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United States BlackGuySpeaking 
opinions on josef martinez 2018 campaign? mlssoccer.com/players/josef-martinez almost a goal per game, had a goal/assist per game, known as a top penalty taker, also had a goal/assist per game in the playoffs. ik its MLS which is like a t2 league but thats still impressive, especially when considering, he had more goals then the golden boot of the EFL championship by a lot, when the MLS has less games. if he went to eu, do you think he'd play for a t1 champions league team? or t2 Europa league team? or t3 no cup team?
2019-05-16 18:49
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Netherlands Obiht 
youtube.com/watch?v=cTNjoIcAKxc This is the MSL. Lets be real its not even a T2 league.
2019-05-16 18:52
MLS t2, imo EFL champions t1.5, people dont give justice for MLS cause its na, but they have some good players there
2019-05-16 18:55
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Netherlands Obiht 
Yes they have some good players. But its not t2 for sure. The whole league setup is shit aswell. Would say NA is like China. Players only go there for money or to retire.
2019-05-16 18:57
i will agree the league is setup like other american sports leagues, which really doesn't make it more competitive, it does make it more easier for viewers tho since with the draft and everything almost every team has a chance to win if they "rebuild" properly.
2019-05-16 19:00
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Netherlands Obiht 
Would say NA is around T3/4. They have the potential to get big but will take time.
2019-05-16 19:06
+1, theres a few small things i like about the MLS, and when it comes to quality of the production i think its t1.5, except for the caster, who tbh, are pretty shit. i think if the MLS actually got good it could be really good, and the best league outside of Europe i think they also need to stick to the draft, or else the league will end up like a few eu leagues, with 1/2 teams winning all the time since they got the best players. With that being said, its really hard to have that, and have a good team from that league, the only league ive seen this be successful from is premier league. EDIT : then again the goal is to be like a eu league, so im stuck.
2019-05-16 19:37
MSL is not even considered football. thats soccer. completly diferent sport. /close
2019-05-16 19:32
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
you cant even relegate in mls.... xD what an absolute joke. if you lose the first three games and you are out of the title race, the rest of the games are just for fun i guess.
2019-05-16 20:09
i can tell you dont watch the MLS, or any american league for that, in the MLS there a draft for teams that do bad, so basically if your team is bad to begin with, they have a chance to get a good player so they can be good in the future, so the rest of the games aren't for fun
2019-05-16 20:12
#58
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
what the actual fuck. so you are gifted a player if your team is bad?
2019-05-16 20:15
yes, that way the MLS doesnt end up like the french league where theres like 2 good teams in the whole league, all the teams have a chance to win, its more for the viewers than the actual competition, but it makes it less repetitive
2019-05-16 20:16
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
sorry, but that is utterly retarded
2019-05-16 20:18
#71
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Yeah, considering soccer had the same team winning the same championship three times in a row. Guess it was too interesting to watch UCL last three years lol
2019-05-16 20:23
#73
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
it sure was
2019-05-16 20:24
#76
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Yeah, same team winning the same tournament. Sure it was lmao
2019-05-16 20:24
#83
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Competitive sport btw LUL
2019-05-16 20:31
#90
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
you are trying to provoke a reaction, but i honestly don't care that some teams are better than others. should be up to the losing teams to restrategize, seek investments, find better scouts etc.
2019-05-16 20:35
#93
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
So there is Ajax. They have a good team. And all their impactful players from this season... will be bought by Barcelona/RM/PSG/Bayern. Nice, competitive sport. That’s always happens. Where is Leicester now? Yep, sold out. Same will happen with other teams. Wealthy big clubs staying wealthy and stronger, small clubs weaker. Nice competitive sport.
2019-05-16 20:40
+11111111 ajax literally just a farm team for rich teams at this point
2019-05-16 20:41
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
yep that's how the game works. good players wants to join legendary clubs and build their legacy and win titles.
2019-05-16 20:42
yes thats how it works, but no one likes it like that
2019-05-16 20:42
#100
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
no one in usa perhaps the rest of the world have no problem with how it is now.
2019-05-16 20:45
example is all of hltv (mostly eu btw) crying cause astralis kept winning, its boring :(. youtube.com/watch?v=u7s_v1tqRsA is a example of people who think its a problem bleacherreport.com/articles/2679094-it-i.. this person says the league has a issue, now he doesnt mention the draft as a solution, but still shows there is a problem
2019-05-16 20:50
#118
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
what a bunch of bullshit ajax nearly went all the way to the final leicester won the 15/16 fucking tottenham hotspur are in the grand final this year and hes saying that dortmund will never win the champions league again. ehm ok. upsets happen all the time in football and thats the beauty of it. you can have all the money in the world but in football anything can happen if you have the passion. real madrid who has had a great three years are now not dominant anymore. you will never convince me that handing clubs cash (players, resources) for performing bad or being unable to relegate is the way to go. so better stop wasting your time trying to convince me. theres a culture difference here. in the us you like entertainment, goals, action, goals, commercials, boom, boom in your face. if a game ends 0-0 its a boring game in europe we love the sport, the history and the passion.
2019-05-16 21:43
#122
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Ajax nearly went. Nearly is a key word. They are getting sold out and they are not getting to Finals anytime soon. Although they could have if soccer didn’t allow big clubs to thrive for years. Leicester won. Again how many example of Leicester in 21st century in big soccer countries like Germany and France? Like, none, right? Upsets happen between big wealthy clubs. You will never see Malmo lose 0-3 at home to Barcelona and then winning 4-0 at Camp Nou to relegate them. It will never happen. If a game ends 0-0 it’s a boring game. Yeah, thanks, top3 popular scores in soccer with zero to none action happening.
2019-05-16 21:53
#128
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
what are you trying to say? upsets happen all the time across all leagues and competitions. leicester 15/16 wolfsburg 09/10 porto champions league 04 greece uefa euro 04 denmark uefa euros 92 those are examples of huge upsets off the top of my head, but the list is endless. if a new team won premier league every year it wouldn't be an upset anymore. culture difference is a key word. the fact that you can't enjoy a 0-0 game says a lot about the way we enjoy sports differently.
2019-05-16 22:40
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Bc of bunch of bandwagoners. I can literally tune in any American sports and start supporting a shit team and in a few years they will be champions because of their system which allows competitiveness. That’s what I like from sports. Not watching countless RM - AM/Barcelona finals
2019-05-16 21:34
#119
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
okay
2019-05-16 21:43
you know why everyone whined when astralis was winning? cause its boring, if everyone thought like you we wouldn't have a issue, but not everyone like repetition, most people want to see people come out of nowhere, or rise to the top slowly, or even quickly due to a few lucky picks. Its not the teams fault, if the best player from france gets a offer from psg, and from paris FC, he'll obvi go to psg cause they have more to offer, and paris FC is stuck with t3 prospects/players.
2019-05-16 20:40
#72
2019-05-16 20:24
Which is a fucking terrible system is what we're saying.
2019-05-16 20:18
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Which is good to prevent having Bundesliga or French one, or having the same team winning the same tournament three times in a row lmao.
2019-05-16 20:22
if you'd like to see 1 team win over and over again be my guest, it just helps the fanbase so there not stuck seeing history repeat itself, thats why its really popular in most other popular sports, just not football.
2019-05-16 20:23
literally never seen the draft system outside of the USA. Most countries don't have the problems you are talking about, except for a few. And those teams have been sponsored with a lot of money from rich people, something most football fans here are also against. You can be against both your draft system AND having companies/oil shekhs investing billions. :)
2019-05-16 20:32
if you've never heard of the draft outside na you only watch football, KHL, PSL, ISL, PBA, AFL, etc. obvi usa has a draft in most sports since they have the biggest leagues for most sports, but other countries use it. i dont follow oil so idk what ur talking about.
2019-05-16 20:37
You're correct, I mostly watch european football. Still have never heard about any other countries using draft systems and the leagues you commented are pretty irrelevant. But sure only US (and a few other countries outside EU where football isnt even the biggest sport)
2019-05-16 20:47
true, i will admit asian sports are only watched by asian for the most part, only true relevant leagues on this list is na ones and KHL,
2019-05-16 20:52
#125
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
“Except for a few” Lol. France, Germany, Italy and now Spain on their way. Draft system is the best system to make sure every team balanced out and sport is competitive. Salary caps as well help it. Soccer tho? Ajax is now forgotten since two of their most impactful players will be bought out. This would never happen in US and Ajax would be able to repeat their run next season as well. But keep trying. Enjoy watching a sport with zero competitiveness side to it. Hmmm, I guess who will win in Germany next season? Tough call. France? Oh, yet another difficult choice, idk even know who can win there every team is equal to one another. cOmPeTiTiVe SpOrT
2019-05-16 21:58
I don't watch French or German football why would I? But when it comes to Swedish football (or english, or even spanish) and CL it's never clear who the winner will be. I'm still against the state of modern football though, don't get me wrong, but the draft system without relegations is not the right way to go. I think something like the 51% rule we have in Sweden should be implemented everywhere, where the members of the club always have AT LEAST 51% voter right in the team and a private person/company can't buy own more than 49%. This makes sure nothing like redbull leipzig/salzburg has to happen again for example.
2019-05-16 22:54
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Other wtf_men 
Its ironic the americans are the only ones having a communist approach in sports, to balance the teams. "LeTs mAkE tHe BaD tEaMs GoOd aNd ThE gOoD tEaMs bAd" Land of the free btw.
2019-05-16 21:49
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Portugal road_to_f1rst 
football outside europe sucks
2019-05-16 18:53
flag asia and usa have some ok leagues, nothing t1, but MLS is t2 for sure
2019-05-16 18:58
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Germany Neckarstadion 
how do you define t2? The MSL would not get into the top 10 leagues in europe, thats for sure.
2019-05-16 19:12
no way top 10 1. premier league 2. la liga 3. bundesliga 4. series A 5. ligue 1 5. everdivise 6. primeira liga 7. super lig 8. brasileirao 9. primera division 10. RFPL 11. super leauge greece 12. MLS EDIT : thats world, i say top 10 Europe probably
2019-05-16 19:16
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Yeah that seems fair I think the MLS is comparable with the ukrainian league with Atlanta and Donetsk standing out. Also, you are greatly underestimating the russian Premjer-Liga. They have some really strong teams right now
2019-05-16 19:21
hm, i dont watch russian football to often, i dont like watching russian leagues, cause even tho i know its not rigged for moscow to win, i feel like moscow is going to win no matter the sport. also +1 idk what tier ukraine league is, but i'd say its around that tier
2019-05-16 19:24
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Germany Neckarstadion 
5-jahres-wertung.de/APD/Online/5JW.php this is the official coefficient of the leagues in the last 5 years, this decides how many UCL/EL spots each league gets. Btw, the russian league is dominated by Zenit St. Peterburg right now and Krasnodar is doing well too. It's not only moscow.
2019-05-16 19:28
cant understand a word from the site, but good to know, now i need to move past my fears of the rigged KHL
2019-05-16 19:39
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Germany Neckarstadion 
The site is not that hard to read, albeit intimidating at first. All what matters are the numbers. You can see how many points a country accrued in the last seasons and the total number of points in the last 5 seasons in bold. It's a good way to judge the strengths of the different leagues in the UEFA.
2019-05-16 19:57
#46
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Italy Gio_bose 
serie a better than bundesliga
2019-05-16 20:10
+1
2019-05-16 20:19
not true serie a is really bad league only juventus standing out and napoli a bit
2019-05-16 21:42
#127
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Italy Gio_bose 
same with bundesliga apart from bayern and dortmund
2019-05-16 22:03
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Italy Gio_bose 
i would also put efl championship somewhere from 7th to 10th
2019-05-16 20:12
i had them around 13th, but i could see them being better than MLS now that they have fulham
2019-05-16 20:19
#53
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT 
forgot the belgian league, should be just after dutch
2019-05-16 20:12
idk to much about that league, so i didn't know where to place it, ngl thought it was t2/3, thanks.
2019-05-16 20:22
Ligue Nos and the efl championship would probably rank higher than the mls
2019-05-16 20:12
liga nos is #6, just different name, and +1, i had efl at around 13 but i could see them being better than MLS
2019-05-16 20:21
Oh fair. The championship is arguably the most competitive team in the world. All the teams are fairly equally matched and the games are well attended.
2019-05-17 01:12
#35
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Portugal road_to_f1rst 
Asia is all about the money
2019-05-16 20:03
#9
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Norway PeteZz 
He plays well, and would do well in a T2 league, like the dutch league. And probably Bundesliga. Also, about time you yanks get some proper football stars soon. Pulisic looks solid, but still kinda unproven.
2019-05-16 18:53
+1, i have little hope in pulisic ngl
2019-05-16 18:56
never mls is worse than every european league
2019-05-16 18:54
#13
2019-05-16 18:57
lol Yeah totally
2019-05-16 19:16
He is like 26, a few years earlier and maybe some t2 teams would've taken him and he could've gone up the ranks.
2019-05-16 18:55
+1, he's getting up there, but he did just have his breakout year so maybe he's a late developer, in which case im sure some eu team wouldn't mind taking a chance on him if the price was right
2019-05-16 18:58
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France Alpha7a2 
a little bit old, but looks good enough for a tier 2 team in Europe
2019-05-16 19:58
+1, i think he might be a late developer, but he should last a few more years
2019-05-16 19:59
#36
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United States florida_man 
Not even good enough for the New York Jets
2019-05-16 20:04
wtf i thought it was the giants?
2019-05-16 20:07
#42
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United States florida_man 
Both are awful Jets: 3-13 Giants: 1-15
2019-05-16 20:09
didn't they trade odell? wtf was that for wasn't he like there top player
2019-05-16 20:12
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
And they picked Daniel Jones at #6 OA. Then they could have picked him in 3rd round. That’s how retarded Giants GM
2019-05-16 20:24
wtffffffffff this is where some gm's do retarded things, they need to realise the value of other players to gm's to know when to pick the player, smh.
2019-05-16 20:25
#78
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
This is what I’m saying. Nothing against Jones and hope he will be a good QB for Giants, but that was a huge reach. They could have picked some impactful player on D. And the funny part Eli will still be their starting QB. Literally get a good defensive player on D at #6 OA, then pick Jones so that he will sit out behind Eli and get some experience. It’s not that hard.
2019-05-16 20:28
+1111
2019-05-16 20:54
#123
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United States florida_man 
Jones might be starting week 1 according to OC Mike Shula
2019-05-16 21:55
#126
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Belgium YoGatesKevin 
Considering they wasted 6 OA on him he should be
2019-05-16 21:58
#48
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Romania wavyyy 
maybe he'd be decent for a mid table premier league team,idk.
2019-05-16 20:11
he should join macclesfield and bring them to premier league
2019-05-16 20:14
#59
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Romania wavyyy 
your reply reminded me this fifa 19 series lmao youtube.com/watch?v=20QwddpMPxo
2019-05-16 20:16
i love that guy haha, he's for sure my favorite fifa youtuber. That's how i found out about macclesfield
2019-05-16 20:18
t2 lol, not even close. i do hope football gets more popular in america. more competition the better
2019-05-16 20:12
#24 is a pretty accurate repesentation of how good the league is, everyone has there opinions on t2, what do you think is t2? also i hope it gets more popular, just not now, i want a easy path into the MLS
2019-05-16 20:15
england spain tier1 tier2 germany france italy tier 3 portugal netherlands russia and probably few more europe countries. also maybe i am a bit biased but i havent really watched much mls, but i guess it would fit in tier3 maybe tier4.
2019-05-17 18:30
in that case t4, no way MLS is on netherlands tier imo, maybe atlanta united, and MLS all stars maybe t2 since they did something vs juventus
2019-05-18 07:41
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Netherlands Cebix 
Year Club GP GS G MINS A SHTS SOG FC OFF Y R 2019 Atlanta United 11 11 5 972 2 40 14 5 6 0 0
2019-05-16 20:53
i agree
2019-05-16 20:55
He's probably got a future in Europe. It's not that often that MLS players cut it in the top divisions though Also, tier 2? Idk about that. Tier two imo is like Portuguese league, Championship, Eredivisie etc. Mls close, but idk. I Guess its improving quite much though
2019-05-16 20:59
+1, id like to see him go to a absolute shit team and just carry them like macclesfield or something, but i also want to see him do something so i hope whatever team he would join if he went to Europe could make it to europa league
2019-05-16 20:59
I could see him going to Spain or something. Would like that see that happen actually. I've heard people talk very warmly about him
2019-05-16 21:00
everything can happen so maybe he can play for a good english teams like newcastle or wolves but he actually played for Torino in Italy so idk maybe he can be a great player
2019-05-16 21:57
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