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Shroud
Spain Sneakers 
Why does he not play CS:GO anymore? And became a full-time streamer?? Doesnt he prefer the prestigious tournaments, over fanboys and twitch subs? Disappointed. Same with Skadoodle. American scene is pretty dumb. And then they complain Valve doesnt give them the CS:GO Major, neither the Dota TI any longer. They rather see streamers. Over something actually important, and prestigious like those 2 are.
2019-05-07 12:01
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#1
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Netherlands Yourii
Yeah i miss shroud & ska😔
2019-05-07 12:02
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#4
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Finland Autisthicc
no shroud and auti gay sex love relationship
2019-05-07 12:04
2 replies
#23
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Finland m1b
+1 loved them
2019-05-07 12:24
+1
2019-05-07 14:13
Im not gay, but i do miss good old days of CS and some players. But at same time, i think they wouldnt be able to compete in a tier 2 tournament in nowadays CS.. they would get destroyed.
2019-05-07 12:37
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100% gay
2019-05-07 14:16
+1 Almost everyone has gotten better
2019-05-07 14:33
are you a retard? the whole point of playing professionally is earning money, shroud earns 20x as much streaming kid games, also isnt good enough to be in a tier 1-2 team anyway
2019-05-07 12:03
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#5
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United Kingdom Bern1e
People over exaggerate how much he makes, you need to remember twitch makes more off him than he does.
2019-05-07 12:05
4 replies
do you think his monthly salary at c9 was over 100k? obviously he makes a fuckton streaming from both subs, sponsorships, etc
2019-05-07 12:07
Actually he makes a lot more than Twitch does on him. For a long time I thought Twitch Prime Subs didn't give the streamer much, because it's literally free if you're Amazon Prime (shit that sounded like an ad) - but actually Twitch/Amazon pays the streamer the same as the cut they get from a normal sub. And Shroud gets $3 per sub, so Twitch gets $2 ;-) I've seen estimates of over $2m a year
2019-05-07 12:34
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twitch probably still makes more because when it comes to a top streamer it's not a simple math calculation. they are marketing assets. personally i have no idea how their estimate worth is calculated but given their comparably huge audience their worth is probably in the millions.
2019-05-07 12:40
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Yeah that's true, I just meant in the regards of the cuts the streamer makes. That the top streamers earn over 50%. Obviously Shroud is a huge asset to Twitch as a whole, but it would be interesting to see if over 50% of all the income Twitch gets, is distributed to streamers.
2019-05-07 12:43
Yeah money is the reason behind everything nowadays. cant compete vs that. And i admit it. But I would of done everything to win a Major, and have a name forever in the CS scene. Other than playing fortnite and apex legends, and act dumb just for earning 1000 more subscribers with twitch prime. Like how dumb that sounds. but its fair. $$$ > anything else
2019-05-07 12:19
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#39
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Poland Banan_IDK
Major in cs is worthless, only in our heads it sounds cool, because we follow it. I rather earn 500k$ a month instead
2019-05-07 12:44
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+1
2019-05-07 12:48
Its worthless if you dont care about cs. So your not really dedicated to the game. If you are you would care.
2019-05-07 12:56
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#59
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Poland Banan_IDK
yeah exactly, no one else cares besides us
2019-05-07 14:27
You would've done anything to win a Major? Well, are you? Otherwise that statement is bullshit. :D
2019-05-07 13:26
2 replies
he doesn't even try to form a team
2019-05-07 14:06
No i mean if i was in his position i would. Obviously
2019-05-07 14:46
Facts +1
2019-05-07 14:21
Cuz more money and sit home
2019-05-07 12:03
1. He didn't enjoy playing because of the pressure, which made him sad and performed worse. 2. Much more money and opportunities with streaming.
2019-05-07 12:05
cs go is rigged at top level you know that right? shroud makes way more now anyway. infact i think c9 were paid to perform better in spring so their merch sold better since people buy the singlets. other teams were aware of this and also got a cut of the profit to let c9 win in the spring time.
2019-05-07 12:06
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#12
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Europe s1xX
any form of proof whatsoever that could atleast back up your claim by 50% regarding the rigging?
2019-05-07 12:12
5 replies
it's obvious if u watch some pro matches, people make jokes about throwing but in reality it is actually throwing. it's got to do with the player union which Astralis control. This is likely why they're the top team now, but obviously organized to lose here and there as seen at ibuypower masters.
2019-05-07 12:14
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#15
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
I am not saying rigging is impossible in the cs scene, but this seems a bit to far fetched to be instantly believable rn. You make it seem like Astralis is the deep state and the rest of the teams are the european continent lol
2019-05-07 12:16
people act as if every comeback happens because of match fixing... this might happen in some tier357532 online league...but on lan? at big tournaments? nope...i dont believe so, and theres nothing to back your claims...theyre just accusations
2019-05-07 12:21
Jokes about throwing and actual throwing have been happening a lot longer then the player union has existed. I'm really confused about how you can link the two together, and also why are you suggesting that Astralis "control" the player union. Not really sure where your getting that idea from. I don't really think Astralis really organise to "lose here and there"... Do you really expect them to be winning everything? and then accusing them of "organising to lose" when they dont win, because thats pretty fucken stupid
2019-05-07 12:24
U realize that throwing is what Valve hates even more than VAC bans right? Like if something Valve doesnt want is exactly that. There is still a team and some players permamnently banned from their tournaments, even tho many claim to get them unbanned, and Valve wont move 1 bit. (meanwhile with VAC bans its like 2-3 years or someshit). So ur claim is false. And if it were to be true, Valve themselves would get involved as they did in the past. also some say pros cheat.. is pretty dumb. but what can u do about it
2019-05-07 12:23
its probably all the travel involved in playing professionally, these guys are on the road most of the time and after a few years of it they can become very burnout.
2019-05-07 12:09
#10
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New Zealand Eauor
Because he makes a shit ton of money streaming, and was a shit pro anyway and had no future in the game at a top professional level.
2019-05-07 12:09
He couldn't take the pressure
2019-05-07 12:10
#14
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United States Jakepot
I like shroud
2019-05-07 12:16
he was almost depressed playing professially cs so he chose streaming
2019-05-07 12:17
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now he just plays the same BRs and sits at home everyday.. i mean that sounds depressing as well. in fact i hear a lot of that many so called "full-time twitch" streamers aren't that "happy" either. As u dont do anything, just stay at home every day, and night. but i guess it's better than CS:GO, this old game, so mentally challenging too
2019-05-07 12:32
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Making $2m a year playing video games 8 hours a day? Some people work a shitty job 50-60 hours a week for $50k a year, and they have to do it the rest of their lives.
2019-05-07 12:37
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+1
2019-05-07 13:19
Shroud is overrated
2019-05-07 12:22
2 replies
+1. I dont praise him as much as so many people do, so many will suck his dick for anything. At least he can kill plebs all the time, and not choke and flop as he usually did in tier 1 premier tournaments lol
2019-05-07 12:29
1 reply
The skill level seems to be so high nowadays
2019-05-07 12:33
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Russia LeGoBoys
There is a little few players who compete to be a champion. Shroud is just not one of them
2019-05-07 12:22
> sitting at home playing whatever you like making around 100 k a month > travelling all the time, constantly getting shat on by the community making around 10 - 20 k a month id definetly pick the first option
2019-05-07 12:26
5 replies
+1
2019-05-07 12:38
Yeah i understand most of u saying money, and how much it gives him. but u ever thought how he got there on twtich so popular in the first place? Yeah.. without his CS career he be a nobody. or would have 1k viewers.
2019-05-07 12:43
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yeah ok...but this doesnt matter at all. yes he got first known for playing cs...does that mean he has to continue playing it? he owes nothing to cs or its community, he can do whatever he likes. and he has stated multible times that he didnt like the life of a pro gamer
2019-05-07 12:56
#40
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Netherlands NELK
10-20k is enough
2019-05-07 12:46
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Sure it might be, but constant bootcamping , fitting all the team together and considering hes from america there will be a lot of roster changes, so refitting , taking on all kinds of roles, traveling all across the globe for tournaments, not that much time off, losing all kinds of big tournaments constant GodShroud Botshroud everywhere.. from the toxic community Twitch streaming with 100k $ > csgo carreer Twitch : Chill at home at times that you want to stream, do what you like , eat while you play (as shroud does) have a laugh, if you lose every1 will laugh but not really many would blame you (since they cant bet on you and since its not a tournament) no constant traveling and bootcamping and fitting pieces together. Im not saying that there ain't work to do behind a twitch carreer he still has to set all kinds of things up, but its way more relaxed, less pressured, easier to enjoy personally and he earns more money. If it were up to me i'd know which one of the two i'd pick.
2019-05-07 14:13
I'm sure he made more off that commercial with joel embiid and post malone than he did in cs
2019-05-07 12:28
#27
Magisk | 
Europe s1xX
the way i see it ppl like shrood have 2 options. 1: play competative games with pro's at the highest lvl of competitive esports and make a decent/good living from it. 2: get filthy rich by playing shit tier games mostly overpopulated by kids that contribute 0% to the competitive fun factor.
2019-05-07 12:30
I watched his stream today and he was playing CS at that time :v .
2019-05-07 12:34
#32
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Portugal DeviphZ
i mean... streaming when you are already knowed its easier and gives more money, they are enjying life, so why the fuck would they come back to pro cs??
2019-05-07 12:35
#41
JW | 
Finland Ilucs
Idiot. You clearly have no clue about anything do you?
2019-05-07 12:47
I mean he won't stream for that many years - neither can you play professional CS for many years. He's comfortably securing a living for his entire life. The choice is easily made when you can earn that much money with streaming.
2019-05-07 12:49
Both Shroud and Skadoodle were continually trashed here on HLTV by a group of users, and their defenders were rare. The effect of this was evident when their teammates expressly defended them against the criticism in official team statements. There's only so much hate a person can take before it starts to affect them.
2019-05-07 12:50
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I agree but.. I mean CS community is one of the hardest and most toxic. But at same time, i feel like here is where u turn into a real gamer, or a real "Esports" pro player. U get all and everything what u need.. it's where u get molded into a player, a real man, an alpha would take it, and would use this toxicity or shit talking and fuel it into energy and motivation. but then again, its understandable that after choking, after choking every tier 1 event, they got so much shit on, that it was unbearable. Skadaddy before winning the Major, he was playing like a bot.. and thats kinda the reality.
2019-05-07 19:27
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I disagree on your two central points. Single moments in time when a person is criticized can serve as motivation to steel yourself, but continued abuse wears people down. All people. The second point was that he played like a bot. That's your perception. Everyone has bad and good matches, and his play was not markedly diminished.
2019-05-07 20:30
Shroud is one of the most boring people in the scene. Wasn't even that good on C9. Why do people still talk about him? If you watch his streams you are a trash person.
2019-05-07 12:52
shroud is just a pug star, when theres actually something on the line he chokes
2019-05-07 12:53
expected by eu mentality but, they both explained everything already
2019-05-07 14:10
i remember shroud vs navi
2019-05-07 14:10
Pro CS player: Always under pressure, you win big money if you win tournaments, traveling loong hours basically all year, you can get replaced if you dont perform well. Streamer: Earns big money on a daily basis, works from home, no pressure, sponsors, can have your own brand, can have your own community, plays whatever the fuck you feel like. Streamers like shroud or ninja are bassically celebrities
2019-05-07 14:15
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United States GameZ_iwnl
Shroud lost interest as a pro and loved streaming. Thats respectable that he went to a profession he enjoyed more, while Ska lost motivation since he accomplished everything he wanted.
2019-05-07 14:29
More money less effort, who wouldn't?
2019-05-07 14:32
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