After reading your previous comments in this thread, you have proven yourself to not even be worthy of a debate. "Interesting you dont consider liquid the favorites against a team outside the top 10..." because a lower ranked team can't be be favored to win after going 2-0 against the same team earlier...Better yet a lower ranked team that is on a very quick rise in ranking and playing like like a team worthy of top 7-8 minimum. "Id put them bottom top 10 though. and in that case, if liquid isnt favored in a matchup against them, they should be lower in the rankings, at least 4. I dont understand why you are so desperate to say that liquid should lose that matchup. Clearly it would be smarter to face up to actual issues so that you can look to solve them. I dont think they are hard chokers like astralis were, but they have a confidence issue. They just dont look like theyre gonna fuck people up. With their skill they should be contending for top1 right now, not worrying about losing to vitality." In case you've missed the last half a year, Liquid have been in contention with Astralis, just unable to get there aside from one or you match-ups. Not to mention Astralis lost to ENCE just the same as Liquid lost to a lower ranked team. Granted the rank difference was more vast, but for a team like Astralis to be so dominant against all other tier 1 teams, that's just silly, isn't it? Or does your logic only work for your arguments and not other peoples? Plus you're a fan of a team that loses to AVANGAR and Valiance, while having players that should easily be winning against lesser teams...But yet again...That argument only works when it suits you...You're not quite in a position to spew ignorant criticism when you have such a narrow view on the competitive scene.