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Finland ENCE_1_MUSIC_KIT_OTHERS_0 
Is cheaper than all the premiums u pay
2019-05-23 21:18
#1
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Estonia badbait0r 
yes, healthcare is a right not a business, fuck USA
2019-05-23 21:19
#60
ozzy | 
Netherlands osbourne 
+1
2019-05-24 09:46
#102
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France TheArchitect 
+1
2019-05-24 14:52
#2
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United States Trump2020KAG 
How about people work for health care.
2019-05-23 21:20
#4
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Estonia badbait0r 
imagine thinking health is a business
2019-05-23 21:22
+1 LOL NA BRAIN
2019-05-23 21:23
what about children? or disabled persons? persons who are too sick to work? People who work fulltime but still live in poverty?
2019-05-23 21:22
JuSt WoRk 4Head
2019-05-23 21:23
Umm if you are sick and cant work you are put on medicare. If you are a child without parents you are given health stamps from the government (example orphans foster children etc)
2019-05-23 21:26
It is almost as you clueless euros never learn you just go off of what the media tells you
2019-05-23 21:27
learned about what?
2019-05-23 21:27
hmm how the us health care system works
2019-05-23 21:28
nobody ever mentioned the US? and even if, all he said is that people should work for healthcare which obviously would leave many people without healthcare
2019-05-23 21:28
#1 lol blind
2019-05-23 21:28
nice but did I respond to #1 or #2?
2019-05-23 21:29
YES XD
2019-05-23 21:30
Its hilarious and same time super sad that even at 2019 when internet is full of facts and information, you brainwashed americans still think you are the best country in the world. XDDDDD. Imagine paying 50% in tax and not getting free healthcare, having a 300-thousand euros surgery, requiring one of the best neurosurgeon in the world + 2 more doctors + at-least 2 more nurses would cost you typical 30-45euros / day in hospital in Finland. In USA, no matter what bullshit you tell me, they are not going to even think about calling neurosurgeon unless you have some dolla dolla in your bank / one of the best health insurances.
2019-05-23 21:47
Im not American lol
2019-05-23 21:48
Canada is America mens)))
2019-05-23 21:50
how?
2019-05-23 21:50
returded mens))) ?
2019-05-23 21:51
umm you?
2019-05-23 21:52
Where is Canada mens))) ?
2019-05-23 21:52
North America
2019-05-23 21:52
fek, u no murican mens ))) u right
2019-05-23 21:53
#67
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Russia provideinjury 
+1
2019-05-24 11:48
It dont work
2019-05-24 07:18
To be fair, this is what every human is like
2019-05-24 13:15
#19
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United States Trump2020KAG 
All them people are covered idiot. Wtf are u talking about??????? U ever hear the saying able bodied????
2019-05-23 21:34
covered by what?
2019-05-23 21:38
#21
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United States Trump2020KAG 
They all have free health care. It’s called Medicare and Medicaid. Government spends some billion dollars a year on it. U talk like u know but u don’t know shit.
2019-05-23 21:40
don't know shit about what? what government are you talking about? nobody of us ever talked about a specific country
2019-05-23 21:41
US OF A STUPID
2019-05-23 21:52
what do you mean?
2019-05-23 21:27
#30
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Brazil IwillHelpYou2 
How about expend $153.000 just because was bite by an snake ? cnbc.com/2015/07/21/hospital-appears-to-.. Burguer brain
2019-05-23 21:44
That turned out to be fake nice try
2019-05-23 21:51
#44
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Stupid ass kid saw it on the internet so it’s true. I’d rather spend 150k on a clean American hospital then use a Brazilian hospital(mudhut) that still uses shamans as doctors. Dirt bag kid walking around barefoot on the streets thinks he knows more then a actual American who has a job who pays taxes and has medical dental vision and prescription coverage ALL PAID for by my union.
2019-05-23 22:03
Ah yes conservative ran out of shit to say so goes on insulting... so sad
2019-05-24 09:30
trump supporter who is a union member. now ive seen it all. you know what big daddy trump will do to your union right?
2019-05-24 09:47
#63
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United States Trump2020KAG 
I’m not a fan of the Union. I am of the pay scale tho. A lot of the guys are Trump supporters here but it’s something people don’t talk about at work because of the TDS guys that go off like idiots if u mention him. Btw-union jobs=u can’t work here if not a member which is segregation separation and racism towards non union members. Which is why unions support open boarders. It lowers the non union workers pay scale so the skilled legal employees join the unions which helps them get more and more jobs. But it’s a huge difference in payscale my company does union and non union work.
2019-05-24 11:45
why are you not a fan of unions if you see that they give you and other workers benefit compared to situation without unions?
2019-05-24 11:47
#71
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United States Trump2020KAG 
unions give millions to Democratic Party. They support anything that fucks the non union worker. Unions go on strike if they want pay raises. Lazy employees are protected by the unions. A guy doing the same if non union is a scab or leech. Union guys think they are better then everyone else. 90% of my work I do is the union side but I can tell u on the non union jobs the workers get a lot more done and better harder workers. But union side I’m 42.32hr non union 23$ hr. Huge difference
2019-05-24 11:57
again, if it gives you and other workers benefit, more pay for less work, why would you be against it? its not like those multinational, tax dodging, million dollar CEO bonus paying, corporations you work for have more right to that money than you, the worker. and then we havent even mentioned all the lobbying and corruption that these companies use to keep the worker down.
2019-05-24 12:30
Holy shit you are so triggered xD
2019-05-24 12:55
#91
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Ummmm ok
2019-05-24 13:14
The mentality of "why should i pay for others healtcare" is the dumbest ive heard.
2019-05-23 22:20
#49
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Well move to s country like America that has millions and millions of lazy none working scumbags that use and abuse America’s system. Fuck them. Why should I pay for a drunk driver who wraps his car around a tree why should I pay for someone breaks his leg skateboarding why should I pay for a scumbag who is so far they can’t walk and now want surgery why should I pay for a dude who wants tits instead of a dick why should I pay for the crack head who overdosed for the 3rd time why should I pay for them??????? I’ll pay for myself and my kids. If the next guy don’t have a job and no healthcare fuckhim not my problem.
2019-05-23 22:36
As i said, dumbest ive heard. Not everyone is drunks or narcs. There is legit people who just have no job.
2019-05-23 23:07
holy fuck people are still making this argument in 2019? hurr durr why should i pay for someone else? because they are your fucking countrymen. they are your people. you mentally disabled immoral piece of shit. imagine how great your country would actually be if you people worked together instead of trying to fucking kill each other.
2019-05-24 09:46
#66
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United States Trump2020KAG 
A lazy bum who don’t work and lives off the government is no countrymen of me. I work I pay taxes I help keep the country going. Them lazy fucks who don’t work only hold the country back. If I could pick and choose I’d have not 1 cent of my taxes go towards welfare system.
2019-05-24 11:48
these people who dont want to work hardly exist. no one likes being dependent on a handout for survival. especially americans.
2019-05-24 12:27
#95
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Lmfao obviously u don’t know much about America. Maybe in the Netherlands everyone works but here in America the government pays out trillions every year in all BENEFIT programs we offer. Welfare is career here. It used to be only the needy and people on real hard times would do it bu not anymore. Millions of people never worked EVER and just pop out kids that live the same lifestyle as them(no job live off government have multiple kids). The scum bags of this country will never change because they get everything handed to them. Never ending cycle of bums.
2019-05-24 13:21
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare#Germany 27.6 percent of Germany's GDP is channeled into an all-embracing system of health, pension, accident, longterm care and unemployment insurance, compared to 16.2 percent in the US.
2019-05-24 13:30
#99
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United States Trump2020KAG 
U are comparing Germany and America. Germany is the size of 1 state. 1/4 of the population. America’s infrastructure bill a year exceeds Germany’s GDP so u can’t compare countries unless it’s by size and population. But this is off subject. If u wana compare us do things like % of people reviving government assistance or % of population in work force compared to % not in work force. Yes we have record low unemployment but all that means is people who have worked are currently working. Has nothing to do with people who don’t work atall. My point is I don’t want my taxes raised so somebody else can get free health or school. In America u want something u work for it.
2019-05-24 14:29
what do you mean you cant compare it, you can compare percentages just fine between countries of different size. by your logic germans could then argue their numbers can be compared to dutch numbers because we are the size of 1 state of the german Bundesrepublik. even though our countries are perfectly comparable.
2019-05-24 14:53
For me, you are right in this discussion. Fuck lazy cunts
2019-05-24 14:58
#106
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United States Trump2020KAG 
That’s my biggest point. If I seen u on the street I wouldn’t give u 50$ so why would I want my taxes raised.
2019-05-24 14:59
true
2019-05-24 15:00
there is no section for the netherlands there but i can look up our numbers if you want.
2019-05-24 13:31
#98
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Lithuania AvaIon 
Would be really interesting if u did m8
2019-05-24 13:42
rijksoverheid.nl/binaries/rijksoverheid/.. in 2017 our GDP was 825 billion euro, govt spent approx. 200 billion euro on social programs like healthcare and unemployment benefits and education so thats a little under 25%
2019-05-24 15:00
#100
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United States Trump2020KAG 
U don’t have to but I would bet the per cap numbers for people who work and pay taxes are a lot higher then what it is for America.
2019-05-24 14:48
well yeah but we count women who work 16-20 hours a week as much as fulltime employees in the statistics to look good.
2019-05-24 15:00
When I was in the US I payed 4k for healthcare. Hear in Canada I pay 20k yeah nice try
2019-05-23 21:22
in holland we pay 100 euro per month and if you cant afford it the government subsidizes it for like 80%. maybe you canadians should take a look at how we do things over here, eh?
2019-05-24 09:44
So it is not free? Thanks for telling me something I already know
2019-05-24 19:19
#18
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United States gtmaniacmda 
1/8
2019-05-23 21:31
paying 1k a month for nothing ?
2019-05-23 22:17
meh. P.S, universal healthcare will eventually come to USA, its inevitable and is something this country needs. Paying thousands just for healthcare? yeah no fucking thanks for me.
2019-05-23 21:41
You would be paying a ton more just sayin
2019-05-23 21:41
I simply want this current healthcare system to go, its fucking terrible.
2019-05-23 21:42
explain
2019-05-23 21:42
And dont give that boths sides wont do crap crap
2019-05-23 21:43
What's the point of paying thousands just for healthcare? I could be using that money on shit like rent. And people aren't even worried about their condition, they're worried about the cost. One injury and they could basically end up going broke/bankrupt just because of the high cost. Like why should I pay thousands just for something so simple, its just fucking greedy in my POV.
2019-05-23 21:48
word
2019-05-24 00:53
What's the point of paying thousands just for rent? I could be using that money on shit like food and electronics and plastic crap. And people aren't even worried about their living conditions, they're worried about the cost. One eviction and they could basically end up going broke/bankrupt just because of the high cost of finding a new apartment and moving and losing your job because youre sleeping in your car. Like why should I pay thousands just for something so simple, its just fucking greedy in my POV.
2019-05-24 09:39
no, people in the USA pay more for the same healthcare than in any organized system like Finland or UK or NL or Canada has. surprisingly, leaving it up to individual hospitals to set prices and leaving it up to individual people to be insured, leads to a lot of efficiency loss compared to doing these things centrally and making them mandatory.
2019-05-24 09:42
healthcare is useless. if u have a cold sip on ginger honey tea, if u have depression smoke some weed, its all poison made to make u addicted. but natural remedies are 10x better. the only ppl in pharmacy that are good are actual doctors who fix when u have broken leg for the rest all bullshit.
2019-05-23 21:43
exactly what my dog would say if it could speak.
2019-05-23 22:13
#50
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Australia Ohnorepo 
My Diabetes and Coeliac disease would like a word with you. My sisters chronic asthma, my friends failing kidneys, and my friend who attempted suicide multiple times before being medicated would too.
2019-05-23 22:37
pretty sure this are diseases that can be cured just by changing a diet and special herbs.. my dad cured his whole arthritis just from stopping grains for 2 months and more green vegs.
2019-05-24 11:49
#73
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Australia Ohnorepo 
I have type 1 diabetes. It's incurable. Type 2 is easily controlled with diet, sure. I require medicine though. Even on a completely carb free diet, without insulin, I am hospitalized in days. My friends failing kidneys are due to an autoimmune condition that destroys her kidneys. There is no herb or diet that fixes a flawed immune system. Only immunosuppressant. My sister has certainly helped her asthma with a changed diet, but it can never be cured.
2019-05-24 12:16
how tf is not dying of a fever useless my friend?
2019-05-24 11:49
if you study a little bit anatomy you will notice that fever is just a self healing mechanism of your body to get rid of parasites, cuz they dont like the heat.
2019-05-24 12:02
#74
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Yeah exactly. I think he is talking about the cause of a fever though. Like a fungal kidney infection. Something that requires anti fungal antibiotics or it will kill you.
2019-05-24 12:17
fungals mostly die when u fast and dont feed them, so they starve to death and u just shit them out at one point. its easy. our body would need no medicine just time medicine kinda fastens it but also it makes it worse cuz some of it is really bad for our gut. fasting fix ur immune system and restores some cells which medicine cant do.
2019-05-24 12:22
#82
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Australia Ohnorepo 
Homeopathic medicine can help with things such as cystitis, but are useless for someone with say, Type 1 Diabetes like myself. Who can't fast for more than 12 hours. Unless hooked up to an IV of glucose, and an insulin drip. A fungal infection can cause a blockage that requires a stent in less than 24 hours. A fast will not help that.
2019-05-24 12:49
#29
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Australia Ohnorepo 
One of the few things Australia has right.
2019-05-23 21:43
damn right
2019-05-23 22:18
#62
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
Well, UHC cannot work without “free” education. Medical staff in general have to sink quite a huge amount of money in their studies. (Like any other university attendant) There would be much lower incentive to attend a medical school for people if their future job would be regulated and as such their future possibilities to make money would be much lower. I cannot see this happening any time soon.
2019-05-24 10:01
medical schools in europe are all basically full every year
2019-05-24 11:47
#78
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
Because you don’t have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on your education during almost a decade. What would be the incentive for young Americans to spend similar amount of resources on their education if their future possibilities would be much smaller (economic-wise) than those of engineers, marketing people etc. ? Ofc. there would be still a few people willing to accept this road, but lot of people who go to study medicine now would rather go to study economics or IT just because there wouldn’t be good enough incentive for them to go to a field which is regulated by the government and as such isn’t as lucrative as fields with free-market system.
2019-05-24 12:32
well see if you realize that public medicine is good to have as a country, then publicly funded education for your doctors is the logical next step...
2019-05-24 12:33
and btw doctors here still make good money, especially surgeons, because they organize themselves as small businesses that sell a service to the hospital, they are not directly employed by the hospital. if you can stand to spend like 10 years in medical college, its actually a relatively easy way to get rich. but the hours are shit and youre always on call. like airline pilots. and theres all the blood. i prefer IT.
2019-05-24 12:36
#83
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
By transferring health care to UHC model the amount of money in the system would inevitably decrease by quite a substantial amount. (You can find these calculations on the internet.) Not because it’s bad etc. ... but because of the dynamic of free-market/government services transfer. ... A surgeon (average ... median) in UHC system would make substantially less than before and less than a person in unregulated field. ... As I mentioned before, without change of US educational system UHC is not feasible and the change alone is almost impossible in the society like US have. ... I am not against UHC per se, but I cannot see an easy way how to make it work in contemporary US society.
2019-05-24 12:51
simple: Trump signs a decree, and it will be done.
2019-05-24 12:52
#86
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
This change would require quite a few changes in the law system. President cannot do anything in this regard. It’s up to consensus of Senate and Congress to do so and that’s the “almost impossible” I was talking about.
2019-05-24 12:57
when republicans have majority in houses and they have the president, they have shown to be quite capable of making big changes. its the democrats who cant get shit done. the republicans just do the wrong things.
2019-05-24 12:59
#89
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
Nor Republicans or Democrats are overly homogeneous in their approach to the lawmaking. It’s really about the society as a whole. Since Nixon’s administration anything that is even slightly “socialistic” is viewed as a grave danger for American way of life. And people who hold sincerely this belief can be seen in both camps. ... Ofc. there is higher degree of conservatives amongst Reps, but even Dems would have hard time to make a huge part of their electorate to accept changes like this without risking their re-election.
2019-05-24 13:08
funny because many of nixons policies would be called socialist today but yeah thats true. i think the democrats are almost ready for bringing back some socialist perspective...they might try 1 more time but they will have to admit that being corporate party light doesnt give them great success. we will see during the preliminary election which candidate the democratic party superdelegate cartel will support
2019-05-24 13:09
#93
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
Let’s be honest if AOC and Sanders are the best Blues are able to produce in regards to Socialistic viewpoint, then I am quite not sure if US have any chance to change something in foreseeable future. Although I don’t like FDR and his policies as a whole, I cannot see the systematic change without someone like him.
2019-05-24 13:16
i dont think there is any room for great statesmen in the 21st century in any western country. theyd get shot in a week.
2019-05-24 13:19
the problem modern doctors want to heal the body but the problem is they don'T try to heal the spirit and the mind, cuz most of the shit starts in the mind.
2019-05-24 11:50
#104
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France TheArchitect 
That's why a lot of doctors take time to talk with people and to hear their complain. A lot of them will tell that just by letting the patient talking about what's going wrong, he already feels better. Most of the consultation end up with a small painkiller prescription, because most of people heal themselves automatically anyway, and this way they feel like they have been heared and we're taking care of them, so they immediatly start to feel better.
2019-05-24 14:57
#80
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Netherlands Im_gaaayyy 
How can it be cheaper than the premiums you pay if everything is paid for out of taxes raised upon the people???
2019-05-24 12:34
i think he meant cheaper than premiums you pay for private insurance
2019-05-24 13:00
#110
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France TheArchitect 
On an average american citizens spend $8700/year on healthcare, while all other OECD nations spend less than $6000/year/citizen. (2015, sources : United Nations, OECD.stat, oxford university) Also at the same time, all other OECD nations have a longer life expectancy (79 for the US, 81 to 84 for OECD countries). The main difference is that the State isn't trying to make profits out of healthcare, the money is entirely dedicated to quality and access to the service, and if there's a surplus, it goes into improving/developping other public services (education, police, infrastructures, housing, ...) or into tax reduction. In a privatized system it's just another business, where, as a business man, you try to make profits so the surplus of money is going to shareholders instead of being re-invested or price reductions. You're no longer a patient, but a customer.
2019-05-24 15:07
dont tell them that, they might have to change their opinions
2019-05-24 14:52
Do a few years of service easy tricare (Americans)
2019-05-24 15:49
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