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Why NaVi never won major?
botyara | 
Europe kick_flamie_ffs 
simple answer - because of flamie. This guy got shit menality, just look zeus won major with gaybits but can't win with NaVi. The only player form old roster remaining is flamie. And don't say edward, he won a lot of titles at 1.6 and is very calm and good for team morale Just kick this fat piece of shit and ez major
2019-05-04 18:48
#1
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Ukraine illinoize 
name checks out plastic fan
2019-05-04 18:49
i'm not fan of NaVi untill they kick flamie and add sdy
2019-05-04 18:50
#5
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Ukraine illinoize 
why'd you care so much about navi and their majors if you arent a fan delusional
2019-05-04 18:50
i care about s1mple he's wasting his prime time with shit team and got only 1 top tier title
2019-05-04 18:51
#10
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Ukraine illinoize 
navi are gonna shuffle roster after next major anyway, just stop shitting on a guy
2019-05-04 18:52
if they won't kick flamie this time i'll will be cheering against them every time
2019-05-04 18:53
Navi will keep simple and tronic and Edward or flamie
2019-05-04 19:21
s1mple if he won't leave by himself electronic 100% cuz he got no opinions in other teams (family, no english knowledge) zeus retires this year edward wants to play so thats like 70% NaVi will keep him cuz of his experience and calmness so he can help young players flamie is just pure shit atm, unmotivated, tilted kid - first candidate for kick so just -zeus -flamie and there is high % s1mple leaves too
2019-05-04 19:24
edward is supposed to retire too after this year
2019-05-04 20:01
no he said that he want to play futher
2019-05-04 20:35
He won’t
2019-05-04 21:14
he will
2019-05-04 21:15
if he can keep his current form he will stay not many can replace him IF he can keep playing the same as the last few months.
2019-05-04 22:13
yes cause if NaVi wants to be top tier team they need at least one experienced calm guy to calm tits of youngsters like s1mple and elec
2019-05-04 22:16
#115
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Sweden shonk 
lol.talking about mentality while being a big fan of s1mple lol navi will never win a major until s1mple will stop acting like a 12 yo kid. every time he goes live to play some fpl hes always crying like a bish. u r talking about things u dont know (if flamie tilts while playing t1 tourn) and didnt say a single word about edwards perfomance and his ind skill for the last year. flamie > edward. we already know, that navi considered to kick him. and if he will not step up in the near future - navi will kick him and sign a good, young, talented player
2019-05-04 21:09
again this russian talking shit omg
2019-05-04 21:09
#117
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Sweden shonk 
good answer my friend nothing to say, as always
2019-05-04 21:12
i'd say that edward is worse skillwise but better for team morale and much more experienced and he's still playing better than flamie atm despite of his harder role
2019-05-04 21:13
#126
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Sweden shonk 
team morale lol hes not even talking feels like s1mple was always displeased with edwards/zeus's ind skill i saw way too many clips where s1mple screams at edward and zeus xD but ur info about flamie is not true tho, stop lying. they considered to kick edward, not flamie. s1mple dont like to play with edward/zeus feels like.
2019-05-04 21:21
#128
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Sweden shonk 
it doesnt really matter tbh. i would prefer to kick every1 except s1mple and elec xD
2019-05-04 21:22
and to get who as igl? my predicion for ur answer is jame xdd
2019-05-04 21:24
#149
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Sweden shonk 
nah. i cant imagine navi w/o zeus
2019-05-04 21:49
and yes NaVi considered to kick flamie before epl few weeks ago
2019-05-04 21:14
#112
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Sweden shonk 
xd
2019-05-04 21:08
#113
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Ukraine illinoize 
wrong reply?
2019-05-04 21:05
#114
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Sweden shonk 
ye, srry
2019-05-04 21:06
Two ruski fighting and no Cyka blyat Feelsbadman
2019-05-07 01:07
He's somehow true, flamie is a very unstable person, he easily got tilted if something go wrong, also very inconsistent individually
2019-05-04 18:52
#13
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Ukraine illinoize 
come on, flamie is a pussy look at him? how can he be angry.
2019-05-04 18:53
Didn't say he's angry. He just get tilted if something wrong and then play like shit when it nedeed the most
2019-05-04 18:54
pussies can be tilted and cry every time ))
2019-05-04 18:54
#18
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Ukraine illinoize 
expected answer mr ))) go back to runet, there are no mens here
2019-05-04 18:55
#2
fnx | 
Sweden Blicky 
Na`Vi - only 2 players from core Zeus won major, only Edward not So literally 50% of Na`Vi got it, stop shit on god flamie
2019-05-04 18:49
which core? you mean 2011 9years old core? lmfao
2019-05-04 18:50
#8
fnx | 
Sweden Blicky 
Ye, respect my glory, pussy ass bitch
2019-05-04 18:51
retard, edward was 2x world champion in 1.6, was top4 player flamie 0 world champion and top15 at his prime
2019-05-04 18:52
Edward and navi won 4 majors in a row in 1.6
2019-05-04 21:26
#3
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Sweden b8police 
you mean s1mple answer??
2019-05-04 18:49
BeCuz ukrainans are trash
2019-05-04 18:52
nt Mustafa
2019-05-04 18:55
Ukrainians (hohols )disrespectefull ugly people Navi kicked Zeus Gambit picked Zeus and helped him after Major (they won lucky )Zeus leaves Gambit and returned Navi that he was kicked Zeus is a ungrateful men
2019-05-04 19:56
+1 men
2019-05-04 20:14
1. Zeus was the main reason why Na`Vi and Gambit were good. Wanna proof? Just check performances of both teams with Zeus and without Zeus. Ez math. 2. Zeus left Gambit, cuz Gambit players became cocky after they won a Major and they decided to kick Kane (their coach and Zeus' friend who helped Zeus in very hard times). 3. Zeus asked them to stop this flame and to keep Kane. They just won a Major so kicking someone was very stupid idea. But Gambit players were too arrogant so Zeus put them an ultimatum. He said that if they gonna kick Kane, Zeus as his friend will go with him. 4. They kicked Kane so Zeus went with him. And Na`Vi did their proposal to both. They were EXTREMELY happy to join Na`Vi. 5. Na`Vi became top2 team again with Zeus and Kane. 6. Gambit turned into tier4 garbage like they were before Zeus.
2019-05-04 20:41
+1
2019-05-04 21:58
1.Gambot won Major by chance 2.Gambit players wanted kicked and after Zeus left gambit ?this is no reason to leave This is business he acted like a little kid 3.And why he returned to the team wich they kicked him ?Zeus has no honor 4.Gambit helped him after kick paid him belived him Zeus threw them like puppies 5.Can Zeus win any tournament with low skilled players&? without S1mple? Electron? Guardian ?Flaimie ? Gambit(mou and Hobbit ) S1mple top1 only one reason wich Navi is winning tier2 tournament 6.Clown9 won major to where are they now ?and how they pleyed after the major yes like gambots !because they won major lucky like gambots 7.Zeus is ungrateful.evry hohols are ungrateful 8.Crimea is Russia
2019-05-04 22:05
Not sure if you are trolling or mentally ill...
2019-05-04 22:15
Why do you say that because you are Ukrainian?or you are fangay of Navi ? Why you so love Zeus because you are ukrainian ? Clawn9=Gambit
2019-05-04 22:19
So you are mentally ill... Mkay.
2019-05-04 22:45
and you are disrespectful hohols are disrespectful I hate them I hope Ukraine will be destroied by Russian
2019-05-04 22:08
Muslims..
2019-05-04 21:57
Its not about my religion dumbass?
2019-05-04 21:58
Didn’t you just say Ukrainian you pedophile pig?
2019-05-04 22:40
Still no connection hoe
2019-05-04 23:47
Yeah that’s probably all the pus you get mate whores, little boys and goats. Such a variety you immigrant cunt.
2019-05-07 01:00
0/8 flamie is actually the one who is consistently performing well in majors
2019-05-04 18:54
lol set ur ruski flag already plz why be ashamed of ur country?
2019-05-04 18:55
im not ruski but im not as braindead as you...
2019-05-04 18:55
ofc and he gets lower ratings than s1mple every major plus major is 1 time half a year, the rest time he sucks hard
2019-05-04 18:56
ok now i know that you are braindead. cg
2019-05-04 18:57
#82
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Lithuania Mr|Julius 
Are you retarded lmao? You want them to win the major so why are you writting "major is 1 time half a year, the rest time he sucks hard" . then second ofcourse he is going to perform worse than simple its fkin simple nobody performs better than him lol flamie though performs better than zeus and edward most of the time and sometimes but rarely outperforms elec. Flamie is not the reason why they are lossing its their teamwork they clearly have almost non of it compared to other top teams thats why navi is so inconsistent as well cause they almost always play with their aim instead of teamwork and only elec and simple can do that consistently
2019-05-04 19:37
he's trash anyway
2019-05-04 18:56
i can agree that he is inconsistent and weak link since he was forced to play more supportive role but statement that navi didnt win major bcs of him is literally retarded
2019-05-04 18:56
yes, it's far more complex than that, the problem is deeper indeed
2019-05-04 18:59
agree with that...but my point is that this topic is about navi and majors and flamie was the second best player in navi) in majors in 2017, 2018 and 2019 after s1mple
2019-05-04 19:03
he's mentally ill
2019-05-04 19:03
no, you are
2019-05-04 19:03
nt ruski
2019-05-04 19:04
Fucking desperate attention seeking whore
2019-05-04 21:16
ur mom?
2019-05-04 21:16
You XDXD
2019-05-04 21:23
#143
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Ukraine Alhambra 
Dude did you hear yourself? Electronic in 2019 leaves after ESL One Cologne and Zeus, most likely, behind him, and this is the main reason why NaVi will not win the major. But NaVi is a team from the CIS, and for it morality is less important in tournaments. why are you a schoolboy
2019-05-04 21:36
interesting, I wonder how it works for him seems like he only gets motivated for that sweet-sweet major trophy lol
2019-05-04 19:04
who knows...but he surely isnt the reason behind navi and 0 majors...
2019-05-04 19:05
I heard a few times some parts of their teamspeak and, boy, It wasn't even remotely like it should be in a professional team.. don't really know how it works in Astralis or Liquid, but in Na'Vi it just sounds awful in my opinion no wonder how they do some stupid shit in official matches with info like that
2019-05-04 19:11
axaxaxaxaxaxaaxaxa
2019-05-04 19:23
check stats mong
2019-05-04 19:24
Okay I will, mong.
2019-05-04 19:26
you should...mong
2019-05-04 19:27
I will... mong.
2019-05-04 19:27
mong
2019-05-04 19:29
Okay I'm sorry, I lied, I didn't check it. Mong.
2019-05-04 19:33
bcs you are mong...nothing new
2019-05-04 19:36
Because there is nothing to check, Flamie, you mong.
2019-05-04 19:41
mong confirmed...over and over again
2019-05-04 19:41
False. Mong.
2019-05-04 19:41
and again
2019-05-04 19:41
False.
2019-05-04 19:42
and again
2019-05-04 19:42
#20
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Finland Jodecast 
Zeus,flamie and edward 3Bots
2019-05-04 18:55
zeus won major with trash players, so he is not really problem he is bad individually for tier1 but godlike IGL if he got right players
2019-05-04 18:58
#34
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Finland Jodecast 
Zeus wins major when every single team is in slump, just think about it, fucking big and virtus pro could have been at that final, says it all about the cs level of that time Zeus godlike igl? Have you ever seen a video of his calls? Actually garbage if you ask me youtu.be/jm6eeGtOjCE?t=177 And if he is so fucking good igl, why cant they almost never win anything when they have the BEST FUCKING PLAYER in the world on the team hard carrying and still losing and almost never winning.
2019-05-04 19:05
You better don't talk shit about Zeus, he proved himself by history. Any team who kicked him insta became tier4 garbage. (Ex.: Na`Vi became top8 and were top2, Gambit became tier4 team and were tier1 who won Major).
2019-05-04 20:44
NaVi become top17 tier2 team i believe
2019-05-04 21:16
How stupid of a fan can you be to actually defend DEadward, I mean we’re literally talking about the guy back in the final in London that put up probably the single worst major final performance ever
2019-05-04 21:21
i just say that edward > flamie atm in terms of impact for the team his role is not to frag but create space for electronic and s1mple, their star players but flamies job is only to do kills and he fails it in like 80% matches tbh edward got terrible matches sometimes too, be he is improving atm
2019-05-04 21:23
I think both of those players need to get the hell off Navi
2019-05-04 21:26
i agree but flamie deserves kick more however i'd like to see NaVi buying out sdy and coldyy1 from spirit sdy is good clutcher, 2 times fpl winner, coldyy1 is good support and can awp aswell
2019-05-04 21:27
I mean they could also look at players from Avangar. Like Jame would be a great addition
2019-05-04 21:28
jame won't work with s1mple in one team trust me he got the same position as s1mple and baiting much more, i seldom see him winning a clutch Only if s1mple gives up on awping and clutching and let jame awp and save while rifling and entryfragging himself
2019-05-04 21:31
Yeah see that’s what I thought would benefit the team the most is if simple put down the awp mainly but picked it up from time to time when they wanted to do a double awp set up
2019-05-04 21:32
the problem that jame is baiting but he can't clutch like s1mple he always last and he either saving or dying
2019-05-04 21:33
and i saw few jame's streams and he seem to be toxic when he losing his typical excuse is "i hate this map, what a shit" or blaming his teammates
2019-05-04 21:32
Oh I had no idea he was toxic. Yea not good
2019-05-04 21:32
And like it wasn’t just like your regular bad performance we’re talking like this guy look like he was on drugs during the final he was so bad
2019-05-04 21:22
If you’re so blind that you still haven’t realize the problem is the people running navi, man then you’re so delusional
2019-05-04 21:22
#146
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Finland Jodecast 
so you just ignored everything I said
2019-05-04 21:44
+1 Edward and Zeus actually bot
2019-05-04 19:58
flamie always steps up in majors double ace b mirage :O check his ratings... electronic slept during last major cuz he became a father or bcz of some other reason.. last last major in final vs astralis simple slept :((( not flamie dont blame him ffs
2019-05-04 18:59
i say that flamie is shit mentally and btw he sucks the whole year and then suddenly steps up at major
2019-05-04 19:01
no bro navi is perfect as it is... the only thing that needs to change is zeus spliting in anti-eco rounds and dying to pistol giving rifles to opposition for them to win :( happnd vs ence which started their comeback :((
2019-05-04 19:09
NaVi didn't get a single chance vs astralis anyway i think its good they lost to ence in intensive battle, vs astralis in grand final it would be like 16-7 16-5
2019-05-04 19:18
yes it would have been 16-7 but what i am saying is flamie has no part in it..it was zeus silly mistake..why such hate against him ?
2019-05-04 19:18
OMEGALUL
2019-05-04 19:02
Yes -flamie
2019-05-04 19:04
so bad
2019-05-04 19:11
NaVi always will have at least two Russian players as it's a part of positioning of the team in face of sponsors. Russian fans must be covered and involved and this won't be possible without Russian players. Same goes for Gambit and other CIS teams
2019-05-04 19:12
+1
2019-05-04 19:13
NaVi 2010 full ukr still a lot of sponsors you just need to be successful to have good sponsors and that russian NaVi sponsors like gg.bet is pure shit lul
2019-05-04 19:14
It's absolutely not the matter if the sponsor is Russian company or not. It's a matter of marketing coverage. Each sponsor pays for reaching team audience - more audience - better sales. Shit sponsor is nonesense, until it pays.
2019-05-04 19:19
so how mouz is top tier org with mix players? and you say that ruskis won't cheer for ukrainian team? and btw NaVi got a lot of european fans
2019-05-04 19:21
Mouz's national coverage involves EU audience which is similarly mixed
2019-05-04 19:26
navi can have eu players but if electronic learn english
2019-05-04 19:26
EU market is one of the sweetest piece of a cake and teams like Faze, Mouz and even HR are trying to reach a good share of it. But NaVi plays CIS league and this won't be changed near soon.
2019-05-04 19:31
and good team won't be without sponsors anyway if NaVi would be top1 full ukr team they'll still got a lot of sponsors
2019-05-04 19:28
Every enterprise aim for growth and not for surviving. Policy don't work much here. If you're a better manager than current NaVi head - go and offer yourself to the team owner.
2019-05-04 19:36
i would say ruskies still would cheer for NaVi cuz when i see vk posts they seem to be crazy fans of s1mple and much more than russian electronic
2019-05-04 19:40
I'm done here, have a nice time.
2019-05-04 19:41
ah forgot to say that cis fanbase is worst fanbase in terms of adequacy when they lose their 50 rubles school lunch they shit on team few days
2019-05-04 19:46
#103
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Russia Hellyer 
also, we have many nationalists hoping for a full Ukrainian squad
2019-05-04 20:01
I bet there are russian players better than flamie
2019-05-04 19:16
NaVi need sdy, no fucking ruskis
2019-05-04 19:18
yea, sdy is good player
2019-05-04 19:20
Player is a part of the team in terms of internal tactical cooperation and other things like psychological comfort. Until the team stands high (keeps win alot) - each player brings money. Noone will cut gold eggs chicken.
2019-05-04 19:23
#178
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Ukraine mortydefiled 
so u say that avangar is being cheered by russians only because of jame? lul 10iq logic
2019-05-04 23:55
So, you're asking me a question based on your own guess and rate an answer even not having it yet. 0/8 My words are based on simple fact of CIS teams roster. Great majority of them are of mixed flags. Russian fans supported Virtus.Pro massively when it had successful Polish roster, also many of them supports EU, NA and oter teams. So you're partially right - it doesn't fully depend on presence or absense of Russian player within the particular roster. Russian fans support all CIS teams to some extent, but at the same time they also can be toxic af. Lets assume S1mple would form a team with "still no major" Euro-stars like Niko, and NaVi would form purely Ukrainian roster showing no respect to Russian scene. Do you really think Russian S1mple's fans will stay with such Neo-NaVi? I'm in doubt.
2019-05-05 06:23
#182
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Ukraine mortydefiled 
lmao what the fuck r u talking about. u r assuming some stuff that we weren't even speaking about, for example, where did u take this from "purely Ukrainian roster showing no respect to Russian scene"? at the beginning i was only speaking about ur one particular sentence, nothing more. "Russian fans must be covered and involved and this won't be possible without Russian players."
2019-05-05 11:19
This whole thread is about assumptions. And why should I be limited to your context? This is not verbal duel but public discussion and I'll be happy to hear other opinions as well.
2019-05-05 13:18
curse of markeloff
2019-05-04 19:14
-flamie +Jame (2nd awp) -Edward +sdy/qikert (entry)
2019-05-04 19:16
jame same playstyle with s1mple but much more bait u ok?
2019-05-04 19:19
can't post anymore, smurf men))) who could AWP as good as flamie as a rifle ?
2019-05-04 19:25
who need full time awper if you got s1mple?
2019-05-04 19:24
and you just named unproved nonamers
2019-05-04 19:25
i saw coldyy1 awping at spirit +he's support
2019-05-04 19:34
-Edward +qikert
2019-05-04 19:18
#62
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Russia f0wlie 
flamie will get one more chance aka next major.. if he won`t perform there, he will be gone for sure..
2019-05-04 19:24
DeKay said NaVi were considering changes before epl im 100% sure it was flamie, so he can be cutten even before major
2019-05-04 19:29
nt u r just still mad about Crimea
2019-05-04 19:25
yeah flamie is fucking trash havent seen him play good since 2015 lool
2019-05-04 19:28
#159
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Denmark Snakebye 
Did you watch cs since 2015?
2019-05-04 22:06
Edward is shit
2019-05-04 19:31
Because others won.
2019-05-04 19:35
simple answer - trash team
2019-05-04 19:39
#89
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Russia my_id_777777 
they will peak seized back
2019-05-04 19:41
lmao
2019-05-04 19:49
Natus suckers never win major because of Zeus He is old fat bad aim player Gambit had Adren and Hobbit and a lot of cluthes did Adren and Hobbit If S1mple leaves from Navi Zeus never will win tier5 tournament
2019-05-04 19:45
Probably.
2019-05-04 19:46
I mean don't get me wrong; flamie is a horrible choker, but Na'Vi was already struggling before him. Why? Because of Edward. He is one of the worst players to ever play CS:GO. Seriously, this guy makes me ashamed to be Ukrainian.
2019-05-04 19:58
trade flamie and edward with sdy and coldyy1 with spirit ez fix
2019-05-04 20:37
s1mple and electronic 2 bots cant win
2019-05-04 20:40
I like Na`Vi with that roster and I like flamie. But you might be right in some aspects. He has not that mentality of a winner.
2019-05-04 20:47
The first time i would agree with ukrainian guy. Tbh, flamie is a great player, but with role that should've belong to some other players like SDY. If flamie will join other team on Carry role - he would be like he used to in 15-16.
2019-05-04 20:49
just trade him with sdy with spirit
2019-05-04 21:37
and edward with coldyy1 maybe
2019-05-04 21:38
Edward steped up lately, but still he should be removed after the Major.
2019-05-04 22:10
LMFAO you Actually just defended Edward the guy who put up the single worst major final performance in the history of counterstrike He’s called Deadward for a reason.
2019-05-04 21:24
fun fact ded is russian "grandpa" a lot of russians making fun of oskar and edward calling them grandpas (prob cuz 30 years old man looks like grandpa for 11yo kids)
2019-05-04 21:49
Hahahahaha
2019-05-04 22:01
#148
FYRR73 | 
Latvia Syecr 
Hohols r so annoying
2019-05-04 21:49
nt fake lithuania
2019-05-04 21:55
#154
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Canada twistzzgod 
-edward -flamie -zeus +jame +sdy +qikert ?
2019-05-04 21:59
idk about jame i think it won't work with s1mple
2019-05-04 22:04
#158
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Canada twistzzgod 
jame igl v avangar +govorili 4to on mog s qikertom davno v navi pereiti
2019-05-04 22:06
its a lie and jame is bad igl for the team like NaVi they need some autority like ANGE1 whose calls will be followed
2019-05-04 22:14
also jame is toxic, just chekc his stream he's shitting on everyone
2019-05-04 22:15
#167
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Canada twistzzgod 
togda mb ange1 qikert sdy s1mple electronic
2019-05-04 22:17
ANGE1/JR is only opinion but Rr is full time awper so unlikely btw can qikert be support?
2019-05-04 22:19
#170
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Bulgaria vectralsoul 
Agreed, flamie seems to play well against shit tier teams and/or if it's a game that isn't important. When a game really matters, he shits the bed HARD. He always seem so easily tilted, which is destroying a teams morale (not to mention worse focus, worse communication, questionable decisions, etc.). He's had so many chances, yet he still manages to disappoint over and over again. On the other hand Edward, which was blamed all the damn time, has played more consistently considering he is doing all the dirty work for NaVi, not to mention he's at least always calm and collected. Even Zeus has stepped up the last few tournaments, but somehow flamie STILL finds a way to be inconsistent af. He's pretty much THE main issue for NaVi right now. I know s1mple and flamie have always been good friends, since s1mple joined NaVi, but I'm pretty sure even he sees there's a huge problem with flamie's mentality, which literally costs them games/tournaments. I would love to see someone like SDY replace him, he seems like such a solid and well rounded player (good aim, good game-sense, can fit different roles), EXACTLY what NaVi need right now. That's at least my two cents on the topic, and has been for quite some time now. Hope NaVi gets their shit together and makes changes ASAP.
2019-05-04 22:25
+1 best post i've seen at hltv
2019-05-04 22:31
again idiot hohol
2019-05-04 22:23
new navi: jame sxepower boombla electronic cpopper no hohols = ez win major
2019-05-04 22:25
#177
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Croatia mds818 
We're kinda forgetting how navi was back in 2015/16, aren't we?
2019-05-04 23:49
#181
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Turkey xxxjet3 
-s1mple +sdy for major win Gambit had no star player they were balanced team they won major in any team s1mple wants to be star player this damages team chemistry because sometimes team just playing around one player if he frag it does work and this only work against tier2 teams ,to win the major you need more team work not just one player(s1mple) with 40kill when teammates(Zeus,Edward) 15kill.
2019-05-05 06:38
#185
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Czech Republic KLothbrok 
I think that -s1mple would make them tier 3 team this players just have to play around 1 player or they just doesnt work smh men)))
2019-05-05 11:24
Flamie always shows up on majors
2019-05-05 11:21
#184
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Czech Republic KLothbrok 
man I agree with you flamie is cursed!
2019-05-05 11:23
s0mple Dos1a
2019-05-07 02:01
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