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Truth about EU cs
EliGE | 
North America ENCEneverbeatLIQUIDfinals 
2013 ~ Sweden + France 2014 ~ Sweden + France + Poland 2015 ~ Sweden + Denmark + France + Poland 2016 ~ Sweden + Denmark + Poland 2017 ~ Sweden + Denmark 2018 ~ Denmark 2019 ~ Denmark Before I continue its blatantly obvious that EU cs > NA cs so no need to point that out The countries above are the few in EU that actually contributed to EU cs being superior The countries below are the ones who always take credit for their neighbors work even tho their country havent done shit 1.) Germany 2.) Finland 3.) Belgium 4.) Estonia 5.) Netherlands 6.) The rest Just wanted to point that out
2019-05-05 13:51
#1
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Finland Kiisselimies 
NA cs LUL
2019-05-05 13:52
Keep it with countries USA cs > Finnish cs b4 u complain about population difference, cs is way more popular as a percentage in EU and the ppl that actually know about cs in NA is far less percentage wise than in finland, also its ur fault that ur country sucked dick at territory
2019-05-05 13:53
NA CS > swedish >french > BR
2019-05-05 14:05
as of 2019, yes in history, no
2019-05-05 14:05
#106
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Finland Kiisselimies 
Lmao Fortnite players > USA cs
2019-05-05 15:53
Yet US cs > Finnish cs so
2019-05-05 19:33
That is yet to be proven my dude.
2019-05-05 23:56
Unfortunately is has US cs Accomplishments: 1 Major 1 Final 2 Semi 1 EPL 1 IEM grand slam event 5ish t2-t3 events 2014 1 top 20 2015 1 top 20 2017 1 top 20, 1 top 15 2018 4 top 20, 3 top 15, 1 top 10 Finnish cs Accomplishments: 0 major 1 Final 0 Semi 0 T1 events 1 Starladder, no liquid, no astralis, no navi, no faze, no top 6 team besides mousesports who were with snax, also vega in finals 2 trophies 2015 1 top 20, 0 top 15 2018 1 top 20, 0 top 15
2019-05-05 23:59
#114
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Finland Jodecast 
lol you talk so much even when you have 3players from usa and 2 from canada lolol
2019-05-06 00:03
its a fact that USA cs > Finnish cs do u think im wrong?
2019-05-06 00:06
#146
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Finland Jodecast 
Well you talk like its all usa but you have 2/5 players from another country
2019-05-06 00:19
*Changes subject*
2019-05-06 00:28
#166
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Finland Jodecast 
Liquid still no maps won over ence Ez4ence
2019-05-06 00:29
They've only played each other once lmao
2019-05-06 00:30
#172
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Finland Jodecast 
Twice at big events
2019-05-06 00:31
So they tied at blast? tied /=/ win blast /=/ big events
2019-05-06 00:33
#177
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Finland Jodecast 
Well exactly, they have not won
2019-05-06 00:34
twice* 2nd time they tied but liquid advanced
2019-05-06 00:31
You wanna talk about USA cs? ok Cloud 9 Major Champions Champions of EPL that alone > Entire finnish scene in history
2019-05-06 00:28
#171
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Finland Jodecast 
reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/78.. To the amount of population and players not doing so great here
2019-05-06 00:31
finnish cs has just been brought back so u cant compare them both and there is no need for this EU NA thing its just retarded
2019-05-06 12:38
#115
Aleksib | 
Finland tonyi 
Finland 5,5m population vs. USA 325m population. I think comparison is kinda pointless.
2019-05-06 00:03
how many ppl in the US play csgo
2019-05-06 00:06
#148
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Finland Jodecast 
Well still much more players so
2019-05-06 00:19
where did u find that information we can agree that ppl 14-24 are most likely to play cs right? for any country 2 years ago at my high school 6/1200 ppl knew about cs
2019-05-06 00:20
played for 5 hrs doesnt count u know what i mean ur just bickering rn point is the amount of USA players and Finnish players are a LOT closer then the population suggests
2019-05-06 00:27
I agree, but it's still nowhere near comparable. Do you think even 1 in 10 people in Finland are CS players? Sure, CS is probably more popular here on average than in America, but it's nowhere near as mainstream as in a place like Denmark, for example.
2019-05-06 12:41
I was using Finland as an example but yes in places like sweden and denmark, cs is way more popular by percentage, but basically anywhere in EU its more popular by percentage than NA, so comparing total population is just retarded
2019-05-06 12:42
It's not the best way to do it, but it's better than implying that CS is 58 times more popular in one country than another. Making generalisations like "anywhere in EU its more popular by percentage than NA" is also "retarded" btw. I'll bet there are more players relative to the percentage of the population in NA than in places like Italy, for example. It's just generally a stupid discussion to have, and nobody cares if one continent is better than another anyway.
2019-05-06 14:35
There are almost as many CS players in the US that there are people in Finland, what are you talking about?
2019-05-06 13:08
#167
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Other Frosty1 
in USA there is around 500k players in faceit finland around 100k players in faceit Also, ESEA is much bigger in NA, no one plays only esea in eu So yes, there are a lot more NA players compared to Finland, but not millions.
2019-05-06 00:30
I never said there wasnt, all im saying is that its not nearly a big of a diff that the guy is suggestion just look above he is suggesting USA has 300 mil more ppl when ur data suggests 400k 300+ mil and 400k are pretty different
2019-05-06 00:31
#174
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Other Frosty1 
I'm not disagreeing with u about that, but still there is a lot more players in NA compared to Finland. I'm not including esea which probably brings a good 300k more for NA.
2019-05-06 00:32
Lets just say USA has 6x more players than finland USA achievements are more than 6x more impressive
2019-05-06 00:32
#182
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Other Frosty1 
I disagree. Maybe in like 2014, yes, but currently NA is like 2x better. Both countries have one tier 1 team I think USA has around 9/10 tier 1 players atm and Finland 6. So in current talent usa is around 2x better imo
2019-05-06 00:38
Ence will fall soon , no worries. Just like they did the last 2-3 times. Just because they've beaten Chokequid doesnt mean they're the better team (skill wise and experience wise ) , they're working with psychologist already so soon the " choke mindset " will be a myth. Same happened to Astralis - choke choke choke , until they hired psychologist.
2019-05-06 01:28
#203
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Other Frosty1 
its funny... how many times does ENCE have to perform till people stop saying shit like ence will fall, ence just had a fluke tournament etc. being in top5 for 2 months straight is not a fluke
2019-05-06 01:55
They've attended only 2 LAN events after the major and placed 3rd (Blast Pro) and 5-8th StarSeries where the only T1 team was Na'Vi.
2019-05-06 02:02
#207
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Other Frosty1 
And lost 3 matches in these events. 1 vs Astralis and 1 vs Na'vi. One bad game vs Vitality too. They have lost vs top3 teams, but consistantly beaten teams below them in the ranking. So in these events, they have lost twice against the winner of the tournament, and once vs a shittier team. Actually Ence has been really good since last year, winning a DH event and the EU Minor.
2019-05-06 02:18
#206
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Indonesia Razerzer0 
It is easy when you only play Blast and Starseries after the major.
2019-05-06 02:06
Leave all liquid achievements out in start, since the team is carried by canadians. Cloud9 won 1 major, where was no team dominant like astralis is now. Ence got 2nd in major becouse Astralis is just so OP. Starladder ~ ESL Pro league. Not big of a difference on achievements paying attention that USA got 300+million citizen and Finland 5million.
2019-05-06 01:33
"team carried by canadians" EliGE is thier highest ranked LAN and big event player, tied with NAF i believe
2019-05-06 12:48
But now you take credit for Canadas work. Remeber that Liquid is 40 % Canadian. And Twistzz and NAF are their best players.
2019-05-06 12:41
#222
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Finland DaddyAllu 
USA population 327m, Finland population 5,5m. And yes I know that finnish cs hasn't done much, but we have never taken credit from our neighbours, because most finnish people are very humble. Also you really can't take too much credit from cloud9 because their major championship was a huge fluke and their team broke after 2 months. Also from what I have heard americans dont like to consider canada as america and now there are 2 canadians carrying NA's best team. USA logic
2019-05-06 12:55
#2
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Taiwan wie2k 
thank you for this
2019-05-05 13:52
Calm down.
2019-05-05 13:53
#5
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Germany zeolikk 
The countries below are the ones who always take credit for their neighbors work even tho their country havent done shit 1.) Germany ??????
2019-05-05 13:54
not all german users but most
2019-05-05 13:54
#11
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Germany zeolikk 
What do you even mean by that? I dislike German teams and rather cheer for Swedish teams, do I now "take credit for theighbors work" because I'm not a nationalist like u?
2019-05-05 13:55
what the fuck are u on the thread isnt that deep basically im saying when ppl like u pull a "EU cs > NA cs" that is inherently true, but ur kind are not the reason EU cs > NA cs, ur kind did not contribute to EU cs > NA cs at all
2019-05-05 13:59
#58
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
Without Germany, we wouldn't have esports on this level right now. Germany is the father of all teams. So absolutely okay to take credits.
2019-05-05 14:15
germany did jack shit in the pro scene the only thing germany did was give us a real life hostage map to practice on, i believe it was called de_holocaust
2019-05-05 14:16
#61
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
you are only a weak NA beta that has no clue about esports history
2019-05-05 14:16
provide 1 valid example and ill stop
2019-05-05 14:17
#68
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
ESL.
2019-05-05 14:19
events are replaceable, nice joke so u really think if esl one cologne stopped being a think, the scene would end? they'd just find new hosts
2019-05-05 14:20
#82
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
As I said you have no clue about esports history cuz u are a tard.
2019-05-05 14:23
yes, since germany founded ESL, they are good at cs great point
2019-05-05 14:23
#90
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
since ESL was founded esports became a thing and grow. U still dont get it, typical NA zero education but thinks he is right.
2019-05-05 14:25
btw, what does ESL have to do with germans being good at cs just wondering
2019-05-05 14:20
#86
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
Do you read? I said Germany is the reason why esports is so big right now. I never mention something specific about cs. Nice you are a real tard.
2019-05-05 14:23
idc what u mentioned, this is my thread and the topic was about eu cs and na cs go spew ur bullshit elsewhere my point was germans dont contribute to eu cs being great, snice they dont have great teams or great players if u can provide a counter example the continue, if not then get lost
2019-05-05 14:24
#94
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
this is your thtread and i answered why it is okay to take credits. You dont even know what topic is your thread about.
2019-05-05 14:26
about how countries that suck dick at cs ride the EU cs wave that is carried by denmark and formerly france sweden and poland
2019-05-05 14:26
#101
s1mple | 
Germany NatsuS 
and none of them would exist if the ESL didn't provide for years the top pro leagues. Because besides this 1-time tournaments as WCG or ESWC there was absolutely emptiness. There was no reason to found clans etc. If the ESL didnt do their job. Also, all of the events started after ESL brought the first leagues and cast for the events. Now take your thread and stick in into your a
2019-05-05 14:29
the amount of brain damage uve suffered shocks me point is germans always have sucked at csgo and will really never win anything significant based on this information, we can conclude that USA cs > german cs based on that information, germans spamming EU cs is contradictory since they are bascially saying "my neighbor is better than u so i am too" this will be my last reply on this topic since i dont have much patience on the disabled
2019-05-05 14:31
Yeah just fuck off your own thread where people gave you good points but you fail to accept anything since you dont understand the Reason WHY CS is what it is today good luck with your pathetic life.
2019-05-05 14:36
i guess u can never lose an argument huh? pathetic
2019-05-06 12:50
if you say eu cs > na cs, then every european coutry has the right to take credit by your logic no one but the players in those EU teams themselves has the right to say eu cs > na cs, what's the difference if a french guy says it or a german guy? neither of them actually did shit to make it happen xD
2019-05-06 00:17
its because the ppl that say it try to act cool and superior i agree nobody should be saying it, but my point is ESPECIALLY the ppl whose countries suck dick at csgo
2019-05-06 00:18
EU CS > NA CS is just a bait. EU Nade > NA nade is the real sh*t. Btw i love the way you triggered 'em brainless germanistans. If it wasnt ESL , someone else would do it that see some pontential in this game. Just because ESL did it first , doesnt mean sh*t (except for the germanistanish pride).
2019-05-06 01:32
thank you, thats exactly what im saying like eleague or some shit would just replace ESL and eleague atlanta would be the yearly best tournament
2019-05-06 12:35
but man u are from USA taking cedit from Canada thats the same thing like a finnish guy taking credit for swedish cs, liquid would not be nearly as good without twistzz and naf so please just stfu and stop this EU NA
2019-05-06 12:48
fun thing is usa also has given the world 3 holocaust nagasaki hiroshima vietnam Stole over 20.000patens from Germans. went into Space thanks to Germans. Build a lot of Military Stuff thanks to Germans oh and lets assume you are realy from America, well you probably are since ur retarded as fuck :) Chances are pretty high ur heritage is German God how mad are you ???
2019-05-05 14:33
wtf nigga u dumb as a brick
2019-05-06 00:01
be quiet child. or start learning some truth instead of swallowing the bullshit they feed you everyday
2019-05-06 03:35
All of the space stuff had nothing to do with germany The nukings were justified, look up japanese war crimes in ww2, they raped, they abused, they violated China, and they bombed pearl harbor for no reason. nobody triggered hitler to mass murder jews, it wasnt a responce to anything, there was no reason germans and nazis are just shitty people they got what they deserved
2019-05-06 00:03
the race to space started with Germany and the V2 if you base your nukings bullshit on what someone did... boy i hope you start dropping 10000 nukes on yourself boohooo pearl harbor... they at least attacked a MILITARY TARGET... your fucked up shit country just comitted a war crime by killing innocent civilians god i realy hate you... even more than brits and that says a lot
2019-05-06 03:37
remind me of something the US did that was worse than the holocaust pls
2019-05-06 12:36
#137
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Brazil m16r_0 
hes lowkey right , ESL was the organisation that made CS esport big also germany had really good teams in the past and many great organisations with awesome teams even tho the teams itself havent been german.
2019-05-06 00:14
newfag idiot spotted ESL, SK, MOUZ all german all from day fucking NA brain newf so dumb lol
2019-05-06 00:41
SK / Mouz = dead teams SK was relevant thanks to Brazil (South America). Mouz was relevant thanks to Bosnian , estonian , finnish , danish , prodka players. All you have is Nex and Tizian ? Tabsen is polish (i guess from his last name) , Gob B is turkish , Xantares is turkish , Smooya is english.And BIG was relevant because of them. ESL - Well if it wasn't ESL , i'd be someone else that see the game have potential. No need to praise someone , because there are others that would do it instead. eSports is growing industry - new names/brands/orgs comes all the time. In that sense , ESL wouldn't be a sh*t without sponsors. So in short : thanks to the SPONSORS all around the world for making ESL a sh*t because all they could afford as prizepool at the beginning was 1000$.
2019-05-06 01:43
talking about ww2... idiot spotted
2019-05-06 12:48
#195
suNny | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w 
And you did contribute to NA CS in which way? LUL
2019-05-06 01:15
#10
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
cry is free
2019-05-05 13:55
#14
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Germany zeolikk 
shut up baiter
2019-05-05 13:55
#21
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
shut up credit taker
2019-05-05 13:56
#6
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
I think people should be grateful NA and SA are at least able to compete. Truth to be told it got quite boring when both scenes died late 2008 and nothing helped the scene when EU were the only ones competing against each other except for Korea every now and then.
2019-05-05 13:54
yes however the purpose of the thread was to laugh at the irony caused by the piggyback countries
2019-05-05 13:55
haha ok <3
2019-05-05 13:56
#8
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Sweden Cruxor 
True lul
2019-05-05 13:54
yes very true should be SWE cs > USA cs or DEN cs > USA cs not EU, since sweden poland france and denmark basically hard carried the entirety of EU while the rest did almost nothing
2019-05-05 13:55
#98
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Denmark Xipingu 
+1
2019-05-05 14:27
#12
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United States Samsquanch_ 
NA wins 1 event and this kid can’t hold in the rage You’re pathetic LOL
2019-05-05 13:55
+1 LOL back to trash soon need only 1 top5 team to show Liquid their place sit down and be humble
2019-05-05 13:56
#25
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
+1 medkit
2019-05-05 13:57
Newfag spotted ignoring Faze in 2017
2019-05-05 13:55
1 player from a country doesnt count as the scene being good
2019-05-05 13:56
Yeah this means EU scene is good.
2019-05-05 13:56
#38
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France LanaRhoades 
No , fuck international teams.
2019-05-05 14:02
btw USA cs > Swiss CS
2019-05-05 13:56
Switzerland country > USA country
2019-05-05 13:56
Very true, however that does not mean my thread is incorrect
2019-05-05 13:58
I mean, you need 2 countries with over 350 million people combined to create a decent team
2019-05-05 14:00
USA cs > Swiss CS btw u and i both know that most americans know nothing of CS, at least 300 million of them also not our fault we have more ppl if u actually had a good army maybe u could take some territory for urself
2019-05-05 14:01
tbh maniac won more relvant tournaments than NA xDD Our banks control your country, be humble. EU > NA
2019-05-05 14:03
what did maniac win again?
2019-05-05 14:03
check his player profile
2019-05-05 14:04
He won eLeague Boston Major He won Esl pro league season 4 He won IEM Sydney He won iBP Masters over astralis in the grand finals He won a bunch of other t2-t3 events yea yea maniac goat
2019-05-05 14:08
You aint even Swiss , calm down bankrupted boi.
2019-05-06 01:47
i are real swiss
2019-05-06 12:39
#20
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Germany luros 
NA CS LUL...ever heard of 1.6 and css?
2019-05-05 13:56
Ive certainly never heard of israeli cs why dont u educate me
2019-05-05 13:56
#26
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
oof
2019-05-05 13:57
#28
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Germany luros 
We controle your country
2019-05-05 13:57
If it werent for us, all of ur kind wouldve been baked just like pizza
2019-05-05 14:00
#32
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Germany luros 
2019-05-05 14:00
Ain't opening this , but reading the title of it says enough.
2019-05-06 01:48
#34
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France LanaRhoades 
Why Denmark in 2019 ?? Tell me they only won a Major and a BLAST lmao. Don't overrate them
2019-05-05 14:01
why are u complaining i had ur country in the "good eu cs" section
2019-05-05 14:02
#48
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France LanaRhoades 
I'm just saying that 2019 isn't over and denmark in 2019 have won 2 events and they're not dominant like past year
2019-05-05 14:07
im just assuming for the future, and no offense but i think as a whole eu cs is falling still > na cs tho
2019-05-05 14:07
#54
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France LanaRhoades 
French CS fell very hard , Poland CS too , swedish CS too. But it seems like french CS and swedish CS are back for the future. In mid/late 2019 atleast one of Vitality/fnatic/G2/NiP will be in the top 5 trust me. I would see a 1.Liquid 2.Astralis 3.G2 4.fnatic 5.Na'Vi
2019-05-05 14:11
#75
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Denmark QBE_ 
It's funny you put G2 with a vitality flair lul
2019-05-05 14:20
#81
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France LanaRhoades 
G2 has more potential to be top 5 than Vitality. I'm not a Vitality or a G2 fan , i'm a french teams fan. I like them both at the same level
2019-05-05 14:22
Vitality > G2 imho. Even with the current line up. G2 are washed up , Shox and Kenny are not the same insane players we used to know. The lack of confidence caused by loses turned them into nothing more but average players.
2019-05-06 01:53
#237
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France LanaRhoades 
Lmao nobody is washed up on g2 you just didn't saw them play recently
2019-05-06 13:29
#83
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France LanaRhoades 
But i put Vitality in my flair cuz french org and i like this ORG
2019-05-05 14:23
#95
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Denmark QBE_ 
Ohh aight 👍🏼
2019-05-05 14:26
#92
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Denmark Notallama 
I kek'd
2019-05-05 14:25
#100
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France LanaRhoades 
Mad cuz astralis #2 ?
2019-05-05 14:29
#105
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Denmark Notallama 
Desperate "baiting"
2019-05-05 14:51
which team won better events than astralis? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2019-05-05 14:04
#51
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France LanaRhoades 
Astralis won the major with an easy road. Liquid won vs Astralis in final and IEM sydney. You can't say astralis is dominant.
2019-05-05 14:08
easy road ? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 2-0 every team even ENCE who F****d liquid and navi astralis also won vs liquid in bo3 final also which top 5 team did liquid beat in sydney? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk only top 5 team liquid beat in BO3 in 2019 is astralis in IBP
2019-05-05 14:16
#77
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France LanaRhoades 
You seem fucking dumb lmao
2019-05-05 14:21
u dont have argument. liquid didnt even beat top 5 team in sydney iem sydney > MAJOR? kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2019-05-05 14:23
#96
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France LanaRhoades 
No but astralis isn't dominant , and 2019 isn't finished yet and Astralis won the same amount of events than Faze and Liquid. It doesn't make them dominant like past year so u can't put only denmark in 2019 right now
2019-05-05 14:26
#35
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France ponche 
+1
2019-05-05 14:01
yes u and i can agree that its unfair that those germans are taking the credit ur teams earned
2019-05-05 14:02
#40
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France ponche 
It's ok we take german money in the EU now
2019-05-05 14:03
good good good
2019-05-05 14:03
i dont think you know how deep Germany is involved in the Growth of eSports in the past 20 Years dude
2019-05-05 14:10
i clearly said EU CS CS Counter Strike have u ever heard of it? yea best german team in the past 8ish years? BIG what have they done NOTHING their best result is 2nd place at cologne
2019-05-05 14:11
Germany never had a realy good CS Team back in early 2000 with mtw and mousesports maybe. Germans are in the back building the shit infrastructure so Retards like you can make a list of Countrys who "contributed" shows how little you know
2019-05-05 14:14
germans did jack shit in the pro scene stop bitching
2019-05-05 14:15
yeah jack shit Like the IEM you just watched ? :D
2019-05-05 14:18
IEM sydney may not have been top tier but it was better than anything germans accomplished
2019-05-05 14:19
#55
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France LanaRhoades 
Maybe by infrastructures but not by players/teams and achievements
2019-05-05 14:12
I wouldn't say that germans havent done shit to the scene, Esl cologne always made csgo look like a top tier sporting event
2019-05-05 14:17
although thats true, the event could easily be held elsewhere and ppl would think that other place is legendary like imagine if there was no cologne but there was ESL one Paris same result dont u think?
2019-05-05 14:18
ESL is German you damn Idiot
2019-05-05 14:19
sorry i dont look this up change it completely then what about eLeague Paris idk point is events are replaceable
2019-05-05 14:19
#76
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Israel soprendo 
So what?
2019-05-05 14:21
probably not tbh, maybe in back in the 2015 days but rn fortnite is probably much bigger than cs and take this by a grain of salt since im getting these stats from twitch analytics. they could have an esl paris but i highly doubt they could fill up an entire arena for a csgo event in 2019.
2019-05-05 14:22
#64
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Denmark QBE_ 
2017 ~ Literally every top team except NA and NaVi*
2019-05-05 14:17
Liquid never beat ENCE
2019-05-05 14:20
Any UK team ever has never made legends, nor have they ever won a major, won a t1, won a t2, or even a t3
2019-05-05 14:21
And your point is....?
2019-05-05 14:25
What was ur point when u said liquid never beat ENCE
2019-05-05 14:25
#73
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Finland Autisthicc 
who cares
2019-05-05 14:20
nt jOELZ best player in the world :)
2019-05-05 14:21
do Russia&Ukraine&Kazakhstan count as EU?
2019-05-05 14:24
no CIS
2019-05-05 14:24
#99
fnx | 
Other individual 
they stay home all winter playing computer games
2019-05-05 14:28
finland seems like a big country because ence have done their branding well, you, a worm of the ground still cant understand that
2019-05-06 00:02
#113
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United States jay_320 
The irony is that the US dominated Quake. Like the best Quake player of all time is Rappha and it's not even close. Second best is Fatality and it's not even close. I almost think the reason NA always took so long to catch up in CS (Because it was kind of the same in 1.6 until 2005 or so) is almost cultural. Quake is a 1v1 game that prioritizes aim and good map movement. CSGO is a game that prioritizes team play. It seems that Europeans in general are better team players then Americans. Not always the case of course and this doesn't apply to everyone on either continent. It's just my own little theory. Also when talking about classic franchises you can't leave out NA. EG and Complexity immediately spring to mind when I think classic esports. Right up there with Mouz and SK.
2019-05-06 00:05
its because ppl in the US dont care about cs there are 300+ mil of us and prob less than 100000 have over 50 hrs on cs
2019-05-06 00:04
#122
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United States jay_320 
Well this is also a huge factor but people don't like it as a reason. Mostly people don't think too deeply in things. I don't think Europeans realize that consoles are far and away the dominant way to play video games in the States. While you certainly have a market for PC games it's not like Denmark where something like 3% of the p opulation has played CSGO. That's actually incredible to me even with the country being small.
2019-05-06 00:07
they have colleges in europe for video games thats why none of their colleges can match up to our top tiers, cuz they focus on video games video games
2019-05-06 00:08
#230
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
my brain hurts from reading bullshit like this
2019-05-06 13:16
cwur.org/2018-19.php look at all that US
2019-05-06 13:19
#233
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
yes i know that but they are the best universities because they have the most money, not because 1 or 2 universities in europe teach e-sports lmao
2019-05-06 13:22
so ur saying the US has more good unis the the entirety of europe only because of money
2019-05-06 13:23
#236
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
yes, thats exactly what im saying... go look up the budgets of Harvard and co...they have billions due to private donations ofc the richest unis are the best... they get the most decorated professors, they have the biggest resources for research etc. etc.
2019-05-06 13:28
True
2019-05-06 00:06
your theory is correct but it's missing a part which i will not say to prevent a flame war
2019-05-06 00:39
#185
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United States jay_320 
Honestly nothing you could say would bother me so feel free to chime in.
2019-05-06 00:47
Ok, here is the only right one: ASTRALIS>CIS>EU>NA>AU>BR>AS
2019-05-06 00:04
NA > CIS lol Liquid > Navi NRG > Any other CIS team or player(s) S1mple elec may be good, but no other top 30 players in CIS besides MAYBE flamie NA top 30 contenders Elige twistzz auti naf nitr0 ethan
2019-05-06 00:06
CIS csgo> NA csgo overall
2019-05-06 00:07
How so? S1mple is basically the only thing holding up CIS csgo, if u mean all time then yes i suppose but rn NA > CIS
2019-05-06 00:09
I can say that zeus and s1mple are the only ones who keep navi alive, but your na brain probably thinks that individual skill matters more than igl skill
2019-05-06 00:10
My na brain is asking ur vodka ruskiness how the fuck zeus gets so much credit for screaming blyat every couple of rounds provide a single example of zeus' amazing igling helping navi beat astralis or liquid
2019-05-06 00:12
Gambit winning a major(dont you fucking dare complaining about that), navi becoming pure garbage after zeus’ leaving, after zeus returns navi somehow manage to win several t1 trophies
2019-05-06 00:14
Navi won their first t1 event EVER after zeus left they became bad later on cuz of chemistry issues, merely a coincidence Now explain zeus costing navi map 2 of starseries final when he went like 9-34 in a double overtime game
2019-05-06 00:15
Zeus’ individual skill is actually shit, good thing he have some flukes sometimes. Navi won their ONLY t1 title just because of guardians and simple’s carries, then they didnt have any trophies for more than a year
2019-05-06 00:19
why are we arguing im pretty sure we have the same conclusion at #141
2019-05-06 00:21
My arguments are true af, i hope i have changed your mind a bit
2019-05-06 00:24
i dont know what ur arguements are
2019-05-06 00:24
Read my replies then
2019-05-06 00:29
The only thing rn that keeps away navi from beating liquid and astralis is flamie and edward. I really like edward cuz he is a legend , its really hard for me to say that he should go. Flamie can still bring back his form
2019-05-06 00:21
Also their chemistry after they kicked zeus was predicted by literally every decent cis analyst/videomaker
2019-05-06 00:22
Btw can you imagine a world where navi lose 2 maps to fnatic in a bo5
2019-05-06 00:08
Btw can you imagine a world where navi lose 3 major finals?
2019-05-06 00:10
Uhm yes we live in this world Btw can you imagine a world where navi give up 2 comebacks to luminosity and 2 comebacks to ence
2019-05-06 00:12
can u count? 1 comeback to ence lol btw can u imagine a world where navi lose 4 consecutive lan Bo3s to liquid without picking up a SINGLE map? not even a map
2019-05-06 00:13
Dude yea we live in that world
2019-05-06 00:14
Do you even understand that i didn’t even say that navi>liquid?
2019-05-06 00:15
Liquid > NaVi NRG > whatever the fuck the 2nd best cis team is maybe avangar NA Scene in 2019 > CIS scene in 2019 CIS scene in history > NA scene in history
2019-05-06 00:16
You clearly have a point, a point that i respect, but this point is just a little bit wrong, bcz NRG is not a strong team, so the only thing that NA has got is a solid top2 team, but CIS has got a top3 team and several upsetters
2019-05-06 00:34
#127
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United States jay_320 
You even left off Brehze. :( Also Stewie2k will likely make a top 20 appearcence at some point in his career. HLTV said in Autimatic's piece this past year that Stewie was nearly on it in 2016. I still think the kid is too talented to never place. I'd even throw in Tarik as a potential. Stanislaw as a potential.
2019-05-06 00:09
forgot breeze, tarik maybe stan no
2019-05-06 00:11
#134
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United States jay_320 
If someone gave Stan and Optic level team again I think he's talented enough. I could be wrong of course.
2019-05-06 00:14
stan has never been a good fragger
2019-05-06 00:14
#142
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United States jay_320 
I suppose I should clarify. He's a good fragger in the sense that Glaive is a good fragger. With a coach that can help him develop strategies and perhaps some better people skills I think he's one of the best fragging IGL's in the world. Looking at his stats he is rather up and down year to year but he's a pretty consistent 1.05+ rated type of player. That's great for an IGL.
2019-05-06 00:17
#143
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Brazil m16r_0 
i get your point but thats not comparable at all , i mean the size of the countrys you are comparing is to big of a difference you should compare the states to the countrys. Basicly its even more sad that a small country like denmark literally owns your whole scene.
2019-05-06 00:17
How many ppl in the US play csgo How many ppl in denmark play csgo dont compare overall population since 99.99% of americans never touched csgo for over 20 hrs there are about 1200 kids at my high school 2 years ago and 6 knew about csgo and high school is the time ppl know about these games, infants and 30+ ppl most likely 100% dont play cs
2019-05-06 00:20
#153
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Brazil m16r_0 
i would bet money that the amount of players from especially bigger states compared to small EU countrys is atleast compareable xd also the amount of younger people kinda relates to your overall population? "there are about 1200 kids at my high school 2 years ago and 6 knew about csgo" yeah sure :D
2019-05-06 00:22
dude there are colleges in europe specifically for video games, those are common here, almost all of our teachers preach about how video games are horrible i think if u just take percentages, EU prob has 50% more players than NA, based only on percentages
2019-05-06 00:23
#158
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Brazil m16r_0 
"dude there are colleges in europe specifically for video games, those are common" these are huge exceptions and they are pretty new. also maybe not really actual but it should give u an idea reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/78..
2019-05-06 00:26
played for 5 hrs doesnt count u know what i mean ur just bickering rn point is the amount of USA players and Finnish players are a LOT closer then the population suggests
2019-05-06 00:27
#163
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Brazil m16r_0 
its not xd from where do you get this data from the same site where u made your survey at highschool to figure out who knows about csgo.
2019-05-06 00:28
im not saying that 6/1200 is the correct proportion of US players im just saying the absurd difference in population is not even close to the reality of the USA and Finnish players its way closer than the population suggests, can we not agree on that
2019-05-06 00:29
#181
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Brazil m16r_0 
compared to the population youre right i cant denied that but it doesnt matter since the playerbase itself still is like x15 of finlands ... :D
2019-05-06 00:38
How have germany and the Netherlands not contributed to EU CS. For the netherlands, our esports peeked too early. We had a very dominant CSS squad in fnatic that won a shitload of tournaments in 2007-2008. Basically after that everyone quit and pursued their normal jobs. Germany has a giant CS esports history. They had a shitload of teams in 1.6 that are still active today. SK Gaming, Mousesports, Alternate Attax, PlayingDucks. All the tournaments from early-mid 2000's are filled with german teams. Just because countries don't have a #1 team in CSGO doesn't mean they didn't have any influence in CS at some point.
2019-05-06 00:35
wow actually someone smart ... but u dont need to talk with a newfag who doesnt know anything what happened before CSGO
2019-05-06 01:10
My state is bordering denmark, of course I am proud of my neighbours FeelsOkayMan
2019-05-06 00:35
#186
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Ireland CashewNuts 
haha it's almost like the US is the size of most EU countries combined and therefore has done even less relatively :). Anyone in the US that is not in the particular team they're cheering for that is from the US is pretty much just like all the other EU cs countries that according to you "havent done shit". Also may I remind you Liquid is a Dutch org. Also Also lots of countries in the EU have a history in eSports and cs pre-csgo. And we're not as petty so we cheer for anything EU, since that's simply where were from. It has nothing to do with "taking credit". Again, it's like you saying "YAAAY WE (Team Liquid) WON IEM SYDNEY YAAAY WE (Not u, team liquid) WON WUHUUU GO (all of) NORTH AMERICA WE'VE (Team liquid) HAS DONE IT". And honestly there's nothing wrong with that, only when YOU make it a problem. So just get off prick.
2019-05-06 00:59
So fans can’t cheer for their org? Wtf, mate.
2019-05-06 01:06
#189
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Ireland CashewNuts 
That's not what I'm saying. Did you read my entire comment? 2nd to last sentence bucko
2019-05-06 01:07
Oh, sorry. I lost your point.
2019-05-06 01:07
#192
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Ireland CashewNuts 
It's alright my Canadian frend
2019-05-06 01:09
Well, I can’t deny anything you said, but someway this thread looks really stupid to me.
2019-05-06 01:05
#190
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Japan PKcrash 
Exactly. You see idiots from Bulgaria and others alike saying "our teams" when their country contributed nothing to EU's success. It's pathetic and is an excuse just for being a bad nation for counterstrike.
2019-05-06 01:07
but a bulgarian has a NA Team in his backpack :>
2019-05-06 01:12
Brehze and Ethan are both better than cerq
2019-05-06 13:05
What about finland for 2019
2019-05-06 02:02
2019-05-06 12:57
bait or retard? Anger Moe jdm64 RUSH replace them with EliGE Autimatic Brehze Ethan and also get the best dutch players even tho non (including chrisJ) have top 30 potential and see what happens
2019-05-06 13:05
Dutch scene best scene
2019-05-06 13:03
hey you stop
2019-05-06 13:07
#228
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Denmark wakelele 
Ukraine and Brazil are missing in that equation.
2019-05-06 13:07
Brazil is SA Ukraine is CIS
2019-05-06 13:19
#239
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Denmark wakelele 
2013 ~ Sweden + France 2014 ~ Sweden + France + Poland 2015 ~ Sweden + Denmark + France + Poland 2016 ~ Sweden + Denmark + Poland 2017 ~ Sweden + Denmark 2018 ~ Denmark 2019 ~ Denmark Do you see those anywhere? ;)
2019-05-06 14:42
0 iq thread is eu cs sa/cis teams not included
2019-05-07 03:04
eu cs > na cs
2019-05-06 13:24
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