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#1
f0rest | 
United States big_mama 
NiP? :(
2019-05-22 17:19
Astralis to s FaZe to a Fnatic to b NiP to b
2019-05-22 17:20
#29
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Fnatic and Nip are better than Faze. But NT
2019-05-22 17:46
#107
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Faze to ESL finals in NiPs group NiP relegated
2019-05-23 08:00
Online games huh (JK)
2019-05-23 08:04
Was a lan game but ok
2019-05-23 11:01
Noticed the "(JK)" part? Didnt think so
2019-05-23 21:24
Was a lan game but ok
2019-05-23 22:53
Noticed the "(JK)" part? Didnt think so
2019-05-24 12:09
#109
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Nip to ECS finals. Faze relegated
2019-05-23 10:44
#110
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Except they havent been relegated and ESL is a much more prestigious tournament 16 teams, more regions LAN groups stronger competition better format In actuality they should be in the same tier
2019-05-23 10:49
#111
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
That’s your opinion. Also Nip is ranked above faze and faze lost to VP.
2019-05-23 10:51
#112
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
And NiP lost to Giants, both teams are quite inconsistent. No its not an opinion, its backed up by facts, do you have any reasons as to why ECS is a better tournament? Probably not. Saying "thats an opinion" doesnt counter my argument. Both of our arguments are opinions, tiers are subjective, but their is no backing as to why NiP is on a different level than FaZe when they have extremely similar results and inconsistencies. Not to mention single games are not indicative of a teams skill, you need to use performance over at least a 3 month period to differentiate teams, doesnt seem like you know how to properly analyze teams if you actually thought that the VP loss (when they couldn't even qualify anymore and literally added NEO that day) is their true level then you're incredibly biased.
2019-05-23 10:54
#113
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
You don’t know what an opinion is. If you say that the ESL formal is better than ECS than that’s your opinion. Personally i likr ECS more because it’s not round robin. Esl uses round robin which is shitty format
2019-05-23 10:54
#115
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
The tournament itself is better, its 16 teams vs 8 and has way better teams, vs an 8 team tournament where the best team besides Astralis is NiP/NRG. ESL is clearly a more prominent tournament and has pretty much always held more priority for teams than ECS. ESL simply has a bigger stake in the scene than Faceit. They use prize money for teams instead of direct performance. ESL is definitely more fair to teams, you cant farm weeks for prize money and edge out teams that outperformed you and its all on LAN which is a massive bonus.
2019-05-23 10:59
#117
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
I know exactly what an opinion is you silly troll, thats why i said "tiers are subjective" but subjective statements can be reasoned with facts, which I did and you didn't.
2019-05-23 11:00
#121
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
No you said that esl had "better format" and then you said "No its not an opinion, its backed up by facts" So show me the facts that ESl has better format. Since it's a fact and everyone who disagrees is wrong. I can see that you are really mad right now and i understand that it's hard to be wrong.
2019-05-23 11:04
#122
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
16 teams vs 8 teams Better competition Teams prioritize it more Notice Navi dont even attend ECS
2019-05-23 11:05
#123
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
notice ence don't even attend EPL. ence > navi
2019-05-23 11:06
#124
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Because they became a top team before they made it thru MDL? I guarantee they get an invite to relegation and have a chance to qualify. Anyway that doesnt counter any of the points above that and theres way more teams that play ESL over ECS than vice versa. Nt tho.
2019-05-23 11:07
#125
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Nip is still better than FaZe. When was the last time you've seen Niko popflash through a smoke, and flick too two people to open up a site??? All this dude does is hold shift and prefire common angles. like wow dude, ur fucking nuts. you can have parkinsons disease and play on 1.4 sens if ur just baiting and clicking heads on common angles. this is why forest and get right are sick players. they play on higher senitivities, and can do more than bait and off angle one click.
2019-05-23 11:08
#126
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nice copy pasta. 0 arguments still. Silly troll.
2019-05-23 11:09
#127
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
I don't need to argue when It's a fact.
2019-05-23 11:10
#128
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8
2019-05-23 11:11
#131
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Fnatic and Nip are better than Faze. But NT
2019-05-23 11:14
#132
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8 Fnatic is, NiP is not
2019-05-23 11:15
#133
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
You have no girlfriend. You sit up in the middle of the night answering comments on hltv, feels bad. Maybe go get some friends. You literally waited for me to write so you could answer in 10 seconds haha. No friends
2019-05-23 11:15
#134
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
You're pathetic
2019-05-23 11:17
#135
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
And you're sitting up in the middle of the night arguing on hltv. You don't like me but since no one else wants to talk to you i do. You answer my comments seconds after i write them and it's night.
2019-05-23 11:18
#136
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0/8
2019-05-23 11:18
#137
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
You have no friends.
2019-05-23 11:20
#138
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Yikes
2019-05-23 11:19
#139
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
I know you have no one else to talk to in the middle of the night but I'm gonna be the grown up of us and walk away from here. Bye hope you find friends. /closed
2019-05-23 11:20
#140
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0 arguments in 10 comments
2019-05-23 11:21
#114
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Nip is better. That’s just a fact
2019-05-23 10:55
#116
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
0 arguments, you're actively going against facts which means you're either delusional or biased.
2019-05-23 10:58
#58
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Singapore Kerk 
Respectable username but fnatic is quite good right now
2019-05-22 18:07
#86
smooya | 
Germany Xrageon 
Faze a Fnatic b is an absolutly joke
2019-05-22 23:25
#3
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Finland Vkims 
Ence is as good as astralis
2019-05-22 17:20
#4
Simple | 
Ukraine s1v9mple 
Lmao comparing Blastralis to ENCE
2019-05-22 17:21
#6
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Finland Vkims 
yeah you are right, ence should be above them
2019-05-22 17:21
#91
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India Noobdian 
+1
2019-05-23 05:13
Still needs a bit more proof but it's getting there. Ence has beaten Astralis twice in one tournament which is really big, but doesn't balance out the domination Astralis has had on the scene.
2019-05-22 17:31
#36
oBo | 
Finland Juhousiwan 
+1
2019-05-22 17:55
#39
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Russia LeGoBoys 
Majors? Grand slam? Era? Man pls your comment compromise all ence fans
2019-05-22 17:57
#5
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United Kingdom KieranFR 
Put Astralis in B for Blast HAHAHAHA XAXAXAXA
2019-05-22 17:21
#8
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
Why is Astralis placed in a position seeming that no other team can defeat it?
2019-05-22 17:23
#9
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Europe martwica 
nip -1 mibr -1 avangar +1 furia -1 aristocracy -1 spirit +1
2019-05-22 17:23
#10
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
And c9 and vp???? xDDD
2019-05-22 17:24
theyre there? your point
2019-05-22 17:26
#14
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
the placement ofc
2019-05-22 17:27
Well where should VP be, ik i was a bit brutal to c9 tho
2019-05-22 17:28
#20
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
D eyes closed
2019-05-22 17:30
#18
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
Also, Aristrocracy will defeat Optic/ North/ Valiance/G2/Furia on any given day
2019-05-22 17:31
0/8
2019-05-22 17:29
#22
ckN | 
India SinghSir 
2019-05-22 17:31
It was more about valiance or furia and maybe even north ... Aristocracy would be surely underdog in those match ups
2019-05-22 17:36
#16
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Europe martwica 
good tier for c9 but i would put vp lower
2019-05-22 17:28
Astralis shouldn't be in their own tier anymore...
2019-05-22 17:26
#13
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African Union OllieMaN 
Mibr to H coz HORSESHIT
2019-05-22 17:26
kkkkkkkkkkkkkk tilted ai bro?
2019-05-22 17:55
#50
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African Union OllieMaN 
kkkkkkkk 2019 titles ? xdddd
2019-05-22 18:04
kkkkkkkkkkk african cs alltime titles?
2019-05-22 18:11
#62
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African Union OllieMaN 
we dont care about ancient history :)
2019-05-22 18:12
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk nt
2019-05-22 18:13
I mean he's right. mibr has been absolutely horseshit ;/
2019-05-23 07:55
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk nt uk cs
2019-05-23 23:29
do you disagree or?
2019-05-24 06:00
#15
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Germany Neckarstadion 
your tier list is good, but i think its fair to put Astralis on tier S and have nobody at SS
2019-05-22 17:28
#24
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Estonia badbait0r 
2019-05-22 17:35
#25
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Romania TheWizard741 
2019-05-22 17:36
#30
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Wow, you put navi on same as astralis. navi lost to north. are u stupid?
2019-05-22 17:47
#32
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Romania TheWizard741 
shit happens man.in the end navi are still contending for titles at almost every event they go to. slip-ups just occur. like astralis at Blast Miami
2019-05-22 17:51
#34
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
You are just stupid. You put C9 over Heroic, and NRG over MiBR and renegades.
2019-05-22 17:54
#40
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Romania TheWizard741 
"C9 over Heroic" what do you mean?they are the same tier,i didn't rank them inside the tiers i just put them randomly in there. renegades havent played with their full roster for a while and they won't at their next 2 events also and MIBR really haven't been performing. NRG is looking good but yeah maybe i should've put them on B tier as well
2019-05-22 17:57
#41
NiKo | 
Bosnia and Herzegovina Flippee 
Ye but putting Navi as good as astralis and C9 so high (when they clearly are shit) is dumb
2019-05-22 17:58
#99
s1mple | 
Brazil Gdenboy 
NRG OMEGALUL
2019-05-23 06:55
Windigo C tier
2019-05-22 17:45
#31
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United States Degree|CSGO 
Wow actual good list. Al I would do is bump Giants down a couple tier bit besides that it’s a solid list
2019-05-22 17:48
you had no idea how much it hurt me to move mouz from A to B, i just thought, "not yet, maybe soon, but not yet"
2019-05-22 17:55
Astralis been less good lately but I wanna see some real tournaments before deciding all they done is blast after major
2019-05-22 17:51
but..... i like steelega rest is definite 100% accurate
2019-05-22 18:02
nice that we can agree
2019-05-22 21:25
Steel only good br player cause he ain't a cocky asshole
2019-05-23 00:17
#42
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India zCalibeRz 
2019-05-22 17:59
VP H tier? eh theyve had some good results recently, id put em a bit higher
2019-05-22 18:03
#55
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India zCalibeRz 
F G H tiers are equivalent to me I put vp and ldlc in there cuz I used to be a happy fanboy and both him and vp are so washed up it's kinda sad
2019-05-22 18:06
#54
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Poland MapPredictor 
Big equal to Avangar XDDDDDD
2019-05-22 18:06
where is gambit major champion?
2019-05-22 18:02
hltv.org/news/26850/gambit-put-primary-l.. Cant really judge a team that hasnt played and only has 3 players
2019-05-22 18:04
#51
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Poland MapPredictor 
ViCi in G?
2019-05-22 18:04
#59
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Ukraine COV@ 
nice, man))))))
2019-05-22 18:07
ty ty
2019-05-22 18:20
#56
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Ukraine COV@ 
i dont know who creat it site, but he is god
2019-05-22 18:07
#57
JW | 
United Kingdom Hamshanks 
When you think MiBR is on the same level as others on that level :/
2019-05-22 18:07
Astralis to S, they need to prove themselves again before they are #1. I think Liquid and ENCE both have equal potential to beat them atm, imo its 50/50 who would win in a bo3(as long as its not a final for Liquid)
2019-05-22 18:12
#66
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United Kingdom Breezeeh 
2019-05-22 18:16
#67
ANGE1 | 
Russia ultnie 
I decided not to put NA and SA teams except Liquid, NRG and MiBR because I simply don't watch it. And some parts of MDL teams based only on results, tbh. gyazo.com/7cd63e274c5915f20e937d840e4773..
2019-05-22 18:19
#70
prd | 
Slovakia SlightTV 
2019-05-22 18:20
#71
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Bosnia and Herzegovina VeryColdGuy 
2019-05-22 18:21
#72
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Finland Mirfic 
2019-05-22 18:21
#75
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United States fatburger 
2019-05-22 21:47
nt skinny taco
2019-05-22 21:47
#77
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United States fatburger 
im not taco wtf
2019-05-22 21:49
I’m not taco wtf
2019-05-22 21:49
team nemiga wtf???
2019-05-22 21:58
i like how all of the teams you couldve picked, it was nemiga
2019-05-22 22:44
well i mean you could make trash argument for all the other teams being in that tier. but like nemiga have done nothing of significance, they shoudnt be above c9, eunited or vp
2019-05-23 04:59
#80
gla1ve | 
Denmark flapdur 
I agree with 80% of your list, but many teams are changing right now
2019-05-22 22:00
I don't any have :(
2019-05-22 22:07
#85
ZywOo | 
Denmark Kurin 
Vitality to A and it's ok
2019-05-22 23:21
#93
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Denmark baccster 
Vitality would realistically lose to every team in A tier unless Vitality overperform or the other teams underperform.
2019-05-23 05:32
G2> or =vitality
2019-05-23 07:46
#142
ZywOo | 
Denmark Kurin 
No just no
2019-05-23 17:41
Here is the real teams rating gyazo.com/d24cc9060ecbec2f1eeec85219dfed..
2019-05-22 23:42
#92
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Denmark baccster 
WHY IS EVERYONE PUTTING AVANGAR SO HIGH WTF
2019-05-23 05:28
#94
NOPEEJ | 
Portugal Celito 
MINE. imgur.com/a/ekZ9xcw EDIT; I saw how high I put NIP xD so , there u go : imgur.com/a/T6sTQjK
2019-05-23 05:48
#95
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Finland Taynz 
Tier 1 ence navi astralis
2019-05-23 05:47
#96
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United States LoganPaulFan 
2019-05-23 06:00
Grayhound -1 Any D tier team is stronger FURIA -1, good, but not as good VP +1, they are not that bad C9 +2, would compete well in D VICI +1, they are actually not that bad LDLC +1, they had some time to practice now, should compete well in G tier Nemiga -1, haven't seen them to do anything good overall good list, I think one of the teams in A will soon become S tier and have a feeling ENCE won't keep their success for too long
2019-05-23 06:44
#98
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France FrighTyyy 
Decent list.
2019-05-23 06:48
Complexity and Aristocrats too high
2019-05-23 06:57
#101
rain | 
Lithuania Planum 
Fnatic, nip > faze??
2019-05-23 07:04
#119
Brehze | 
South Africa nimmaJ 
Nah probably should be on the same level as NiP but Fnatic is above them. Theyve made finals at the last 2 tournaments theyve attended while Faze hasnt made playoffs.
2019-05-23 11:02
Astralis to S maybe NRG to a and fnatic/NIP to b
2019-05-23 07:05
my criterion was: anyone from the tier can win from the other tiermaker.com/list/video-games/professio..
2019-05-23 07:20
2019-05-23 11:14
#141
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Libya Pattapain 
g2 god tier, shoxie and kennyS <3 vitality top tier with rpk and alex (even if he's rosbif) <3
2019-05-23 11:24
#143
rain | 
Norway Vinzoo 
2019-05-23 17:50
HellRaisers
2.53
Copenhagen Flames
1.50
Tricked
2.80
SKADE
1.43
Airborne
1.31
FURY
3.30
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