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r8 NiKo IGL
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
He seemed he was getting better and better at it until of course the visa thing happened. Thoughts on him IGLING this year and do you think he was improving?
2019-05-19 18:31
#1
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
bum
2019-05-19 18:35
#68
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Bulgaria ONZIEMA 
worse fragger = better IGL
2019-05-19 21:26
#2
s1mple | 
United Kingdom Wazerz 
ok
2019-05-19 18:36
yes
2019-05-19 18:37
#4
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Finland Jodecast 
If you think that players that are have/are extremely good fraggers should start igl you are just wrong, has never worked and never will, it has always failed, faze wont achieve shit with niko as igl or neo tbh
2019-05-19 18:37
#5
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Malaysia ez4harimaumuda 
They won two events this year. I don't understand where this bs about 'has never worked' come from.
2019-05-19 18:38
#7
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Finland Jodecast 
Lol elague invitational with no good teams and blast that everyone know is trash and nobody takes that serious
2019-05-19 18:42
#10
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Europe UhddiS 
tbf there just havent been enough tier 1 tounaments. only major, iem sydny and star series so u cant blame him for that
2019-05-19 18:43
#11
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Mexico BasicN1ga 
hltv.org/forums/threads/1995914/ez4ence Creatimg threads about ence win on blast lmao So i guess that win was a fluke too
2019-05-19 18:43
Rip Jodecast
2019-05-19 20:28
destroyed by facts and logic
2019-05-19 20:56
am i getting baited
2019-05-19 21:37
he just said ez4ence
2019-05-20 22:38
You don't understand how faze worked before karrigan was slashed. They literally lose to anyone they faced kinda like Virtus Pro. Under NiKo they managed to grab a few wins already this year. Nobody takes blast serious yet people are jumping on the ence beating astralis streak? Nice try tho.
2019-05-19 18:43
#14
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Finland Jodecast 
well ence actually did win 3maps against astralis and ended their era, something that faze failed to do. A "few wins", they won one blast and one low tier tournament and that only because the raw firepower against lower tier teams
2019-05-19 18:45
ah I see. If its ENCE it's a meaningful tournament, if its faze its tier 9000. Just because they beat liquid on a bo3 and not astralis makes it a easy tournament for them? #2 world ranking? LMAO Ok stay deluded
2019-05-19 18:48
#18
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Finland Jodecast 
Well ence actually beat astralis in 3maps and ended their era, something that faze did never manage to do and faze played final choker liquid lol
2019-05-19 18:50
can ence win a tier1 event first pls?
2019-05-19 20:26
#31
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Finland Jodecast 
Well they came close in the major, tbh not been any tier1 tournaments since the major where the format would be great and every single good team would participate in
2019-05-19 20:29
so how did ence ended astralis era, because of one bo3? the only one who ended them is themselves trough blast. imo the era just has a little break, and when they dont dominate at ecs, pro league ect. the era is really dead
2019-05-19 20:33
#37
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Finland Jodecast 
(-Reminder that they won them in dust2 earlier the same day so) 1.There was just too many points that they failed at, before when astralis lost in a tournament, they usually came back next time in dominating fashion in the next one, they had a terrible tournament in miami losing with pretty sad numbers against lesser teams and they didnt manage to come back in this one. 2. Nuke streak ended by ence which no other team had succeeded to do. 3. In this tournament they had still solid performance and they made it pretty easily to the final so there was all the keys to win it unlike in miami which they pretty much failed in early.
2019-05-19 20:40
even when astralis would have won this tournemant, the era would still be over. their only and big win this year was the major. outside from that astralis didnt attend a big event with navi liquid and ence.. how is no.1 no.2 and no.3 a reason how ence ended astralis's era. if they could do that consistently in big events, than I can realize it, but these blast events dont count as tier1 big events imo, the nuke streak is irrelevant for their era and not losing 2 tournemants since last year is irrelevant too they just fucked themselves for not going to iem sydney, which I understood, but thats another discussion and if astralis lose the next big events, its not ence who ended their era, its blastralis getting out of form
2019-05-19 21:05
#59
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Finland Jodecast 
Well there is always the most important point that you need to agree on, never under their era did astralis lose two straight lans, this was the first time they lost two in a row so pretty much this is technically the tournament where their lost their dominance
2019-05-19 21:08
so fnatics era ended when they lost 2 tournemants in the row, but won the 3 next again. losing this accomplishment didnt make them losing their era if they won madrid or miami, they still didnt win a big event this year, besides the major. their era was over at the time they made the schedule for their events. They didnt dominate from march to june, that are 3 months without a big event, thats not an era anymore.
2019-05-19 21:13
#66
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Finland Jodecast 
Well most analyst would disagree with you, but yes I can agree that one big factor was indeed the scheduling and skipping of the two big tournaments that we had earlier this year you have to understand that it was a fact for astralis for over 1year to always come back and win the next lan tournament after they lost a previous one, this has nothing to do with how other teams eras ended
2019-05-19 21:24
a fucking era is pure domination over a long time. 3 months without dominating the scene isnot an era. most analyst would agree with me like thorin and richard lewis does. and they says the exact god-damn thing.
2019-05-19 21:47
#82
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Finland Jodecast 
Yeah very possible, the big factor of it ending was prioritizing blast over others, but then again, losing at a tournament that you prioritize and do this twice on lan pretty much marked the time on which their era ended
2019-05-19 21:49
yeah indeed losing blast, the only tournemant they played this month is a huge loss. also, when they dominate and win ecs, pro league cologne major ect.. do you think its a new era? I would still count that as 1 era, with a little pause inbetween , would love to hear your opinion to that
2019-05-19 21:58
#85
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Finland Jodecast 
You mean the upcoming ones? I highly doubt that they will win all of them , I can see them winning 1-2 at best (ecs, pro league cologne major) But I highly doubt that will return to the old dominating time, we will probably go into a time where any of the top4 can bet each other until a new truly dominating team can be found
2019-05-19 22:03
#83
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Finland Jodecast 
youtu.be/RP-SuWvOhJk?t=14 watch this they talk about it
2019-05-19 21:49
#42
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Finland FocusMen 
Ended their era LUL
2019-05-19 20:52
#47
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Finland Jodecast 
Well their era ended with losing madrid so, ence was the team that was part of ending it
2019-05-19 20:56
their era ended by not going to big events, not losing to ence
2019-05-19 21:06
#19
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Finland Jodecast 
If you actually think that faze will go deep in a proper tournament like a major then I got bad news, wont happen, specially after this change
2019-05-19 18:55
#38
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Faze is bad m'kay? But Ence have not won any more tournaments than Faze m'kay. So stfu and stop being annoying Ence fan without brains, thx.
2019-05-19 20:41
#39
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Finland Jodecast 
Lol did I say ence is the best team in the world lol? If you cant handle facts then gtfo out of this thread lol
2019-05-19 20:43
#40
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Finland jakem0n 
You didnt, but saying that Faze's win at Blast pro series is lesser achievement than Ence's win is just delusional mate and that is what you did say.
2019-05-19 20:45
#41
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Finland Jodecast 
Okay let me explain this very carefully so you might understand the facts, and these are not really mine just points taking from analysts: 1.There was just too many points that they failed at, before when astralis lost in a tournament, they usually came back next time in dominating fashion in the next one, they had a terrible tournament in miami losing with pretty sad numbers against lesser teams 2. Nuke streak ended by ence which no other team had succeeded to do. 3. In this tournament they had still solid performance and they made it pretty easily to the final so there was all the keys to win it unlike in miami which they pretty much failed in the early stage.
2019-05-19 20:47
#43
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Finland jakem0n 
Only this 2nd point you pointed out is somehow relevant. Other are just forced by a stupid ence fan.
2019-05-19 20:53
#46
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Finland Jodecast 
Well if you cant agree on the facts the it is what it is
2019-05-19 20:55
#48
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
"Facts" coming from your head man. Its called either your opinion OR bullshit.
2019-05-19 20:56
#53
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Finland Jodecast 
not really, astralis has never lost two tournaments in a row under their era, now they did Sorry for the facts, these are not even my points, these actually copied statements from cs go analysts so if you are saying that people that get their paycheck for analyzing cs go are wrong here then I dont know what kind of csgo god you think you are
2019-05-19 21:04
#57
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Finland jakem0n 
Yeah and I should automatically believe what you are saying like a moron :D:D:D Are you on drugs or wtf? I'm not saying that MY OPINIONS are the only truth there is but I'd rather think that winning a tournament where is Liquid and Astralis is just as big achievement than winning a tournament against Astralis in a finals. Surely Astralis did fail in a early stage in a Miami but is that Faze's fault and should you take their victory away from them because Astralis failed? What the fuck are you thinking man?
2019-05-19 21:06
#61
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Finland Jodecast 
Lol when the fuck did I say something like that it was faze fault lolol?????
2019-05-19 21:10
#63
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
By comparing Faze's win at Miami and Ence's win at Madrid and saying Ence did a better job. Win is a Win bro either its Ence or Faze winning. And I didnt say you said that but you clearly are thinking that because you say Ence's win is the better achievement. I fucking hate stupid ass Ence fans BTW.
2019-05-19 21:13
#65
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Finland Jodecast 
I dont understand how you cant understand that ence winning astralis in madrid is a much more significant win than faze at miami, let me explain this very carefully again and if you dont understand this time then please dont respond: 1.Under the astralis era (which is stated by analysts to have ended at madrid) they did never lose two single tournaments in a row, sure they had one bad tournament sometimes but the fact is that they always came back winning the next time and they did this for over 1 fucking year 2. One of astralis most significantly proud facts was destroyed and they failed to surpass nips map record All the fucking keys are there if you fail to see them then not my fault, Look, I dont say it was ence that was the only reason that astralis era was destroyed , but ence was the team that put final nail in the coffin, could have been someone else ofc but it was ence this time so
2019-05-19 21:25
#69
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
Yeah yyeah, Era is ended, who the fuck cares? Win is a win either it is Faze or Ence winning IMO. I understand that you love to put your team of choice on a pedestal and that's why your opinion is irrelevant in this matter IMO. Sorry.
2019-05-19 21:30
#70
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Finland Jodecast 
Okay you are officially braindead, if you cant read I dont see the point argumenting with you
2019-05-19 21:31
#71
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
Haha, I agree. Spending time with people like you over here decreases my IQ by 50% daily.
2019-05-19 21:32
#72
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Finland Jodecast 
I love how this is coming from someone that apparently cant read...
2019-05-19 21:33
#73
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Finland jakem0n 
Yeah, I have a different opinion than you do and I'm retarded and cant read. Ok bro. I'm retarded and I can't read... I could change my flag to US flag now.
2019-05-19 21:34
#74
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Finland Jodecast 
I love how you think that the things that I said are somehow my opinions, did you miss the point when I said that the things that I stated are taken from professional analysts, but I guess you know better than people that work in the cs go scene
2019-05-19 21:36
#76
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
Source for you fact or I call it bullshit, ty in advance. Edit: Also analysts have opinions that people often do care about and took those as facts :D I don't mean that me or anyone else would be better than these "analysts" you were talking about but the "facts" that you are using here are just opinions of CS GO analysts that you are used to watch. I dont mean if these facts are right or wrong but more like you can state anything as a fact if you have a good argument for it.
2019-05-19 21:41
#78
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Finland Jodecast 
youtu.be/RP-SuWvOhJk?t=14 Doubt you will watch it, but if you do everything that I said is pretty much there
2019-05-19 21:43
#79
suNny | 
Finland jakem0n 
Hmmm, 2 and a half hours of possible bullshit but I'll take it as a challenge. Thx.
2019-05-19 21:45
#80
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Finland Jodecast 
Probably the best analysts you can find that have worked in the cs scene for the longest, its not like someone like pimp or etc "ex pros" are even close
2019-05-19 21:47
wait so if blast is so shit then it means nothing that ence beat them there right?
2019-05-19 20:02
#27
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Finland Jodecast 
Well for ence is means a lot since they won 3 maps against them and marked the time which ended astralis era (analysts agree on this point), at least this time astralis didnt go and massivly lose their game like in miami and they looked promising when coming into the final, in miami the team looked like they didnt give single fuck about the game since they lost with such heavy numbers
2019-05-19 20:25
The Eleague event doesnt count,they have even struggled to win that.Blast is good,but with the caliber of players Faze has they will win an event here and there almost no matter what. When their players "decide" they are going to play like their prime,they can win any event.But that wont happen often,for that they'd need a good system and Niko clearly didnt do too well doing it.
2019-05-19 21:24
fair points
2019-05-19 22:08
wont achieve shit but win blast miami and make top 8 at major and win eleague(which is shit i know). delusional ence fan
2019-05-19 18:40
#9
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Finland Jodecast 
Do you know that blast doesnt count for nothing for faze? If you actually think that barely making top8 at a major with the most expensive cs team ever is a good result then you need to stop watching cs go
2019-05-19 18:43
#15
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United States Zytoep 
then why did the ence win over astralis in madrid count?
2019-05-19 18:45
#16
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Finland Jodecast 
Actually ended their era, won 3 maps against and won them in a final in a tournament that astralis prioritized over others
2019-05-19 18:46
astralis ended their own era by not going to events. it wasnt ence. And where's the proof that faze is the most expensive csgo lineup?
2019-05-19 19:36
#21
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Finland Jodecast 
Well faze never really manage to do much against astralis, astralis always manage to bounds back the next time and after all ence ended their nuke streak which is no small task, most analysts says that astralis era ended with this madrid tournament so dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/faze-.. And that was only for that old ex g2 lineup, nikos buyout was around 500.000dollars and god knows what they paid for olof and guardian and they bought out allu as well before so, I think all the evidence is there that this has been the most expensive shit show in cs, acquiring neo only shows the point, faze dont want to spend more money on a failing team that has not managed to do what they should have
2019-05-19 19:48
"faze never managed to due much against astralis" astralis lost bo3/bo5 without winning a map in 2018 against one team. Faze. Faze beat them 2-0 in katowice, 3-0 in sydney, and 2-0 in chicago. I did that same google search you did and thats the first link that comes up. Just proves you are spewing shit without doing any research. Faze was the ONLY team that did shit against Astralis in 2018. They were just inconsistent.
2019-05-19 20:00
#25
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Finland Jodecast 
I dont know shit?lololol -chicago: Astralis won -Faze won 3 tournaments in 2018 and only one was in a final against astralis, other was against navi and mousesports -Astralis kicked out faze 4times on lan in do or die matches -Astralis have only been denied 2 times by faze, once in a final and once in early stage, while astralis pretty much won everything else in 2018, so graz beating a team twice while the team that you manage to beat twice went on and won 14 lan tournaments in 2018 If you are actually denying that faze is the worst catastrophe of wasted money on a team that in the end failed massively then I dont know wtf you are thinking
2019-05-19 20:19
#52
rain | 
Finland FocusMen 
Wasted money lol End of 2017 FaZe were about to start their era but choked V C9 that brought their mentality down
2019-05-19 20:58
#54
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Finland Jodecast 
well proves it doesnt it? Wasted money, winning 3 tournaments in 2018
2019-05-19 21:01
bro u said faze didnt do shit against astralis but they did more then any other team. U do realize north american teams are some of the most expensive teams in the entire world. I bet tl has a big pricetag
2019-05-20 00:46
#89
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Finland Jodecast 
I dont think you dont understand my point, Faze had to literally buy out almost every single of their players from other teams to their team making them the most expensive team and a catastrophic fail for the org since they have not even been near the best team in the world while being the most expensive shit show ever We are not comparing orgs here and how much their lineup is worth since selling/buying out a entire team is very rare, specially in top10
2019-05-20 11:43
how do you know that they paid the most?
2019-05-20 22:18
#91
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Finland Jodecast 
Well we know that when faze acquired their team they payed 700.000dollars and that was for that old lineup which rain is the only member still in the team Then after that: -Bought out Aizy -fee unknown -Bought out kio - fee unknown -Bought out allu -fee unknown -bought out karrigan - fee unknown -Bought out niko - fee 500.000dollars -Bought out olof and guaridan - fee unknown Nikos buyout alone is the top2 most expensive buyout ever in cs go And look at the other teams, 1. Astralis: core was already made and had no team before joining 2.Liquid: Many of the players joined from small teams and became famous in their team 3.Ence: some of the players where bought out, aerials signing was apparently the biggest one, but doubt even near big money 4.Navi: Core been together for gods know how long
2019-05-20 22:30
see thanks for proving my point that your just spewing bs without knowing any facts
2019-05-20 22:30
#94
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Finland Jodecast 
bs? Lol I stated facts,cant you read?
2019-05-20 22:32
you said "they are the most expensive lineup" and then proceeded to say that all the fees are unknown besides niko
2019-05-20 22:33
#98
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Finland Jodecast 
And acquiring the team to begin with, 700.000 + 500.000 is =1,2million, which surpass the biggest transfer fee ever for a team in cs go, add to that the fees we dont know and the team is a catastrophe in wasted money
2019-05-20 22:36
cant really count the 700000 considering only one player remains from that roster. Salaries are a thing as well. If we want to quantify the "most expensive roster" we should talk about all costs. just stop spewing bullshit. And how is the team wasted money? Even if they didnt win a single match they bring a lot to the FaZe brand. And they have won quite a few tournaments.
2019-05-20 22:38
#102
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Finland Jodecast 
Oh so faze just forgot about the 700.000 that they spent. The proof is there, why the fuck do you think that they got neo in the first place, they are tiered of spending money on the team that cant perform, they had their chance and failed. If you are telling me that im wrong I guess you want to tell ever analyst is wrong, because they state the exact thing that I do Do you actually really think that faze salaries are somehow lower than other teams so they dont make faze the most expensive team in your view and somehow lowers over 1,2million spent only on getting player Watch this video and wake up youtu.be/LIbzWT2Xdp4
2019-05-20 22:43
its not the same fucking roster how does that have anything to do with the current roster?
2019-05-20 22:42
#104
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Finland Jodecast 
they spent their fucking money on it, its was their team, it doesnt matter if it only has one player left from the orginal one, still it is a expense and its not a small one
2019-05-20 22:45
it has nothing to do with the current roster. Lets blame guardian because the 4 players before him couldnt perform?? Your just a delusional ence fan who sits on hltv 24/7 and writes 45 threads about ence
2019-05-20 22:46
#107
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Finland Jodecast 
Do you understand that if we talk about faze cs go team as a a catastrophe of money wasting, should we just forget the money they spent in the first place? Did the faze owners just forget that they spent 700k ? Its like you buy a used car, fix it up make it better and better with replacement parts, and when you in the end look at the bill you somehow forgot that you payed for the car in the first place
2019-05-20 22:52
#108
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Finland Jodecast 
Let me tell you something, I would suggest that you open your eyes and start to see facts, íts all there on the table but If you are too delusional to see it then poor you
2019-05-20 23:03
#95
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
I think NEO might be good if he can replecate old VP in this faze roster but its a low chance
2019-05-20 22:31
#100
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Finland Jodecast 
old vp was never a really tactical team, they heavily relied on brute force of players, they where never even near a high tactical team, and add to that, neo wasnt always calling for vp
2019-05-20 22:38
#109
Thorin | 
Egypt True_ 
I understand that but even brute force has its timing and its tactics. NEO called for good vp tbh and maybe taz aswell
2019-05-20 23:32
#8
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Mexico BasicN1ga 
He should have continue igling Now they got outdated neo.... Faze with Niko igl was top 5 Now with neo they will be top10.... They should have got flusha that can help NiKo with the calls and ez trophies
2019-05-19 18:43
Unfortunately I heard some swedes said flusha doesn't want to play with them
2019-05-19 18:44
#34
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United States AproximateCS 
Flusha doesn't seem to want to play with any1
2019-05-19 20:33
He's just taking some time off cause one of his parents died recently, also he will return to C9 when he comes back.
2019-05-19 20:53
I think he will be back on Fnatic in some time this year
2019-05-19 20:56
if 0 improves you can see the improvements more drastically. it was still bad
2019-05-19 19:47
#26
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Croatia mds818 
I don't see a point in Niko igling, he can sacrifice some of his skill for some other player but it's a waste.. just look back at mouz
2019-05-19 20:16
Not as good as GOAT IGL Karrigan
2019-05-19 20:26
He was baiting whole team to get frags /close
2019-05-19 20:30
#36
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United States AproximateCS 
/open true but it worked /close
2019-05-19 20:33
#33
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United States AproximateCS 
He did a decent job, got them legend status, some decent wins at decent tournaments.
2019-05-19 20:32
only baiting for kills?
2019-05-19 20:54
Good fraggers like him and shox (used to be) and are wasting their talent when they are igling, even if it somehow worked for Faze but I also see no future for them with neo.
2019-05-19 20:58
#55
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Austria iVolcan 
niko wouldn't be good igl until he fixed his anger issue or ego issue, he tends to rage and would make irrational calls or decision like he did in Major Final on inferno against C9 when he just pushed the T smoke on long without any flash or info just by himself cuz he had the urge to make a hero play
2019-05-19 21:02
#60
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Austria WhiteHawk7777 
I rate it a solid 5/7
2019-05-19 21:09
better ?
2019-05-19 21:10
Niko trash igl, faceit 5-man igl better
2019-05-19 21:43
#88
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Colombia HachitaVidal 
Trash IGL, great fragger although I personally don't like him that much. IGL 2/7, Fragger 9/10
2019-05-20 00:47
#92
NEO | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
A literal, solid 0/8. Using his calling power to bait his team every round for frags and using yNK to analyze the best exit frag spots for him
2019-05-20 22:29
#96
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Ukraine KingOfSoloSex 
too bad no brain just skill
2019-05-20 22:33
#105
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Ukraine Niksyrota 
At the level of Karrigan
2019-05-20 22:45
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