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Autimatic isnt top 5 NA
gla1ve | 
North America DeviceISnice_buthisfansareNOT 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8738/EliG.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. all 5 are on better teams with more success, all 5 will rank higher in this years top 20, all 5 have way better LAN and Big event stats (i used lan since bigger sample size, change it to big events same result) also historically, EliGE 2x top 20 both above auti NAF top 6, auti not TwistZz top 12, auti not auti 1 mvp in 2016 TwistZz 2 mvp Naf 3 mvp
2019-05-13 14:07
Na link
2019-05-13 14:08
#5
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Poland Okyoaku 
he might be, but do not forget tabsen, only decent german player in cs;go
2019-05-13 14:52
auti > tabsen idk if ur suggesting otherwise
2019-05-13 14:52
#26
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Poland Okyoaku 
Just sayin that tabsen is the only comparable player in germany in terms of frags, skill and gamesense , but propably overall You're rights, but difference is not that huge
2019-05-13 15:08
i can agree with that i suppose
2019-05-13 15:09
#32
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Poland Okyoaku 
And there is more, if we compare their stats in 2018 and 2019 tabsen looks better overall
2019-05-13 15:12
not in 2018 auti was #17, tabsen was like #25ish we know that ethan was #21, i forgot the rest to 30, put tgrwi1s posted it
2019-05-13 15:18
#41
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Poland Okyoaku 
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. but i can agree that cs is not only about stats
2019-05-13 15:19
true, but online matches are less important hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. i will admit tabsen played well in 2017, but as a whole id say auti has had a way better career then tabsen
2019-05-13 15:20
#47
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Poland Okyoaku 
yup, in terms of career Autimatic is way more successfull , and most of the time he had slighty better team around him than tabsen, maybe not right now tho. Even if we take stats from big tournaments they are incredibly close. i hope both of them can show their potential in really great teams .
2019-05-13 15:25
i hope tabsen goes to an international team gob b is old and getting worse at fragging by the day nex has a temporary peak at cologne going evp, been a bot since tizian never good xantares idek idk how good like english is but i hope he goes to a better team
2019-05-13 15:27
Nex's performance in a graph wiil look like irregular heart beat of a patient. Tizian is good as a support. He has awful stats because of his teammates.
2019-05-13 15:44
#56
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Poland Okyoaku 
+999 to this. but the problem is BIG don't need another supportive kind of player and as we can see XANTARES can't show up his skills on highest level. they were good with smooya
2019-05-13 15:56
#66
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
autimatic is not even on a good team ;)
2019-05-14 02:25
#79
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
You should always put Big Events rather than LAN.
2019-05-14 03:40
17 big event maps isnt enough if auti can get a 1.2 on 40-50 maps, thatll be a big enough sample size 17 maps is like 2 events for example, epicenter 2017 was a 8 team event yet VP played 8 maps in groups, 3 in semis, 5 in finals, 16 total
2019-05-14 03:42
i cant believe ppl like u actually think u know what ur talking about 17 maps lol, not enough when auti gets 40 big event maps under the belt, then we can use that, but 17 maps is like 2 events, not enough sample size
2019-05-15 17:11
#208
ropz | 
Netherlands Lil_p33p 
Who is in your opion better than tim in na? He is not the best in na but he is fking top 5 dude, if you cant see that then you are actual brain dead.
2019-05-16 17:39
if u think 17 maps is a big enough sample size then ur pretty braindead urself top 6 na players 1. twistZz 2/3. brehze 2/3. naf 4. elige 5. ethan 6. autimatic
2019-05-17 20:02
I think NAF is better than brehze overall, but the american one is better aimwise, tho.
2019-05-17 21:15
they are so close which i why i have them tied both better then auti tho
2019-05-18 00:03
ye
2019-05-18 00:59
#3
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Poland dailyy 
and then change it to big events instead of lan :)
2019-05-13 14:13
same result, LAN is bigger sample size also c9 plays more t2-t3 lans then liquid and nrg, so c9 players should have an advantage since they get ez matches for their rating whereas liquid and NRG play basically only t1 lans besides 1 or 2, meaning their lan and big event ratings are basically the same c9 hasnt played enough big event maps this year for their stat to be reliable, just like ustillo at sydney
2019-05-13 14:51
#80
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
I disagree. There is a good reason why the top 20 is mainly based around rating at big events. I know the sample size is an issue, but I don't think there are enough outliers. Liquid has done very well at some non-BE LANs, and I think that they had weaker opposition there.
2019-05-14 03:42
#81 also the top 20 ranking looks at LAN rating, thats why oskar and guardian were ranked so high last year BTW c9 played more t2-t3s then liquid
2019-05-14 03:43
#83
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
I still think that the other players are getting stat-boosted from the small LAN's more than autimatic is. The sample size is obviously a problem, and I think he's worse than the TL players, but the NRG players are heavily stat-boosted from smaller LANs.
2019-05-14 03:52
C9 have played more non big event maps then NRG this year even NRG's big event stats > autis stats dispite auti not having a reliable sample size fact is auti isnt top 5 na anymore
2019-05-14 03:53
#86
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
Autimatic has a higher rating at big events. Also, I think it's too early to say that autimatic isn't top 5 in NA anymore, considering the performance he had in Madrid.
2019-05-14 03:55
blast pro series omegalul no liquid no faze no mibr, only bo1s, and two of the bo1s were against giants and nip ur joking right NRG playing events like starseries and sydney C9 playing blast and eleague invitational clearly NRG duo > auti
2019-05-14 03:56
#90
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
Ok yeah, but he had decent performances against Astralis and ENCE too. BLAST is an garbage event, but I still consider it to have some worth.
2019-05-14 03:59
Yes, but NRG have been playing way better events with way more competition that have way more value and their duo has way better stats so idk what ur getting at
2019-05-14 03:59
#92
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
Sydney yes, but StarSeries had a lot of series comparable to NIP level opponents. I know that they are bo3s rather than bo1s, but that doesn't mean the results are invalid. Autimatic also seems like a more versatile player to me, which I know isn't a major reason to make him top 5, but I still give him some credit for it.
2019-05-14 04:04
i respect ur opinion, what is ur top 6 NA here is mine and tbh some of them are close so ill give a general list 1/2.) TwistZz/Brehze (say what u want but 1.27 rating for like 5 events is insane, he'll be top till his performence drops) 3.) NAF 4/5.) EliGE/Ethan 6.) Auti 7.) Huge drop from 6, prob someone like nitr0/stew/tarik but its a big drop
2019-05-14 04:06
#94
YEKINDAR | 
China lxxl 
I would switch NAF and Brehze, but I'm probably biased since I've seen a lot more from NAF. And I would put EliGE, Ethan, and Autimatic at about the same rank. Autimatic edges out Ethan/nahtE in my opinion, but yeah, no idea who is #7.
2019-05-14 04:08
I suggest watching some NRG games, Brehze has truly been insane this year, I know this wont happen, BUT if the year ended today brehze is top 5
2019-05-14 04:09
I agree with you if your top 5 is in terms of EOY rankings. Autimatics team is terrible and because of that he won't be close to top 20, he will probably be lower than Stewiek2k and Nitr0. If you mean by pure skill and performance Autimatic is top 4 with NAF, Twistzz, Brehze. Im an NRG fan but i can't see Ethan or Elige performing to the same level if they were put on c9 instead of autimatic. Nahte, Twistzz and NAF probably could they have better aim and mechanics imo. This is all personal opinion.
2019-05-15 14:19
U think auti can outfrag elige?? EliGE is a 3rd banana, he has to play behind 2 ppl, put auti in that position and he is set up to fail
2019-05-15 17:12
i dont think this really says anything, auti has a dogshit team around him where he has to deal with fucking vice and rush. compared to liquid having all god teir players
2019-05-13 14:53
liquid's god tier players are the ones better then auti, they make liquid good, liquid doesnt make them good it doesnt work that way, they make each other better lemme ask u, why is s1mple's rating always so good? most common responce: "he is insane and bad teammates besides elec so he gets baited in and no one steals his frags" why doesnt the same apply to auti, others bait for him yet he cant even post as good numbers as a 3rd string player
2019-05-13 14:54
not good numbers? you do know he was a top 3 player at the last event he went to. and yes all the players in liquid are really good, but if auti was in liquid he would be the best in na, 100%. he has a revolving door of teammates and never gets any structure or synergy
2019-05-13 14:56
last event as in blast? as in blast without liquid or nrg as in blast without navi or mibr (albeit less important) as in blast with only 6 teams, 1 of which is just a hometown joke invite as in t2 blast only bo1s? if auti was in liquid, he would be their 4th best teammate, he baits his teammates as hard as s1mple or prime cold, yet his rating is far off
2019-05-13 14:57
navi was missing? am i watching the same event? and yes i know blast is a joke,but still he had a 1.35 on c9. and he baits abit but not as bad a jame
2019-05-13 14:59
my bad i meant faze instead of navi nonetheless my point still stands also jame has a better rating, and jame has pretty bad teammates too u seen qikert krizzen(not anymore i guess) sanji and fitch
2019-05-13 15:01
jame has insane teammates but thats not the point. and it is still a 1.35 with a team that went 16 14 to giants
2019-05-13 15:02
is beating giants supposed to be impressive?
2019-05-13 15:03
im saying as it is a bad thing? and for c9 yes i would say beating anyone is impressive
2019-05-13 15:03
2 things i wanna mention 1.) can u quickly look up the ratings of jame's teammates besides buster, im talking big event for the past few years, lan for this year 2.) remember navi in 2017, they were like world #20, everyone on that team sucked, im talking about the time when guardian left but before electronic joined, s1mple was still insane during that time period zeus vs golden edward vs vice seized vs rush flamie vs cajunb those teams are both shit, yet s1mple still posted up insane numbers im not trying to compare auti and s1mple, but im using s1mple as an example to show that having bad teammates is good for posting good ratings, since u get to bait everyone on ur team think about elige, he is a 3rd string player on liquid, taking the entry role at times, he isnt the star of liquid yet his rating is 0.08 better, a pretty big difference
2019-05-13 15:08
your comparing auti to the best player to ever touch the game, this is disingenuous af. and the difference is the STRUCTURE on the team and have vets.
2019-05-13 15:10
1.) that isnt prime s1mple we are comparing "prime auti" to 2.) i mentioned that i wasnt expecting auti to match s1mple, i was just using non prime s1mple as an example that having bad teammates can lead to insane ratings 3.) besides vice, all of the other players on c9 are pretty experienced 4.) i directly compared auti to elige auti is in a star role, the team plays around him elige isnt support or anything but he certainly isnt a top 2 player on the team given twistzz and naf, yet even with a way lesser role AND the fact that liquid plays against harder opponents, elige's rating is far superior still
2019-05-13 15:13
bro do you not realize that these players have been playing together for about 2-3 years as a core and auti has played with 2 of his teammates for like a month. The structure on the team is the most important thing
2019-05-13 15:15
i wanna hear ur opinion rank these 6 players Brehze, ethan, twistZz, elige, naf, auti
2019-05-13 15:15
Naf ethan twistzz brehze elige auti, its not a question that at this moment that auti isnt top 5 na
2019-05-13 15:17
bruh whats the purpose of ur arguement then, our top 6 na lists are almost the same i never said auti was a bot or anything, just saying any1 saying he is top 1 na is deluded
2019-05-13 15:19
I agree that having bad teammates may equate to higher ratings but i dunno why you would compare to s1mple or Jame. Do you not see the structure within their teams? Does c9 seem to have that level of structure? It's so scrimmy and all over the place with c9 since they just got together and havent been together as a working 5 man in over a year. Also, if your saying other c9 players are technically bad then theyre really not (besides golden and rush). Cajunb was top fragging every 2 to 3 games in optic and was their best player with konfig (more consistent overall than konfig). Vice was the best player from his team too, yet when they join c9 the lack of structure pushes them both down to 0.9 rating players. AND in this situation autimatic still manages to shine at 1.16 rating with this team. This just shows that autimatic is overall a better player. I wouldnt put autimatic as top 1 NA or even top 3 NA as i think thats taken by Twistzz and NAF for sure and then maybe Elige/Brehze. But i would say Autimatic is interchangeable with ELige and Brehze better than Nahte and maybe a bit worse than NAF and Twistzz.
2019-05-15 14:28
Autimatic cannot put up 1.27 rating for 5 months no matter what situation he is in, so he is worse than brehze i seriously doubt autimatic could put up a 1.20 rating playing behind 2 others like elige does i also doubt auti could match nahte's 1.22 rating playing behind someone like brehze he just isnt a good as his fangays claim he is
2019-05-15 16:40
i feel like you just dont like autimatic or something. If fans or non-fans of Autimatic say he's one of the best in NA and analysts also say he is then what makes you think he's not? Also are you seriously going to bring up ratings? Autimatic was ~1.2 rating for 8 months when c9 was at their peak . leading up to major... STOP saying behind someone like theres a ranking within a team. If a team performs well, generally everyone in the team performs better than if they get destroyed. Since u love bad examples with your simple comparing to autimatic lets look at Astralis. Those guys have 3 1.2+ players and 1 1.15+ player. Look at who left them Kjaebae was a 1.10+ player in 2017 then in 2018 with North he drops to 1.0 in big events. Is it form or does losing and his team affect that?? Was Kjaerbae the star of Astralis before he left? NO WAY he was third player like Elige is in your terms. Look at Magisk in 2017 vs 2018 as well in 2018 he was 1.18 in big events and in 2017 he was 1.07. Hes a great player but do you not see the change? TLDR A GOOD TEAM AROUND YOU will make YOU A BETTER RATED PLAYER. AUTIMATIC unlike nahte, brehze, elige, twistzz, naf doesnt have a solid team. How many times has he had to make a play without a solid flash. He has one of the lowest flash kills hes basically fighting without needing opponents to be flashed. He's also the second highest entry player in the whole of last tournament so hes not baiting either.
2019-05-17 05:17
#104
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Brazil dev2ce 
lol using nrg mibr and faze as examples of missing good teams
2019-05-14 04:57
#132
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Israel wetz 
Navi is a top 3 team,dont compare them with cloud9
2019-05-15 14:06
cant read?? i was talking about july-nov 2017 like i already mentioned many times, during that period navi was like #20, s1mple's 4 teammates averaged a 0.92 rating, to give u context autis current teammates average 0.90 rating
2019-05-15 14:06
#135
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Israel wetz 
Mybad
2019-05-15 14:07
>players on a top team have better stats that a player on a team that isn't even top30 WHAT??????
2019-05-13 14:54
s1mple better rating then anyone on astralis auti has 4 teammates baiting for him yet he cant even come close to a 3rd string player
2019-05-13 14:55
s1mple plays in a top team too, this is some really weak reasoning
2019-05-13 14:57
im comparing s1mple to prime astralis compared to prime astralis, navi is pretty far behind also navi is only a top team cuz they also have elec s1mple has 3 bad teammates yet puts up insane numbers, auti has 4 bad teammates which means more bait for him, yet his rating is far inferior
2019-05-13 14:58
You're really terrible at logic, it's incredible that you don't realize it. First you start with NA players, then you throw s1mple out in the mix without any reason, then you throw astralis in the mix What the fuck are you even arguing about at this point? Do you even read what you post? You start with a comparison with NA players, then say that autimatic doesn't carry like s1mple (literally no one even compared to s1mple, you just created you own argument) then that Navi isn't a top team if you compare s1mple's teammates to astralis (who would have thought it? Maybe compare to it cloud9 which the topic is about? nah) Big events 2019 Aumatic 1.20 Cajunb 0.89 Rush 0.85 Golden 0.85 vice 0.71 Who has teammates like these? No one.
2019-05-13 15:12
c9 played 15 big events this year u and i both know 15 isnt enough of a sample size, change it to LAN look at autis big event rating last year with a bigger sample size do u seriously think auti is better then any of the following? twistZz (top5-top10) Naf (top10) elige(top 10) brehze (top 10) ethan (top15-20)
2019-05-13 15:15
Why would I look at last year when we are in 2019? He had better stats than brehze last year, does that mean that hes top5 in NA then? Also talking about the last year, none of the NRG players made it to the hltv top20, yet autimatic did it, funnily enough that was one of the original arguments in your OP ("NAF top 6, auti not TwistZz top 12, auti not") but of course you missed that step because you're just shitposting without a hint of logic I know it's not a big enough sample size, but that speaks volume of c9 state, because without blast this team wouldn't even exist anymore, they can't qualify/get invited to any event "do u seriously think auti is better then any of the following?" How am I supposed to know that? I don't think he's better than twistz or elige but there's no way to know if he's better than brehze or ethan if he's stuck in a dead team I don't think you understand how bad is c9 right now, that makes it impossible to make any argument about autimatic
2019-05-13 15:28
Ill explain bringing up 2018 stats since there have barely been any big events this year, im going with the past 10-12 months to determine which player is better, i know its not perfect but c9 just havent played enough this year, and if u take into account the twilight of last year and this year included, u can clearly see a big drop in rating between autimatic and the other 5 i named im not trying to diss autimatic or anything, im just tired of his fanboys saying he is #1, which still happens a lot btw factually speaking auti isnt top 5 na here are the ratings for the 5 this year using lan for bigger sample size Brehze like 1.27 (itll drop to about 1.20) Ethan 1.22 Elige 1.20 twistZz 1.20 Naf 1.19 Keep in mind, especially for the liquid 3 1.) they are taking kills/stats from each other, since all 3 are capable fraggers, whereas auti has 4 pieces of bait at his disposal, they may not win games but auti should be fragging more 2.) liquid is playing many games against astralis/ence/faze/navi c9 is playing against trash teams, meaning auti has a huge advantage with his adversaries 3.) even going back into last year with flusha/kio, auti's rating was worse then elige naf ethan and twistZz, not sure about brehze but i think it was worse than him too. im not saying auti is a bot or anything im just saying he isnt top 5 na, do u disagree with that
2019-05-13 15:34
"not sure about brehze but i think it was worse than him too." No it wasn't. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/8735/auti.. You still making using that non-argument, "he has 4 players playing as a bait", what does it even mean? Absolutely nothing, baiter is some made up term by people that had no arguments in the first place, people call s1mple a baiter, niko a baiter, zywoo a baiter, valde a baiter (note: they all have something in common) Autimatic plays with 4 player below 0.90 rating, not even 1.0, but 0.90, Liquid and NRG members play in the top team, and YET autimatic he's the one having an advantage, because Liquid and NRG teammates could steal from each other? lmao You do understand how that does it work? That could be an argument for MVP titles, (ie: assuming team A wins a tournament the over- perfoming player of the team A would always win the MVP title) but that doesn't traslate in rating, because if you team is gonna win 16-4 you will still have a positive raiting, even with a mediocre/average KD ratio, because rating it's not just about kills, it's about trading and SURVIVING, both are pretty hard stats to have when playing in a team that gets demolished by any top opponent. Unless autimatic joins either NRG/Liquid or goes international, there's no way to place him in a ranking.
2019-05-13 15:49
buddy can u read? i said brehze wasnt worse then auti in the END of 2018, direct quote "even going back into last year with flusha/kio, auti's rating was worse then elige naf ethan and twistZz, not sure about brehze but i think it was worse than him too." was the "with flusha and kio" part not comprehendable? did i say with stewie tarik skadoodle and rush? i was comparing autis stats the last time he had an alright team to the current top 5 i know auti > brehze for the year as a whole, but i was saying towards the end of 2018 and the entirety of this year brehze > auti u said all of c9 <0.90? ight then nice stats bro where did u find them? hltv.org/stats/players/compare/2469/caju..
2019-05-14 02:29
he said he was doing big events early on dude... #31
2019-05-15 14:31
thats where his faliure of an arguement began do ppl seriously not understand 10-17 maps is not even close to enough???? like thats literally 1-3 events given on how deep ur run in (VP played 16 maps at epicenter, that was an 8 team event with no quarterfinals) also ur just gonna ignore the fact that he completely misunderstood when i said brehze > auti for the later part of the year and he brings up their full year stats. which are pretty similar btw
2019-05-15 16:38
dude stop i didnt say it was a good argument i just said u twisted the stats to support your argument. Atleast acknowledge what he said
2019-05-17 05:05
I didnt twist anything its very common that 17 maps in way too small of a sample size, if u dont understand that then ur prob still in middle school using a tiny sample size like that for the year is like saying ustillo was mvp of sydney since he had the highest rating, auti needs more maps under his belt b4 his big event stats become meaningful
2019-05-17 16:42
#133
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Israel wetz 
+1
2019-05-15 14:06
Crazy right? Who would have thought?
2019-05-13 14:58
#10
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Poland Lukovsky 
NA brain in a nutshell. No wonder everyone calls you burgers
2019-05-13 14:55
#11
2019-05-13 14:55
brain burger? i’d eat that
2019-05-13 14:55
Is it only me thats not able to join public lobbies on MM?
2019-05-13 14:56
#29
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Belarus fan_of_North 
Imagine being stuck at this dogshit roster at your carrer's peek
2019-05-13 15:10
imagine ur career peak being a 1.12 rating with 4 ppl hard baiting for u
2019-05-13 15:23
#60
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Belarus fan_of_North 
2 legit bots, 1 decent player (considering his igling abilities and ability to frag at the same time), 1 semi decent leftover. Pretty sure u dont watch c9 games. Definitely autimatic is at his peek rn but doesn't have a team surrounding him
2019-05-13 16:52
never said he wasnt at his peak just saying his peak isnt even top 5 na
2019-05-14 02:22
#162
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United States Jammin800k 
He was one of the only 4 NA players in top 20 last year. Wins have a direct impact on rating much better to get 1 kill and survive in a won round than 2 kills, die, and lose the round. Obviously better teams will have higher ratings. Autimatic is losing much more often than Liquid and NRG which tanks his rating. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. He was the 3rd highest rated NA player last year. It's hard to say where he falls right now cause c9 is a complete mess and for rankings currently yes I'd have the Liquid trio and NRG duo above him but if I was making a team around one NA player? It would be NAF, Auti, twistzz in that order. No way I'd take an NRG player before Tim if I was building an NA super team, hes just far too versatile and literally always performs.
2019-05-15 17:08
Why did u use LAN for last year? Use big events i cant believe i have to say this again but THE ONLY REASON I USED LAN IS CUZ AUTI DIDNT EVEN PLAY 20 MAPS OF BIG EVENTS 17 is way too small a sample size, but for last year Auti played enough, use big events, also were talking about this year not last year
2019-05-15 17:09
#167
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United States Jammin800k 
I used LAN vs top 20 teams which is basically Big Events but with even more BS matches vs weak teams filtered out and it includes events like eleague invitational and summit which still have impact on the scene, especially for tier 2 teams. Either way you ignored the entire rest of my argument and only focused on the link. But here I'll fix it for you: hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2018-01.. Still easily top 5, 2nd in fact My point of bringing up last year is to show that when he has a team that's capable he ranks top 5 easily but a losing team makes your rating suffer. Tim is without a doubt one of the 5 most talented players in NA, that doesnt mean his performance rating wise will always be in the top 5 there are many factors that affect rating, winning being a primary one.
2019-05-15 17:16
to be honest i dont even know what ur arguement is ive read too many "auti is just better IF IF IF IF IF IF IF he had a better team hed be top 3 or whatever" first of all, fuck u if u think that, IF IF IF pronax had s1mple's aim, hed be top 1 better then every other player EVER combined second of all, instead of just saying auti is top 5, pls tell me WHICH of my top 5 u think auti is better then, then ill provide an arguement as to why i think that person is better then auti, if u think auti is top 3 then i give up rn cuz ive been through this too many times
2019-05-15 17:16
#171
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United States Jammin800k 
Did you even bother to read my comment? I literally said if I was ranking players it would be a mix of the Liquid trio and NRG duo for top 5 then Auti. You're completely deadset on your own narrative and arent accepting other arguments. Autimatic had a better year last year than all of the NRG players and is more versatile. Even if ranking wise Tim would be below them hes still a better and more complete player. Just like Valde was ranked 20th last year but he was clearly a better individual player than people like elige and rain.
2019-05-15 17:24
thing is look at their match history they lose EVERY match its hard af to havea a good rating when getting stomped. cause economcs in cs. s1mple still has a decent team auti really dont
2019-05-14 04:51
im talking about s1mple 2017 july-nov this was his team Flamie 1.00-1.05 Seized 0.80-0.85 Zeus 0.85-0.90 Edward 0.90-0.95 i calculated it earlier about 0.92 average to give u context, autis teammates current average is 0.90, pretty similar if u ask me
2019-05-15 17:18
#173
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United States Jammin800k 
Arent we talking about NA though? Why don't you compare the ratings of autis teammates to Liquid.
2019-05-15 17:25
#30
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Sweden Trkmag 
0/8, Liqiud players stats are boosted by the fact that they are winning while autimatic is 1v10 in C9 (Vice counts as two enemies)
2019-05-13 15:11
navi was 1v10ing in 2017 after guardian left and before elec joined s1mple was top 8, whats autis excuse for holding a 1.12 rating with 4 ppl personally baiting for him
2019-05-13 15:16
#57
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Sweden Trkmag 
The players s1mple had around him are still 40 times better than RUSH/vice, and cajun and Golden are average as well. NaVi were doing better than C9 is doing now
2019-05-13 16:06
no i wouldnt say edward/zeus/seized 2017 are that much worse then rush/vice/golden both groups of 3 are pretty shit about 0.95 average between them
2019-05-14 02:22
#118
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Sweden Trkmag 
Worse? They are obviously better than rush vice golden.
2019-05-14 21:28
Guardian leaves Navi in July Electronic joins in November Flamie July-Nov: about 1.04 Seized July-Nov: about 0.82 Edward July-Nov: about 0.93 Zeus July-Nov: about 0.89 Average: 0.92 rounded up Now lets look at current c9 aka auti's teammates CajunB so far: 1.01 Vice so far: 0.77 Golden so far: 0.88 RUSH so far: 0.92 Average: 0.90 rounded up No, i wouldnt say they are "obviously better" they are barely better and thats due to flamie
2019-05-15 00:33
#124
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Sweden Trkmag 
The stats is not as relevant if they are passing the eyetest better and if they found more success. Current C9 is super bad wheras the NaVi lineup still was doing somewhat okay.
2019-05-15 12:30
Navi was world #20 with a top 3 csgo player of all time does that sound okay to u? navi were only somewhat relevent BECAUSE s1mple is so much better then autimatic, their 4 teammates were similar
2019-05-15 13:57
#136
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Sweden Trkmag 
They were about 10-12 , they got point drops when Guardian and seized left. And as I wrote at #58, s1mple is just better than auti
2019-05-15 14:11
s1mple is "just better" then auti s1mple is a couple a tiers better then auti s1mple vs auti is like prime astralis vs 2019 non NA/Danish/Finnish scene
2019-05-15 14:12
#145
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Sweden Trkmag 
Yeah he is better. But I don't get it, 1.12 while playing in a dead team isn't bad, constantly losing while Liquid is doing really good and getting good ratings because of that
2019-05-15 14:50
1.20 while playing behind 2 other ppl is also pretty good wouldnt u say? 1.27 is pretty fucking good, thats better then prime olof/device i know he wont keep this form but still 1.22 also pretty good and the last two are twistZz and naf, both 1.19-1.20, both a smaller role the auti since they have to share the spotlight with each other, both mvps this year
2019-05-15 16:35
#170
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United States Jammin800k 
So you dont think if say Liquid slotted in autimatic for elige or NAF that his rating wouldnt go up due to winning more and being on a better more structured team? Of course it would.
2019-05-15 17:20
if if if if if if if liquid stopped choking theyd have an era if twistZz got prime KennyS awping skills hed have 1.50 rating if valde replaced xyp9x or dupreeh hed be top 10 if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if Liquid won MLG, maybe s1mple wouldnt have left, also NA era in 2016 since LG confidence destroyed maybe there is a chance if Fnatic replayed LDLC dispite all of the death threats from LDLC fans, maybe fnatic 4 majors if navi planned for ence better, maybe navi wins a major maybe tho maybe if if if if if auti isnt top 5 NA, thats just the fact, if auti was in liquid, we dont know if he would be, there is a chance but its not a garentuee
2019-05-15 17:24
#174
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United States Jammin800k 
Hes top 5 in terms of talent, not performance theres a distinct difference.
2019-05-15 17:27
He isnt top 5 in terms of talent or performance this year u have absolutely 0 proof of him being more talented then any of the 5 superstars men lie, women lie, numbers dont
2019-05-15 19:56
#179
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United States Jammin800k 
That's because talent is subjective. Stats are doors to answers not fullproof answers .
2019-05-16 00:42
Stats are not the full answer, but they are a part of it hypotheticals arent part of the answer at all so u need to chill with all of the IF talk
2019-05-16 02:25
#182
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United States Jammin800k 
Well it's not that hypothetical because Autimatic WAS one of the best players in NA last year statistically and visually. Currently I already agreed he wasnt so theres no IF talk you're just pressing your narrative and ignoring my points
2019-05-16 02:40
Ur points are all invalid, they are all based off of hypotheticals my narrative may be anti autimatic, but they have more truth then urs
2019-05-16 02:40
#184
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United States Jammin800k 
How is it hypothetical when it was proven last year?
2019-05-16 02:41
because the thread is about RN, not about last year if ur arguing last year, then i guess ur correct but ur input contributes absolutely nothing to this discussion
2019-05-16 02:43
#192
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United States Jammin800k 
The year still has 7 months left too. A lot can change by the end of the year auti could easily end higher than some of the NRG players especially if theres roster changes. Rn: NAF Elige Twistzz Brehze Ethan Auti Nitr0
2019-05-16 02:54
this again? things COULD change im talking about right now, im not argueing if auti was top 5 na last year or if he will be top 5 na in 2023 im talking about Jan-May 2019 A.D
2019-05-16 02:54
#194
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United States Jammin800k 
Learn to read please it's getting tiresome
2019-05-16 02:55
bitch u edited over half of it
2019-05-16 02:56
#196
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United States Jammin800k 
I've made the same comment like 4 times throughout this discussion Currently I already agreed he wasnt   Hes top 5 in terms of talent, not performance theres a distinct difference. Learn to read
2019-05-16 02:57
Where is the proof that as of right now he is top 5 in talent Ur just saying "oh hes just better" there is no proof auti is in a star role, elige and ethan arent, put auti BEHIND another TWO players and he'll do even worse
2019-05-16 02:58
#198
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United States Jammin800k 
The quality of your team has just as big of an impact on your rating as your role. Do you disagree that when your team loses more your rating is lower? Ethan and elige have teams with much better players and much better systems of course their stats are higher.
2019-05-16 03:02
No i disagree since MANY players in the past put up historic numbers on horrible teams/teammates auti just isnt as good as his fangays claim
2019-05-16 03:03
#200
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes I never said there werent outliers. Obviously there are going to be insane players that shine on every team but auti is by far the best performing member on his team while Elige NAF and Twitszz all get to play off each other. And the NRG duo also has the best AWPer in NA on their team. Theres a clear correlation between winning and having a higher rating. If you cant see that then you're delusional.
2019-05-16 03:07
#202
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United States Jammin800k 
And even with those players when they finally got on elite teams their ratings improved even more. Take s1mple for example he got on better and better teams which allowed him to show more and more skill and now hes #1 by far.
2019-05-16 03:08
#176
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Sweden Trkmag 
You just ignored my point? There's an obvious reason to why they have better ratings
2019-05-15 20:31
#58
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Sweden Trkmag 
Plus s1mple is just better than autimatic
2019-05-13 16:06
#140
smooya | 
United Kingdom fal36 
+1 hes arguing as if ppl are claiming that auti is the new s1mple
2019-05-15 14:25
He is number 6
2019-05-13 15:21
thank you whats ur top 5 i got twistZz brehze naf elige ethan
2019-05-13 15:22
1. Twistzz 2. Naf 3. Ethan 4. Elige 5. Brehze 6. Autimatic
2019-05-13 15:22
Twistz Naf Brehze Elige Ethan Auti
2019-05-13 15:30
#76
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Canada is_so_bad 
I imo brehze > ethan and elige > both
2019-05-14 03:28
#49
rain | 
Finland FocusMen 
Lmao maybe cuz auti plays in a shitty team
2019-05-13 15:27
rank ur top 6 na players, then we can continue the debate
2019-05-13 15:27
#61
rain | 
Finland FocusMen 
1. Twistzz 2. Brehze 3. Auti 4. NAF 5. Ethan Elige sg noob smh
2019-05-13 22:12
u cant seriously think auti > naf thats brain damage right there
2019-05-14 02:21
#108
rain | 
Finland FocusMen 
lol Naf is so inconsistent and choking V astralis
2019-05-14 08:09
#59
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United Kingdom Consistent 
I think he's capable of being at the top in NA but is so limited by his team that there is little he can do. If Tim was on liquid I think his stats would be around those of Naf but obviously thats not going to happen. If I had to rank my top 5 it would be: 1. Twistzz 2. Naf 3. Ethan 4. Autimatic 5. Elige I know you don't agree but I personally think he's up there. I also think that he's capable of being the best in NA, but I feel like he needs a better team first. (Being the best means nothing if you're team isn't performing well enough to prove it)
2019-05-13 16:19
#95
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North America SLGam1ng 
+1
2019-05-14 04:09
I can respect ur opinion, but u really need to watch some NRG the fact u dont even have brehze top 5 is hella disrespectful he is putting up 1.27/1.25 LAN/Big event rating and its not just the rating, just watching him he is insane, i know this wont happen, but if he keeps this form up all year, he will finish top 5, add some mvps and maybe even top 3 he's truly amazing so far this year
2019-05-14 04:11
whats that?? 17 maps?? damn thats a great sample size right there
2019-05-14 02:27
#68
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
TOP 5 NA 1- Twistzz 2- NAF 3- autimatic 4- Brehze 5- EliGE
2019-05-14 02:26
Brehze 2019 1.27 Auti 2019 1.12 nice joke there EliGE 1.20 Ethan 1.22 nice nice nice nice
2019-05-14 02:26
#72
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
remember that autimatic is playing with tier2 team
2019-05-14 03:04
yeah, auti has 4 ppl baiting for him elige has to play behind 2 other ppl yeah yeah ur logic is perfect if elige had 4 ppl baiting for him, he'd have a 1.30 rating if auti had to play behind 2 ppl, he'd have like a 1.05 rating
2019-05-14 03:23
#85
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
You don't know what you are talking about lol go play fortnite
2019-05-14 03:54
Do you watch c9 games? If you did you would notice Auti doesn’t bait to get kills in blast Madrid he had the highest opening kills on c9 (and 2nd in the whole tournament just behind simple)if he had a solid team around him I think he could easily be the 3rd best player in NA maybe 2nd
2019-05-14 04:10
#73
rmn | 
Portugal lksscs 
imagine autimatic playing for liquid, he would be so much better than EliGE
2019-05-14 03:07
rating is not everything
2019-05-14 03:38
it basically is when the difference is that big
2019-05-14 03:38
1. Tarik 2. Naf 3/4. Elige 4/3. Autimatic 5. Brehze
2019-05-14 02:26
#87
tarik | 
Morocco Most! 
1. tarik 2. Brehze 3. Ethan 4. Auti 5. Twistzz
2019-05-14 03:55
well he is being forced to awp and playing for cloud9 who isn't winning much right now. winning boosts your stats a lot, and all the liquid players are doing a lot of winning.
2019-05-14 03:08
+1 It's why Astralis players get so overrated. In terms of skill there are a lot better out there, stats are just boosted by how they won.
2019-05-14 04:16
#99
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United States jay_320 
Autimatic is the best player in NA IMO barring Twistzz. The fact his stats are so good in Big Events despite his team being shitty is a credit to him. It actually makes those stats more impressive. Personally I think he's a perfect hybrid AWP. Very much like Device in playstyle. Smart positioning, good game sense, good aim, good movement. He gets a little tunnelvisioned with the AWP but I think it's a pretty hard weapon to make a full time transition to. What Autimatic needs is a good team to truly judge him on. I have full faith it will happen eventually whether it's C9 or somewhere else. You don't let a player that good languish. C9 will essentially give him up and sell him or buy a star and soon. It'd be a shame if the NA household brand left CS but the lack of decisiveness in the leadership and the unwilliningness to spend has not been a good look. They should have made Sunny the best package any player in CS has ever gotten. They should have offered Hector the world for Konfig. Management is still playing with their eyes firmly on the bottom line however and they don't seem to feel the desperation the fans do yet.
2019-05-14 04:17
My guy u gotta look at LAN Stats until c9 plays more big events 17 maps is like 2 events u and i both know that is WAY to small a sample size also c9 have been playing easier teams compared to liquid and nrg brehze big event and lan rating both way better ethan lan way better, big event worse i think but once again auti needs more maps under the belt twistZz lan way better, big event similar, but he has an MVP, auti sample size once again naf lan way better, big event similar, but he has an MVP, auti sample size once again EliGE lan way better, big event worse, HOWEVER, elige is playing behind 2 other players, its hard to post insane stats when ur the 3rd banana, auti has 4 ppl playing around him
2019-05-14 04:20
#101
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United States jay_320 
My guy. You've made my point in several different ways.
2019-05-14 04:46
If you win, you typically have better stats. If you lose, you typically have worse stats. Liquid is the much better team, so those players are going to shine more.
2019-05-14 04:50
oh so thats why s1mple's stats are far superior to anyone on prime astralis/prime fnatic/prime sk
2019-05-14 14:00
cause s1mple is a prodigy, one of the best if not the best player to ever play CS:GO so you put him in any team and he's going to shine, Auti is a very good player with a very bad team around him your not going to expect him to go god mode and carry C9 #3 in the world as s1mple has done so comparing simple to auti holds no value, even if it did hold value we are talking about NA players here. Also, that's like saying gla1ve was the 8th best player in 2018 purely based on skill, no his stats were bloated because of the dominant form astralis were in so saying winning doesn't have an effect on your stats is quite dumb, simple only has those stats because he is the best player to ever play CS:GO
2019-05-15 00:53
#105
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Auti has a bad team around him. Before you bring up the bullshit like "S1mple and Na'vi blah blah blah" Na'vi is built around Elec and s1mple. The other 3 can have shit games because 99% of their fragging power is the other 2. Auti doesn't have that. His team hasn't even settled in and he's putting up respectable performances. You can't just an athlete on his abilities comparable to other athletes by testing him when he's injured. That's not a fair comparison. This conversation simply can't happen until their is even some form of consistent C9 line up.
2019-05-14 04:59
I wonder what it's like to be this dumb lmao
2019-05-14 05:01
nice links
2019-05-14 05:08
when you play in a winning team, you get good ratings by default. auti is better
2019-05-14 14:02
#109
2019-05-14 14:02
so what
2019-05-14 14:03
direct counter proof in 2017 s1mple (not prime s1mple btw) fielded teammates of seized edward zeus and flamie, he posted a 1.26 rating, higher then prime olof hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp..
2019-05-14 14:06
this is no proof, did you even go to high school? this is nothing but an anomaly, which leads to the direct conclusion that s1mples stats would have been even better if his team was top1 at any point
2019-05-14 14:07
it is a universal truth that 1.) u get better stats playing against worse teams ranking of easiest competition played this year 1.) c9 (played easiest teams) 2.) nrg 3.) liquid (played hardest teams) and 2.) when u are the star player of a team and the team is built around u, ur stats go up ranking of roles/how many ppl bait for u 1.) auti (4 ppl bait for him) 2.) naf 3.) brehze 4.) twistZz 5.) ethan 6.) EliGE (he is often entry, at most 1 person baits for him)
2019-05-14 21:04
#116
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United States stephcurry30 
bad example - seized and flamie were good players back in 2017
2019-05-14 21:08
so thats just a fucking lie hltv.org/stats/players/compare/3347/seiz.. seized was trash the whole year as for flamie, look to the graph at the bottom of the link i sent u, guardian left navi in july, electronic joined in november during that period of time, flamie had a 1.01-1.08 (about 1.04 average) cajunB rn is 1.02 seized was even worse at 0.87, dont know how u said he was good in 2017, i mean i expect nothing less from a bandwagon but sheesh
2019-05-15 00:25
#121
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United States stephcurry30 
nvm it was 2016 that they were doing well
2019-05-15 00:32
#117
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Germany RDNHT 
if you compare all of them just by their ability autimatic is definitely a top 3 player in NA, but if you compare them the same way hltv does in their top 20 series you are right and he is nowhere near players like NAF, ELiGE and Twistzz, because of the lack of success.
2019-05-14 21:20
i do not believe his ability is top 3 the only player out of the 5 true NA superstars that auti is even close to is perhaps ethan, yet ethan is still very young
2019-05-15 00:26
#146
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Germany RDNHT 
imo ethan is still standing in brehzes' shadow and that's why i didn't consider him a top 5 player in NA
2019-05-15 15:41
you can argue auti > ethan but u naf, twistZz, and brehze are far ahead also given elige's lessened role, its amazing his stats are superior
2019-05-15 16:33
#178
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Germany RDNHT 
yeah, you're right in every single point, i didn't think about it enough.
2019-05-15 21:33
top 5 NA autimatic brehze naf twistz elige /close
2019-05-15 12:36
yeah
2019-05-15 12:38
Idk if you'll even see this or reply and I haven't read other replies but autimatic doesn't have a solid team right now. He and RUSH haven't had a solid team since the departure of stewie, tarik and ska. RUSH and autimatic (especially autimatic) were strong players in there roles before the c9 disaster. I think autimatic is in the top 5 somewhere. I think twistzz is definitely above him but everyone else is debatable. Autimatic has switched roles numerous times since c9's disaster and he has still sustained above a 1.10 rating. He switched to AWP, helped with IGL role (flusha and golden), and a few other things. That is insane tbh. I think with better teammates and a complete roster, autimatic should be in the top 3 most completely players in NA.
2019-05-15 12:41
flair checked comment ignored if u have proof of autimatic being better then any of the 5 then ill be willing to take a listen im sick of the "he is just better" or "his team is so much worse" easier to get kills when ur the #1 option rather then the #3 option like elige, yet elige is still putting up way better numbers
2019-05-15 14:01
lmao comment ignored gotta love that one. His stats are worse than nathe, brehze, elige, twistzz and NAF but that doesn't matter he's not a top 5 player. stewie and nitr0 could be considered top 5 players because of their contribution. nitr0 is incredible because over the years of being in Liquid he has switched from being an entry to support (for a little) to IGL to main AWP and IGL. Stewie will entry no matter what. He is an incredibly dynamic AWP player and he brings a lot to the table for IGL. My argument is that autimatic is dynamic just like nitr0 and stewie and he will do anything for the team to succeed. He will train relentlessly to be the best. Stats aren't always the answer for everything. TACO's stats are shit but seeing MiBR without taco and seeing Liquid after taco joined was amazing. TACO is still a crazy good player. With that said, is TACO top 5? no but he is extremely worth it. I'm getting a little side tracked but autimatic is a guy who will do anything for the team, and he will always do it well. With a good team by him, he would be top 3 at least. He has the heart for it. Autimatic and autimatic alone is the sole reason why c9 are still relevant. Without him, they are just a tier 3 or tier 4 team. I'm not arguing that autimatic is in the top 5. Im arguing that he would be in the top 5 if he had a consistent and good team.
2019-05-15 14:33
I never said otherwise all i said was Auti isnt top 5 na so his fangays need to stfu about him being top 1, u and i both know that many ppl spam that BS
2019-05-15 16:36
yeah he is not top 1. Top 1 is definitely twistzz. he's so good all around.
2019-05-16 03:51
not everything is stats.
2019-05-16 02:45
provide proof then stop all of this IF talk
2019-05-16 02:45
#130
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United States Trump2020KAG 
On a shit team. When c9 was good he was top3 Naf on RNG wasn’t in anyone’s top10 for NA Twistzz on misfits wasn’t in anyone’s top10 for NA
2019-05-15 14:02
heres the difference 1.) naf and twistZz werent in their prime on their respective bad teams 2.) s1mple's shit team (2017 july-aug) stats were pretty fucking good, same with niko mouse, and kennyS titan, shit teams = team built around the 1 star = ez kills but no trophies, elige has to play behind 2 ppl and he is still better then auti
2019-05-15 14:04
#137
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United States Trump2020KAG 
U are comparing auti to simple. That’s not fair. Nobody is saying auti is on simples level. But just think of the NA players. Besides auti it’s liquid and nrg players. 100% auti is on same lvl as all them. I never said he is the best. Top 5. I’m one of the few who say Elige is the best NA player. Elige is the best because he peaks all the most difficult spots and gets liquid the most info. Elige also takes the most fights against other teams awper. He is always first to die but yet still gets highs double digit kills.
2019-05-15 14:12
Im using s1mple july-nov 2017, titan kennyS, jame, mouse niko etc to show that u dont need a good team to put up good numbers, u can have a shit team but if the 4 others play around u then u can put up good numbers
2019-05-15 16:42
#204
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United States Jammin800k 
All those teams were still, and in Avangars case are still, performing better than c9 and were pretty much always top 20 in the world if not top 10. Not to mention those are extreme outliers 2 of the players you named are the current #1 and #2 in the world, no one is saying Tim is on those 2s level, just that hes as skilled as any other NA player. Auti does put up good numbers, relative to his teammates hes insane and by far the best and most consistent performer. Really hard to put up the same ratings as players on the #2 and #7 team in the world when your team isnt even in the top 30.
2019-05-16 03:16
Top 5 in NA is just Liquid LUL
2019-05-15 16:38
Stewie2k and his 1 rating vs. Brehze as his 1.27 rating omegalul thats a prime kennyS vs. SmithZz comparison right there
2019-05-15 16:41
was just joke man JHEEEZ xdd
2019-05-15 16:52
whenever ur wrong "ITS JUST A PRANK BRO" "IM BAITING HAHAHA U FELL FOR THE BAIT"
2019-05-15 16:52
bruh i put LUL in the original post real argument made by me for sure kk
2019-05-15 16:54
whenever ur wrong "ITS JUST A PRANK BRO" "IM BAITING HAHAHA U FELL FOR THE BAIT" tell me im wrong, does that not happen? i wasnt saying u exactly, just tired of dealing will all of the retards in this thread dont even know who is joking anymore the most common arguement for auti is "oh hes just better lol IF IF IF IF IF he had a better team hed be better" yea bitch if pronax had s1mples aim hed be goat of everything, but he doesnt
2019-05-15 16:56
it does happen but i wasn't genuine in my argument obviously brehze is a better player than stewie that was kind of the joke you fuckin spergo now stop responding.
2019-05-15 16:57
where's MarkE? hahaha!
2019-05-15 16:40
hahahaha
2019-05-15 16:41
insane
2019-05-15 17:08
name checks out but i seriously think stew can be put in consideration for top 5 NA, although stats don't show it, in Liquid's matches he is getting lots of key impact frags that win rounds
2019-05-15 20:34
+1 he also carried mibr
2019-05-16 02:28
+1
2019-05-16 22:16
#186
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
Numbers, if used incorrectly (like this thread) mean nothing. Auti has tons of reasons to have shit stats, yet he puts above average numbers even is 1v9ing every single game. Auti can call, can frag, can awp, can support... He can do any role with always good numbers. I've just read a post way above, which I totally agree: If I had to build an NA superteam, I would pick Auti over Ethan and Brehze anytime, anyplace... Auti, Elige, Twistzz and NAF are a nobrainer's pick.
2019-05-16 02:45
first of all i wouldnt since auti and twistZz hate each other second of all i wouldnt anyways since i dont think he is as good of a riflers as the other guys, also he has been playing a star role for the longest time and i dont think he could adapt to a lesser role like elige
2019-05-16 02:46
#190
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
"first of all i wouldnt since auti and twistZz hate each other" 'First of all', I really don't care about gossip magazines news of the CSGO scene Second, which part about the roster being hypothetical you didn't get?
2019-05-16 02:50
once again, the only arguments for auti are "hypothetical" rosters/situations show me ANY evidence of auti being current top 5 na and ill take a view, otherwise ur just 1 of many who have tried but failed to proof auti is top 5, ur just one of many who's only arguements are "WELL IF HE HAD A BETTER TEAM" "WELL IF this and that" "WELL IF this happens"
2019-05-16 02:52
#206
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
Like if he needed to prove anything to anyone. He is the best C9 player 2 years, major champion, beast rifler, beast awper, can IGL and for the team he is in, he has HUGE numbers.
2019-05-16 04:36
Lmao this year his number are far inferior to the top 5 na players he was best on c9 for 2 years? wheres his major mvp? also where are his top 20s before 2018 beast rifler??? elige twistZz naf brehze and ethan are better, can IGL? not really, no success igling, isnt even igl rn, wasnt igl with fns, wasnt with tarik, in fact he really doesnt igl HUGE numbers? auti 1.12 Elige 1.20 TwistZz 1.20 Naf 1.19 Ethan 1.22 Brehze 1.27 nice
2019-05-16 05:36
#213
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
I don't know where you found these numbers, but RIGHT NOW Autimatic has 1.17 rating (hltv.org/player/8735/autimatic) and is: - Higher rated than Ethan: hltv.org/player/10671/Ethan - Tied with NAF: hltv.org/player/8520/NAF - 0.1 behind Brehze: hltv.org/player/9136/Brehze - 0.2 behind Elige: hltv.org/player/8738/EliGE - 0.4 behind Twistzz (the best NA player right now): hltv.org/player/10394/Twistzz Knowing this, you should remeber that Auti plays in a team that swap members every month and has two players below 1 rating and one below 0.9. I dare you to show me any player that can keep auti's level in these conditions.
2019-05-16 22:55
im using 2019 stats if u click the links in #2 that would be obvious ill name 3 players who did 10x better then auti in similar situations Titan kennyS July-Nov 2017 S1mple Mouz NiKo
2019-05-17 16:37
#219
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
The 3 players you mentioned are better than Auti, and don't fit at least one of the conditions I said above (unstable and unskilled roster). - Mouz lasted almost 2 years and played 3 major cycles with a 4 player core (NiKo, ChrisJ, denis and spiidi). 2 of them with Nex, more than 1 year with a stable and locked roster. - s1mple is an exception for everything, and a top 3 (arguably top 1) all time CSGO. - Titan was a tier 1 team! NBK, shox, happy (in prime form), kio, smithzz... all of them are major champions. Wtf you talking about? Your point is completely out of context in the discussion here. EDIT: After Liquid got demolished by MIBR yesterday, Auti surpassed NAF's rating, tied with Elige and just 0.2 behind Twistzz lul
2019-05-17 19:31
ur using online stats lmao? btw all mouz players were garbage titan kennyS had shit teammates too not happy and kio they was in ldlc im talking about a specific period where his teammates were kqly, smithZz, scream, ex6tenz, that was their 5 man roster
2019-05-17 20:00
#238
TACO | 
Brazil TonimSan 
I'm using rating based on the past 3 months, which applies to all of them. The point is, since the beggining, that autimatic delivers almost the same numbers with muuuch less resources, he is more versatile than most of most the players you mentioned (maybe Elige is in the same level), he can frag with any gun, and can lead in a decent level.
2019-05-17 21:08
ur using online stats use recent lan stats if u must, not online stats, online matches mean very little my point is, autimatic may be in a bad situation, but that is not the fault of these other guys, its autis fault he resigned with c9, its autis fault he doesnt ask for a transfer or step down, he put himself in this position, and given his current position and play, he is not a top 5 na player, if he leaves and proves me wrong? fine, but im talking as of right now
2019-05-18 00:05
#201
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Other Blitzer 
If we look at the NA scene from the start, this is the top 5: Elige (consistent asf) Naf Hiko Twistzz Auti No specific order! These guys, at their peak, I repeat, at their PEAK, were fantastic.
2019-05-16 03:07
I agree with u if u say like their primes and shit hiko is an underrated one he was just like xyp9x but slightly worse, very close tho but for RN i would say auti isnt top 5
2019-05-16 03:08
#210
Zeus | 
Finland 0lter 
Is xypex top 5 because his stats are good? No. he plays on good team so ofc his stats are better than someone on a bad team would. Same goes liquids players. They play on a better team so their stats are better. Autimatic on the other hand plays on very disorganised bad team so hard to put up the good numbers
2019-05-16 22:18
Im not saying nitr0 > auti im saying twistzz naf elige > auti if u disagree then ur only arguement is "hes just better"
2019-05-16 22:31
#212
Zeus | 
Finland 0lter 
If you seriously think ethan is better than autimatic you are insane. Saying one player is better than the other based on stats alone is asinine, the better teams have better stats which is why astralis player stats so high along with liquid and ence. If you put autimatic into a better team he would wreck ethan and brehze all day
2019-05-16 22:39
oh yeah "hes just better"
2019-05-17 16:36
#220
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United States iblazebugles 
top 5 na players are stewie2k twistz elige nitro naf in no particular order
2019-05-17 19:27
nt retard
2019-05-17 20:00
autimatic its best na player
2019-05-17 20:02
autism 100
2019-05-17 20:02
u have stupid arguments. autimatc have trash team. look naf before liquid,he was struggling in old optic do badly because shit team. Give autimatic a good team and he will be top 10 im the world.
2019-05-17 20:08
ooo give auti good team and he'll be top 10?? first of all hed still be behind twistZz no matter what second of all thats a hypothetical and u are creating a false narrative based on ur feelings, u have no proof whatsoever that if he got a top team hed be a top 10 player, he never made a top 20 before last year, and last year he was #17 and didnt even win the mvp of the event his team won
2019-05-17 20:09
meh,no point talking with u,u said ethan > autimatiC LMAO
2019-05-17 20:39
meh, no point talking with u, u dont know what a space is, also u have no arguements u just say "OHH iF aUtiMatiC hAd a tOP tEaM hE WoUlD bE BeTteR" IF IF IF IF IF if isnt the reality auti aint top 5 fangay sorry to burst ur bubble, come back with facts not feelings AND EVEN IF U THOUGHT HE WAS TOP 5, HE DEF ISNT TOP1 LIKE U SAID no way in hell autimatic is better than twistZz TwistZz > auti in every way possible
2019-05-17 20:41
twistzz not even 2nd best player on his team Lulz
2019-05-17 20:42
twistZz is by far the best player on his team and in the region as a whole, provide me with any evidence that would suggest otherwise, ur all talk, no facts
2019-05-17 20:43
naf > twistzz elige > twistzz autimatic > twistzz brehze > twistzz twisszz around 5
2019-05-17 20:55
once again 0 facts, 0 stats im done with this arguement cya retard
2019-05-17 20:55
#228
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
He got replaced
2019-05-17 20:11
wat u mean
2019-05-17 20:11
#230
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
By better players, so he isn't in top5 anymore.
2019-05-17 20:11
o ok +1 yea he was top 4 last year with elige twistZZ and naf, pushed to 5th by ethan in the last couple of months last year, recently kicked out by brehze
2019-05-17 20:12
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