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Prime kennys awping > s1mple and devve awping
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Brazil I_Hate_North 
/title Kennys is the greatest awp player ever
2019-05-13 22:22
#1
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Sweden Trkmag 
Yes of course
2019-05-13 22:22
#2
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Poland henlo 
kennys would be goat of csgo if not for that stupid awp nerf in 2015
2019-05-13 22:23
#4
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Brazil I_Hate_North 
+1
2019-05-13 22:25
#21
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
Awp nerf was good, not stupid.. It's still a good weapon
2019-05-14 12:48
+1
2019-05-14 20:50
#78
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Lithuania Sealll 
+1
2019-05-14 21:31
Well, When Valve Nerfed it BECAUSE Of kenny its showing something
2019-05-15 00:06
#296
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Germany Fabbsen 
Kenny was so unbelievably good with it because it was OP. If s1mple was in his prime instead of being like 16 at that time with an ESL ban he would've done the same. Still respect to Kenny but overhyping him as a god is just wrong
2019-05-16 01:24
More of a God than Device IMO... And No s1mple wouldn't of...
2019-05-16 01:25
#301
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Germany Fabbsen 
Kenny was better then device yeah and yes s1mple would. I mean he plays like Kenny did in his prime now with AWP despite the nerf so s1mple>Kenny
2019-05-16 01:28
Kenny PRIME > s1mple now KennyS PRIME WITH ALL WEAPONS < S1mple now Kenny now < s1mple.
2019-05-16 01:29
Flair checks out
2019-05-16 05:37
what
2019-05-16 05:38
#369
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Ireland trumptastic 
tbh man s1mple wouldve been atleast on par with kenyy if the nerf didnt happen, imo, but we will never know will we, s1mple couldve been better than kenny, kenny could also have been better than s1mple
2019-05-16 14:31
Kenny is still fasta He ate too much pasta
2019-05-16 11:36
WOULDN'T HAVE, NOT WOULDN'T OF.
2019-05-16 11:26
#169
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Brazil baldok1 
but you can't deny they did the nerf only because of 1 player... So that's what makes it so stupid. It's like " we don't want you at the top".
2019-05-15 05:54
not only kenny was good with awp, yep he was the best in that time with overpowered awp, but still there is plenty of awpers and that gun was fucking OP they nerf it not just cuz of kenny, valve in dota2 nerf there heros every month and always there is someone who plays hero better then anyone and you would say that valve make it only cuz of 1 player? same here there was so many good awpers but kenny was top-1(with broken gun)
2019-05-15 06:54
People litteraly said they nerfed it because of kenny And when I say People I mean Pros
2019-05-16 01:26
Pros are not always right
2019-05-16 07:30
No but they know alot more than us
2019-05-16 07:46
I see no reason why they'd know more about why Valve does things than we do, other than being more intimate with the game itself.
2019-05-16 07:50
#185
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
JW?
2019-05-15 07:18
+1
2019-05-16 01:26
...Did we just like, forget how op the Awp was as well... I mean you can still one shot so...
2019-05-15 11:57
The way you could fast peek corners with awp was pretty op just admit it.
2019-05-15 12:08
#228
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United States Samsquanch_ 
You can still do it if you don’t suck
2019-05-15 13:19
Not while scoped in wich is the nerf and it was op cuz it was easy.....
2019-05-15 17:02
your shot is random if you quickscope.
2019-05-16 10:00
#216
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France LanaRhoades 
They fucked the style of kenny.
2019-05-15 12:44
#251
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Netherlands ZoMilan 
And improved tge game in general, flag checks out
2019-05-15 14:55
nice ass
2019-05-15 16:03
-1
2019-05-16 02:43
#282
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Portugal dyds 
+1 poor kenny :(
2019-05-15 16:46
#41
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Other khorkalba 
If you need one weapon in particular to be a contender for GOAT, then you're not GOAT-worthy. Besides, he only reached #6 in the HLTV rankings WITH the un-nerfed AWP. And he himself said it needed to be nered. So fuck off with your fanboyism.
2019-05-14 20:52
#43
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France Gugus_Patacus 
he only achieved 6th because is team was hot shit, put him in a major contender team at the time and he woulda be top1 that year.
2019-05-14 20:53
#51
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Other khorkalba 
Weak excuse. He played with a VAC banned cheater. Also, this current NaVi team is dogshit. They're not major contenders. That hasn't stopped s1mple from dominating.
2019-05-14 20:58
#53
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France Gugus_Patacus 
You're not comparing flamie and electronic with kqly and apex ? tell me u just didn't do that.
2019-05-14 21:00
#57
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Other khorkalba 
Flamie has been utter trash for over a year now. His stats actually make him look a lot better than he actually is because they're boosted by the occasional 30+ kill performance in a match that doesn't matter. Electronic is good but inconsistent. People underestimate the benefits of playing with a cheater on ones own performance. Even if KennyS had no idea Kqly was cheating, chances are he received a LOT of information from Kqly that wouldn't be possible without cheats.
2019-05-14 21:04
#79
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United States Libtarded 
ur mad
2019-05-14 21:34
#87
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France DesmondHumes 
Electronic is a top 5 player .
2019-05-14 21:39
#93
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Other khorkalba 
Electronic WAS a top 2-3 player for part of last year. For the rest of the year he was mediocre, which dropped him down to 5th. This year he has looked very mediocre. His stats have just been inflated by the occasional great performance, often in low impact matches. He's not really helping S1mple be the #1 player at all. If NaVi removed him tomorrow for Dosia, NaVi would still struggle to win tournaments and S1mple would still be the best.
2019-05-14 21:45
I really don't think you need to prove your point anymore, you're completely correct. Kenny was one of the most promising faces in the game for a long time, and it went as far as that. The nerf isn't even that important once you really dissect the claim. If he was that good, he would've been that good for a longer period of time. I can literal throw in S1 into this conversation and end the argument that Kenny is the best awper in cs history. Nobody has done what S1 did, being that great for that long and is still there. I'll give it to Kenny, his ceiling with the awp is astronomical, and his reaction time was terrifying. At the end of the day, he just wasn't there long enough. For the TLDR people: Stop coming to a discussion forum and not reading someone's whole point. Read because you're not that big of a bum.
2019-05-15 00:37
oh really he has 1.20 rating in 2k19. lol watch others players too other than the baitor.
2019-05-15 10:06
#114
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France SpooceCooke 
He never cheated in official matches, the fuck are you on about
2019-05-14 22:32
xdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd lmao when french people actually believe the most obvious lie in cs history
2019-05-16 10:02
#337
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France SpooceCooke 
give me proof he did and we talk lmao go ahead ! I'm waiting
2019-05-16 11:53
#115
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France SpooceCooke 
He only cheated in mm for a week or something All this time you really thought Kqly cheated in real matches LMFAO Your argument crumbles
2019-05-14 22:35
"He only cheated in mm for a week or something" french topkek
2019-05-15 09:04
#195
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France SpooceCooke 
Literally true, I don’t know what you’re suggesting? You don’t cheat on high level lans without getting caught. Unless you assume every pro cheats on cs
2019-05-15 10:57
#231
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United States Samsquanch_ 
That jumpshot was a hack. KQLY admitted it on livestream with pasha. You really don’t know the French scene as well as you think you do.
2019-05-15 13:20
#288
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France SpooceCooke 
If you find me the proof, I can only admit I was wrong I guess I haven't found it on youtube tho
2019-05-15 18:57
#280
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France Maiwin 
He said that he used it just a week in mm, we trust cheater now? No one know how many times he used his cheat
2019-05-15 16:43
shittalking, brainwashed baguettefucker. like 50-60% of the pros cheated in the past on lan, idiot. just check smn. german player who cheated and yes, on lan to. he said that many more pros are cheating to this time. so go and cry crosointteface
2019-05-16 08:19
#329
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France SpooceCooke 
Just because he said it doesn’t mean it’s true Mr nazi Show me proof and I will believe you, if you don’t I’ll just assume that’s false because why not
2019-05-16 09:53
see now youre getting somewhere, capable of logical thought after all. yes indeed, they all cheat.
2019-05-16 10:03
#338
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France SpooceCooke 
ok herringmeister here's the thing: no proof --> no party Are you perhaps mad that you are bad at the game?
2019-05-16 11:54
no im okay with being bad at this game im also okay with calling cheats when i see them and i see plenty of people still tracking heads through walls in 2019
2019-05-16 11:57
#372
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France SpooceCooke 
Well I don’t And I’ve watched a great deal of cs lately Idk where you get this from. In the end you might be right but there’s no concrete evidence for all pros cheating
2019-05-16 18:24
depends on what you call concrete but flusha tracking heads through walls and not getting banned is all you need imo. if you want solid evidence you can wait for a million years because no one who is currently making money on this game has any reason to make anything public. guys who get caught and say everyone is doing it arent believed. like several of your countrys most infamous cheaters. fxy0, kqly. you have to do a lot of work to ignore all the evidence imo, its easier for me to believe they are cheating than that there are so many strange things going on and its legit. for example why does no tournament say anything about improving anti cheat measures even though there has for years now been a lot of LAN cheating accusations in this game? other games dont have this. in dota, or starcraft, or other shooters, people dont talk about LAN cheating. they do in cs. but tournament orgs and valve dont give a fuck. why dont they do anything? i think they know whats going on.
2019-05-16 19:07
expected from NaVI fan
2019-05-15 05:46
#206
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United Kingdom jose01 
kqly didnt cheat in pro matches men, only in MM
2019-05-15 12:01
#213
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Moldova gay_retard 
and you have to trust him by words
2019-05-15 12:32
#217
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France LanaRhoades 
LMAO , kqly didnt cheated in LAN nice try
2019-05-15 12:45
#89
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Brazil dev2ce 
lmao apex and kqly 2014 > flamie nt mate
2019-05-14 21:42
Expected from flag
2019-05-15 05:40
+1 look at other players that can be considered goat, s1mole, olof,,f0rest even niko they g0d with all weapons
2019-05-14 20:55
olof's #1 year he only had 1.14 rating and he was abusing broken tec 9 more than kenny was abusing awp. olof isn't even a top 10 csgo player of all time
2019-05-14 21:35
#101
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
> best player in 2015 > Bad player choose one
2019-05-14 21:58
#118
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United States Jammin800k 
He doesnt have to because he never said olof was a bad player. Try again
2019-05-14 22:38
#119
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Yes he did. And I don't remember asking you a damn thing.
2019-05-14 22:49
#131
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United States Jammin800k 
No he didnt
2019-05-15 00:24
#187
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Yes, and did i ask you?
2019-05-15 09:00
#189
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United States Jammin800k 
Imagine being so egotistical that you think people need your permission to post on the internet ps: No he didn't, quote it.
2019-05-15 10:03
#277
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
He did
2019-05-15 16:37
#306
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United States Jammin800k 
Nope
2019-05-16 02:42
#317
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Yes, you have some kind of mental disorder i see. Well guess im gonna be the grown up and walk away since you are just mentally sick. Bye bye
2019-05-16 07:23
#318
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm the child? I asked you to do an easy task. Quote where he called olof bad You couldnt even do that. Now you're projecting on to me because you couldn't accept the fact that you were wrong. Have fun with your massive ego.
2019-05-16 07:26
#323
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
I wasn’t wrong. He edited his comment in the beginning before you even got here. All you had to do was ask and I would’ve told you that he edited his comment. Instead you chose to look like an idiot because you came here hours after he edited it. Bye
2019-05-16 07:39
#324
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United States Jammin800k 
Nt gyazo.com/29887e7643e5738b4dcd0a3382025e.. It says when you edit like this gyazo.com/31c55c9d2f007ec7938f3bdc370a81.. see the little pencil? That means edited. Nice try, your ego is so huge you're lying to protect yourself.
2019-05-16 07:40
He said olof isnt a top 10 player indicicating hes shit.
2019-05-16 01:33
#305
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United States Jammin800k 
HLTV logic
2019-05-16 02:39
I mean.... You have no logic sooo
2019-05-16 05:34
#309
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United States Jammin800k 
Okay baiter
2019-05-16 05:34
0/8 baiter btw
2019-05-16 05:37
#312
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United States Jammin800k 
i know you are
2019-05-16 05:37
And you are worse btw <3
2019-05-16 05:37
#314
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United States Jammin800k 
try harder
2019-05-16 05:38
S1mple is the best player in the world
2019-05-16 05:38
Thank you for speaking truth, good job.
2019-05-16 07:33
8/8 bait am I right?
2019-05-16 07:47
And achieved 7th without it Whats your point?
2019-05-15 00:07
Somebody said it. Proud of you, son.
2019-05-15 00:30
#55
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Finland jUPPE! 
S1mple would be much better than him with pre nerf awp too.
2019-05-14 21:02
#202
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Serbia nzzm22 
No, are you saying that s1 was always on the level he achieved since 2018???? Thats retarded
2019-05-15 11:37
#331
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Ukraine vanya1301 
markeloff would still be a panisher, if it wasnt fucking CS GO in 2012
2019-05-16 10:02
#3
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Denmark oskarsports 
you mean that crying kid?
2019-05-13 22:25
#5
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Brazil I_Hate_North 
I mean the best awper in CS
2019-05-13 22:25
#6
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Denmark oskarsports 
yea, oskar is pretty good
2019-05-13 22:26
#7
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Brazil I_Hate_North 
Oskar isn't even the best awper on his team
2019-05-13 22:33
#8
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Denmark oskarsports 
just like Kenny isn't the best AWPer on his team?
2019-05-13 22:33
#9
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Brazil I_Hate_North 
Yes
2019-05-14 00:40
So whos better? Fucking AmeNEK or Shox?
2019-05-15 00:05
#127
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Denmark oskarsports 
everyone one this lineup is bad lmao but shox is better, yes
2019-05-15 00:06
0/8 Bait. btw.
2019-05-15 00:07
#13
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Denmark Jackson2185 
+1 OskarGOAT
2019-05-14 01:11
+1
2019-05-14 12:41
#234
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Oskar is not even top 5 awp in the game Maybe top 10, MAYBE
2019-05-15 13:22
Which 9 players are better?
2019-05-15 16:28
#10
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United States xmaslights 
ok
2019-05-14 00:45
True , I don't like jw but if not that awp nerf they'll be raping asf...speed demon
2019-05-14 01:05
#12
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Poland xkhao 
Me in mm>dev1ce awp
2019-05-14 01:11
nt OKOLICIOUZ
2019-05-14 20:48
nt fake mattcsgo
2019-05-14 21:38
Matcsgo>Mat(t)CSGO
2019-05-15 05:51
nt Philippines
2019-05-15 16:09
As if your country has any impact on your argument, stop using dumb logic
2019-05-16 07:35
Lmao Australis country
2019-05-16 12:01
Do you do anything besides baiting?
2019-05-16 14:06
#232
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Europe thaifinnen 
+1
2019-05-15 13:21
#14
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United States Jammin800k 
No s1mple is literally the best player weve ever seen with every weapon. His game sense is unparalleled, his flicks are just as great as KennyS' were, he makes more highlight plays and round winning plays, he clutches more, he gets more entries, hes far more consistent. And hes even better with rifles and pistols than he is with the AWP which means hes more effective in rounds where it's not possible to have the AWP (which every AWPer has to deal with).
2019-05-14 01:17
0/8
2019-05-14 12:41
#29
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United States Jammin800k 
If you dont have a real argument dont bother responding
2019-05-14 20:46
#238
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United States Samsquanch_ 
Agreed. Best player in the world 100% He needs a new team tho
2019-05-15 13:25
#239
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United States Jammin800k 
Just needs 1 or 2 replacements on his current team and theyll be insane
2019-05-15 13:26
0/8
2019-05-14 12:42
#26
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United States Jammin800k 
What part was untrue?
2019-05-14 20:45
Not saying it isn't true but you are riding s1mple's dick
2019-05-14 20:46
#30
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United States Jammin800k 
No... I'm not. Hes just literally the best CS player to this date just facts. It's a thread about comparing 2 AWPers, if everything I said was true how can I be riding his dick?
2019-05-14 20:47
ok
2019-05-14 20:46
#33
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United States Jammin800k 
Oh so you 0/8 me and have no arguments to suggest why I'm baiting? You're exactly what's wrong with the CSGO and specifically HLTV community. Youd rather circle jerk over old legends then actually accept that the game has reached an entirely new level.
2019-05-14 20:49
what do you want me to say, you just exaggerated on s1mple's description, no need to be mad
2019-05-14 20:50
#39
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United States Jammin800k 
What part was exaggerated? Quote it.
2019-05-14 20:52
"No s1mple is literally the best player weve ever seen with every weapon. His game sense is unparalleled"
2019-05-14 20:53
#46
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United States Jammin800k 
So who is betterand with what weapon than s1mple Who has better game sense than s1mple? I think the only argument that could be made is Niko with the AK because his xhair placement is so good but s1mple ends up being more effective with the weapon in the server due to his game sense and reads being on another level.
2019-05-14 20:58
HUNDEN gamesense>S1mple gamesense tbh, he trained every single IGL in danish scene
2019-05-14 21:00
#60
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United States Jammin800k 
IGLs arent exactly high in game sense just because they're IGLs. They understand structure and how the game is supposed to be played on a fundamental but that doesnt necessarily mean they can read opponents positioning AND hit the shots off those reads. Part of game sense is knowing how to isolate fights, how to use utility to outplay 1v1s, how to cover/save teammates, how to get opening picks without much help, s1mple is much better at all of these things. Just compare the two in clutches and watch what angles they take. I'm pretty sure you're baiting but theres a common misconception out there that IGLs have the highest game sense and that simply isnt true. They have good ideas for strats and disrupting and tricking enemy teams and rotations but that doesnt translate into elite game sense. Where as players like s1mple and NAF always manage to position themselves properly, isolate fights, catch opponents off guard with good timings, and overall outplay their opponents even in disadvantageous situations.
2019-05-14 21:08
ok
2019-05-14 21:56
#117
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United States Jammin800k 
Alright
2019-05-14 22:36
#92
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Brazil dev2ce 
allu r8 > s1mple r8
2019-05-14 21:43
#116
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United States Jammin800k 
Nt
2019-05-14 22:36
#120
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Brazil dev2ce 
how many r8 kills allu has? how many r8 kills s1mple has?
2019-05-14 23:08
#134
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United States Jammin800k 
Nt
2019-05-15 00:30
I mean you are comparing KennyS in the most competitive Era to S1mple whos in the least competitive.... KennyS in his prime will fuck S1mple up so stfu stop being so fucked in the head... ATM yes S1mple is better, But KennyS in his prime > S1mple now.
2019-05-15 00:04
#132
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United States Jammin800k 
No the game has only gotten higher skill level. Meta has only gotten more advanced, stronger nades, better teamplay, better mid rounding, better executes. All things that make it much harder to play against. The competitiveness of the era is due to the closeness of skill between the teams not the overall quality which has only improved. It's much harder to AWP (or use any weapon) at the top level then it was in 2014 and in 2022 it will be much harder than it is now provided that the infrastructure continues to grow at the same rate. S1mple has statistical dominance over Kenny. He deals more damage, gets more kills with the AWP when he uses the AWP per round, clutches more, has had more world class tournaments consecutively, has gotten more MVPs in a single year (even at tournaments he didnt win). Hes just the best player to ever play CSGO and maybe CS.
2019-05-15 00:30
KennyS prime > S1mple now KennyS now < S1mple now Stfu stop sucking s1mples dick
2019-05-15 00:31
#137
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United States Jammin800k 
You're not backing up your argument with any reasoning, just attempting to attack my character and label me as a fanboy when I've laid out very valid arguments. You're a troll and are clearly biased.
2019-05-15 00:36
Im not a fucking troll. You haven't laid out TRUE arguements. And just sucking S1mples dick. Yes, I might be a fan of KennyS... But im not delusional like you. Yes if you said KennyS NOW < S1mple I would agree but no you're a delusional fuckboi that thinks s1mple is the best thats touched this game.
2019-05-15 04:49
#151
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United States Jammin800k 
You've literally laid out 0 arguments as to why kenny was better than s1mple is now. All you've said is that I'm delusional and I'm sucking s1mples dick, both of which are false statements, and now you're triggered for no reason. If s1mple isn't the best player to play CS:GO then who is?
2019-05-15 04:51
Get_right, Forest, Flusha... Olofmeister Btw Kenny has won a Major in the most competitive era... S1mple hasn't.... Says something. Yes S1mple got #1 and KennyS got 6th but kenny was in the most competitive and people even say KennyS is the best awper thats touched the game (Pros btw)
2019-05-15 04:56
#154
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah it says that Kenny had better teammates around him and had a team that was capable of winning a major. nV didnt have to deal with prime Astralis while Kenny was in his prime, look at whos performing better vs the best team to ever play CS:GO. hltv.org/stats/players/opponents/team/79.. And like i said before, the competitiveness does not have a correlation to the skill required. The overall skill level of the game has only increased since 2015. Thats why old legends are getting filtered out of the top of the scene, thats why players like flusha and olof and gtr and f0rest arent even making top 20 anymore. The new age of CS players are much more skilled, its only logical that the level increases as time goes on, just look at any real sport, new players and generations take over and take the game to a new level. Get_right, Forest, Flusha... Olofmeister None of these players have peaked nearly as high as s1mple. Especially for gtr and f0rest who were dominant in the weakest era when the scene had very limited infrastructure, a lot of the time the teams they were playing with had little to no funding, They were on better teams than s1mple but that does not make them better players, s1mple individually has had the highest peak of any player, you're valuing achievements when comparing players on an individual basis which is completely illogical, achievements indicate the success of a team, stats and individual accolades such as MVPs indicate individual success. S1mple is literally the most valuable player in the scene by far, any team would improve by having him. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. Very clear who the better player is, and s1mple is doing it for a second year now vs even stronger teams. -Astralis best CSGO roster of all time -Liquid best NA roster of all time S1mple set the record for -most kills in a year -highest k/d in a year -first to +1000 k/d in a year -2nd most clutches in a year -highest ADR in a year -most kills per round -1st player to lead in opening kills and clutches at big events
2019-05-15 05:10
I love how you say the 'weakest era' When the weakest era is litteraly right now... And S1mple has a good IGL and has a decent team around him. KennyS doesn't... And im pretty sure you are that retarded that im talking about 2014-15 not now you idiot. Stop trying to prove that 1. This is the most competitive era and 2. that S1mple is better than KennyS in his prime.
2019-05-15 05:29
#156
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United States Jammin800k 
You think 2013 was a stronger era than right now? When not even all the pros had came from Source and most of the teams werent funded? Or were only being bough plane tickets? You're delusional. Never said it was more competitive. Ill quote what i said The competitiveness of the era is due to the closeness of skill between the teams not the overall quality which has only improved. It's much harder to AWP (or use any weapon) at the top level then it was in 2014 and in 2022 it will be much harder than it is now provided that the infrastructure continues to grow at the same rate. 2014-15 was more competitve because there were more teams around the same skill level. Since then the skill level as increased and there is a bigger gap between teams in the top 10 but overall Astralis right now are a much better team than fnatic ever were, same with Liquid. Stop trying to prove that 1. This is the most competitive era and 2. that S1mple is better than KennyS in his prime. Why are you telling me what to do? Why dont you counter some of my points instead of acting like your opinion matters more than mine. Youre not helping your case at all by calling me retarded, all you're doing is showing that you dont know how to argue. Literally by no metric was Kenny better in 2014 than s1mple is right now, yet you continue to blindly say that he is with no arguments. That makes YOU the fanboy.
2019-05-15 05:34
I dont even read what you say btw... And yes 2014-15-maybe 16 was the most competitive where the 10th team in the ranking can win the major. But now its between top 1-3 Now professionals dont care about the game since they do have a salory.. So honestly, stfu stop wasting your time on false infomation of what you think.
2019-05-15 05:36
#158
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United States Jammin800k 
You're a delusional troll and you have no arguments. If you knew how to read you would know that what your typing is completely irrelevant to my argument. 2015 WAS more competitve 2015 had a LOWER overall skill level than today ^ both those statements are true and dont contradict each other But now its between top 1-3 Now professionals dont care about the game since they do have a salory. This is false and you have no proof of that. Teams make roster changes all the time so that they remain competitive, and its much harder to keep a spot at the top of the scene, thats why teams like VP and NiP aren't elite anymore. So honestly, stfu stop wasting your time on false infomation of what you think. Nothing I've said has been false. If it was you'd prove it using metrics and facts but all you're doing is pressing your biased narrative. You got wrecked in this debate, just take the L /closed
2019-05-15 05:40
I've already proved you wrong a BUNCH of times... But you're to delusional you might as well let him stick his dick into you. ALL your arguments are False and the only reason why people are more skilled is because its not competitive... OHHH and top 3 teams try Harding MUST BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE ERA. Fuck sake stop embarrassing your self.
2019-05-15 05:42
#162
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United States Jammin800k 
I've already proved you wrong a BUNCH of times... But you're to delusional you might as well let him stick his dick into you. No you havent all you've done is call me retarded and say KennyS #1 OHHH and top 3 teams try Harding MUST BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE ERA. Never said that. Quote where I said that please. Youre not even following the argument.
2019-05-15 05:43
First of all I love how you say I said KennyS is the best player in the world. Maybe THEN but not now it is s1mple NOW without a doubt. I only read the first sentence tbh with you... So you're litteraly wasting your time writing the rest of the useless argument. btw /closed /locked.
2019-05-15 05:51
#167
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United States Jammin800k 
You've made 0 relevant arguments. Take the L and sit down.
2019-05-15 05:51
Why should I take the L when I haven't LOST. You are the one that should Sit yo ass down and accept KennyS Prime > s1mple now.
2019-05-15 06:07
#171
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United States Jammin800k 
Accept it because you say so when you've provided 0 facts (because you have none) to support it? No thanks, ill remain in the logical world, you can continue being delusional.
2019-05-15 06:09
Logical world.... LMAO Here I think S1mple is overall a better player, BUT..... I think that Na'vi now besides S1mple is a lot better than Titan was besides Kenny. Flamie absolutely can be a good player, and electronic showed some incredible things in F3. So even though S1mple is a better player and is carrying Na'vi to higher levels than Kenny carried Titan, I think overall Kenny was a harder carry. Na'vi's other players sometimes go ham and win them games, whereas I feel like that didn't happen with titan. If Kenny didn't go monstrously huge, Titan lost. Heres the retarded version of what i have been saying since you are to delusional to agree
2019-05-15 06:10
#173
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United States Jammin800k 
Okay I think that Astralis right now is a lot better than Navi. Still S1mple performs much better than device. Thats just an excuse I think overall Kenny was a harder carry. That may be true compared to the relative skill of his teammates but overall S1mple is a stronger player and all of the stats and performances back it up. Even if Kenny had to carry harder to win S1mple still carries harder statistically. If Kenny didn't go monstrously huge, Titan lost. Same can be said for Navi especially since electronic isnt in his summer 2018 form anymore. Na'vi's other players sometimes go ham and win them games, whereas I feel like that didn't happen with titan. Apex was widely regarded as one of the best entry fraggers in the scene if not the best they had a strong duo and supportive elements just like Navi.
2019-05-15 06:12
Omfg see that just proves that you are a delusional fan boy of s1mple... S1mples team> KennyS team. If kenny Carrys the worst team doesnt that make him the better player.
2019-05-15 06:22
#176
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United States Jammin800k 
When he gets more kills, deals more damage, opens more rounds, wins more clutches, and has more overall impact yes it does
2019-05-15 06:24
Yes he does in the most INCONSISTENT era of all time.
2019-05-15 06:25
#178
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United States Jammin800k 
Doesnt matter the minimum skill level to be a pro is way higher now than it was in 2015. S1mple is playing this way vs way better teams and players
2019-05-15 06:26
You dont get that when its the most competitive era EVERYONE is trying not just 3-4 teams Everyplayer is trying to be the best every team wants to be the best... And no w I highly doubt any of that is happening.
2019-05-15 06:34
#180
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United States Jammin800k 
"You dont get that when its the most competitive era EVERYONE is trying not just 3-4 teams Everyplayer is trying to be the best every team wants to be the best... And no w I highly doubt any of that is " If you think teams arent trying to win besdies the top 4 you're delusional. Every team is trying to be the best, the gap between the top 3 and the rest is just bigger because those teams advanced faster. Teams since 2015 have only improved, more money has been invested into the scene, more people are trying to go pro, therefore theres more talent at the highest levels, the skill and teamplay and tactics of players and teams has only gotten better. Not to mention s1mple is doing these things with the nerfed AWP which makes it even more impressive.
2019-05-15 06:45
The nerfed awp is still good WDYM... Just honestly grow up stop being so delusional and quit whining when Obviously I have proved you wrong Multible times.
2019-05-15 07:15
#184
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United States Jammin800k 
You've proved me wrong 0 times and continue to have no arguments. Yes the AWP is still a good weapon, its still objectively weaker than it was when KennyS was in his prime and he abused that fact and now s1mple is doing even better than Kenny did statistically with the weaker version of the weapon. You're the one ignoring facts and being delusional.
2019-05-15 07:17
aussie destroyed
2019-05-15 06:18
8/8
2019-05-14 12:43
#36
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United States Jammin800k 
Not baiting, everything I said was true and the stats and trophies back it up
2019-05-14 20:50
trophies ???? kennys_1_major_s0mple_0_major
2019-05-14 20:52
who cares about Major, s1mple is in fact much better player.
2019-05-14 21:11
you may not care about major but s0mple does
2019-05-14 21:19
#136
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United States Jammin800k 
S1mple cares about a lot of things. S1mple may not have won more tournaments than Kenny but hes made up for those with MVP trophies and multiple top 5s. Were comparing players not teams, tournament wins are only a small indication of skill individually. There are many incredibly skilled players, more skilled than some of the Astralis players, that do not win as many tournaments. S1mple and Kenny were both by far the best players on their teams during their peaks, to say otherwise is moronic. They did as much as they possibly could to carry the team, s1mple just has done the most.
2019-05-15 00:34
but s1mple has more opportunity than kennys(2014) to showing skills. Because s1mple always has better teammates. Especially better in game leader like zeus
2019-05-15 01:23
#145
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United States Jammin800k 
Ex6tenz was heavily regarded as one of the best IGLs in the world back then. Also THAT DOESNT MATTER. All that matters is what you produce in the server, just because you're on a weaker team doesnt mean you cant have better performances. Device has "more opportunity" as hes on the era-defining team and has better teammates in every role than s1mple, does he have better performances? No. So why does the comparison shift for s1mple? Only to fit your narrative, not to be objective.
2019-05-15 01:41
lol kennyS always had to carry hard. Hahaha s1mple has 1.20 rated player in electronic. kennyS had post prime shox, an entry in form of apEX who never had a very good rating like over 1.10 Nbk was utter shit and so were his titan teammates who can't even get 15 kills while he kills 50 of them.
2019-05-15 10:12
#214
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United States Jammin800k 
So Device has better players around him than s1mple and still doesnt have a higher rating, its not about the team around you, great players shine no matter what. If s1mple is capable of maintaining a 1.35 rating on the 3rd-4th best team then Kenny could have done it WITH THE STRONGER AWP on a top 6 team. Thats literally just an excuse. You can always perform better.
2019-05-15 12:36
#22
Boom | 
France mbl4 
rofl no
2019-05-14 12:49
#27
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United States Jammin800k 
Which part is false?
2019-05-14 20:45
#106
Boom | 
France mbl4 
The only tiny bit of true I see in your statement is that s1mple is very good with other weapons than the AWP. Of course yeah, but you said better... I disagree. He just proved he is the best AWPer in the world, but still comparing his level to what kenny showed in Titan isn't right. Kenny was obviously much better. Even if it was another scene and another AWP, kennyS' level at that point will probably never be matched without a weapon buff
2019-05-14 22:09
#112
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United States Jammin800k 
How was Kenny "obviously much better" that's a very weak argument, shows clear bias. You havent provided any reasoning just stated what you think is "obvious" I'll lay out some actual arguments for you. Does Kenny get more kills per round when he has the weapon? No Does he clutch more? No Has he been as consistent as s1mple for as long as s1mple? No Has he ever placed top 5? No. Does he have as many MVPs? No Not to mention s1mple had to do all of this with the nerfed AWP. LOOK AT THE FACTS AND STOP BEING NOSTALGIC. The amount of records s1mple has set should be enough to tell you much more dominant s1mple has been than any player.
2019-05-14 22:30
I think kenny had more awp kills per round in 2014 than s1mple had in 2018. Although kenny was always awping. S1mple sometimes gives it to flamie or they play 5 rifles.
2019-05-15 00:41
#142
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United States Jammin800k 
He has more AWP kills per round because he used the AWP in more rounds. S1mple has more AWP kills per round he uses the AWP, which was how I worded it on purpose, and also gets way more kills overall with pistols and such which is very important for an AWPer. Not to mention hes better at clutching and overall had (and still is) a longer period of dominance with a higher level of consistency.
2019-05-15 00:45
Oh i see. I agree man.
2019-05-15 02:27
can we just stop arguing, ok so s1mple this was better at that and kennys that was better at this.... fr tho u kinda are like... riding on a boy called s1mple rn
2019-05-15 12:13
#65
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Pakistan NoNamerPK 
Niko ak and deagle >>>>> simple ak and deagle Otherwise I agree +1
2019-05-14 21:11
#68
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United States Jammin800k 
His crosshair placement is and he hits more clean shots but overall s1mple is more effective with the weapons. Gets more kills per round, higher ADR, wins more clutches, more effective overall. S1mples aim may not be as clean as a Niko or Twistzz or even a Shox, but he makes up for it by reading is opponents on another level and winning unthinkable situations. Thanks for actually taking the time to respond logically though, many people had trouble with that.
2019-05-14 21:15
#75
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Pakistan NoNamerPK 
From what I’ve seen from Niko I’d like to say that he still has room to grow in terms of effectiveness and reach the level that simple has, and I’m hoping he does since he’s now free of the igl role (same goes for twistzz(not the igl part lol) and I can only hope that shox somehow manages to get back to his former greatness) but I do agree with you on the fact that simple is more effective in game with every weapon as shown by his stats and the insane performances he puts up every match. No player is able to do what he does in the game and it’s fucking amazing.
2019-05-14 21:28
#143
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United States Jammin800k 
+1
2019-05-15 00:45
#243
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Europe thaifinnen 
The french scene is dead and as long as shox is igl he will never be one of the best again
2019-05-15 13:31
#289
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Pakistan NoNamerPK 
I don’t disagree with you but there’s always that off chance that things somehow work out. But alas we can only hope.
2019-05-15 19:10
S1mple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> niko in general. especially with AK.
2019-05-14 21:30
>signed up 2017
2019-05-14 21:36
#111
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United States Jammin800k 
Yet I have more comments than you. If you dont have any real arguments then dont bother, you're a waste of time.
2019-05-14 22:24
my real argument is that you weren't around during kennys prime >I have more comments than you >you don't have any real arguments I don't expect you to be able to understand the irony
2019-05-15 18:12
#294
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United States Jammin800k 
Your real argument is a guess on when I started watching CS? That's ad hominem and its WWWWEAAAAAAKKKKK
2019-05-16 00:41
#90
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
S1mple is a great player, but his movement is sloppy and his aim placement is questionable. But were talking about awp skills afterall. KennyS in his prime was a better awp. S1mple himself consideres KennyS to be still the best awper. Stfu all y'all rich spoiled ass busters. Never seen tha streetz
2019-05-14 21:42
#110
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United States Jammin800k 
Players can be biased just like people on HLTV can. Statistically and performance wise S1mple is superior. Hes peaked higher, hes has more consistent tournaments in a row, he set TONS of records, hes just the most dominant player weve ever seen. And you need to consider the fact that s1mple doesnt even have to AWP every round to be as effective as Kenny. The entire point of the AWP is that it costs more and therefore is a stronger weapon, if s1mple is capable of being just as effective with a deagle/automatic rifle then it makes him the better player overall, not to mention he gets more kills than Kenny (or any player has) in rounds where he does use the AWP.
2019-05-14 22:32
#191
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France pyZ_ 
"his flicks are just as great as KennyS' were" LOL
2019-05-15 10:08
#199
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United States Jammin800k 
Uhm... yeah? Nothing Kenny has done that s1mple hasn't and vice versa, they're literally the 2 best players ever to touch the weapon but statistically s1mple is superior and Kenny was using the stronger version of the weapon during his prime. You dont have any arguments you just find that funny because your view of the topic is illogical and you're biased.
2019-05-15 11:28
0/8
2019-05-15 11:20
#200
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United States Jammin800k 
You're useless to this website, either make an argument or dont waste my time. I'm not baiting, you're just afraid to argue cause you know youll get clapped.
2019-05-15 11:29
Wtf are you on about? I abandoned our AUG discussion because you were too daft to understand that aiming is easier on a bigger target, you shouldn't talk
2019-05-15 12:59
#221
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United States Jammin800k 
I destroyed you in that argument and I'd destroy you in this one too. You abandoned it because I had countered all your arguments and you started going in circles. Im not "on about" anything, everything I've said in this thread is factual. Don't 0/8 me just because you're scared to lay out arguments, just makes you look like a pathetic baiter, which isn't far from the truth to be fair.
2019-05-15 13:06
Axaxaxaxaxaxa, find the thread for me and we continue it there, I didn't realize you were this dumb
2019-05-15 13:03
#223
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm not gonna waste my time re-hatching an argument I've already won. You're too scared to even start this debate about S1mple vs KennyS, why would I bother going back to an old one? You're not worth the time.
2019-05-15 13:05
The only one who possibly could think you won that argument is yourself. You seem to have some kind of superiority complex. Regarding s1mple vs kennyS you seem to be a newfag as no one who saw kennyS could think anyone is better with the awp. S1mple doesn't pass the eyetest compared to prime kenny. I'll try to see if I can find the thread
2019-05-15 13:08
#225
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United States Jammin800k 
The only one who possibly could think you won that argument is yourself. You seem to have some kind of superiority complex. I don't, trolls like you are just pathetic and need to be put in their place. Regarding s1mple vs kennyS you seem to be a newfag as no one who saw kennyS could think anyone is better with the awp. Are you not witnessing the records s1mple is setting with the NERFED AWP? Do you not see that he also has better pistol skills? Do you not see that he wins more clutches? Do you not see that hes had WAY more dominant performances vs better teams than KennyS was facing in 2014? It's not me who hasn't witnessed KennyS in his prime its you thats being WAYYYY too nostalgic. Just compare the metrics and its clear who the better player is.
2019-05-15 13:11
I'm not trolling man, you think you are super logical and rational and that everyone else are baiting when it's you who haven't realized yet that CS is far more than only stats. I'm not saying kennyS is a better player, ofc s1mple is better with pistols and rifles, this was about AWPing. And you seem to have some kind of complex as you are constantly insulting and trying to act alpha and it doesn't really look good.
2019-05-15 13:14
#227
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United States Jammin800k 
Obviously its far more than stats. S1mple is way more effective in the server. You cant deny clutches, clutches win a round for your team, they have clear impact, same with opening kills, theres a clear correlation to opening kills and winning the round a majority of the time. But when you go past stats, you get into biased arguments. Both players look good to the eye test (theyre the 2 best AWPers to ever play) obviously if you watch either highlights you're going to build a bias and favor one player. Stats are the only unbiased metric we can compare players by. I''m acting alpha and insulting? What insults have i used? You've called me a newfag and told me "i shouldn't talk" if anything you're the one acting alpha and superior and then projecting that on to me, which is exactly what trolls do (not going to call you one, but you're acting like it).
2019-05-15 13:20
Of course clutching, opening kills etc all are crucial and as I said s1mple is the overall better player. But he's not the more skilled AWPer. Yes if you go by highlights that might be the case but not when you watched most matches back in the day. You are still missing my point, stats are the only neutral metric to measure players by but even stats falter, making it very hard to objectively compare players.
2019-05-15 13:20
#235
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United States Jammin800k 
"But hes not the more skilled AWPer" Well... why isn't he? If hes more effective, wins more rounds for his team (through either opening picks or clutches) deals more damage overall, survives with the weapon more often, and is having better overall and more consistent performances at a higher peak, how is he not the better player? Just because KennyS used the AWP in more rounds does not make him the better AWPer. When S1mple has the AWP he gets more kills and wins more rounds. " making it very hard to objectively compare players." You're not attempting to be objective at all though. You've laid out 0 reasons that make Kenny better than S1mple, just excuses as to why s1mple has had more success but when compared to other players the logic doesnt hold up.
2019-05-15 13:23
Is there a way to see stats per weapon? As I said, he is overall better, has good gamesense etc but as a standalone awper kennyS is more skilled and better in that sense. It might be a case of different distinctions as s1mple absolutely is a better player. That being said, s1mple is being set up extremely much, with Edward and Zeus constantly baiting for him which inflates his stats. kennyS is a better AWPer mostly based on the eyetest but s1mple is a better and more effective player.
2019-05-15 13:28
#245
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United States Jammin800k 
Kenny has ex6tenz maniac and apex all getting info for him, both players were the centerpieces of the team so that point doesnt help either player. What is a "standalone AWPer" now you're just making up terms to fit your narrative. If s1mple is more effective with the weapon hes the better AWPer, stop making it harder than it is.
2019-05-15 14:08
His effectiveness is due partly to his other traits which aren't pure skill with the AWP, but I clearly see that we entered this discussion with different definitions.
2019-05-15 14:52
#259
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United States Jammin800k 
I guess we did. I don't see how you can think s1mple is a worse AWPer when hes literally more effective in every way statistically. Thats just choosing to go against facts, its literally like me saying Device is a better player than Niko, if that was my stance how would you argue that?
2019-05-15 16:05
Are you arguing for or against dev1ce?
2019-05-15 16:20
#276
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United States Jammin800k 
If I was arguing for device how would you disagree with me?
2019-05-15 16:37
Look at him play and say he's better than NiKo. dev1ce isn't a playmaker in the same way NiKo is. He plays very safe and effective but he is not the player to without a team open up a round. He's an excellent piece in the right team but he's not the undeniable superstar like NiKo who can do everything. dev1ce's stats are really boosted by his playstyle, only taking safe engagements while in reality he's not having more impact than NiKo.
2019-05-16 13:18
#348
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United States Jammin800k 
S1mple and Kenny are both huge playmakers s1mple does it more effectively as seen by his clutch stats S1mple and kenny open up rounds and equivalent amount s1mple has more impact than Kenny
2019-05-16 13:20
What did this have to do with the dev1ce discussion?
2019-05-16 13:21
#351
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United States Jammin800k 
I wanted to see how you compare players then use those metrics to compare these players. If you compare them on the same basis S1mple is better than Kenny yet you continue to claim Kenny is the better AWPer.
2019-05-16 13:22
I feel like we are going in a loop. We have different distinctions of what counts as skills with the awp and what counts as overall player skills.
2019-05-16 13:24
#355
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United States Jammin800k 
No you're separating the two to give a way to favor Kenny and that way is purely biased opinion separate from the facts. Player skills directly affect skills with the AWP you cant separate them
2019-05-16 13:25
Okay, or it's just a different way to measure? What says your way is the correct way? We'll have to agree to disagree here, as I've said several times we are just going around and around.
2019-05-16 13:27
#360
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United States Jammin800k 
Its not a different way to measure its seperating 1 thing into 2 things and saying that in your opinion x player is better than y player at 1 thing even though it doesnt translate into his performance as well. All that matters is what you produce in the server, thats the only way to become a legend, if im consistently producing better numbers than you and carrying my team harder then im playing better counter strike its not that hard to understand. My skills in the game (movement, positioning, game sense, clutching) all directly affect how i use the weapon and what shots I hit so you cannot separate the two. And even if you do then its just a standstill where the stats still favor my end. Im not going to agree to disagree when you're blatantly wrong. The only thing that favors KennyS is your bias, by no metric is he superior to s1mple. Your entire argument is hypothetical while mine is based in facts, stop being biased and look at the facts with me.
2019-05-16 13:37
''You're useless'' ''You're not worth the time'' ''trolls like you are just pathetic''
2019-05-15 13:21
#236
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United States Jammin800k 
Trolls are useless all they do is get in the way of proper discussion and so far all you've done is say KennyS is better with no valid reasoning behind it which either makes you a troll or a fanboy.
2019-05-15 13:23
I have laid out some arguments but you are overly dependent on stats. As I said stats have their limitations which makes it very hard to properly settle discussions between players, especially when the players are from different eras and kennyS played in a harder era.
2019-05-15 13:30
#244
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United States Jammin800k 
#154
2019-05-15 14:06
And the scene isn't stronger now. I didn't even bother reading through the whole thing as I saw too many things that's wrong, that you think that the new gen of players are more skilled etc. Players like GTR, f0rest etc are just getting old, having already dominated for 10 years and are past their prime. That doesn't mean they never were as skilled as or even more skilled than the current top 10 players.
2019-05-15 14:55
#253
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United States Jammin800k 
Uhm... yes it does otherwise gtr and f0rest would still be top players. You're actively contradicting yourself and you dont even realize it. The tactics have only gotten better, more money in the scenes and therefore more talent and more scrutiny on that talent. Look at any sport, new generations always raise the game to a new level, why would it be different in counterstrike? Only to fit your narrative.
2019-05-15 16:08
No ofc they wouldn’t, they are too old, getting worse reactions matters a lot in CS. GTR is ill too. f0rest is still doing pretty good but that’s only because he was so insane before. I agree that the overall level of CS is higher now, but that doesn’t mean that the individual skill is better. The most improved factor is teamplay and tactics. With your logic everything is constantly improving but the fact is that CSGO has an individual roof of skill and that roof was reached years ago.
2019-05-15 16:25
#273
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United States Jammin800k 
Theres literally no studies that say your reaction time goes down at 30, find me one and you can be right on that one. What actually happens is that older players lose motivation and are comfortable being decent but not elite because theyve already done everything. If the overall level is higher then that means that it is harder to AWP nowadays either way. Better teamplay and tactics means more double peeks, more times you're flashed or smoked off the angle, more times you get harder duels, which means it's much harder to AWP in 2019 than 2014, especially considering the nerf. I agree the structure and teamplay of teams is really what has propelled the scene but new world class talents are joining the top tier every month. Twistzz, zywoo, s1mple, Sergei, brollan, REZ, all incredibly talented aimers and they are taking over the scene as a new generation. If CSGO had an individual roof then where the hell did s1mple come from? He showed us heights last year that no player has reached and seems to only be getting more consistent.
2019-05-15 16:32
pbs.org/newshour/science/brains-reaction.. I’ll reply more when I’m not on mobi le, tight now it’s unreadable
2019-05-15 16:39
#283
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United States Jammin800k 
Literally says theres no discernable difference in performance and that the older players often outperformed the younger ones due to strategy. Did you just click the first link on Google and hope it worked?? #281
2019-05-15 16:50
''Thus, it appears that there is age-related slowing of looking-doing responses'' It says that reaction times do decline with age but very slowly and that the older players tries to compensate with strategical outplays. As our oldest players are still relatively young, (30-32) the difference is still likely not that huge.
2019-05-16 13:15
#345
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United States Jammin800k 
#281
2019-05-16 13:16
I didn't really understand the point you wanted to make
2019-05-16 13:20
#349
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United States Jammin800k 
Point is game sense and positioning directly affect how good you are with the AWP (any weapon really) and therefore must be considered as factors when determining the better AWPer.
2019-05-16 13:21
I absolutely get the point, and I agree that they affect your effectiveness, it's just that I considered that as player traits more than traits with the gun. But as I've said a couple of times, s1mple is the overall better player
2019-05-16 13:23
#353
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United States Jammin800k 
If s1mple is overall the better player and theyre both primary AWPers than s1mple is also overall the better AWPer. Its just nostalgic bias forcing you to favor Kenny when in reality hes not better in any metric.
2019-05-16 13:24
s1mple uses more than just the AWP, and as I said, I'm just basing my arguments of the consistent crazy skill kennyS showed with the awp. Everything isn't measureable in stats.
2019-05-16 13:26
#359
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes but in rounds when he uses the AWP hes more effective than Kenny. I'm just basing my arguments of the consistent crazy skill kennyS showed with the awp. Yes but i could base my argument on the crazy consistency of S1mple which statistically is even higher than s1mple. You say everything isnt just stats but theres no other unbiased way to compare players from two different time periods. This conversation definitely has variables that are measurable in stats and s1mple is favored in all of them. Youre ignoring facts because they go against your narrative, if it was the other way around you would use the same arguments on me.
2019-05-16 13:29
#361, there you have a bit about skill peak. Have a good day
2019-05-16 13:35
#364
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United States Jammin800k 
That completely ignores the conversation and all of my arguments. Thank you for conceding and accepting that you were wrong :)
2019-05-16 13:36
If that makes you sleep well, then so be it. I just feel like we have gone through everything time and time again, and that we are disagreeing on things too fundamental to come any longer. Cya man
2019-05-16 13:37
#366
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United States Jammin800k 
Nah you just like arguing hypothetical instead of factual evidence when ever the facts dont support your side.
2019-05-16 13:38
''If CSGO had an individual roof then where the hell did s1mple come from? He showed us heights last year that no player has reached and seems to only be getting more consistent.'' Just want to quickly answer this before I check out. You are acting like form is something constant that you can never lose and that's always at the same level. Players like GTR, f0rest, shox etc have all had peaks grasping at the roof of skill in CSGO but of course that form can't last forever and eventually they fall off. s1mple have had a constant progression since his early CSGO days, always raising his form and during the last year hitting what very well may be his peak. He is still young and could maybe perform even better. But CSGO doesn't allow for a much higher level than what s1mple, kennyS, NiKo etc etc have reached. Skillwise they are all equal at their peak and it's more about who can do it more consistently and maintain it for longer. So what I'm trying to say is that players absolutely have reached s1mples heights before, or possibly even higher, but that his consistency is very remarkable. tldr; CSGO has a skillcap that has been reached or at least nearly reached, it's more about doing it day in and day out. I'm out from here now, cya
2019-05-16 13:34
#362
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United States Jammin800k 
Consistency is key bro and if s1mple is the most consistent player then hes the best player. /closed
2019-05-16 13:36
Dude, this dude is sucking S1mples dick just ignore him LMAO
2019-05-16 01:24
#356
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United States Jammin800k 
0 arguments from you still
2019-05-16 13:26
#246
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United States Jammin800k 
All you've said is -S1mple is not the more skilled AWPer -Regarding s1mple vs kennyS you seem to be a newfag as no one who saw kennyS could think anyone is better with the awp. -but as a standalone awper kennyS is more skilled and better in that sense. These arent arguments, just you restating that Kenny is better but not saying why
2019-05-15 14:12
As I've said, I can't prove anything as it's mostly down to the eyetest. A good example of why stats aren't everything is dev1ce. Has godly stats and wins alot but when you look at him play it's obvious that he's not as good as a standalone player as NiKo or s1mple. He's a great piece in a team that functions great which grants him stats, but he's not an player as overall skilled as s1mple or NiKo.
2019-05-15 14:54
#254
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United States Jammin800k 
Which is why his stats arent nearly as good. Stats do correlate to performance. They are not definite but they do give undeniable clues.
2019-05-15 16:01
#209
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Belarus fan_of_North 
New meme
2019-05-15 12:16
#210
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United States Jammin800k 
Eh if people wanna meme the truth thats fine.
2019-05-15 12:26
#18
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Croatia feelsbadmane 
Ofc kenny is better idk why people say S1mple is,s1mple isnt even an awper he is more sick with rifles
2019-05-14 12:42
#23
Boom | 
France mbl4 
s1mple is an AWPer. Facts
2019-05-14 12:49
#45
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Tunisia Yuri_Tarded 
He's just good enough to be best with both rifles and the awp
2019-05-14 20:53
#203
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Funnily enough he isnt the very best with any gun, prime shox and Niko are more skilled riflers while Kenny was a more skilled awper in csgo.
2019-05-15 11:41
#370
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Europe thaifinnen 
I would say prime shox and S1mple is pretty equal on ak and Nike close behind
2019-05-16 14:58
S1mple took top1 of HLTV while he was main AWPer.
2019-05-14 21:30
#204
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
So? Does that mean that he is a more skilled awper, does s1mple performing better than Kenny mean that he is a more skilled awper? No, and no.
2019-05-15 11:44
#211
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United States Jammin800k 
Then what does? Your biased opinion? I dont think so.
2019-05-15 12:28
#215
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
Exactly, you cant measure skill with any metric except your own eyes, as someone who witnessed both of the player's go at their best and as someone who isnt a fan of either. I can say that KennyS was the more skilled awper no doubt, while S1mple's performance with the awp gets boosted by his other overall qualities such as gamesense, positioning etc. Kenny is a prodigy with the awp, he almost has 2x less hours in csgo than s1mple. Even today put them in a 1v1 on aim map row and Kenny may still win. And im a hater of s1mple by no means, i consider him the best of all time in csgo ( best =/= greatest ). But his skill is getting overblown, people claiming he is more "skilled" ( emphasis on skilled, he does perform better maybe ) than Kenny with the awp or that s1mple has better raw aim than Niko, Scream or Shox? Bullshit. People underrate s1mple's hardwork and literal read and intuition of the game which is imo second only to flusha. People celebrate him as the most talented ever while you have people competing with him with 2x less hours put in such as Niko, f0rest or shox. I know only 5 geniuses of the game and they are shox, f0rest, potti, spawn and kennys
2019-05-15 12:42
#218
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United States Jammin800k 
I can say that KennyS was the more skilled awper no doubt, while S1mple's performance with the awp gets boosted by his other overall qualities such as gamesense, positioning etc. This literally contradicts itself. If you cant see that then I dont know what to say. You're actively saying that s1mple reads opponents better, positions better, and therefore is more effective with the weapon. But because you're biased and perfer KennyS AWPing in an unorthodox way you deem him the better AWPer, it literally makes no sense. If s1mple is positioning himself better to use the weapon THATS A QUALITY THAT MAKES HIM BETTER WITH THE WEAPON, if hes reading his opponents with gamesense THAT ALSO MAKES HIM MORE EFFECTIVE WITH THE WEAPON. I'm not claiming hes a better aimer I'm claiming hes more effective with the weapon and as a player when all qualities are considered. Kenny is a prodigy with the awp, he almost has 2x less hours in csgo than s1mple. Even today put them in a 1v1 on aim map row and Kenny may still win. That doesnt matter, all that matters is performance in the biggest events, thats what defines your career, not the hours you have or the 1v1 aim maps you've won. If s1mple is capable of working hard THATS AN ADVANTAGE he has over those other players, he should obviously utilize that advantage to be a better player. Stop making excuses for players and look at the facts without bias. If s1mple is the most effective player with the weapon then hes the best of that weapon, its not hard to understand.
2019-05-15 12:59
#241
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
I never said that s1mple is more effective with the awp overall. Just that his performance of it relies more on his overall qualites, he is smarter than Kenny and knows the game better, used this point as a way to show that Kenny is more skilled with the gun, not to make a case of s1mple being more effective with the gun. To elaborate, imo Kenny definitely was the more effective Awper ( emphasis on awper, not taking rifle and pistol rounds ) compared to his time. Though that the skill of the players kenny performed against isnt close to those that s1mple meets, and its a different awp so its hard to compare to current s1mple. Its like comparing Pele to Cr7, different era, different circumstances. And even if i did say that s1mple is the better performer with the awp it wouldnt mean he is more skilled with the gun, i dont take his brains and positioning into awp skill, awping skill is aim and flicks with the gun, the way you peek with it, your movement with it, the mechanical part of the game. and that doesnt contradict itself because my skilled =/= better performing ( or more effective how you called it ), statement on which this point of mine is based on, isnt contradictory.
2019-05-15 13:28
#281
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United States Jammin800k 
The flicks with the gun and way you peek with it are directly correlated to what information you have derived from the round. In a perfect world you never have to flick because you would peek exactly where they are. Just because Kenny makes less informed peeks and saves himself with impressive flicks more often doesnt make him a better AWPer. S1mples and Kenny's movement are literally as good as it can get theres very little way for them to improve realistically. They both have incredibly fast peeks and flicks when neccessary s1mple just does it more. Skill directly impacts performance, that's an undeniable fact. The better you perform the more kills you get and the more you survive, which means you win more rounds, the more rounds you win the more money you have which means you have stronger guns and cycle continues it's all connected.
2019-05-15 16:43
Glad to see that awp is nerfed I don’t wanna see cs pros quitting the game just because s1mple would have been twice as good as he is rn with the awp
2019-05-14 12:43
+1 He’s doing what KennyS was doing pre-nerf.
2019-05-14 12:50
#25
Twistzz | 
Portugal truzzt 
He was so different and out of the normal comparing to all other awpers back in his prime time, in a very good way
2019-05-14 12:55
#31
kennyS | 
Romania RBK_GOD 
+1
2019-05-14 20:46
yeah he had the highest peak with the awp no doubt just godlike
2019-05-14 20:52
#50
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Other khorkalba 
Highest peak is finishing #6 in the HLTV rankings, using a more powerful version of the AWP, while playing with a cheater, in a less competitive era of CS? S1mple's peak shits all over that.
2019-05-14 20:55
we are talking about awping only, hltv top20 isnt based only on that lol, and yes, kennyS peak with awp is the highest
2019-05-14 21:01
But s1mple is main AWPer... So ofcourse it matters.
2019-05-14 21:05
#62
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Other khorkalba 
S1mple has done things with the AWP that KennyS can only dream of... and this was with a weaker version of the AWP. If the AWP nerf was reversed tonight, S1mple would probably go the entire year without ever having less than 30 kills per map.
2019-05-14 21:08
lol what? nobody has ever done anything with the AWP kennyS can DREAM OF u probably didnt watch awp god in action back in the days in Titan why do u even talk about amount of kills? kennyS was just the master of the awp, nothing more to talk about
2019-05-14 21:13
#73
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Other khorkalba 
The fact that he hasn't done it since the AWP nerf proves that the weapon was doing most of the work for him. Now he sits at home watching S1mple and thinks to himself "I couldn't even do that when the AWP was hilariously OP".
2019-05-14 21:20
it only proves that it suited his playstyle a lot and he knew how to make the best out of it and again, s1mple hasnt overcome kennyS in terms of awping
2019-05-14 21:27
#80
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Other khorkalba 
youtube.com/watch?v=aUFTIdLGQsA&t=0m5s KennyS couldn't do things like this even if you reversed the AWP nerf and allowed him to play the game in 50% slow motion.
2019-05-14 21:35
man just search best of kennyS, kennyS flicks and blabla
2019-05-14 21:50
youtu.be/7oRn_80D0Z4 youtu.be/2Yz6iJdekb4 Even though I think s1mple is better awper than kenny in his prime there’s nothing that has been done by s1mple that kenny can’t dream of
2019-05-14 23:41
#193
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United States Jammin800k 
Yes he has #154
2019-05-15 10:29
So carrying his team to 3 Titles in 2017 First playoffs in Eleague Atlanta? 2018... He hasn't done shit? okay kid
2019-05-14 23:59
Huh? Top 6 2015 and top 7 2017.
2019-05-15 02:30
everyone had access to the excact same version of the awp, and yet nobody were anywhere close to kenny. and get right was #1 in 2014 with a whopping 1.13 rating. everyone with a brain knew that the best player of that year was kennys
2019-05-14 21:38
#91
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Other khorkalba 
> "Nobody was anywhere close to Kenny" > JW finished above him in HLTV rankings that year "But JW had a better team" So does Device. He's on the greatest CS:GO team of all time. S1mple meanwhile has to play alongside Zeus and Flamie.
2019-05-14 21:42
#48
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Other khorkalba 
S1mple has reached #1 with a weaker version of the AWP. KennyS reached #6 at his peak. S1mple doesn't rely on the AWP to be the best. If it was removed tomorrow, he would still be #1. KennyS probably wouldn't even be good enough to be on a top 20 team without it.
2019-05-14 20:54
#61
HUNDEN | 
India HarshK 
you do understand that HLTV rankings aren't determined by the weapon a player uses right? It takes into consideration tournaments win and stuff too which means the team you're in matters. Also kennys isn't that bad a rifler, he's actually quite good with rifles. We just don't see him using them much because of the simple fact that he's an AWPer
2019-05-14 21:07
#63
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United States Jammin800k 
He never said HLTV rankings were determined by weapon. Hes saying no matter what weapon s1mple uses hed be #1 where as if Kenny had to rifle he would never be elite
2019-05-14 21:10
lol seems like relevant argument when we talk about awping only
2019-05-14 21:15
#212
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United States Jammin800k 
Right because AWPers dont have to deal with pistol rounds and eco rounds like every other player? Not to mention s1mple gets more kills with the AWP in rounds he uses it and hes a hybrid player so obviously hes not going to have as many total kills as Kenny. He also clutches more and has literally set so many more records than KennyS, just read #154
2019-05-15 12:31
I dont argue that s1mple is better than kennyS overall, why do u tell me about records s1mple set, I just said that imo kennyS awping skills at his peak are the best
2019-05-15 15:40
#256
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United States Jammin800k 
By what metric are they the best? They're both primary AWPers and s1mple is ahead of him in pretty much everything.
2019-05-15 16:03
just watch their gameplay with awp in prime, ofc s1mple is great sniper and hits sick shots sometimes but it doesnt even seem like awping fits him, after watching kennyS in prime I was never really impressed by any s1mple awp play, I repeat thats just my opinion
2019-05-15 16:13
#320
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United States Jammin800k 
Yeah its purely your opinion. Not objective in anyway. In every metric besides your "eye test" s1mple is superior. Im not going to agree with you because you fail to be impressed by other AWPers AFTER the AWP nerf. The role got weaker as a whole of course the AWPer in his prime during the time the weapon was in its prime is going to be more impressive. Kenny is not nearly as consistent statistically and also is weaker in a multitude of other categories that indirectly affect AWPing such as game sense, positioning, pistoling, and clutching.
2019-05-16 07:32
#66
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Other khorkalba 
KennyS has won a lot more than s1mple has, including a major, yet he's never even been close to #1 in the world.
2019-05-14 21:12
+1
2019-05-14 21:35
+1
2019-05-15 05:52
he got nerfed 4 months into the year, had a huge slump cuse he lost motivation and his style of play was nerfed and still got 6. stfu
2019-05-15 16:05
#262
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United States Jammin800k 
Him losing motivation was his fault He agreed with the AWP Nerf Every player had to deal with the nerf S1mples peak is higher statistically in every metric
2019-05-15 16:11
ya every player had to deal with it but it was directly a nerf to his play style, he had to reinvent himself and how he played. and its 2 very different eras of cs and 2 very different versions of the awp, so i dont think they are even comparable
2019-05-15 16:12
#265
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United States Jammin800k 
It's always comparable, just have to use a little bit of critical thought, the concept of the game is still exactly the same, the goal of AWPers is still the same. The only difference is the weapon is weaker now and tactics and teamplay have improved across the board so its much harder to multi frag, always dealing with pop flashes, double peeks, detailed executes, and even stronger aimers, etc. Also pretty easy to see how much more often s1mple clutches due to hitting great AWP shots and how much better he is with pistols which is an advantage for any player but especially AWPers.
2019-05-15 16:16
i only think kenny is better in pure peak with awp, simple is the best player of all time you cant argue that.
2019-05-15 16:17
#267
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United States Jammin800k 
I'm not sure what that means "pure peak with AWP" statistically he isnt. S1mple does more in rounds where he uses the AWP. That's literally just nostalgic bias.
2019-05-15 16:19
stats arent everything my boi, and yes you can be 2 iq and say he didnt even get 1 that year.
2019-05-15 16:20
#270
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United States Jammin800k 
Stats arent everything no, but when you dont use stats you invite bias into your argument. Its purely your opinion that KennyS was better, my opinion can be back up with stats (which are a type of facts) and yours cannot. I could agree that Kenny was in contention for #1 that year and that #6 didnt accurately reflect is work that year but it doesnt matter. His peak with the weapon still wasnt as high as s1mples, no ones was with any weapon because no player has the game sense and reads that s1mple has that put him on that level which obviously improve your ability with the weapon. If your only argument is that my argument is not full proof then you have no argument.
2019-05-15 16:25
prime jw>prime kennys
2019-05-14 21:03
S1mple is much better AWPer than Kenny. But Kenny's time was when AWP was not nerfed.
2019-05-14 21:04
kennyS would still be the goat if he didn’t waste his talents on g2 with washed up shitters
2019-05-14 21:19
if AWP wouldn't be nerfed :>
2019-05-14 21:36
ever =/= 2014-2015
2019-05-14 21:19
+1
2019-05-14 21:41
#94
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
All y'all talk bout' hltv ranking. Bustas. Awps can't be top 1 if they aren't good wit rifles ya know. Y'all don't know shit about this game and probably started CS 2014 or after which is pretty late. Punk ass suckas have nah respect for OGs. Nobody of y here hasn't even sold rocks. I should roll al of ya
2019-05-14 21:49
yo kno wha'msayn yo gotta hustla in tha fucking streets nomean
2019-05-14 21:52
#102
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
Hell yea homie.
2019-05-14 22:00
#98
HUNDEN | 
India HarshK 
signed up 2018-11-13
2019-05-14 21:52
Do you know that you can create another account when your current account gets banned?
2019-05-15 16:30
#275
HUNDEN | 
India HarshK 
yup that's what I did too, I've been on HLTV since 2010 (1.6)
2019-05-15 16:34
kennys before awp nerf > all but awp was op af after new awp he is just average, very good awper but people still see him as before the nerf when counting him in the battle of top awpers of all time he is nothing special after the nerf, some good events, but inconsistent as fuck
2019-05-14 21:51
I mean, yes I agree but he still is a top 5 Awper Because he literally carry's his team with the big green
2019-05-14 23:54
yeah, he is the best on his team, but he cant be compared to awpers on the top teams, he still playing overpeek style, when goes right, he looks sick, when goes wrong, his team loses the round 100% he dont play smart awp style, I guess people overated him too much cuz of his name he is sick, but come on xd
2019-05-15 23:37
Yes I agree, atleast theres 1 non delusional person in the forum...
2019-05-16 01:20
#99
Brazil tuxf 
Have you guys watched 1.6 FalleN? He was lightning fast and also the best mechanical awper i've ever seen in terms of movimentation Imo, if the awp wasn't nerfed, FalleN would be better or in the same level of kennyS
2019-05-14 21:54
fallen with awp > abism > kennys after the nerf after the nerf awpers had to adapt and use the gun with the brain, without overpeeking everywhere, kennys adapted himself but was never sick after that only a couple of sick tournments, people count kennys as being a god, cuz they count his pre nerf time
2019-05-14 22:03
No one would match Fallen or KennyS (well, for him, we knew he already was unmatched) if the awp wasn't nerfed, GuardiaN would be a tier 2 awper But for me, FalleN is way more intelligent and has better movs than Kenny does... Do you remember how good FalleN's 1.6 train was? He looked like a ninja jumping on train's stairs, also the ability to "duck walk" and bunny hoping, well well, i miss it
2019-05-14 22:11
ye but 1.6 is another game bro guardian was sicker before the nerf too, but his style was easier to adapt to me pre nerf doesnt count, fallen is the perfect balance, he just knows when to peek or hide, and still has great movement kennys never adapted well but fuck, I miss 1.6 so much, running faster and the character felt like flying sometimes, fallen dominated that 100%, so entertaining to watch =( now we have vertigo and augs........... fuck valve
2019-05-14 22:13
Guardian was top 10 player pre nerf lol
2019-05-15 02:28
Agreed, Kennys peak with the AWP is probably the best ever in CS GO.
2019-05-14 22:05
#105
ScreaM | 
Finland kaapa2 
Brazilians always homeboys. One love.
2019-05-14 22:06
well then imagine for example s1mple, with the buffed awp like it was before i do agree his peak was awesome but we also don't know how things would be if awp was still the same
2019-05-14 22:29
but no one had not reached at kennys' level before the awp nerf like guardian, jw or other top awpers
2019-05-15 05:41
KennyS > Device right now
2019-05-14 23:47
Your admiration for KennyS' existence > Dev1ce's titanic career
2019-05-15 00:38
So Devices career didnt last long??? and Sorry for being a fan of someone. Atleast im not delusional and think achievements > Skillwise
2019-05-15 04:51
First off, where did I say D1's career was short? Second, trying to prove that a couple-year superstar player is the best sniper in the game's history is hard when their performances didn't continue for very long. I'll give you a hypothetical. Let's say Vitality start to qualify for most of the top events, and Zywoo (the well-known awper) carries the team deep with about a one-two year period of individual dominance. He lands a T5 player of the year from HLTV. After that period of time, he is still a good player on top French lineups, but he doesn't do what he used to do back when he'd carry Vitality. Nobody would say after that hypothetical Zywoo period that he is the best awp in the game's history, as his period of apex performance was short-lived. The point is, you can't look back to a time where someone was a top sniper for a short amount of time and then confidently claim he's the best awper in cs history, when you have faces like S1, GuardiaN, FalleN, D1, and others that had huge periods of absolute dominance that have either ended or are still continuing. I couldn't tell you who is the best awp in the game's history, but I can be certain it's not the French guy who was playing very well for not the longest amount of time. TLDR: Just read it. I kind of typed a fair amount to prove a point.
2019-05-15 19:22
'Dev1ce's titanic career' Titanic Didnt last that Long to be fair LMAO TLDR: No
2019-05-15 21:54
Lol why do you hate North
2019-05-15 00:37
I cant get why people talk about kenny guy is unlikeable and weak now
2019-05-15 05:01
#164
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Brazil RaffaMoreira 
People talk about him because he’s the best awper of all time. Simple as that. He’s not the best now, but he’s the best of all time. Just because he’s not at his peak, it doesn’t mean people should stop talking about him. Your comment has 0 iq behind it.
2019-05-15 05:46
#196
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United States Jammin800k 
Hes my favorite AWPer of all time but s1mple is more effective with the weapon objectively,
2019-05-15 11:16
Never even in top 5 best awper of all time xd
2019-05-15 16:53
#182
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Brazil BlueLighting 
'cuz of his peak, just like they talk about scream
2019-05-15 07:10
scream's peak was tier 3
2019-05-15 16:53
He's still the best individual AWPer tbh.
2019-05-15 07:24
#194
JW | 
United Kingdom Hamshanks 
Old JW beats all
2019-05-15 10:38
guardian better
2019-05-15 11:20
#201
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France mdK_ 
He could have been for a long if he wasn't dumb af
2019-05-15 11:33
device top 1 awper
2019-05-15 12:55
#237
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United States SweatyBawlz 
If the awp was as op now like when Kenny was at his peak then s1mple would be better. Also s1mple is still better
2019-05-15 13:24
#249
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Czech Republic KOKOT123456 
kennys goat of csgo
2019-05-15 14:55
I rly miss old Kennys
2019-05-15 16:02
imagine nerfing a player :(
2019-05-15 16:03
#375
shox | 
India iejesus 
lol
2019-05-16 18:29
kennys after awp update < anyone else after awp update
2019-05-15 16:38
#291
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Israel soprendo 
It's a girl gun
2019-05-15 19:24
#336
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Poland p4sheko 
+1
2019-05-16 11:36
This is the dumbest comparsion ever.. kennys was a god pre awp-nerf, s1mple is a god with the current awp. s1mple could've certaintly been better if he used the same awp as kennys did back in the day.
2019-05-16 01:52
#374
shox | 
India iejesus 
how? its not necessary that if you play good after that nerf so you would perform the same without the nerf.
2019-05-16 18:29
s1mple >>>>> kennyS
2019-05-16 11:55
Allu
2019-05-16 11:55
#343
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Spain elskio 
KennyS as main awp -> Major mvp device as main awp -> Major mvp S1mple as main awp -> 2x major choke s1mple cschoat
2019-05-16 12:02
#367
titz | 
Libya bzazel 
bzazel
2019-05-16 13:39
#371
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Europe thaifinnen 
Kennys peak was higher with the awp than S1mple but S1mple is the better player Kennys was instans with the awp and decent with ak and pistol while S1mple is insane with all guns. And Kennys had pre nerf Awp If S1mple had pre nerf Awp today his Awp peak would be higher.
2019-05-16 15:04
#373
shox | 
India iejesus 
Goat
2019-05-16 18:27
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