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Leftist Arguments
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
Hi, as a rightist id like to hear the BEST leftist arguments so i can engage with others ideas! Leftists, whats your BEST argument?
2019-05-17 15:59
#1
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Palestine FREE_PALESTINE 
WTF not expecting any arguments XAXAXAXA
2019-05-17 16:00
#2
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France swag0 
this is hltv you mong what are you expecting
2019-05-17 16:01
#4
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Palestine FREE_PALESTINE 
rightist in hltv = arguments leftist in hltv = no arguments cry is free 👉💧💧💧💧 Kind regards, Aviv Kochavi
2019-05-17 16:02
#5
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France swag0 
d.trump doesnt believe in climate change
2019-05-17 16:03
#6
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Palestine FREE_PALESTINE 
expected from golf cheater
2019-05-17 16:03
#39
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Denmark Twick_ 
Gulf cheater?
2019-05-17 17:02
Yes he cheats on Melania in the Gulf Coast. Stormy.
2019-05-18 21:29
#182
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Denmark Twick_ 
He is a great, misunderstood man
2019-05-18 21:30
Climate change isn’t severe retardo
2019-05-17 19:26
#144
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Finland jakem0n 
I can see your point of view but unfortunately you're wrong. The climate change is real thing at Arctic and it hurts all of the species living there but who the fuck cares... there are no humans so wtf, fuck it?
2019-05-17 21:59
Well, no. If you’re talking about arctic you’re probably referencing to global warming. Well, studies show that we are warming, but on the periodic scale of warm and cold temperatures. (Hence the ice age.) The arctic ice sheer is actually GAINING mass. nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass.. Which means that attic species don’t actually have to deal with habitat destruction
2019-05-18 02:05
#216
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Finland ToxicDUD 
fuck u men I wanted to use that statistic on him :(
2019-05-20 10:25
Lmao studies don't show we're warming on the periodic scale of warm and cold temperatures. It actually is much more severe than it has to be. Give me a source to disprove that (oh and please multiple ones). I'm sure you'll find 1 that proves your theory, but I'll find 20x times more articles to prove mine
2019-05-20 16:38
#284
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United Kingdom XNL 
All he has to do is look at this: climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-..
2019-05-20 19:16
#293
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Finland jakem0n 
I think you mixed up Antarctic and Arctic. Nice study tho, thanks for sharing.
2019-05-20 22:11
Oops lol thx for correcting
2019-05-24 15:59
#307
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Finland jakem0n 
Np :) Shit happens and I really didnt know that what this study showed up so more like thank to you bro.
2019-05-24 17:25
Climate change is good for Finland in every aspect actually
2019-05-18 15:35
#212
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United States skroobdoober 
except for the shiploads of refugees from everywhere else that is underwater
2019-05-20 10:17
30cm in 100years doesnt mean half of europe is underwater. Also in finland for example the land is rising, and its actually gaining land mass
2019-05-20 15:31
#294
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Finland jakem0n 
I was talking about Arctic, not about Finland but yeah, I agree that global warming/climate change is good for Finland in many different ways.
2019-05-20 22:14
Fun fact: The amount of ice and polar bears in Greenland are today at their peak.
2019-05-20 17:04
#292
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Finland jakem0n 
It's true but it doesn't mean it will be like this forever. There were an argument in the new Netflix series called Our Planet which said the polar bears eats the seal cubs because there are not enough snow and ice to hide away from polar bears and because of that there will be less seals in the future. This might happen and it will be a challenge for polar bears in the future.
2019-05-20 22:04
Well that is nature... When there are less seals somr polar bears will die from hunger. Also there are too many deer in scandinavia since we killed most of the wolves.
2019-05-22 00:18
He changed his mind about that
2019-05-17 19:34
#93
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
1: So if Donald Trump doesnt believe in it, every rightist doesnt? nais logic mens)))) 2: It exists, but it isnt nearly as dangerous as it is overexagerated
2019-05-17 19:48
#7
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France swag0 
cry is free 👉💧💧💧💧
2019-05-17 16:03
#9
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Palestine FREE_PALESTINE 
yes im giving away free cry take one now for free limited edition 👉💧💧💧💧
2019-05-17 16:04
#65
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Algeria Preccezed 
Palestine doesn't exist
2019-05-17 18:54
u think im not aware of that already? 😂😂😂😂😂
2019-05-17 19:19
#87
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Algeria Preccezed 
IDF for the win!!
2019-05-17 19:45
leftists args, the entire list of the interests in this thread
2019-05-20 16:24
-0_o-
2019-05-17 16:54
typing "nt libtard xddd" like a 12 y/o is not an argument fool.
2019-05-18 09:53
nt libtart
2019-05-18 10:50
#168
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Algeria Preccezed 
I told you to give an arguement for yourself. You didn't answer. How about you shut up then lol
2019-05-18 16:36
Probably didn't saw it. I'll reply Edit:I thought you were OP first,so I've replied sth different, my bad.
2019-05-18 16:55
Our current economic system is failing to prevent massive global collective issues such as climate change. If we continue on without changing, Capitalism will turn into a death cult. It's basic economics, under capitalism people are not encouraged to work collectively to solve problems, and those in power will specifically ignore issues such as climate change in favor of profit.
2019-05-17 16:02
#11
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
I agree that economics is probably the thing I feel most left-leaning about. However, I don't think that Capitalism can or should be disregarded completely, since it does bring a lot of profits as well to the wellbeing of almost everyone. While climate change is an important issue, I think that it's naive to only blame capitalism, or even think that abolishing it would be a good thing or lead to climate change being "solved".
2019-05-17 16:06
Most leftists, including me, don't think capitalism should be disregarded completely. But as 99% country of the world are capitalist, (even the biggest communist one, China, use capitalistic economical system) and so capitalism is to blame for global change, good or bad, and climate change is a bad one. For more detail, capitalism rely on permanent grow to work. Meaning permanent increase of consumption and production. Meaning permanent increase of pollution since we don't focus much on non polluting technology (if it exist btw) or at least low polluting ones (and so, according to capitalism, they are not profitable compared to classic and more polluting ones). But it could be a regulated capitalism in order to prevent any further change in climate. For exemple, a global tax depending on carbon emission. Or regulation preventing some polluting technology to exist, you name it there are plenty of proposals out there.
2019-05-17 19:44
#257
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Libya Neroz44 
I know in Illinois where I live, 50% of all our energy comes from nuclear power, which does not provide any pollution. I think maybe using more nuclear power and keeping capitalism is a good idea. Many people are scared of nuclear power because it has nuclear in its name. But it really is not all that dangerous.
2019-05-20 16:47
1. Nuclear powerplant create pollution, not carbon pollution but still, nuclear wastes are a pollution. 2. Nuclear energy create carbon pollution, not as much as coal powerplant ofc but still. Nuclear fuel is extracted with oil engine, its conveyance around the world use oil, to build the powerplant you use oil, etc.. 3. Nuclear energy comes with one particular issue : accident. They are rare but when it happens it pollute a continent large area. See Chernobyl on Europe or Fukushima on Pacific ocean effects. 4. As of today, we don't know how to dismantle properly outdated nuclear powerplant and since they are made to last 40 years, extended to a couple of more decades for most. It is still a problem we don't have any clue how to deal with so far. And since a lot of them are reaching the end of their life, it is an issue that will become mainstream in the next decade, you will see. 5. Nuclear fuel stocks are limited, and massively increase the use of nuclear powerplant is probably not achievable according to our current possible production of nuclear fuels and won't last forever as these ressources are pretty scarce. This being said, yes nuclear power can solve part of the carbon pollution of our atmosphere. You are right. But only a part of it, and not forever. Sadly, energy sector is responsible for only 25% of human carbon emissions. TL;DR : By using only nulear powerplant : - you wouldn't reduce energy industry carbon emission to 0. - you would lower human carbon emission to less than 25% - you would create other issues such as nuclear fuel supply, nuclear risk increase, nuclear waste stockage/dismantlement, etc..
2019-05-20 17:30
#273
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Libya Neroz44 
You want to get rid of pollution, but you don’t want to use the best way to get rid of it. Nuclear waste doesn’t matter, because we can store it. We would reduce carbon emission. I am too lazy to look up other stuff, but maybe I’ll reply later with more info
2019-05-20 17:30
I don't want or want anything. No idea where you got that from. Exposing arguments doesn't mean I support them or not. And yes storage of nuclear waste is a problem.
2019-05-20 17:33
#279
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Libya Neroz44 
Okay, then disregard what I said, my bad.
2019-05-20 18:45
#303
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Finland jakem0n 
Am I dreaming or do I really read something like this on HLTV?? +1 btw
2019-05-21 20:55
-0_o-
2019-05-17 16:55
#28
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United States Nohj_ 
O_O
2019-05-17 16:56
D:
2019-05-17 16:56
Propose a solution
2019-05-18 21:22
communism
2019-05-20 10:18
yes mens))) communism works according to USSR, China, Venezuela, etc etc
2019-05-20 16:12
stopped read at 'failing'
2019-05-20 16:25
We know, you're a right person so you ignore things you don't like. Grow up men))
2019-05-20 16:41
wtf go cheer for chris, he needs it
2019-05-20 16:43
I will :)) #keeppoliticsoutofcsgo
2019-05-20 16:44
cringe
2019-05-20 16:45
cRiNgE Edit: I'll play your game if you continue playing
2019-05-20 16:46
madtard choose from certain users. lul
2019-05-20 16:47
Can you stick to one subject or are you schizophrenic?
2019-05-20 16:48
😆l😎
2019-05-20 16:49
😎😎 we cool men
2019-05-20 16:49
not.
2019-05-20 16:50
men why you have to be mad
2019-05-20 16:51
#8
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
Every child should have a right to education and healthcare for free because we should strive for an educated and healthy population.
2019-05-17 16:03
#13
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Korea XigNGODtop1 
Leftist economics are closer to what I believe in, so I do agree with both your points.
2019-05-17 16:07
Go to North Korea then?
2019-05-17 16:10
#21
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
Do you disagree with my point?
2019-05-17 16:54
100% Disagree.
2019-05-17 16:58
#43
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Other xrist 
why
2019-05-17 17:04
Is probably not worth to discuss with first world spoiled brats , i've already done it and it always end up on the European being dismissive because im Latino or blaming the massive leftism dissaster on the world and specially in South America on Corruption. I do wish you the best of luck for when you go out into the real world , you're gonna have a very tough time.
2019-05-17 17:25
#64
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Other xrist 
yeah because wanting free healthcare and education means you are a full on commie or whatever, also arent most problems in south america rooted in corruption, not just socialism.
2019-05-17 18:52
HAHAHAHAHA you made a famous strawman from idiots with your ideology and then proceed to do exactly what i said you all always do. Is almost as if you lefties were industrially made hahahahah. again , good luck idiot , you'll need it.
2019-05-17 19:33
#82
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Other xrist 
is sweden or finland communist? i have free healthcare and free education and many other social safety nets
2019-05-17 19:42
I never said you or anyone who wants "free" (with a big pair of ") is a communist , i don't think like that , and no Sweden and Finland are not communist countries nor are they running a communist economic system. Your underage is showing.
2019-05-17 19:49
#96
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Other xrist 
but you 100% disagreed with comment #8 and when I asked why you basically called me a commie
2019-05-17 19:50
1) You're not the user from #8 unless that's one of your alt accounts. 2) I never "basically called you a commie" , if i thought you were a communist i'd tell you that , i just say what i mean , you felt that way because you're 17 , but mentally 12-13 .... or do you have some sympathy for communism??? 3) By now you've done everything ignorant delusional leftists have done , if i were a semi-serious leftist , i wouldn't like to have you on my team , if you truly believe in your retarded cause , i think the healthier thing would be to get off now.
2019-05-17 19:57
#110
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Other xrist 
1) what? 2) why did you bring up how disastrous socialism have been for south america then? what was your point with telling me that 3) what?
2019-05-17 20:01
1) Learn English. 2) I didn't bring up how bad socialism has been for South America , i brought up how absolutely terrible and anti-human socialistic tints on economies are for the entire world. 3) Learn English. I don't want to insult you , you're actually kinda adorable , but im afraid you might stick with this leftism nonsense for the rest of your life , now that would be really sad.
2019-05-17 20:08
#119
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Other xrist 
1) why do you think my comment #96 is not valid because I'm not the user who made comment #8? You should learn English, lol. 2) yes you did 3) no
2019-05-17 20:10
1) Because i wasn't talking to you. 2) No , not especifically S.A , i clearly stated it was worlwide. 3) Okay don't learn English , but i'd highly recommend you tolearn basic economics.
2019-05-17 20:21
#127
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Other xrist 
1) why does it matter? this is a public forum not a 1-to-1 chat room 2) ok
2019-05-17 20:24
give up bro, i've tried to change this guys mind and he always deflects and insults you, probably a troll 0/10 worth you time
2019-05-18 21:56
he is baiting dude are you blind
2019-05-20 16:29
#107
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Brazil BlueLighting 
healthcare and education is for """""free"""" in here too, still really bad thing for so many taxes we pay every single moment; Sweden is one of the most easy to make deals countries in the world, your country is far far far away from being a commie, but yeah, someday the money will end and u guys will be in a really bad situation, just like us. Most of the money in Sweden come from 1980-1990 if I'm not mistaken, when the country was really "capitalist"
2019-05-17 19:57
#109
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Other xrist 
dude you dont have to explain to me what taxes are, sweden is still capitalist lol
2019-05-17 19:59
Top3-top5 countries with the easiest regulations and tax burdain to open a business indeed. Sweden right now is doing their heaviest taxes on the middle class , this is not sustainable on the long term , on top of that they have a huge fiscal deficit which is being financed with debt , which has put a tiny tiny country like sweden that barely has 10 million citizens with over 1.3 trillions of external debt. See none of this stuff is long term sustainable at all , but the idiots like this little kid can't see past their nose , they can't understand that it will be their kids and grandkids who will be paying the biggest cut of the external debt when Sweden eventually defaults , they don't understand that their kids and grandkids' living standar will be severely hindered , i have no clue where do they think the whole wealth will come from. all it takes is a far-left enough politicians to start raising taxes on the rich right now for Sweden's economy to absolutely crumble.
2019-05-17 20:14
#124
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Brazil BlueLighting 
Do u really are form Angentina? If the answer is "Yes": What's went wrong with Macri? I thought that he was make everything go right in there, cut taxes, make the country more attractive to investors, etc.. Now every single leftist in here says that "right wing just make the country ruin", mentioning Argentina as an example...
2019-05-17 20:21
Sim manito eu so boludo kkk This will be a long comment but here it goes (sorry i cant make it shorter than this): Macri ran the campaign with stupid ads and lies to appeal to the center left voters (The Peronists , they think they're not leftist though) he never really gave any solid economic points during campaign and his family became rich in the private sector due to fascist protectionism from the PJ and huge government subsidies. Once he got to power he did 1 good thing wrong and 1 great thing right. 1) He lifted the CEPO , government controlled currency value , that created a black market of other currencies in Argentina , for example , the official dollar was 8.15 Pesos in 2014 , but it was illegal to buy official dollars in a bank unless you checked every single requirement by the government , so most people bought the Blue Dollar on the black market which was about x2 (200%) that (16~ pesos) , he lifted that so that there is just 1 dollar , there was like 4 kinds of dollar with the CEPO , he did it wrong but it was still a good move. 2) He lifted taxes on vacation goods , if i went to Brasil for vacations , bought a shirt for 100 reais and brought it home in my suitcase , government aduana would force me to pay about 40% of its value added to that , if it was something like cellphone or a gpu , it would be from 80 to 200% , Macri lifted that too , so i can go wherever i want , buy what i want and comeback home and its all good , that was greatly done. After those 2 meassures that he did within the first 60 days of his office , he started to do 100% leftist and center left policies , he kept the same money printing pace as the Kirchners , which is why Inflation never went below 30% under his term , he INCREASED the welfare checks , i think like 4 million people were in welfare when CFK left , and around 6 million people are in welfare now , he greenlighted a huge new tax on the Renta Financiera , its a new tax that affects the economy a lot , created by the Peronists in congress , accepted by him , about 20 different small new taxes were created from 2016 to now , he re-implemented retentions on the agro and mining sectors. AND NOW They started to put price controls on a lot of products , Macri started to govern with center-left politics after the first 2 months and moved much further on the left , is just that our alt-left is soooo deep in the left that they see him as a right wing (The Kirchnerists) , you can look all of this up , they're proud about all of this you will find all the Boletines about it. He's very much on the left and whoever tells you he's not has no clue what they're talking about , and sadly , that includes about 45% of the entire Argentinian population.
2019-05-17 20:36
#139
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Brazil BlueLighting 
Gotcha, thx for the explanation bro
2019-05-17 21:24
It's not really free healthcare or education in the end, you still pay it in your taxes. The problem with free healthcare is that it doesn't work on the scale of countries like the US. Once you ration something, the quality and quantity drops significantly, so you just end up with shit healthcare in this case.
2019-05-17 19:50
+1 just read that after i posted the same thing people withlow population figures it will just work with a pop 100x whats theirs is.
2019-05-18 21:37
you have a very small country does not work with high populations + 60% taxes pay for ur "free" stuff.
2019-05-18 21:36
#185
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Other xrist 
why doesn't it work on bigger countries? not everyone pay 60% tax.
2019-05-18 21:43
even ur lower taxes are much higher then other places ur middle class is paying double or triple of what i pay. Since i dont have to pay those taxes and have a decent job i have more money in my pocket and I have great health insurance.
2019-05-18 21:46
#187
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Other xrist 
but how does this relate to you saying it doesnt work in bigger countries
2019-05-18 21:49
because free healthcare is great on small pop when u start getting in the 200+ mill pop the quality of health care is going to be terrible look at some of the health care in the uk waiting months or years for simple operations and then getting a terrible underpaid surgeon that botches jobs and then you are waiting more months or years again. My healthcare is great if i need sugery i can be in the next 2 days with a great surgeon
2019-05-18 21:53
#207
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Sweden mrnotgay 
It's hardly great in Sweden; waiting times are insanely high, much much higher than in the US
2019-05-19 15:01
also im not paying a higher tax rate for the 50+ million bums that dont work or contribute to society
2019-05-18 21:54
#206
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Sweden mrnotgay 
you know the US spends more money on healthcare per capita then any other country, right?
2019-05-19 15:00
arg cs = sheet, not new
2019-05-20 16:26
So why do you call yourself right wing? Let me guess, because you think left wing is equal to SJW and extreme feminism?
2019-05-18 16:02
-0_o-
2019-05-17 16:55
#97
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Brazil BlueLighting 
Nothing is for free, NOTHING.... the money must come by somewhere or someone
2019-05-17 19:51
#105
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
Yes obviously through general taxation, ie, the people that have once been children (who therefore benefited from the free education and healthcare) pay for it. Its how basically every first world country works. People on the right need to get over it and move on. Even their most right leader in ages, Donald Trump, is fairly left wing.
2019-05-17 19:55
#111
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Brazil BlueLighting 
hm... we have healthcare and education for "free" in here... still bad asfuk.... I should waste my money with things that I want to do, I dont want a government to take my money and put it where they want just like happens now... we have one of the higher taxes in consume all over the world btw... our government was from left-wing since 1996... You guys(EU or others first world countries) get rich with real capitalism, and after that you guys try to make the government take care of everyone with this money... thats doesn't work for a big period of time, keynesianism is a big fail and you'll see.
2019-05-17 20:03
#126
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
nah we just understand that certain things are a necessary investment
2019-05-17 20:23
+1
2019-05-20 16:27
#128
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India otgps 
That's not a leftist opinion. That's just common sense and human nature.
2019-05-17 20:26
#137
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
Thats precisely why im left wing, just like you, to me it seems like common sense to believe in these principles, but as you can see above, many right thinking hltv users disagree
2019-05-17 21:12
#140
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India otgps 
I'm going to vote tomorrow for a candidate that actively harms my status of people but hey that's life. Its a more pro-poor candidate but it feels safe to know government does have a social net for you to fall on. It increases our utility bills slightly higher if we are heavier consumers and reduces bills for those who consume less. Rightists are like hurr durr equal price equal electricity but their needs can be planned way better and their infra cost is low too compared to rich turning all their ACs at one shock loading the grid. Also, you can get solar with subsidies for that. Same with water bill. Poor people be using small 5l buckets for cleaning while rich be flushing 45l every time they piss. Should be charged differently. These are not rightist problems. These are elitist problems in which actually poor people pay more for the capacity they consume compared to rich. Rich people in apartment require fucking 33kV and 11kV cooled transformers compared to induced naturally cooled 11kV transformers for poor apartment complex. Also, rich people complex requires high tension wire while poor places work well in low tension condition too. Seems fair rich should pay more for their electrical needs.
2019-05-17 21:44
People dont just become magically rich you know? so what if they make more money than someone else, maybe they worked hard to make that money hmm? and why should the money they worked for go to someone who doesnt work? that doesnt necessarily seem fair wouldnt you agree?
2019-05-20 16:19
#255
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India otgps 
No I do not agree. Everyone makes his money making someone else poorer and when it comes to efficiency on this setup, existing rich people destroy the poors at it. Think about it. A cokehead bimbo right now with about a 750k$ in a market linked portfolio not even doing any thing or applying brain or choosing a good company to work with can based on your Dow Index, bring in an excess of about 80k$ per yer with no effort made while its what aan average engineer would be making in your country. Now this is the law of land and no one seems to have a problem with it but just imagine this if market linked funds didn't exist because banks didn't exist. Its just a safe where you pay money to keep it safe. It pays no interest provides no service but costs like 1% every year to maintain and stuff. That's their business model and not predatory lending. what happens then, the cokehead bimbo now has to just spend it all as quickly as she can because she can't use it for any purpose. No one wants her as partner because interest rates are at 2-3% in P2P lending. This routes all the money ASAP into market economy and forces her to work to even eat. We take what we produce and re invest it all within a year in the whole country rather than anything growing on its own. What this creates a society where everyone works as much as needed by that person. I do not think financial play or predatory lending or shorting or trading is a work. I think that's just all a scam to dupe the common man. If someone makes money this way, I treat it as a robbery than work.
2019-05-20 16:46
You cant argue that "nobody wants to hire the cokehead bimbo" because the USA has loads of anti-discrimination laws that prevent people from telling their employer their age, skin color etc before being hired, its not possible that "nobody wants her" because they would be forced to hire her as long as she has proper qualifications.
2019-05-20 16:49
#266
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India otgps 
read it correct. I said no one wants her as partner in say she decides to just pony up this investment with some industrialist. The guy can easily have full control of his company taking loan at what 2-3% and going off on that. I was talking about using that money. Never talked about employment. Talked about setting up a new business here
2019-05-20 16:53
#265
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Libya Neroz44 
We already have free education. But I think that if you don’t go to a public school you shouldn’t have to pay taxes for public schools. Basically all these “free things” like school and healthcare just take money from hard working people and giving it to the poor people for free. I mean it’s not terrible, and the public school system is not that bad, but I think paying taxes for something you don’t use it stupid.
2019-05-20 16:51
#269
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
Why do you seperate the groups of poor and hardworking? can you not be a hardworking poor person? my father was very hardworking but was also fairly poor. my uncle is lazy as fuck and has loads of money
2019-05-20 17:04
#275
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Libya Neroz44 
If you are hardworking you will be able to pay for healthcare and schooling. I am talking about lazy people that don’t work much, it is their fault they can’t pay for healthcare.
2019-05-20 17:33
#277
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
but i know people that work like 50 hours a week but only take home like 2k a month.... they wouldn't be able to afford american style healthcare. luckily we have the nhs so its fine. there isnt much correlation between working hard and earning a lot of money, if anything its usually those who earn lower wages that have to do the more hard working jobs (ie builders, cleaners, nurses etc) while others like bankers get alot and dont do technically work hard
2019-05-20 18:10
#280
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Libya Neroz44 
Most manual labor jobs in America get you about 50,000 dollars a year roughly. And usually goes up in salary the longer you work. Most of those jobs you don’t need to go to college to get, so not being in debt will make it very easy to pay for schooling and health care. If you do go to college, you can get jobs with salaries from like 50,000 - 150,000 dollars or more. I mean there is lots of variety. Usually with those jobs you start with low pay Andy get increasingly higher as you get experience.
2019-05-20 18:50
#281
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
exactly and some medicine can cost thousands a month
2019-05-20 18:53
#283
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Libya Neroz44 
I mean no one in my family has ever needed medicine, so I am not very knowledgeable on this subject. I believe you don’t need medicine for your whole life, and if you do I think health insurance pays money or something I don’t actually know. Regardless, because you wouldn’t be in any college debt if you are doing manual labor, then you will be able to pay for it. You shouldn’t be getting money from other people for your own needs, unless those people want to give you money.
2019-05-20 18:56
#288
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
So you dont believe in taxation? like any at all? what about roads? Police? Firefighters? Lifeguards?
2019-05-20 19:47
#289
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Libya Neroz44 
I think most of the taxes on roads should come from tolls. Obviously tolls are only on highways, so taxing on smaller roads would make sense. Police everyone uses, because enforcing laws is necessary. Firefighters also makes sense, because extinguishing fires helps out more than just the person who had the fire. Also we need firefighters for stuff that happens naturally like in California. Basically, me paying for kids to go to public school only would help those who have children going to public schools. Which the cost for public schools wouldn’t go up much if they weren’t using taxes, because there would be tax cuts.
2019-05-20 20:41
#295
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
what if you are in the military and you get injured? should there be benefits for wounded veterans? i.e free money. ie. someone elses hard earned money given to them through taxation? or would you rather that wounded vet just not have any money ?
2019-05-20 23:09
#296
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Libya Neroz44 
There is already a system where if you get injured then you get paid money, if it prevents you from doing your job. And I think that makes sense. Although sometimes people exploit it, so it should maybe be. A little more strict. Like my uncle got injured and he could easily still work, but the government was still paying him money. He didn’t agree that they should give him money, but free money is free money..
2019-05-21 00:08
#10
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United Kingdom Madmax54 
Science should have its public funding increased because all of the recent advancements in human quality of life have been through science
2019-05-17 16:05
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2019-05-17 16:55
+1
2019-05-20 10:14
money costs
2019-05-20 16:28
Howdy fellow rightist
2019-05-17 16:06
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2019-05-17 16:55
#297
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Libya Neroz44 
Are you actually female?
2019-05-21 00:08
How is that relevant to the thread?
2019-05-21 02:05
#301
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Libya Neroz44 
It isn’t, and a reply to a comment on the thread doesn’t need to be relevant to the thread. Only the original comment needs to be relevant.
2019-05-21 15:05
#14
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United States Trump2020KAG 
I must leave I’m getting a brain hemorrhage looking at the collection of libtards
2019-05-17 16:08
>brain hemorrhage It's called cognitive dissonance.
2019-05-17 16:10
#17
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Please use smaller words for me. I’m not on a magnificent intellectual level as u. I only understand words like orange impeachment man racist sexist and bad.
2019-05-17 16:52
You constantly talk past people in "arguments" because you are incapable of adjusting to what people are actually saying from the preconceived strawmen that you think they believe.
2019-05-17 17:25
#54
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United States Trump2020KAG 
U wana debate me I got discord kiddo any time u want. I’m not going to write novels on hltv on why u are a retard.
2019-05-17 17:32
No, you just dont want to have something more formal so that you can get your cheap jabs in that cant realistically be checked in real time. Thats exactly why Crowder wont debate Potholer54, for example. Coz he cant win if it is actual fair play. If you have the time to be on discord, you have the time to be on here. Dont pretend. Fucking Wuss.
2019-05-17 19:44
#101
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Other xrist 
you can use vocaroo if typing is too hard for you
2019-05-17 19:52
#118
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Idk what that is. I’d love to debate ur ass. I’d have u turned into a conservative in 30minutes.
2019-05-17 20:09
Orange man not bad
2019-05-17 19:37
+100 thanks mens)))
2019-05-20 16:21
#95
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Bulgaria Omaiguudnes 
lol
2019-05-17 19:50
Axaxaxaxxa very cool mens)))) MAGA
2019-05-19 15:09
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2019-05-17 16:56
it's called brain activity, may be confusing for the first time it seems
2019-05-20 16:30
They dont have any.
2019-05-17 16:53
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2019-05-17 16:56
#45
2019-05-17 17:36
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2019-05-17 16:54
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2019-05-17 16:57
best argument against far right is just say TRUMP (a joke itself)
2019-05-17 16:57
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2019-05-17 16:57
Trump isn't far right
2019-05-17 19:37
except hes right
2019-05-17 20:03
Name a few things in which Trump is NOT far-right.
2019-05-17 20:04
migrations economics lgbt rights if u think trump is far right boy would you have a breakdown if you saw the real far right
2019-05-17 20:05
Makes extreme generalizations about illegal mexicans? Wanted to ban all muslims from entering? Is hard-capitalist? Shapes the tax-system against the working and middle class and in favor of the upper class (him and his buddies, like I expected 4 years ago?) Trans-people in the military got banned under his administration? What has he done for LGBT people except saying that he is for them?
2019-05-17 20:07
Far right are actually left wing economically (Ethnic nationalists), and right wing on social issues. Trump is nothing more than a Zionist cucked civ nat.
2019-05-17 20:27
Except he wasn't wrong in what he said Except he didn't Capitalism has nothing to do with far right Every politician fucking does that The trans ban is stupid, I agree He doesn't have to do anything for the lgbt community except saying he approves of them, or do you want them to get special treatmen? Fuck all humen are equal, let's give some guys special treatment for things they can't control, makes sense
2019-05-17 20:32
So all mexicans are rapists, drug dealers and criminals? HE DIDNT BAN MUSLIMS COZ IT GOT BLOCKED YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING MORON, WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IS THAT? Trying to separate Capitalism from being right-wing may have been viable 300 years ago but not anymore. Especially not nowadays. Yeah, almost every politician does that and so does he. Thanks for proving my point. Nah, I just wanted to see if you got anything. One example is that he didnt side with the gay couple when that cake thing happened.
2019-05-17 20:49
He didn't say that He wanted to ban people from muslim countries, not muslims, big difference You just acknowledge that capitalism is right wing, but not FAR right Thanks for proving that this fact doesn't prove that he is right wing,you just played yourself again Yes because the gay couple were SJW's that explicitly looked for bakeries that rejected them. They actively looked for conflict, like SJW's do. Btw, it was their right to reject the gay couple, you can not force someone to serve everyone(it is bad business to not serve everyone, but it is your right to do so)
2019-05-17 20:56
He said "mexicans are x y and z". Unfortunately, language in this case works the way that if he doesnt use "some of them, or a few of them or even most of them" he means ALL of them. Thats just linguistic reality. If he didnt mean it that way and he is unable to communicate that, he is unfit to be president. If he didnt mean it that way but thought that it wasnt an important distinction to make, he is an idiot and unfit to be president. He is just overall incompetent, so thats that. Fact is, he made a very right-wing generalization. Are you actually fucking serious? That makes it WORSE for your position if you had even one percent of a functioning brain and thought about it. I thought it was completely obvious that the guy is hard-capitalist and as such is far-right also in that capacity. But no, I have to explain every little thing to your peanut brain, apparently. Shaping the tax system in this way is part of being ultra-capitalist (-> far-right). Find me any leftie who for example supports trickle-down-economics. I know that the couple was quite shitty in their attitude but its still in principle not wrong. Do you think that the bakery should have been allowed to refuse service to an interracial couple?
2019-05-17 21:07
So you are completeley ignoring the context? That's so dumb lmao Let me phrase that differently. He didn't want to ban muslims, he wanted to ban people from countries that were unstable polititcally, were dominated by terrorists and produced a lot of terrorist attacks lately. Those countries just happened to be muslimic countries. In the legislation they tried to get through, the word "muslim" doesn't even come up, not even once. Capitalism is right wing, I get that. But it doesn't mean FAR right, only right. No one is denying that Trump is right wing, but you are trying to call him far right, which is not true and is pretty much defamation. They had a clear reason not to bake this wedding cake for the couple. Their religious beliefs didn't allow them to do so. Race would be a completely different story. And again, I think they should have just baked the darn cake, but they did nothing wrong legally and I understand they have strong religious beliefs, so it's not a huge deal, especially considering the behaviour of the couple
2019-05-17 21:19
You mean the illegal immigration context? Ofc the word muslim doesnt surface. Coz that would make it obvious how unconstitutional it is. Its like how the word "torture" doesnt come up in classified guantanamo documents but rather "enhanced interrogation techniques". You have fallen for their trap exactly. I dont see why being far-capitalist shouldnt also mean that you are far-right economically. Sounds like special pleading. Race would absolutely NOT be a different story. Both sexuality and race are not things that can be controlled/are both not a choice. So I will ask again. Should they be allowed to refuse service to an interracial couple because it is an interracial couple?
2019-05-17 21:54
Far from TRUMP in the right wing just have Brazil's BOLSONARO(dumb) and SALVINE(fascist) the fucked Lega Nord in Italy .
2019-05-18 07:31
I honestly dont understand what you just wrote, sry.
2019-05-18 09:31
Lega Nord is a ruling party in Italy. Bolsonaro is the dumb Brazil president
2019-05-18 15:59
The context he is talking about, is Trump didnt say MEXICANS were rapists, drug dealers, and criminals, he said that about MS13 GANG MEMBERS. "Muslim" ban was actually Obama's idea, Trump just put it into place, maybe if you did some research you would know that. Nobody is saying that being Capitalist isnt right wing, we are saying that it isn't "far-right" Its the right of the bakers to refuse service to anyone, they had religious objections so they refused their service, if a muslim baker did the same would you be complaining right now? Be honest, you wouldn't. Be honest, do you support the owner if they were an interracial gay couple who kicked a white Trump supporter wearing a MAGA hat out? probably not.
2019-05-20 16:34
I rewatched the speech to check what you said. Not only did he say "and some of them are good people I assume" which is OBVIOUSLY not something he would say about gang members, he simply never mentioned the MS-13 gang in that segment. He went from "Mexico is beating us economically" to "they are sending their people with problems" (NO WORD of ms-13 gang) to "Islamic terrorism xyz..." If I were to concede that he really did mean the gangs and not the general immigrants which would of course imply that he is much more nuanced than what it "seems" like, then it would show that he completely failed to mention the gang at the absolute most critical point of that statement either because he didnt think of it (which would show his mental incompetence) or he didnt think it would be necessary (which would show how absurd his thinking his). So try again with that one. Muslim ban was actually Obamas idea? Lets see what Obama was thinking of. It was called the Visa Waiver Programme. In December 2015 the six nations were named as "countries of concern" by Congress and their citizens were restricted under the visa waiver programme, a law signed by Obama. The law was first introduced as part of a larger spending bill and restricted visitors from 38 different countries (the UK included) from accessing the Visa Waiver Programme. This would, therefore, allow the citizens of 38 countries to visit America without a visa, as long as their visit is fewer than 90 days. At the other end of the spectrum; people who had visited or held dual citizenship in Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Syria or Sudan since March 2011, were prevented from accessing the waiver. Libya, Somalia and Yemen were later added to the banned list in February 2016. It was passed as part of a 2015 appropriations act by both Republicans and Democrats. Now, just to make it clear, what is the MASSIVE FUCKING DIFFERENCE between that and Trumps Executive Order? Trumps ban essentially wanted to prevent all citizens from those nations full stop, no matter the length of their stay AND no matter whether they had a visa (with very few exceptions). In comparison, Obama's legislation only affected those who were eligible for the 90-day waiver and not all visitors or travellers from the six countries. So try again. Yeah, and I already responded to that exact point in #142. So try again. Why do people from the right always think they can tell me how I would behave when a fucking muslim did the same thing? OF COURSE I WOULD BE AGAINST IT YOU COMPLETE MORON. I am sick and tired of people asserting that I wouldnt be. The principle is the same and I can stand muslims religious feelings just as little as christians religious feelings. I am not entirely sure if I would be supportive of that hypothetical interracial gay couple. You arent born a MAGA supporter and you CERTAINLY arent born with a MAGA hat sewn to your head. However, the principle I apply is that it must never be the case that in theory a person couldnt get any service anywhere for a certain attribute of theirs that they arent at fault for (/that they were born with). So for now I would say that they can refuse service if he keeps his MAGA hat on, just like if he had a swastika on his t-shirt, because its an obvious display and STATEMENT of despisement against the owners. If he changed clothes... maybe they should legally have to provide service.
2019-05-20 19:40
You better not skip a bit of that comment out of laziness m8.
2019-05-20 19:31
#35
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
There is no culture better than anyother. We should appreciate the differences to evolute instead of avoid it.
2019-05-17 16:59
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2019-05-17 17:01
#40
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Poland xkhao 
I agree, and that's why all cultures should be preserved and not thrown in a stirring pot and not changed into one culture, which is what leftists are doing.
2019-05-17 17:02
#44
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
Which culture is changing because the contact with others? This is the biggest bulshit rightists spreads. Give me one real example
2019-05-17 17:07
#46
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Poland xkhao 
I'm sure there are some examples out there, not as severe yet as the plan is only at it's early stage, although cities have managed to take away people's culture, that's why more tradition and culture is mostly seen in the country side.
2019-05-17 17:11
#55
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
Thanks for prove my point.
2019-05-17 17:35
#58
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Poland xkhao 
*Proving and I didn't prove anything except for the fact that the way you argue is the same as playing chess with a pigeon, he'll knock the chessboard over, shit on it and claim he won.
2019-05-17 17:39
#60
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
Again, just skipping and can't show a single example. Tks my pigeon friend for correcting my sentences.
2019-05-17 17:51
#61
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Poland xkhao 
Again, flipping the chessboard and claiming you won.
2019-05-17 17:53
#62
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
I won't won a shit. I just asked for you to proof your shit argument and you just cant. Omegalul
2019-05-17 17:55
You didnt win, you ran into someone who didnt necessarily know their stuff (no disrespect to you xkhao). Europe over the last couple of years has been introducing a new culture into theirs, the muslim culture, ever since Europe has been introducing more and more muslims into their country, the more crime rate has gone up, terrorism attacks have gone up, and the more laws are being changed to appease the "visitors" to give you an example, Poland has not accepted any immigrants much to the EU's chagrin. And this is how many terrorist attacks they have had... thedailychrenk.com/wp-content/uploads/20.. Also, there are some "sanctuary cities" in the US for immigrants, they have skyrocketing crime rates ever since they started defending illegals.
2019-05-20 16:45
No in this case, the pigeon is just not willing to accept your unfounded claims. Big difference.
2019-05-17 19:47
#115
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Brazil BlueLighting 
Just look to France.. to Germany, or even Britain.... PS: g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL47912-..
2019-05-17 20:07
Best countries in the world? LoL
2019-05-18 15:22
#177
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Brazil BlueLighting 
Are they the best countries in the world 'cuz of the immigrants? Just 'cuz they are in a "good"(France and Sweden...) situation right now thats doesn´t mean that they will be "Best countries in the world" forever, especially considering the recent changes caused by immigrants. Bad argument sir... "Best countries in the world".....
2019-05-18 21:19
They are the best countries and immigrants didn't fucked up. USA is made by immigrants and is not fucked up. Australia is full of immigrants and it's not fucked up. Why I waste my time in HLTV? just full of retardeds, bolsominions. No I need to say thank you, bolsonaro voters just gave me the motivation to go out of this shit, its impressive how montreal is different, just 2 months here and Im sure I will never return to monkey land.
2019-05-18 21:26
#191
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Brazil BlueLighting 
??? do you have mental issue, little kid? Fisrt thing, Australia and USA is "made" or was made mainly by immigrants from EU of XVI and XVIII centuries... They built the culture of the country with western concepts. Sweden is one of the counties that we can see what is going wrong... they now are one of the counties with more rapes in the world(mainly caused by immigrants). A lot of immigrants thinks that women are just objects for their desire, 'cuz of their culture and religion. The number of terrorist attacks only increases in EU over time. One of the most chosen names for newborns in the UK is Mohammed.... and you still tell me that they aren't changing the culture of Europe.... I don't care where you live, I don't care if you hate Bolsonaro or hate Brazil, (em bom português, estou cagando pra vc), this isn't the subject we're discussing here, if you cant debate with someone who has a different opinion from, so my condolences, it just shows how ignorant you are.
2019-05-18 21:58
35yo, masters degree in federal universities, not rightist neither leftist, i'm not little kid. I wont read your bulshit. Good luck in your life.
2019-05-18 22:10
#193
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Brazil BlueLighting 
Mental age is not determined with the date of your birth... and other time, I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE, YOU DONT NEED TO TELL ME THIS... DO U GET IT? PS: "not rightist neither leftist"...... LOL
2019-05-18 22:19
mad capslock expoted.
2019-05-18 22:30
#63
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Europe Vallon3 
Not really, western culture is clearly superior to most, if not all. Best quality of life and least negatives to it.
2019-05-17 18:13
A dictatorship isn't better than a democratic state
2019-05-17 19:38
i agree man the culture that invented school, vaccines, and all other extremely prosperous policies is no better than a country where women and children are raped routinely and where gay people are thrown off building no culture is better!
2019-05-17 19:54
Are you talking about The same which invade many countries, rape the natives, killed millions for gold? Brow your europea is not single point better than any other. It's a shame some from century 21 still talk like Hitler.
2019-05-18 15:24
so sharia is an equal culture and a viable alternative to the western world?
2019-05-18 15:55
Is the rapes Made by norwians criminals a viable alternative? You are just getting criminals which uses religion as a skuses, this is not culture. I really don't see the difference from a peaceful Muslim to a norwegian. Crimes are not related with culture or religion, but with poverty. The unique motive for you don't have this kind of thing in your country is because of been well economically. This has nothing related with culture. Gtfo, I will not continue a dumb discursion with someone which are just trying to prove 1 = 2. Really I don't understand the problem with Europeans.
2019-05-18 17:00
the crimes vikings did 1200 years ago? do you seriously think modern day saudi arabia and modern day japan have similarly viable morales?
2019-05-18 17:01
You are not comparing apples with apples and even tried to understand the economically view of things I said. Whatever, be happy in your white superiority.
2019-05-18 17:24
are you saying whites and muslims arent the same race? we can't compare each other because we are not the same species? woah there thats racist
2019-05-18 17:29
brow, really, why are you still talking with me: 1) If we are in a bar, probably we already punch each other like "adults" 3 messages before 2) If you are so sure about what you say, just record yourself talking, put in youtube and share with your friends in social media. Don't waste my time.
2019-05-18 17:40
oh ok i see why you defend middle age cultures, you are one of them flag somewhat checks out i guess absolutely unable to answer and thinking you would beat me in a fistfight if we talked irl? good one internet warrior
2019-05-18 17:58
#272
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Libya Neroz44 
There is no culture necessarily better but definitely can be bad parts of a culture. And certain nation are definitely better than others
2019-05-20 17:28
npc's dont make arguments they just shout "orange man bad" or "nazis" or "fascists"
2019-05-17 16:59
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2019-05-17 17:01
npc's dont make arguments they just shout "leftist are npc's" or "leftism is cancer" or "stupid libtard"
2019-05-17 17:46
All the arguments we make u ignore anyway yes ur npc's at this point
2019-05-17 19:37
I checked your profile and all your comments look same, you are calling lefist "delusional" "brainwashed" and "npc's" Do you even realise that you are the one who act like brainwashed npc?
2019-05-17 21:50
Nah ur retarded, i have like 10 answers per hour from delusional leftists like you, if i wanted to give everyone proper and constructive answer i'd literally have no life outside of hltv, besides i did it and still occasionally do but u leftists are such a close minded bunch of npc retards that i have came to conclusion that giving u proper arguments is a waste of my valuable time
2019-05-17 21:56
Then good luck living in your imaginary world, where you are the smartest person in the world, and everyone who doesn't share your opinion is "delusional brainwashed close minded npc"
2019-05-17 22:11
Umm, no. Usually, someone types one of the many valid criticisms of Trump and the only thing that rightists got is to REEE by typing "orange man bad" coz that is their go-to phrase when they dont actually have any argument. Prove me wrong.
2019-05-17 19:48
next ice age atm laughing at yall climate activists
2019-05-17 17:03
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2019-05-17 17:04
Like the Same thread where it was the other way around, in what topic? And also the so called leftist and rightist are a generalization each half of the political spectrum. People are calling everything that doesnt fit their views leftist or rightist. With this Type of discussion, we dont even have to have a discussion, because people are Not even trying to have an argument. They are Just pushing the other person into a category and gather agreeing people behind him, while attacking the other Person and Not the argument.
2019-05-17 17:08
What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little dummy? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that poop to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little poop. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fricking rip, kiddo.
2019-05-17 17:14
There is a right view and a left view. That's a fact.
2019-05-17 19:39
No, actually not. If we would have that, the whole Talk about us vs them would be true, but it isnt. There is difference in why conservative and right-wing dont like Immigration. If it would there would be left vs right, we woulndt need more than 2 different parties in most cases
2019-05-17 19:47
People like you misusing terms like "fact" are one of the big problems of our times.
2019-05-17 19:50
#48
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Germany AP)) 
Being Left- or Rightwing in 2k19 OMEGALUL Radical centrism best ism men)))
2019-05-17 17:15
+1 men)))
2019-05-17 17:26
Yes, I show people not the right, not the left, but the middle finger
2019-05-17 19:40
#84
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Germany AP)) 
+1
2019-05-17 19:44
Why do you only have three fingers?
2019-05-17 20:12
orange man bad
2019-05-17 17:17
Globalism is most likely the ultimate fate of mankind unless we have a mass economic/political disruption comparable to the bronze age collapse. And as long as we maintain autonomy and basic human rights, that isn't a bad thing.
2019-05-17 17:29
redistribution of income from capital is required to keep a capitalist system functioning when return on investment exceeds total economic growth
2019-05-17 17:38
it is morally unjustifiable to expropriate the surplus value of worker's labour in a system that forces them to work for <10% of the profits their labour provides, or starve.
2019-05-17 18:56
Kapitalism bad
2019-05-17 19:20
Better than everyone else we know of. It's like democracy a flawed system, but the best we know of
2019-05-17 19:41
NAZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019-05-17 19:42
nani?
2019-05-17 20:28
#208
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Sweden mrnotgay 
+1
2019-05-19 15:05
are you a fakeflagger?
2019-05-17 19:20
#70
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Finland j3nk3m 
Encouragement of more education, gun restrictions
2019-05-17 19:24
Encouragment of more education in what country? Gun restrictions, for what? The cities of Chicago and Detroit, two of the most notorious cities in the US for crime rate, have the strictest gun restrictions in the US at the same time, if you look at crime rate in the US and gun ownership in the US, the more guns there are in the US, the less crime there is, literally no need for gun restrictions, the only difference it would make is enabling criminals to kill people without fear of them defending themselves.
2019-05-20 16:57
#300
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Finland James Nelson 
Education is the important part here. Affordable and good education would make wonders
2019-05-21 09:30
Jesus is not comming back
2019-05-17 19:44
RIGHT WING DESTROYED
2019-05-17 19:52
Both are just ideas that you follow temporarily. How many Germans do you think regretted being Nazis after the war or maybe even earlier? And how many people do you think doubted Stalin's way of running things after supporting him earlier? Is it more important what you think you and other people are, or what happens with them and you in the near future?
2019-05-17 19:47
#121
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Brazil BlueLighting 
"How many Germans do you think regretted being Nazis after the war" Thats 'cuz they lost the war, I dont think that after a "win" they would regret from being nazis... actually I think that most of the planet would be ruled by nazi now. Most of ppl know whats wrong just when the consequences come to then, thats what we need to change, before making a move think carefull, humans should be doing that and the world would be a better place.
2019-05-17 20:13
I think you underestimate your fellow humans, I also think the people you describe are our late and probably future governments, but fair enough. :)
2019-05-17 20:18
If you know what's right, there is nothing left to discuss.
2019-05-17 19:51
Implement and use newly acquired knowledge instead of sticking to tradition for traditions sake. Progressivism is the way to go.
2019-05-17 19:53
#148
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Russia Islademuerto 
I am all for progress as long as it is not damaging to my life style and it improves my quality of life i.e I am all for gender equality as long as my way of life isnt compromised i.e FEMINAZISM
2019-05-18 07:41
#108
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United States gtmaniacmda 
I don't have any arguments, but you should watch this two hour video. - xDeadPixel's alt
2019-05-17 19:57
#131
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India otgps 
Are leftists for or against banks and finance?
2019-05-17 20:28
Banking isnt the problem, unhinged speculation and insane collection of wealth is the problem. The privatization of success but generalization of failure is also unacceptable (This bank just fucked everything up and lost 30 billion dollars? Well, instead of holding the founders, CEOs and stakeholders accountable like its supposed to be, we will just nationalize/socialize the losses so that they get to keep their billions in wealth and the general public can pay for it. GREAT PLAN). Thats what true reasonable people (generally left) are against. Right-wing politician like it that way and do everything to deregulate banks and that is fucked. Yet dumb right-wing fucks keep voting for those politicians.
2019-05-18 09:35
#156
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India otgps 
Banking is a problem. All major religions and societies of the world had a bank less finance ssytems because it was sin to collect interest. Be it muslims, hindus or christians. Only one creed was below basic human decency and started collecting interests on loans and madethis banking dominated world where every man/woman has to work 10 times of what he needs to to earn 10% of wha the should. Make no mistake all faults of capitalism go awry if there's no interests on deposits or loans.
2019-05-18 09:54
So instead of collecting interest, banks should charge a fee for their services?
2019-05-18 10:00
#159
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India otgps 
yes a flat operation fees. Like paypal or so it turns from a profit making enterprise to a service of sort. Take a loan, 2.9% flat fee. Make a deposit, 2.9% flat fee. This will promote people using P2P finances and decentralize the cash holdings in the system. Obviously government hates that because that means they can;t manipulate the finance system and bankrupt the country. Also, since no one is out giving fixed returns, inflation will be extremely low which will curb spending habit of people to wait since they have an assurance prices won't rise quick. Also, will prevent government from just printing money and causing a deficit. Will also make P2P transactions more popular and hidden charges, costs, fees etc go away. Also since savings rate will increase, people will be more willing to work less hours and content with their family. Everything I said is what government and bankers hate so its impossible they let this happen
2019-05-18 10:14
Ok interesting concept. I will keep it in mind and maybe ask an economic professional sometime if he can confirm your statements. Have a good day
2019-05-18 10:23
branding yourself as part of a collective in order for it to reflect your values denotes your inability to express your own viewpoint independently, and as such it denotes your immaturity in terms of social and political understanding also you're a beta cuck LMAO
2019-05-18 09:42
Everyone should have free education and healthcare.
2019-05-18 09:50
Gotta love AU net. Go read my other comment
2019-05-18 09:56
everyone should be pro choice , no one should mind what another person is doing as long as it does not affect you directly
2019-05-18 09:53
if abortion is legal, it would be legal for my mother to kill me when I was in her womb, this clearly affects me directly.
2019-05-18 17:32
ur mother might wanna kill you now too after hearing this
2019-05-20 10:19
I'm glad it would be illegal for her to do so tho
2019-05-20 10:29
but the people around you aren't.
2019-05-20 18:55
HAH NICE ONE
2019-05-20 20:48
#203
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Austria raicoon1337 
Bad argument. If you kill someone all you have to say is "it doesn't affect you" and you are free to go. No.
2019-05-19 14:49
foetus dont feel shit, better get killed in womb than suffering whole life because of feeling that u were unwanted
2019-05-20 10:20
that's your subjective stance, I'd rather have a shitty start in life than to be dead
2019-05-20 10:31
#278
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Vietnam rollofocker 
so all you need to do is sedate somebody in order to kill them? life is life and taking of life is killing. in western countries birthrates are already way too low, part of the reason why there are so many immigrants. state should never endorse something that is in its own disadvantage. whether you can privately abort is a discussion point but the state should never endorse or subsidize it.
2019-05-20 18:36
Value of human life > value of property. Education and social programs should make the playing field level for every person so that the value of their work is maximised rather than being in a position where regardless of how hard they work they cannot leave poverty. Discrimination against anyone on racial, religious or sexuality grounds is detrimental to society (if you turn away all Muslims on the basis of a few terrorist attacks then you will turn away people who can help your society). Religion should be allowed to exist within its own system as long as it A) doesn’t affect government in any way, and B) doesn’t overrule science. Science should be the dominant force in decisions.
2019-05-18 09:55
#180
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Sound like a rightist
2019-05-18 21:27
0/8
2019-05-18 22:20
#197
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Elaborate
2019-05-19 10:11
Mass education and social programmes - leftist No discrimination - leftist Religion separate from state - leftist Science should be the dominant force in decisions - leftist
2019-05-19 10:49
#200
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
Those are rightist as well, at least in my country
2019-05-19 14:27
#201
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Austria raicoon1337 
Thats rightism. Not leftism.
2019-05-19 14:45
That's leftism. Not rightism.
2019-05-19 14:55
#205
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Austria raicoon1337 
Nope
2019-05-19 14:56
#209
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Other xrist 
???? 0/8
2019-05-19 15:06
Mass education and social programmes paid through a faulty government system* - leftist Enforced equality of outcome* - leftist Religion separate from state (Ayn Rand was pretty far right as far as I'm concerned...) - leftist Science should be the dominant force in decisions (Ayn Rand) - leftist There, fixed it for you.
2019-05-20 10:33
There has been a pretty strong correlation between economic inequality and issues in a country (murder, obesity, etc.). youtu.be/cZ7LzE3u7Bw
2019-05-18 22:25
Brazilian leftists only have "facist, nazi, racist, homophobic" arguments
2019-05-19 10:51
Wtf, it's brazil. Shithole and shithole fucktard people, nothing else
2019-05-20 11:13
#202
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Austria raicoon1337 
Typical leftist argument based on "science": "it's just a clump of cells" :(
2019-05-19 14:47
thats literally what it is though
2019-05-20 16:23
#228
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United Kingdom 0outof8 
Honestly, most pro-choice people are aware it's alive, it's more that it's overall beneficial for the pregnancy not to continue even if it is a loss of life
2019-05-20 16:25
Typical leftist argument based on "science": "it's just a clump of cells" :(
2019-05-20 16:30
nvm
2019-05-20 16:41
#233
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United Kingdom 0outof8 
1. Hating large groups of people or trying to deny others rights is beyond stupid. 2. Unregulated capitalism will naturally form monopolies, firms will produce supernormal profit and instead of other firms being able to join and compete, monopolies will place barriers of entry to the market, ultimately leading to large corporations exploiting their power and people for gain. 3. Climate change is very real and we really should do something about it. 4. Religion has no place in schools at all
2019-05-20 16:29
stopped read at 'natural monopolies'
2019-05-20 16:30
#240
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United Kingdom 0outof8 
it's okay, read an economics text book and try it again
2019-05-20 16:30
you talking about capitalism interfered by socialism like br for ex thats why we have democracy and ur cuntry is fighting on this brexit thing
2019-05-20 16:32
#243
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United Kingdom 0outof8 
Try again but in English this time.
2019-05-20 16:34
BloodTrail
2019-05-20 16:35
#308
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Serbia d1ckson 
+1 well said
2019-05-24 17:27
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2019-05-20 16:29
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2019-05-20 16:29
Leftists ‘arguments’ are basically just ad hominems (you’re white therefore you’re wrong) and playground name calling (racist! Bigot! Fascist!)
2019-05-20 16:38
you're wrong but expected from whites
2019-05-20 16:50
#299
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Finland James Nelson 
And rightist arguments are always this. No argument but instead they circlrjerk how stupid the "worst" leftists are and thinking all of them are the same
2019-05-21 09:20
The vast majority of leftists are like this, I know this from personal experience and observation. Only a fool would waste his time trying to argue with people like this
2019-05-21 19:48
#270
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United States Jayaze 
Earth is flat and that’s sexist
2019-05-20 17:06
#276
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Australia t0rrent 
Drumpptfftf
2019-05-20 17:37
#287
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Finland James Nelson 
1. Rasict 2. Bigot 3. Greedy MFs 4. Human rights for all
2019-05-20 19:35
this but unironically
2019-05-20 21:22
The left has no arguements other that calling everyone with a different opinion fascists. This is also why they use their antifa thugs to shut down discourse as they are incapable of debate and they require laws against free speech (soviet union, uk, north korea, china) to make sure people dont wrong think. Still waiting for proof my life has been easy with 0 struggles what so ever because I am a straight white male, oh wait they cant.
2019-05-21 21:27
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