both sites with literally just flashbangs, so I expect to see a lot of utility kills on this map.
2019-04-25 00:28
Thank you for actually being useful instead of one phrase comments. No ones answered the questions yet though. I mean it’s highly unlikely it’ll develop further but if a team can master a strat using the elevator I’ll be impressed
2019-04-25 00:35
Fun map, i like it
2019-04-25 00:34
That’s good
2019-04-25 00:44
One big clusterfuck if you ask me. But an interesting one. It definitely should be reworked.
2019-04-25 01:15
Like it’s totally possible that it’s a clusterfuck because there is no clear meta of how to play it yet. It’ll be interesting to see but Ye I wouldn’t be surprised to see a rework
2019-04-25 05:36
Mid is terrible. Rotations are too fast, can't even position properly after planting C4.
2019-04-25 05:45
fair enough
2019-04-25 08:56
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