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Should BIG go International?
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Berlin International Gaming have been the best German team is CSGO for a long time now, but as of late have brought in non-German players such as Smooya and Xantares. As BIG move away from a full-German roster, do you think that it would be beneficial to them to stray even further and become an international roster? All 6 players in BIG speak English, besides Xantares who's taking English lessons, and have experience in English speaking rosters. They have a number of star talents in the team too, as well as a well-respected IGL who can communicate with Xantares in Turkish in the short term to help with communication issues. The available players are very strong at the moment too, and if you look at what BIG need right now there's a player in each role who would make them better. As BIG don't have a major spot to worry about keeping, they can replace as many players as they feel necessary in order to make this transition. However, they only need to make 2 in order to be competitive again. -NEX +Smooya BIG need an AWPer, and TabseN is too good on rifles to waste on that role. If Smooya can keep confident and keep up his numbers, bringing him back to BIG would be the best thing for them as they performed so much better with him than they do without him. -TiziaN +Styko Removing the support player is always somewhat risky as it harms the chemistry of the team, which in many ways is centred around the support player. However, Styko is potentially one of the best dedicated supports that we've seen in the game and he would be a considerable upgrade of TiziaN. I'd support bringing in suNny, but as far as roles go its clear that they don't need him right now. Unless communications with Xantares become too difficult in the long term, they shouldn't need to be bringing him in. TL;DR Should BIG become an international roster and stop trying to be the best German team?
2019-04-24 14:50
#1
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
The roster that I've proposed would look something like this: Xantares (Entry) Gob b (IGL) Smooya (AWPer) TabseN (Rifler) Styko (Support)
2019-04-24 14:50
tizian > styko lol
2019-04-24 15:02
#18
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Flag checks out
2019-04-24 15:03
ur flag checks out tizian doing so much but UK cs brain cant see it
2019-04-24 15:05
#22
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
He's a great support sure, but Styko is TOP 3/5 support (Depending on who you consider as a support player) Besides, he's an excellent role player who does what the team needs and has spent practically his entire career on international rosters speaking English, so he would be a better fit in this team than Tizian
2019-04-24 15:18
#70
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Europe Daddy! 
+1
2019-04-24 16:40
+1
2019-04-24 17:10
#85
allu | 
Canada Lokomo 
I agree with most of your points, but Germans speak really good English. I had a German roommate who barely even had an accent when he spoke english.
2019-04-24 17:15
I’m not suggesting that Tizian can’t speak English (Or I shouldn’t have if I did), but Styko just has more experience calling in an English speaking international roster
2019-04-24 17:36
lol. most Germans arent well versed in English
2019-04-25 09:49
Netherlandians tend to speak better English - it's true. I suppose your education is better
2019-04-26 17:31
Nah, our education sucks. We dont dub our movies etc, though. So we're much more exposed to English.
2019-04-26 17:32
That's a big one, you can watch everything in German if you want to. I dont though anyway
2019-04-26 17:33
#214
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Germany staxie 
Then your roommate is an exception xD In germany the english from most of the people sucks :D
2019-04-25 09:57
yes you are the prime example of that
2019-04-25 11:56
#245
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Germany staxie 
I didn't say that my english is the best. But this toxic comment of yours shows a lack of self-esteem. Insulting someone to feel better. Thumbs up for you! Wish nothing but the best for you :)
2019-04-25 12:46
#188
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Other nt_newfag 
thats why he was kicked from every team he joined?
2019-04-25 07:55
#170 Orgs famously undervalue support players
2019-04-25 08:58
#223
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Other nt_newfag 
Im sure some random hltv users know more then actual pro players
2019-04-25 11:21
I guess so, since people were suggesting C9 get a real IGL for the longest, they didnt, and so they were shit for the longest time.
2019-04-26 17:56
#190
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United Kingdom Lcheste3 
Yeah but replacing Tizian would harm the team because he has been with all of the other players for a good while, and knows how they all play.
2019-04-25 08:55
But if big removed most of their players in favour of international players that old chemistry wouldn’t be there, so he’d be better in a German team like Sprout
2019-04-25 08:57
+1 tizian underrated the real problem is gob b's leadership imo.
2019-04-25 09:50
Neither would fit an international team of superstars
2019-04-25 11:33
STYKO >>>>>>> tizian .... tizian its tier3 player...
2019-04-26 17:52
#32
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Germany Deutschland! 
styko xDDDDD
2019-04-24 15:12
#39
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
#22
2019-04-24 15:17
yes #22 is still shit
2019-04-24 16:46
#131
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Latvia 4swen4 
better than tizian most of the time
2019-04-24 19:18
nope styko is bot, deal with it fank1ds. if he is top3 support, why he has no team ?
2019-04-24 19:21
#140
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Latvia 4swen4 
u dont have to be top3 support to be in BIG, big aint even top 10 atm
2019-04-24 19:22
??? context to my post? iq?
2019-04-24 19:27
Most teams already built their rosters and are trialling them out before making changes Also, Styko turned down many offers as he’s waiting for the perfect team (Presumably)
2019-04-24 21:47
no he is just not good. thats why he got removed from mouz two times, why he failed in c9 and why he doesnt have a team even though he is avaible on the market for more than a half year. you are ridiculous
2019-04-24 21:57
He was removed the first time as they wanted to add more firepower and try a different approach - he was promptly added back after they realised how bad the new roster was He didn’t fail in C9, he was being tried out in a new role in a poor roster going through a transitional period The second time he was removed he was removed with two star players too as the org had almost a full clear out and only kept their longest standing player and their star young talent He’s turned down Hellraisers and a few other teams so how about you stop being ridiculous because I’m being perfectly rational
2019-04-24 22:35
1) before the first kick, they already wanted to kick him. and they didnt tried a different approach. they kicked him because he sucks. 2) yes roster with snax was so bad they only won esl one ny. and they didnt kicked snax, snax was mad because they wanted that he plays stykos role. btw. a good proof that they didnt want to try a different approach, they just werent statisfied with botko performance. 3) he failed. read his interview. funny thing is that styko has a much more realistic view on his own performances than his fanbois. 4) fact: he was removed. doesnt matter who also got removed. 5) fact: he plays in a t2 mix now. boi, teams can get this boi for months. he plays t2 mix because he is t2mix
2019-04-24 23:06
I mean they were trying a different approach by having more firepower rather than better role players so he was removed to accommodate this. They quickly realised that Snax was getting worse numbers in styko’s roles and that he was a better role player They won ESL One NY but Snax was poor for Mouz and Styko was much better in his roles - they only won because Liquid choked as per anyway as well as other players such as ChrisJ stepping up massivelh Nobody’s saying he’s a star fragger, he’s just a really really good role player Fact: he was removed as a part of a huge overhaul of the roster Fact: he’s standing in for a mix team so that he isn’t sat on the bench suNny hasn’t played in 3 months - are you telling me that nobody wants him because he’s not any good? After all, they were benched around the same time, teams could have signed him for months
2019-04-24 23:23
+1
2019-04-24 21:45
Much better than their current team
2019-04-24 16:45
#77
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
+1
2019-04-24 17:02
#141
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Latvia 4swen4 
+1
2019-04-24 19:22
As TabseN is going to be the IGL post-Gob Xantares (Entry) TabseN (IGL) Smooya (AWPer) suNny (Rifler) Styko (Support)
2019-04-24 19:07
#142
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Latvia 4swen4 
+1, only when gob decides to leave
2019-04-24 19:23
+1
2019-04-24 19:35
I dont believe it will work smooya and big had internal issues and gobb didnt liked his playstyle as for styko tizian is actually quite good I would wanna have nex replaced so against an proper main awper tabsen has been there hard entry in the past so I would consider him as the entry xantarres should be a lurker gobb igl tizian support and than proper star awper (I thought of mou from gambit who is doing well but Iam not aware of his english skills
2019-04-25 09:01
Then remove the problem: bot b
2019-04-25 09:06
I’ve always rated Gambit’s mou and he’s good with English As nobody seems to fit Gob b’s system, see #124
2019-04-25 09:16
If I'd had to remove for whatever reasons I would aquire sunny to replace nex and yam who is a decent igl and a good supportive awper can speak turkish so he can comfort xantarres and we have tabsen sunny and xantarres as a star trio
2019-04-25 10:43
Yam? God no, he wasn’t even good enough for Ex-SS I love the star trio, and with an AWPer like Smooya there too it could be even nicer, but having Yam on the team will never let them be Top 5
2019-04-25 11:32
I dont believe it will work smooya and big had internal issues and gobb didnt liked his playstyle as for styko tizian is actually quite good I would wanna have nex replaced so against an proper main awper tabsen has been there hard entry in the past so I would consider him as the entry xantarres should be a lurker gobb igl tizian support and than proper star awper (I thought of mou from gambit who is doing well but Iam not aware of his english skills
2019-04-25 09:01
I dont believe it will work smooya and big had internal issues and gobb didnt liked his playstyle as for styko tizian is actually quite good I would wanna have nex replaced against an proper main awper tabsen has been there hard entry in the past so I would consider him as the entry xantarres should be a lurker gobb igl tizian support and than a proper star awper (I thought of mou from gambit who is doing well but Iam not aware of his english skills
2019-04-25 09:02
Xantares (Entry) Gob b (IGL) (Support) have low aim but can be good support.. Smooya (AWPer) TabseN (Rifler) ( second Awper ) Calyx (Rifler)
2019-04-26 17:54
Calyx? No thank you
2019-04-26 18:12
-xantares +smooya Ez back to top 10
2019-04-24 14:51
#4
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Honestly not a bad idea either I'd also drop Nex for suNny if Xantares isn't on the roster and even consider having Styko as the support over TiziaN
2019-04-24 14:53
#154
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Germany NitczkaCS 
+1
2019-04-24 20:18
#3
FalleN | 
Brazil Tablari 
Honestly I think BIG has to do an important step for the organization and Esports in general, disband.
2019-04-24 14:51
#5
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
They're not quite that bad yet
2019-04-24 14:53
#34
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Germany Deutschland! 
> fan of fallen
2019-04-24 15:12
#48
FalleN | 
Brazil Tablari 
FalleN is respectable!
2019-04-24 15:38
#6
bottle | 
Asia Ace_Y 
or Germany just starts WW3, invades whole Europe and gets a good German roster
2019-04-24 14:53
#7
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
I mean sure Astralis Top 1 Motherland Germany inc?
2019-04-24 14:55
#8
bottle | 
Asia Ace_Y 
no china always numba 1
2019-04-24 14:56
#9
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
But what if China becomes German?
2019-04-24 14:56
#10
bottle | 
Asia Ace_Y 
no Europe becomes Chinese cuz numba 1
2019-04-24 14:57
#12
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Trust Germany to lose yet another World War they started smh
2019-04-24 14:58
#14
bottle | 
Asia Ace_Y 
China always win never lose numba 1
2019-04-24 14:58
#157
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Germany hatrez 
Thats why you build the world largest wall?
2019-04-24 20:24
Since Calyx is looking for a team, I feel like BIG will make a full Turkish roster(I hope they won't)
2019-04-24 14:58
#13
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Nah they'll never drop to that level - there's not enough good turks without teams atm to justify it
2019-04-24 14:58
there is not even a single one. :)
2019-04-24 17:11
+1
2019-04-24 17:35
#158
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Germany hatrez 
xanta, calyx, paz, woxic the last could be anyone or tarik(US citizen) if he wants
2019-04-24 20:29
Xantares has a team, Woxic has a team, Tarik has a team Calyx isn’t better than anyone in BIG and paz isn’t any good at all
2019-04-24 21:45
#173
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Germany hatrez 
paz vs cloud9 watch paz's highlights.
2019-04-24 23:34
January 2018 - he’s had one good map in almost a year and a half and you expect me to think he’s good?
2019-04-24 23:45
#175
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Germany hatrez 
imo. paz is almost as good as calyx
2019-04-25 00:05
Neither of them are any good at all imo, but Calyx was at least relatively consistent and has shown that he's been good in the last 6 months
2019-04-25 00:26
hahahhahahahhaha nt erdogan
2019-04-25 07:16
#246
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Germany hatrez 
Nt hitler
2019-04-25 15:21
#15
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Turkey guduf 
Its just gob b is too washed up,he is a bad igl. He cant use his teammates well enough
2019-04-24 15:00
#19
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Potentially, but I don't like the idea of removing Gob from BIG. Also, I want to see him try with an international roster for once
2019-04-24 15:04
#133
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Latvia 4swen4 
gob b is good, and at least zeus lvl at aiming
2019-04-24 19:19
Nah he's not Zeus level - he's at least goodish, but not amazing
2019-04-24 19:33
dont minus nex if u are keeping xantares, but good one tbh
2019-04-24 15:01
#21
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
If Xantares learned to communicate he'd be fine Though if not they should go for suNny instead
2019-04-24 15:05
yea but u dont know if he will good after he learns german/english, nex is inconsistent but he seems to be ok for time being but yeah sunny would be a bad pickup
2019-04-24 15:07
#25
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Well he's an amazing player only holding his team back by not being able to communicate with his teammates, so given that he's good now I reckon he'll be better after Nex isn't as good as Xantares in game regardless of comms
2019-04-24 15:10
imo just bench xantares, let him learn english well and give him oppurnity to prove himself that hes as good as he was supposted to be
2019-04-24 15:12
#35
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
He's already proved himself individually - a 1.13 in a team where he can't communicate is nothing to sleep on Though for the sake of fixing the team, -Xantares +Smooya could work while he learns English
2019-04-24 15:14
#24
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Germany FlameSF2 
tizian > styko
2019-04-24 15:07
#27
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Flag checks out #22
2019-04-24 15:10
#40
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Germany FlameSF2 
tizian is way better in that role
2019-04-24 15:18
#42
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
I don't think he is Also, what experience does Tizian have in an international roster? Styko has spent practically his whole career in international rosters
2019-04-24 15:19
#135
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Latvia 4swen4 
flah checks out
2019-04-24 19:20
How so?
2019-04-24 19:35
Its only a map - they played well but they won’t do it consistently, remember that they lost to HR 2-1 the day before
2019-04-26 09:15
Kick xantares
2019-04-24 15:10
#31
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
If comms don't begin to pick up on Xantares' end, thats definitely what they should do "I'd support bringing in suNny, but as far as roles go its clear that they don't need him right now. Unless communications with Xantares become too difficult in the long term, they shouldn't need to be bringing him in." -Xantares +suNny if he can't learn English
2019-04-24 15:12
no they need to kick kebabtares
2019-04-24 15:11
#33
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
#31
2019-04-24 15:12
Any roster I see with Styko on it makes me cringe. The guy is just not good. Stop bringing his name up
2019-04-24 15:11
#37
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
#22
2019-04-24 15:14
I am not looking for another post of yours. Styko sucks and his stats prove it. They want to get better not get worse. Styko is no improvement over tizian. Facts are facts my friend
2019-04-24 15:20
#43
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Stats aren't everything in CSGO - he's often the bait or the guy who helps the rest of his team frag and he takes the poor positions in maps to get information, all of which make him look worse on paper. He's also very experienced with international rosters, which could help a lot
2019-04-24 15:21
First of all: "Stats aren't everything in CSGO - he's often the bait or the guy who helps the rest of his team frag and he takes the poor positions in maps to get information, all of which make him look worse on paper." This is exactly what describes tizian too. Secondly: "He's also very experienced with international rosters, which could help a lot" BIG wont go international, so doesnt matter. Also Tizians english is good and he has international experience too
2019-04-24 17:23
I’m not saying that Tizian is bad, I’m saying that Styko is better in that role Also, I know that they won’t go international, but I think that they should. Tizian can speak English well, like the rest of the Germans on the team, but Styko has a whole career of experience in EU teams unlike Tizian
2019-04-24 17:35
Did you even get that the communication problem fucked up BIG a lot since smooya joined and even more now with xantares?
2019-04-24 17:37
Yeah I know it fucked things initially with Smooya, but once they got used to calling in English they started to actually look like an amazing team The same will happen once Xan learns English, however that could take far too long
2019-04-24 17:42
#36
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Germany Deutschland! 
-nex +awper (smooya? maybe but he is overrated imo) BIG's biggest problem is the lack of an awper. 2nd biggest problem is the communication issue.
2019-04-24 15:14
#38
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
+1 I touched that on in the post - their main problems came about after Smooya left and was replaced by nex "-NEX +Smooya BIG need an AWPer, and TabseN is too good on rifles to waste on that role. If Smooya can keep confident and keep up his numbers, bringing him back to BIG would be the best thing for them as they performed so much better with him than they do without him." Should they go even further and become an international roster though?
2019-04-24 15:16
#137
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Latvia 4swen4 
smooya is good, tho i dont know if he isnt toxic, but maybe it helps because BIG did better with him
2019-04-24 19:21
+1
2019-04-24 19:35
#44
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Slovakia gayzera 
Berlin International Gaming they are not international
2019-04-24 15:23
#45
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
They should live up to their name a little more
2019-04-24 15:26
They said 1000 times that their core will stay german. Dont know what is wrong with you
2019-04-24 17:23
Oh I know they will, but is that their best idea?
2019-04-24 17:33
Best idea would have been to go full german at the end of the last year. As i said already before
2019-04-24 17:36
And that would have even great for them, but they wouldn’t be a Top 5 contender who can win big events
2019-04-24 17:40
No need to be a top 5 team, if you are a consistent top 10 team
2019-04-24 17:41
Being a Top 5 team is being better than being a Top 10 team Winning events is better than reasonable placements
2019-04-24 17:44
Xantares is the problem. -Can +Syrson Possibly -tizian +faven / denis / mirbit
2019-04-24 15:31
#47
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
So you think they should stay as a full German roster?
2019-04-24 15:37
#59
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India Noobdian1 
Yes
2019-04-24 16:27
#61
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
I can see the argument for it, but there just isn't enough upcoming or current talent to make a Top 5 contending team in the next few months
2019-04-24 16:28
#63
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India Noobdian1 
Idk men
2019-04-24 16:29
Your whole thread is irrelevant because they wont go international ever. Watch some interviews, streams or whatever
2019-04-24 17:25
#98
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Be that as it may, its not about whether or not they will its about whether it’d benefit them if they did
2019-04-24 17:32
Wasting money wouldnt benefit them. They can get a lot of revenue by german fans with a full german roster. The german market is very BIG and there is no good full german team in high tier, so it would benefit more if they go full german too
2019-04-24 17:35
It wouldn’t be a waste if they’d actually start winning events though Also, I appreciate the pun there
2019-04-24 17:39
Obviously.
2019-04-24 17:10
#99
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Bit of a silly question tbh
2019-04-24 17:33
#49
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United States BLNDSPT 
International teams have never won a major, if they stick with all german they'll be fine
2019-04-24 16:02
#51
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
German teams haven't won a major either There's hardly any upcoming German talent anymore - I think that nex and tizian should join Sprout to make them the supreme German team and BIG should go international
2019-04-24 16:16
There are great talents in the German scene atleast three can be solid t1-2 players Faven, syrson, mantuu And yes for me mantuu is a german talent and not polish or English cause he played his whole career in German teams Other decent talents : Slaxz, mirbit, k1to Even tho he chockes on lan events And oke other guy is Mali he is from Swiss sword for berzerk rn so yeah pretty bad team but he has solid stats They lost all their last 6 maps and he still averaged a 0.96 rating and i saw him play he is decent should get picked by expert or some other t4 German team to get some experience
2019-04-24 16:30
#66
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Personally I think that Sprout should be the best German team. Nex and tizian could replace denis and mirbit and they could potentially become Top 10. Mantuu is one of the better AWPers in the German scene rn, along with Syrson, and I can see him joining BIG to help fix their problem of having no AWPer. However, the talent pool for international players is much much bigger and BIG could gain so much more from taking that leap. Having some solid T1-2 players isn't enough for BIG to become a Top 5 contender
2019-04-24 16:35
I would already be happy if they would make top 10 again :) So yeah I don’t think denis is the problem the only person you could maybe change in sprout is mirbit but even that is risky because they are doing great rn And for big I would just love to see mantuu go to big but I think he is to unexperienced so yeah why not go international What would have been a great team: Gobb igl Awp woxic Tabsen entry Issa lurker Tizian support Solid top 10
2019-04-24 16:41
#72
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Woxic and Issa won't join, but I like that roster - lots of firepower and star players
2019-04-24 16:43
Of course they won’t but before woxic joined mouz some people third he would maybe go to big with xantares so And isaaa i just love that dude Awesome player made his own way and seems very nice
2019-04-24 18:13
+1
2019-04-24 19:06
Seems like you have no clue about the german scene. There are good enough talents like syrson, faven, slaxz or ayken to play with a german roster
2019-04-24 17:26
#97
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United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
But that roster will never be a contender for Top 5 like an international roster could be
2019-04-24 17:32
No need to reach top 5 with wasting millions of euros first. You also could only reach a top 5 team with kicking every player except tabsen out of the team. The rest isnt good enough for top 5
2019-04-24 17:34
Xan could be if he learns English, and Gob could be the man to lead them there
2019-04-24 17:38
Not in this team. The invention of him fucked up the whole working system of BIG
2019-04-24 17:40
The invention of Gob or Xan?
2019-04-24 17:43
xantares into gob bs system
2019-04-24 17:43
I can see that argument - the main issue with him is his communication though, his talent allows him to almost be a star player who can do his own thing to open up sites for the team at times
2019-04-24 17:46
#186
jks | 
Australia horizone 
i mean once you actually give young talents like faven & syrson a chance they could develope to be a top5 team, maybe not in the near future, but after a while this for sure could be possible
2019-04-25 07:43
I just can’t see that happening - Top 10 sure but they’ll never challenge the elite teams
2019-04-25 08:52
Top 5-10 is probabaly the best Germany can do getting to playoffs in big events and stuff like that I think nobody wants more from big
2019-04-25 09:14
But with an international roster like the one I proposed they could challenge teams like NaVi, FaZe, even Liquid after a few months of practice. The best German team they can make would be 8-12 at best, maybe slipping into 7th once or twice
2019-04-25 09:18
Don’t like the idea of the international one to be honest just would love a German team in top 10 So imo Gobb igl Syrson awp Tabsen entry Faven lurker Tizian support They wouldn’t be top 10 of rn they need time to develop for sure but in 6-9 months I see them getting it And when gobb retires after Two years or so and goes coach the roster should Look like this : Tabsen igl second entry Syrson main awp Mantuu entry/ second awp Faven lurker Tizian support You can maybe get k1to instead of mantuu whoever develops better in the next time I think if they will all develop to their best this team could be top 5-10
2019-04-25 09:27
8-12 at best - German CS will never be in the Top 5 and will never be able to consistently challenge the elite teams
2019-04-25 09:29
Yeah not top 5 but 7-10 that’s totally enough for us Germans
2019-04-25 09:32
I just feel like they could be something more as an international roster Honestly this is mostly me thinking that Xantares and Tabsen deserve better but still
2019-04-25 09:47
Yeah xanti should leave for sure and go to some international team herllraiser mouz faze something like that But I think Tabsen likes to play in a German team ecspecially toegther with gobb and wouldn’t feel as confident as he does rn
2019-04-25 10:42
The way that I’m looking at it is that there are two amazing star players in a poor roster that cares more about being the best in Germany than being able to compete on the level that they (Xan and tabseN) are capable of and they should build an international team around them to help them achieve this
2019-04-25 11:30
Yeah I unteratadn your point man but I don’t think Tabsen wants to join an international roster I guess he already got the chance in the past
2019-04-25 11:32
Potentially yeah As long as theres a great German team (Sprout) and another class international team I’m happy
2019-04-25 11:34
And he didn’t join them he stayed in big and as I said I think that’s what he wants and where he feels comfortable
2019-04-25 11:34
Its a shame because he could achieve so much more
2019-04-25 11:40
Yeah maybe but good for the German scene in one point I guess Maybe when gobb retires and the new big won’t work out maybe then he would leave but I don’t think he will be as good as now then
2019-04-25 12:31
+1
2019-04-26 09:38
#50
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
haha, like suNny would join a team like big
2019-04-24 16:04
#52
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Better than his current team though Besides, FaZe don't want him right now and ENCE don't need him, so his best bet is to join a new international roster
2019-04-24 16:17
#53
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
which current team? He is on mouz' bench
2019-04-24 16:18
#54
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Exactly
2019-04-24 16:18
#55
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
BIG is better than mouz? hahaha
2019-04-24 16:19
#56
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Big's starting roster better than Mouz' bench I'd rather play in an upcoming international roster (Like the one I proposed for BIG) than sit on the bench of Mouz
2019-04-24 16:20
#57
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yeah, sure... wasted talent.. the question is, would BIG be able to pay the buyout
2019-04-24 16:25
#58
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Not yet, no After a few events and decent results with the team in #1 they could build up some funds and then consider buying him if Xantares' communication still causes issues for the team Also, if a team like Mouz or FaZe decide to buy out TabseN they could use the funds from that transfer to replace him with suNny
2019-04-24 16:27
#65
oskarJ | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
yeah maybe.. but why should mouz buy out tabseN if they can just get suNny back to their starting roster.. i still think the most likely scenario for suNny is that he'll replace someone of the current five in mouz' lineup in the near future.. (e.g. chrisJ)
2019-04-24 16:31
#67
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
suNny didn't agree with the way the team was going - I don't think he liked the roles he was expected to play/karrigan's leadership Also, TabseN is better imo
2019-04-24 16:36
Gob B Coach and instead of him awp player
2019-04-24 16:27
#62
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Who would IGL? Also, who would communicate with Xantares in the short term?
2019-04-24 16:29
Tabsen would, he is learning from gob and will take the igl spot in big if gob retires, they said this in a interview some time ago
2019-04-24 17:19
#96
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Thats fair enough if they didn’t have Xan, but inly Gob b speaks Turkish so while he doesn’t know English atm the inly way he can communicate is through Gob
2019-04-24 17:31
Adding faven and syrson at the end of the last year would have been the best possible sollution. Now its all fucked up and wont end in a full german roster ever again. They wont kick xantares, because they are fanboying him and want to give him more time
2019-04-24 16:36
#69
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Agreed, that would have been the best option if they wanted to be full-German. Xantares will be amazing for them if he learns English though, he could be a key player in their international roster as a star entry fragger
2019-04-24 16:39
no -xantares obv he is the problem in any not turkish speaking roster.
2019-04-24 16:48
#78
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
He's learning the language, its worth persevering for a player of his talents
2019-04-24 17:03
I would love to see - xantares + keev
2019-04-24 16:52
yes, if they want to win tournaments.
2019-04-24 17:06
#92
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
+1
2019-04-24 17:28
#80
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Germany GoBIG0rGoHome 
i would rather say let xantares take german lessons on long term starting up now and then replace gob with syrson and have a full german speaking lineup
2019-04-24 17:07
#93
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Who would IGL?
2019-04-24 17:28
tabsen ... they already said gob is teaching it to tabsen and he will take over the IGL when gob retires
2019-04-24 18:44
I didn't know that, my bad In which case, -Gob b +suNny in the International roster
2019-04-24 19:06
you couldnt know it ... it was on a 99damage podcast/interview with gob (in german) how you mean it?
2019-04-24 19:07
Ah fair enough - glad I know now though See #1 and #124
2019-04-24 19:08
if they would go international i would still stay with 3 germans at least to stay german based and dont become mouz #2 .... so tabsen tizian nex xantares chrisj/sunny/smooya/maybe even try someone like D0cc (they havent got anything to loose tho) depends on if tabsen really wanna be the awp
2019-04-24 19:13
For me thats still keeping the team German - I mean like a team with no core from one nation, like Mouz or FaZe TabseN is the best German player and a great Rifler, suNny and Xantares are world class riflers and suNny is looking for a team, smooya is already on BIG’s books and is a strong AWPer, and styko is one of the best supports in World CS atm
2019-04-24 19:17
yeah but why should big go that international ... they want to be the team to look up in germany and especially they are 3 former mouz players who dont want to make this again i think
2019-04-24 19:18
Maybe they should give up on trying to be the best German team as they've been that for ages and haven't set the world alight As long as they keep a German player they can still get German CS to the top level
2019-04-24 19:32
the thing is if they go international completely and loose the german core they will loose like all the fans who came from mouz because they backstabbed german cs ... and those are a lot actually
2019-04-24 19:36
As long as they keep the best German player I'm sure that a good portion will stay
2019-04-24 19:38
not really ... mouz lost nearly all german fans even while they still had spiidi and denis and tabsn was irrelevant at this point in NRG
2019-04-24 20:10
Fair enough then Us UK fans mostly started following BIG as you had out golden boy Smooya, wondered if it was the same
2019-04-24 20:33
No, I think they should stay all German. Taking smooya was a mistake and now taking Xantares may also not benefit them. I would take another DE player for xantares even though he's a beast. they have tabsen who is already firepower god.
2019-04-24 17:13
#94
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
Maybe Mantuu ir Syrson? While this would make them a great German team, I can’t see them being a Top 5 contender
2019-04-24 17:29
Top10 is fine. There can't be 30 teams in top5. People here try to fix every team to make them top5 but they don't realize there is only 5 spots in top5 and there's always 1 winner of a tournament. If a team doesn't win a tournament it doesn't mean they have to make changes to win the next one.
2019-04-24 18:10
+1 However, there's nothing wrong with having the ambition to try and win events and to push to challenge those teams in the Top 5, something they cannot do with their current roster
2019-04-24 19:05
they made huge mistake by prefering tabsen as an awper over smooya...
2019-04-24 17:26
#95
OASIS | 
United Kingdom OneBinG_ 
+1
2019-04-24 17:30
#128
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Germany zeolikk 
they already are international kinda
2019-04-24 19:14
Still got a German core, but I see your point
2019-04-24 19:17
#134
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Germany zeolikk 
I don't think an international team is what they need, I guess communication is one of BIGs biggest flaws, since they're all not native English speakers and XANTARES can barely even speak English. They should get some players from Sprout and try a full German roster imo
2019-04-24 19:19
#138
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Germany AP)) 
Sprout > BIG 2019
2019-04-24 19:21
#139
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Germany zeolikk 
I agree, but if Sprout and BIG mix together they could make a German superteam
2019-04-24 19:22
I'd like to see the likes of Nex and Tizian join Sprout and for BIG to go in a different direction (International)
2019-04-24 19:34
#187
jks | 
Australia horizone 
who would nex and tizian replace in sprout tho?
2019-04-25 07:49
Maybe denis and mirbit? Keeping the IGL (spiidi) as well as the best German AWPer (syrsoN) and the best up-coming German talent (faveN) along with the best German support (tizian) and the best German entry (nex) would make them a pretty solid German roster
2019-04-25 08:55
#262
jks | 
Australia horizone 
fair enough, really like this idea
2019-04-26 15:37
+1
2019-04-26 17:14
They won't win big events as a full German roster
2019-04-24 19:34
#162
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Germany hatrez 
So siehts aus. Der Türke kann zwar spielen aber unterm Strich verstehen tun sich die Jungs nicht. Würde ihn freistellen und mirbit nehmen.
2019-04-24 20:34
#163
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Germany zeolikk 
syrsoN would be better imo and make tabseN play rifle again
2019-04-24 20:35
#155
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Iran Xanbibi 
This is a beautiful roster change ngl
2019-04-24 20:21
+1
2019-04-24 20:33
#156
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Denmark oskarsports 
the only thing they have to do is -nex +smooya
2019-04-24 20:22
Thats the main thing yeah Theres more they can do after to make the team stronger imo
2019-04-24 20:34
tabsen nex tizian denis buff keev gob coach
2019-04-24 20:36
Keev omegalul Denis isn’t good enough either The best German scene roster would have Mantuu or Syrson AWPing and FaveN or someone young instead of Denis
2019-04-24 21:43
they should rather go back to full german. the communication is obv a huge problem considering their radical theoretically playstyle
2019-04-25 00:09
With gob b as the IGL yeah, but if they're all communicating in English it could still work too. The problem with Xan being in the roster is that he doesn't know how to communicate in English yet
2019-04-25 00:34
the thing is, gob b`s style is very complicated, everything is planned from start to end, they become inflexible trough it and somehow lose a bit their ingame-instinct trough to tunnel-vision. i dotn think anymore they will succeed with gob but language barriers make it even worse. even the communication between the germans suffers it seems. Xantares has good aim but it isnt worth it in this situation imo. i think -xantares +syrson would be a good step since tabsen is a wasted player on the awp anyways
2019-04-25 00:40
If they want to go back to speaking German then that is absolutely their best choice, unless they take a risk on Mantuu and it pays off Under Tabsen’s leadership however, I can see it being looser and allowing for more individual brilliance and that would benefit the proposed international lineuo
2019-04-25 00:46
Taking out tizian is a much bigger move then a lot of people realize. He plays the hardest support role I think in the world when it comes to T side. He is always the guy that sacrifices himself for the fake and is not given the best chance to look like an amazing player. You can get better fraggers then him but it would be hard to find someone play all the hard roles like he does
2019-04-25 00:38
Im ok with kicking nex tho, but I would get syrson more for communication and let him finally get a chance to play with a bigger org
2019-04-25 00:39
Maybe yeah, but I’d rather have Smooya and take the roster in an international direction
2019-04-25 00:44
#218
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Germany 1112Leon 
Flag checks out
2019-04-25 10:06
+1 They were really good with Smooya though, after he was benched they never hit the same peaks
2019-04-25 11:28
I wouldn’t have kicked him for a fragger, I opted to replace him with another player who plays the hard hard support role very well in Styko - he also has more experience in this kind of roster
2019-04-25 00:43
-nex +smooya
2019-04-25 09:12
Thats the main change that needs to happen - nex should join Sprout imo and take his experience to help develop players like faveN
2019-04-25 09:20
+1
2019-04-25 16:20
Gob b is seeking for new ways to ver more benefit from Xantares. When Xantares first came to BIG, he played as entry and had position close to Tabsen since there was already an Awper in the team (Smooya). Now, In EPL, he is playing as Lurker on T sides. What I mean is, Gob b is still unsure about how to use Xantares's full potential. Here, my idea is: -Nex +an Awper And use Tabsen as second fragger
2019-04-25 09:20
+1 However more changes could make the team better in the long term
2019-04-25 09:23
#203
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
GobB should retire some good kills vs ex 3dmax isn't enough.
2019-04-25 09:19
Theres more to CS than being a high-fragging player
2019-04-25 09:23
#217
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
And? His IGL is to straight. He is old and will not improve anything at high international level. For national he is good enough. Also it makes sense to let tabsen IGL. Because if he does it now he has time to grow
2019-04-25 10:02
I’d support tabseN leading the international lineup, but not the German lineup. If you’re keeping BIG full-German, Gob b is the leader
2019-04-25 11:27
#211
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Sweden Akoulad 
They are international lmaoooooo
2019-04-25 09:49
You get what I mean though - a team with no core of all one nation
2019-04-25 11:39
#215
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Finland James Nelson 
Yes, or no, dont really care unless xantares stays then I wish they go international. What a waste it would be to xantares to learn german and not english
2019-04-25 09:58
+1
2019-04-25 11:38
#216
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Germany 1112Leon 
Gob b tabseN tiziaN nex syrsoN/ keev Tell me one reason, why they need styko. They need an AWPer and german communication.
2019-04-25 10:01
If they were to go international, they would benefit more from Styko or kioShiMa than tizian If they stay German, tiziaN is just as good in that team as the others would be in an international team SyrsoN/mantuu replacing Xantares and taking the team back to being German-speaking would also make them a decent 8-12 roster
2019-04-25 11:38
#219
Snax | 
Europe sesports 
if international STYKO flusha kioShiMa smooya tabseN
2019-04-25 10:07
#232
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Sweden WALLEXZ 
+1
2019-04-25 11:35
I actually forgot about kioShiMa ngl -styko +suNny and sure, thats probably even better than my rosters
2019-04-25 11:35
yes, german cs is trash
2019-04-25 10:44
+1
2019-04-25 11:38
#234
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Europe andy_ 
Fuck yes.
2019-04-25 11:36
+1
2019-04-25 11:38
#241
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Russia deadforest 
No. Just -XANTARES +syrsoN.
2019-04-25 11:52
I can see that working too - what about mantuu as a potential option?
2019-04-26 09:35
#256
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Russia deadforest 
Would be better for him to play in a Polish team.
2019-04-26 09:37
Though he plays in a German team and presumably speaks German
2019-04-26 09:38
Which polish team should he join the German teams are not the beat but still better then polish ones
2019-04-26 09:42
#244
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United States ClickHole 
BOYCOTT XANTARES
2019-04-25 12:42
Comms are a clear issue, but he’s debatably their best player. Is it not worth sticking with?
2019-04-26 09:36
#260
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United States ClickHole 
Communication is one of the most important things in competitive play, so he needs to pickup the English language quickly or he risks bringing down his team
2019-04-26 10:14
+1
2019-04-26 11:22
They should follow in the steps of mouz when they we're the best german team - drop the germans to find success lmao
2019-04-26 09:18
That was my logic tbh
2019-04-26 09:36
-tizian -nex and more adderall for gob b ez fix
2019-04-26 09:28
The German scene would live on through Sprout
2019-04-26 09:37
#264
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France mdK_ 
-tiziaN +syrsoN ez
2019-04-26 17:15
Thats a terrible idea - his role is vital to the team, they need to keep him as he’s the best dedicated support for this team unless they go international and grab styko
2019-04-26 17:27
#267
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France mdK_ 
They don't have dedicated awper and gob b can be support better with his XP, tiziaN bottomfragging, not useful, no good stuff
2019-04-26 17:28
They need a dedicated AWPer, but kicking a key player in a key role isn’t how they should get one
2019-04-26 17:29
#271
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France mdK_ 
0.93 rating bad flashes, like I said gob b is IGL, he is better fragging than him, that proves how he can be bad gob b has the experience to throw good nades
2019-04-26 17:30
If Tizian was so bad they’d have kicked him a long time ago, but they understand how vital he is to Gob b’s system and they’ll never remove him
2019-04-26 17:31
#265
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France mdK_ 
don't kick nex he's a beast
2019-04-26 17:19
0.99 in the last 3 months If you wanna keep NEX and go back to speaking German, kick xantares and get mantuu or syrsoN
2019-04-26 17:28
#269
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France mdK_ 
like I said -tiziaN +syrsoN -nex +k1to then
2019-04-26 17:28
Don’t kick the support because ‘sTaTs bAD pLAyEr BaD’ -xantares +mantuu/syrsoN
2019-04-26 17:30
#277
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France mdK_ 
-nex +syrsoN that's all XANTARES > nex for entry syrsoN > tabseN for AWP
2019-04-26 17:47
+1 The only reason I’d suggest keeping Xan is because of the communication difficulty as he hardly speaks English and doesn’t speak German
2019-04-26 17:48
#279
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France mdK_ 
He is learning Geman, I think in 6 months they speak German They wanna and will keep him
2019-04-26 17:50
+1
2019-04-26 18:12
#285
k0nfig | 
Turkey aesky 
tizian is OK bro, when i watch big matches i only see him drop his fucking weapons to either xantares or tabsen and play p250 or cz. i think he is doing a very good job considering he isnt the main one with the rifles
2019-04-26 18:16
He’s a great player in his role, I just feel that Styko is the glue that a lot of international teams need to stick due to his experience and impressive in-game communications
2019-04-30 11:22
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