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climat change is the new dogma
ZywOo | 
Germany rektalalchemist 
in the middle ages, the church told the people they have to do this or that or theyll go to hell. people freed themselves basically through luther and the age of enlightenment. I thought we were passed the system of beliefs. but, sadly, it looks like people need something to believe in. now its the climate change. the green leftists now play the part of the priest, admonishing the people with the finger up in the sky: if you dont pay co2 taxes, if you dont listen to our every demand, nature will be doomed and us too. and their solution: ending nuclear energy, the only way right now to really ensure power supply without emissions. it is hilarious. this is whats gonna happen. cost of energy will go through the roof, with that, poverty will come and people will start to not give a fuck anymore (a hungry man has no conscience). europa will look like fucking africa II in 50 years. my grandkids will ask: why didnt you guys do anything when leftism took over. and all I will be able to answer is: there were too many dumb fucks. Im so sorry my dear.
2019-05-27 10:09
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2019-05-27 10:09
#39
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France OtelloO 
The difference between the Church and climate change is that CC is documented. Also we're not talking about something hypothetical that is going to happen soon, because it's already happening. Working in that field I can tell you that the more we wait to make our cities/territories resilient the more expensive it will be. We're already counting in hundred of billions of € to undermine the effects, soon we will be counting in thousands of billions. If no hard mitigation measure is taken we will face a total switch in our agriculture, landscapes, industry, and way of life. No matter what you do, no matter what you believe or want, our way of life is going to change. Anticipating and fighting climate change is a way to make the fall softer.
2019-05-27 12:20
how can i pin a comment on a thread
2019-05-27 12:34
#65
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Other xrist 
+1
2019-05-27 13:05
+1
2019-05-27 13:15
#85
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Hungary hardrise 
+1
2019-05-27 13:37
#119
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Latvia Matematikis 
Do you think climate change will be reversable? The more i listen to people that worry about climate change, the more it sounds like the "peak oil" thing, where people thought oil will end, but as it turns out technologies advanced and it became cheaper to dig oil, so we could dig deeper. I am not saying we should intentionally polute earth, but it seems unlikely that we will not be able to reverse climate change in 30 years time.
2019-05-27 15:07
#143
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France OtelloO 
Reversing climate change ? It would mean climate stability, something that, in long term, doesn't really exist. But if you're talking about reversing the human impact on climate change the answer is yes, but we're not able to do so. It would require trillions of dollars of investment in climate mitigation, super strict regulation and a major hard shift in our way to live. Even if I'm environmentalist, I wouldn't want something like that happening. At best, in a reasonable way, we can take some mitigation measures and plans to avoid the collapsing of human societies before the beginning of the XXII century. But as we know now that if we don't make major investments and take drastic measures in the next few years we're kind of doomed, we're switching our planning interest in adapating our societies and cities to climate change instead of fighting it directly. We're still mitigating (except in some countries/places), but as we know that it's too late and it's already starting, we're adapting so we can protect as much as we can our economy, socities, landscapes, ... In Europe most of the adaptation measures are linked to water, either water scarcity or floodings depending on the place. The last massive investor in mitigation is China. The Chinese policies are full of controversy, for decades they polluted like there's no tomorrow, and now it's been 3 years they're investing hundreds of billions of dollars every year in climate mitigation. On the other hand they're now a bit late in adaptation and we see more and more climate-related problems in Chinese cities.
2019-05-27 17:01
good read
2019-05-27 22:06
#195
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Latvia Matematikis 
I am no expert on climate change, but you say it would cost trillions of dollars, thats for current technologies, but are you taking in account the almost certain advancments in technology? Maybe we can not only survive climate change but thrive because of it. Sure, i even agree that we should fight climate change, but the real question is whether or not climate change is a big deal, it is scary to believe in ourselfes that we will be able to discover, create new technologies, that help us with climate change, but i am willing to bet that we will. Why spend trillions now if we can spend millions years from now.
2019-05-28 09:40
#199
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France OtelloO 
Of course technologies are going to improve and make some things easier. As everytime a human society/civilization faced a big challenge, people found very innovative solutions to solve problems. But still the increase of technologies is not that fast yet. Maybe when the situation will be really dramatic, lowering our life-span and hardly damaging our quality of life yes we might see a massive increase of innovation and technology advencement, ... except if society collapses and wars (also civil wars), conflicts, ressource scarcity, etc ... slows research down. If we manage to find and keep some kind of relative peace around the globe, and put efforts all together in looking for solutions we can achieve great things and make climate change less threatening.
2019-05-28 18:50
+1
2019-05-27 16:26
#149
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Sweden osty17 
+1
2019-05-27 17:59
+1 most intelligent comment ive seen on this website in a long time
2019-05-27 19:27
fill the room with the juice!
2019-05-27 10:12
#3
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
"ending nuclear energy" you mean coal? "poverty will come" poverty already exists "my grandkids will ask" you will never have grandkids because natural selection 0/8
2019-05-27 10:12
actually I already have a child. no I dont mean coal. I mean nuclear energy. look at germany. poverty will get worse.
2019-05-27 10:13
#6
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
go take care of your kid instead of posting dumb shit on a csgo website
2019-05-27 10:14
im taking care of my kid you shithead. :)
2019-05-27 10:14
#9
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
0/8
2019-05-27 10:15
zErO oUt oF EiGhT use your own brain for one second you leftist cunt.
2019-05-27 10:16
#13
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
cya in 10 days mad boi
2019-05-27 10:19
you are infantile manchild. but you will learn too.
2019-05-27 10:22
#23
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
haha ty
2019-05-27 10:24
#16
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Malta Trance_Lover 
youre a fucking idiot
2019-05-27 10:19
#18
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
haha ty
2019-05-27 10:20
so poor
2019-05-27 13:00
Poverty Does Not Exist, You Have Been Brainwashed By The Media
2019-05-27 14:17
#115
dupreeh | 
Albania Rawii 
Yeah honestly dont understand why homeless people just dont get a house Just get a house 4head
2019-05-27 15:00
Just Get Money 4Head LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
2019-05-27 15:02
lul kids in africa "STARVING" like just fucking eat losers
2019-05-27 19:28
Lul taking what he said out of context omega
2019-05-27 16:14
Nuclear power is one of the best things we have, only a moron would think the opposite. Coal power plants however is not good for the enviroment.
2019-05-27 17:56
#154
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
ah yes putting millions of lives at risk is one of the best things we have
2019-05-27 19:01
#155
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Switzerland hanniba1fade 
its only risky if dumb people design the power plants
2019-05-27 19:05
#156
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
do i even respond to this?? i guess... well, people are dumb. it's a fact of life. and even if the plants are well-designed, accidents happen. another fact of life.
2019-05-27 19:06
When was the last time a nuclear accident happend? Fukushima 2011.. Accidents happens but historically its not that common tbh. If they are designed and built well they last for decades and produce a shit ton of power, while being a good option for the climate.
2019-05-27 19:19
#190
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
and china is building dozens of low-quality nuclear plants, filled with unskilled workers. but they don't care about their citizens anyway
2019-05-28 04:42
China doesnt give a fuck about anything, well maybe being a super nation that exports alot but thats about it. They dont care about their co2 emissions, hence why they burn coal like never before, the air is so contaminated in some parts of china ppl die, get sick/cancer etc. We can stop driving fossil driven vehilces all we want in West, but it doesnt fucking matter when we have china, india, all 3rd world countries etc, its a fucking piss in the ocean.
2019-05-28 06:20
#192
Jame | 
Israel uffiez 
actually, china is the global leader for renewable energy production..
2019-05-28 06:29
Maybe but they still have the highest co2 emissions by far. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie..
2019-05-28 17:30
You really sound ignorant, you know.
2019-05-27 10:17
if you say so. dont believe everything you read. things are not as obvious as they seem. the industry behind this and the possiblity of making money through fear is immense.
2019-05-27 10:20
#49
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Finland gangHIZER 
Yes lets ignore SCIENTIFIC FACT because big men suit are trying to rip us all off. Look into coal coal industry and oil in the middle east if you want to see the fucked up shit.
2019-05-27 12:38
A climate scientist can quadruple his paycheck by lying and shilling for oil companies instead. The money is not in telling the truth about the proven effects that man has on co2 in the atmosphere and the effects the co2 has on climate.
2019-05-27 12:39
the money is on both sides. dont be fooled.
2019-05-27 13:01
#117
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Canada Matomoto 
Your intuition is clearly much more reliable than the countless credible, backed sources and claims provided strictly against what you are saying
2019-05-27 15:04
#61
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Other xrist 
+1
2019-05-27 13:03
I don't believe anything I read. But now you're saying that it's a conspiracy between people manufacturing electric cars, bicycles and plant based food? Just to make more money? Climate change is a fact, and we're not even trying to stop it. I agree with you that climate change is constant and we don't know exactly how much we can do to help it as a species, but a start is to stop producing more cars, stop flying as often as we do now, stop the over production of beef, and stop slaughtering the forest.
2019-05-27 12:59
#150
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Slovakia twat 
ok I won't believe what you've just said
2019-05-27 18:03
Climate change is not an opinion. It's a fact.
2019-05-27 10:18
of its a fact. climate change is constant, as it always has been. the question is: how big is our influence.
2019-05-27 10:19
Well, you can measure it by how rapid the temperature growths are to statistics a hundred years back or even more. It's clear that mankind has even more accelerated it to a point it's soon unsustainable for us. I believe it would be so even without mankind, but it would come at least a century later and we'd have time to adapt. I agree you have points on that people are just panicking about bullshit and people who have no real grasp of the matter are pointing fingers and calling names but the truth is that there are some aspects that should be supported (like greener energy and ways of travel that are less polluting). It's also a fact that we don't need this capitalist rat race what our society is currently built upon and instead we could focus on common wealth. Obviously, if you do more stuff then the next guy you probably should accumulate more stuff but there's a disparity created where you really rarely get what you actually deserve.
2019-05-27 10:44
#32
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New Zealand badwithnamesS 
I agree with you that ending nuclear energy is fucking stupid, but if you think humans have almost no effect on climate change just think of ozone layer depletion. Pretty well documented on the causes and effects of them on the world. A global temperature rise of 1 degree isnt even as big as 5% extra greenhouse effect, it only needs to be a little bit smaller to stack up and the collective human race is 100% capable. If every fossil fuel energy source stopped tomorrow and major deforestation stopped there wouldn't be a crisis, but that's just not realistic and anyone who thinks it's possible should be ignored
2019-05-27 10:49
interesting that you bring up the ozone layer or ozone hole. regarding FCKW there has been an article in the magazine "nature" in the 90s, which completely destroyed that concept. problem is: no one was interested in it and so the lies keep on growing. once a lie or lets rather say misconception gets big enough it is REALLY hard to stop that train. why is that? careers. people's careers are on the line so they will fight with their claws to defend it. I am very sceptical of this whole concept. and the more I get pushed by society and the media the more sceptical I become. why? because if everything was as crystal clear then why all this hate towards people who think differently? they are scared.
2019-05-27 12:13
link to the article please?
2019-05-27 12:22
he wont
2019-05-27 13:06
Why the fuck would you even care about an article from at least fucking 20 YEARS AGO?
2019-05-27 19:17
cause he based his argument on it. Also hes the first one to tell us that we shouldnt believe everything we read, thats why im asking for sources ^^
2019-05-28 17:49
But frankly, an article from the 90s that would be highly controversial nowadays doesnt hold ANY water (not even a little which is apparently your position), so I wouldnt even care about that source and rather confront him why he has to use such shitty sources both quantitatively (one) and qualitatively (from the 90s) which is what I did in #161.
2019-05-28 18:43
Either he gives me a source and then i can discredit it with what you just said, or he cant give me a source and his whole argument is invalid, so why wouldnt i ask for a source? Since he didnt answer me, i guess he realized that it was a stupid argument to make, so i achieved what i wanted. And wether its still relevant or not, if you refer to someone/something, you have to be able to give a source. Its just a basic principle of arguments. Furthermore, i was quite interested in reading that paper.
2019-05-30 01:35
Ok, I just kinda think its an unnecessary step...
2019-05-30 08:45
#145
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United Kingdom XNL 
How big is your tinfoil hat and where did you get it?
2019-05-27 17:49
tinfoil store.
2019-05-27 18:07
How about you post a couple hundred articles from lets say 2015 onwards instead of ONE from the fucking 90S
2019-05-27 19:18
The ozone layer is only one example of many. Over the 1000's of years human civilisation has been more than a hunter-gatherer tribe we've consistently gone out of our way to drastically alter and destroy native life. I don't care for listing examples of species gone extinct or invasive species wrecking havoc either. Within that entire span the population of humans has been minuscule, the technology they held was an even lesser comparison. You believing that we, as an entire species, aren't capable of sparking a change in the planet is just looking down on the entire human race. You see, I get your point of view. I agree with you that there are too many fanatical people spouting terror in the name of environmentalism. But unfortunately that's just another perk of being human, we're all different, for better or for worse. Just because someone feels like all criminals should be hanged doesn't mean criminals should be let free
2019-05-29 19:41
Good post, interesting view, thanks for your input
2019-05-29 20:27
There are only 2 genders. It's a fact too.
2019-05-27 10:19
+ FUCKING EINS
2019-05-27 10:21
gender is a social construct and not based on biology, you can be against that a thing like gender exists, but as a social construct that gender is, there can be as many different ones as you want.
2019-05-27 13:05
+ FUCKING EINS
2019-05-27 13:40
Amazin! What is the German word for 'gender'? And what is the German word for 'sex'? Oh, it's the same thing! Oh snap!
2019-05-27 15:07
so umfahren is the same as umfahren aswell, nice logic, just because it is the same word it can have two different definitions, meanings
2019-05-27 15:16
#181
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Latvia BionicRick 
You know they changed the definition of gender to fit the leftist narrative, right? In 1970s feminists pushed gender to be more of a "social construct" because males and females were expected to behave differently. Nowadays people use this awful definition to change gender as often as they please.
2019-05-27 20:08
#200
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Latvia BionicRick 
>In some English literature, there is also a trichotomy between biological sex, psychological gender, and social gender role. This framework first appeared in a feminist paper on transsexualism in 1978. Thanks for proving my point, I guess?
2019-05-28 22:47
Just because it was Made by a feminist, which isnt what Feminism is right now Most likely ,in 1978, doesnt mean that it is wrong. Gender is a word for your psychological gender and it wasnt covered before. What does say that it is wrong.
2019-05-28 22:55
Geschlecht Sexuelle Orientierung (or, in a different context, Geschlechtsverkehr) ?
2019-05-27 16:11
Isnt it more "gender identification" than "sexual orientation"?
2019-05-27 19:19
#146
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United Kingdom XNL 
Ever wondered why you passport says sex and not gender?
2019-05-27 17:53
just live in the now and u have nothing to lose, u should have already in the mind that one day it all ends and that nothing u have nothing u worked will actually matter. so be brave.
2019-05-27 10:32
#26
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
spreding the truth men))) whole climate movement is the spawn of hippy neoprotestant doomsday cults that somehow stuck around
2019-05-27 10:35
Is Fake
2019-05-27 10:39
#28
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Wow you are delusional as fuck.. wtf are you smoking?
2019-05-27 10:39
ofc climate change is real but they make it like it will wipe us off the planet in 30 years if we don'T spent fkin trillion dollars on changing the things. this is just one step closer to their technological dystopia ruled by AI.
2019-05-27 10:52
Im actually not delusional at all. Im just observing my surroundings carefully.. you should too.
2019-05-27 12:17
#152
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Canada ProvexPyker 
Yeah go on denying 99% of scientists, why do we even have scientists in this day and age? Just follow your feelings believing in that 1%, that was proven wrong, just to feel more edgy. Delusional af, controll yourself bro, cut back a bit on whatever you've been smoking
2019-05-27 18:14
W/e I just play Dragon's dogma instead and forget about it.
2019-05-27 10:42
Nothing to see here folks, just another science-rejecting imbecile, in the same boat as flat-earthers and holocaust-deniers.
2019-05-27 10:46
so what did science prove? 30 years ago they said already the climate 100 years ago was changing ofc it changes faster now they use it to grow fear, cuz what fear does is keeps u in control. the church worked like this, everything works like this. what does a bully fear the most? u standing up to him but with spreading this shit ton of fear it will never happen.
2019-05-27 10:55
science proved that global warming is humanmade! Comparing religious beliefs to scientific facts is just retarded. And who tf are "they" supposed to be?
2019-05-27 13:34
www.skepticalscience.com Its about the rate at which it is changing, not whether it is changing.
2019-05-27 19:20
hilarious. do you know what people in the 70s and 80s thought? THE ICE TIME IS COMING. everyone and their mother was scared of the cold times. now? everyone is laughing at them. dude, in 40 years everyone will laugh their asses off about these retarded tinfoil climate sociopaths. I really hope you will learn that some day and maybe think back fo me, the imbecile on hltv.
2019-05-27 12:16
there is another ice age coming, that is also going to be a big issue somewhere in the coming couple thousand years. but global warming is a problem right now. a lot of people are going to die because of it. if youre too retarded to understand the difference between proper scientific studies, and tinfoil hat conspiracies, i hope you will be one of those people. have a nice day mate. you havent got that many left.
2019-05-27 12:20
"lot of people are going to die because of it. " NICE
2019-05-27 12:26
someone should come by your house and bash your fucking head in you mongrel. youre worth less than a dog. piece of shit human being.
2019-05-27 12:31
how nice of you. typical leftist i guess
2019-05-27 12:33
shut up and lay at my boots, dog.
2019-05-27 12:35
solid +1 on this one
2019-05-27 12:36
sure kid. I bet you didnt even read one paper yourself, you rehashing leftist moron. lmao.
2019-05-27 13:04
youre gonna need a bigger bait
2019-05-27 13:04
Not baiting. I mean this. :)
2019-05-27 13:12
in that case: shut the fuck up, and go have a nice wank. do what youre good at while the grownups are saving your ass. fucking kid.
2019-05-27 13:13
Typical leftist moron. That’s called the self-assuredness of the ignorant. ;)
2019-05-27 13:32
no u
2019-05-27 13:47
Hi, You obviously don't know much about this, so I will try to clarify some things. 1- Climate changes and global warming is a fact. You can find evidence easily online or listen some of the world best scientist in the area. Weather is changing at a much faster rate then 100 years ago. 2 - The main question is how much does CO2 emission from humans impact those changes. Scientist are mostly saying it is affecting it, but they need more concrete proof. 3 - You need scientific approach to determine that. Science works like this ( oversimplified ): - made a postulate - measure data - make a conclusion 4 - The only way you can measure data is to drop/lower CO2 emissions for a year or two and measure if the changes are the same, larger or smaller. If we do this we can have a final proof about the issue. 5 - If CO2 really impacts climate changes, we can act upon it. The main problem is that world powers are earning huge amount of money from current energy sources so they will do everything in their power to ridicule climate changes, and oppose it strongly. PS I am someone who is oriented more to the "right", and mostly oppose global justice warriors, but I trust science, and they are probably right about this issue.
2019-05-27 12:31
spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/klimaforsc.. skepticalscience.com/arg_Eiszeit-Vorhers.. That just shows why its bad to believe everything what media says, but denying the actual science behind it is just stupid.
2019-05-27 13:58
No point in arguing against, them, it's like arguing against conspiracy theorists, holocaust deniers and flat earthers. Most of their argument is "In the future x will happen and I will be like 'see? I told you!' "
2019-05-27 14:23
2019-05-27 19:21
Whatever dude. Where I live, during the summers the temperature would reach 37º. In the last 10 years it easily reaches 44º/45º. What do you call this?
2019-05-27 12:41
last 4 years were the hottest since we started the measurements, bUt ClIMaTe ChAnGe isnt real of course, just deny it get us killed, thank you stupid people.
2019-05-27 13:03
Dude, this is anecdotal evidence.. where I live it snowed in May. I have NEVER seen that in Mymensingh life.. so?
2019-05-27 13:33
climate change leads to more extreme weather and an overall increase in temeperature :)
2019-05-27 14:01
#148
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United Kingdom XNL 
2019-05-27 17:59
when i was a kid you could see the stars from my backyard and you could skate on the lakes in winter.
2019-05-27 13:13
FeelsBadMan
2019-05-27 13:24
#55
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United Kingdom F_ANG 
Renewable energy is quickly becoming the cheapest form of energy generation, solar is already the cheapest and wind is cheaper that nuclear. If we have the capacity to change our energy sources to greener methods then why not? Yes it costs money but isn't it worth it in the long run to maintain a sustainable climate and save potentially billions of human and animal lives? And if you're skeptical about how much damage we're doing to our climate, in the last century global temperatures have risen by 1 degree, that might not seem much. But considering the during the last ice age around 12,000 years ago the planet was only around 5 degrees cooler than what it is now you can see the damage that modern civilisation has caused. What may seem like a small insignificant change to you and CC deniers, actually has a massive effect on our planet.
2019-05-27 13:01
LOL you cant be serious. Are you stupid?
2019-05-27 13:33
While this is (half) true, you're forgetting about the possibility for advancement. Nuclear energy is wayyyyy more promising an offer for future advancement than anything else available right now. Also wind is only cheap is large flat stretches kinda like how hydro is only cheap on coasts. Or how solar is only cheap inland. Nuclear is universally cheap
2019-05-27 16:27
#177
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United Kingdom F_ANG 
I'm not against Nuclear energy, I was just pointing out that renewable energy isn't as expensive or ineffective as people may think. But i think we should be moving away from fossil fuels.
2019-05-27 20:00
99.3 percent of scientists say the human made climate change exists and is big, the other 0.7 percent come from academies and universities with a low reputation
2019-05-27 13:01
the other 0.7% are paid by the oil industry***
2019-05-27 13:14
Bad bait attempt. beliefs and facts are not the same thing.
2019-05-27 13:01
for some people their own thoughts are more important than science, sadly
2019-05-27 13:04
#68
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Other xrist 
Big ego paired with a smooth brain
2019-05-27 13:06
#59
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Other xrist 
Climate chanage denial is like being against vaccination
2019-05-27 13:01
its worse because at least the ppl who dont vaccinate, deluded as they are, do it for their children. climate deniers are just pussies who cant face the truth that humans fuck up this planet and we will be made to pay for it. they dont act out of love but just fear.
2019-05-27 13:06
#97
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Finland 0lter 
Haha What you gonna do about this climate change then Still driving your car still going on plane trips might as well not care about it Besides the human affect on climate change isnt confirmed to this day could be 0.25 or 1.5 C if any
2019-05-27 14:13
dont own a car and my last plane flight was when i was a kid forced into going on vacation with my parents, please try again. human effect on climate change is 2+ degrees even if we would reduce greenhouse gas emission by 100% today. every projection so far has been way too optimistic and they are changed to something worse every few years. glaciers and polar caps are melting faster than projected. ocean heating up faster than projected. weather patterns changing faster than projected.
2019-05-27 14:18
#106
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Finland 0lter 
Lmao no fact to support that 2+ degree claim
2019-05-27 14:50
i dont need to do your homework for you.
2019-05-27 14:50
#108
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Finland 0lter 
Ive done my homework and the ipcc estimate is 1.5 and even that is arguable so you are full of shit
2019-05-27 14:51
and have you looked up how frequently they have adjusted the estimate to be more pessimistic in the past 20 years?
2019-05-27 14:51
#111
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Finland 0lter 
So your basis of trusting them to place it higher is the fact even they have no idea what is going to happen? hahaha These are the people pushing climate change and they have no idea wtf is going to happen That is worth ruining the lives of billions btw
2019-05-27 14:54
they are extrapolating current trends. thats how they arrive at their predictions. so when they make their prediction more negative regularly, you know the trend is also getting worse. the process is accelerating.
2019-05-27 14:55
As OP said, I think a lot of people don't like the dogmatic aspect of how climate politics are discussed. I immediately get suspicious around stuff that i HAVE to believe in. Even without any firsthand knowledge, my first instinct is not to blindly trust authority. So when someone calls someone a "denier" whether it be the holocaust, climate or what have you, that in itself is suspicious and tells me that their position is so weak that they need to denounce people who don't immediately agree with them. Honestly though, the establishment did this to itself. Being shady enough to create a culture of distrust, and then profiting from it by creating counter culture that feeds it. Example: I grew up playing games like FF7 where you are the terrorist and the big corporation is an evil, manipulative propaganda machine.
2019-05-27 16:38
okay, so, some professor or whatever once said, idk if it was in one of my classes or on some tv show, but it was an actual professor, and he said there is a higher % of scientists who agree on global warming than there are scientists that agree that gravity exists. just to illustrate the amount of consensus on this topic. unfortunately unless you study math and statistics and climate science and biology and a ton of other shit which is basically not feasible in one lifetime you cannot simply gather your own facts about the changing climate. even the people involved in climate research couldnt do all of that work alone. they have to trust each other. saying that these scientists, not big evil oil companies or evil governments, but people who dedicate their lives to academia who have to make due with modest wages, are all conspiring to create this global warming myth, is a staggering claim. why would they be doing this? if they wanted money they could work for an oil company and get paid to write that climate change isnt happening. no need for any conspiracy. for me, it is very easy to believe that they are saying what they believe is the truth and its the oil companies and trump that are lying about it.
2019-05-27 16:44
I don't disagree with anything you're saying, I just don't know who to trust anymore. I love science but it can be abused like everything else. You can't deny that the globe is warming, but to what degree are we responsible and what can we do about it. This is where moneyed interests come in, and the whole thing degenerates. Good, upstanding scientists told the world fat was bad and carbs were good. They were wrong, and sugar companies profited massively from it. People died and coca cola grew. It's hard to separate the selfish, greedy people from the honest academics these days.
2019-05-27 16:52
the al gore graphs conclusively show that humans are the major holder of responsibility for current climate change.
2019-05-27 16:53
Al Gore. Perfect example of a person that I don't trust. He used environmentalism as a tool to become more relevant politically. He flies private jets and has multiple large homes so he obviously doesn't give a fuck about the environment either.
2019-05-27 16:58
well tbh if i were him i would have stopped giving a fuck as well. he tried to save the world and his whole country laughed at him. so fuck it. let them all die in a fucking tropical hurricane. apres nous le deluge. he has no chance of changing anything alone. still, he might just have done enough by himself to slightly accelerate the process of going green. comparing that to the carbon output of a few houses and airplanes...his net contribution to the climate is still sizable.
2019-05-27 17:01
You say this as if you know. I think we have slightly different philosophies concerning what we know and don't know in this world. If you are right, and all these virtuous, goodhearted politicians are trying to save us, then you can poke me for an apology in a couple decades. But if this is just another ploy for power and an attempt to divide people and distract them from more important issues, I'll be expecting one from you. I accept the possibility that you're right.
2019-05-27 17:06
#207
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Other xrist 
+1
2019-05-30 03:12
#70
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Finland Jodecast 
beliefs and facts are not the same thing dumb kid
2019-05-27 13:07
#76
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Vietnam rollofocker 
it seems like your arguing against common sense, if you'd see the chain of supply in this global economy a lot of things don't make sense and are just pure waste of resources. that's also true for civilians which can take a train which is 1 day longer or take ryanair at an incredible low price not taking into account any of the pollution. nuclear energy needs to be reduced if there are alternatives with fewer side-effects. and that's a big if. i doubt states would ever dismantle nuclear power given the massive energy yields but for the bulk of the economy alternatives can be invested in which will only become cheaper and more importantly decentralized so that as a citizen you have more autonomy. i agree that fear of climate change and societal collapse can be abused by some people and there are definitely people out there who are gullible enough to endorse a global tyranny that will save the climate. like a lot of people are now unironically questioning whether it's okay to slay half the population just in order to save the planet because of that hack endgame movie. fear cannot take over ever, it always leads to bad things, but that shouldn't discount common sense either.
2019-05-27 13:21
tldr
2019-05-27 13:22
Anyone who believes that climate change is a problem should be a vegan, because that's the biggest impact you can have on the environment as a single person. There you go peeps, you go first ;)
2019-05-27 14:00
#92
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Finland fromtheair 
Actually it is house and commute.
2019-05-27 14:07
No, it's not.
2019-05-27 14:07
#94
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Finland fromtheair 
Yes it is.
2019-05-27 14:08
#96
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Finland 0lter 
Yes it is
2019-05-27 14:09
www.skepticalscience.com
2019-05-27 19:23
#95
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Finland 0lter 
True man
2019-05-27 14:09
I have a question. Have you ever compared glaciers to pictures of the same glacier from 25 or more years ago? You should. I was in switzerland 2 years ago at house where people of my family have often gone in the past. In that house we have an old photo album, full of picture from 1963 until now. All marked with dates. An those pictures also often show a nearby glacier. You can clearly see it melts so fast. Morteratsch glacier. You can even see how it melts faster now than it did when 50 years ago. If you dont trust science, leave your home and see for yourself.
2019-05-27 14:16
#105
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
Climate change has always been present. If climate change wouldnt be natural why would have the ice age ever ended? I see climate change as a mere distraction from other shit that this world has like the west beginning to take controll of the internet like China in order to controll mass population and shit.
2019-05-27 14:40
Yeah, agreed with the first part. But it will be impossible to dney the influence of parts of humna activity on it. The industrial revolution is a good example for that. We regulated alot since then and gladly we managed to reduce alot of harmful byproducts, but the population ahs grown and industry has been becoming bigger and bigger. Look at this graphs regarding the Morteratschglacier for example: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e.. Thats 2km decline in 100 years. Thats alot more than it "should" have been. But well, lets talk about the rest of your comment, which is maybe more interesting actually. I dont think its a distraction, but your point is valid, we have alot of problems and things we have to take care of. I dont want to discuss what exactly and what not, thats a whole different story, but let me try to explain why its not a distraction: Its nothing new that scientiest warned about the influence of humans of global warming and for the last centuries we have done alot to fight against that. There have been certain "treshholds" to the concentration of certain byproducts for a pretty long time now and in the past roughly 7 years alot things got worse and many countries went a different way. The latest huge impact was definately the USA pulling out basically. This has brought the topic back on the table. cliamte-experts where kinda happy with the way it went for a while but there was a huge uproar in the past 5 years. And if someone wants to tell me its all a hoax and all those scientiest are in for a scam I can only shake my head. Besides the fact that this is a claim with literally 0 proof behind it (I mean where are the proof that someone pays thousands of scientists aka a whole scientific branch? Its not like 70% of them say yes and 30% say no, literally more than 98% of climatescientists agree on that. I am a very skeptic person, but to triggermy skepticism I need actual arguements and not a political reasoning.
2019-05-27 14:57
#118
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
Understood and i agree to some point. My argument is based on pure skeptism and how i see it. And id argue that people have so much to care about (Life, money, jobs etc.) so if someone feels like they need to do something about something they will try to combat the climate change, but is it really the peoples job to do? (i got mm match starting so i cant really finish this post)
2019-05-27 15:06
No worries man, we dont have to strecth this :) Let me just add: "but is it really the peoples job to do?" Well, we all live on the same planet. A huge change like this does affect everyone ofc. We talk about the longevity of this earth. Tbh, even if there was slight doubt about the impact of humans, why would we even want to risk this? This topic is pretty deep. You can always find some site rebuttling an arguement etc, but if you follow it, its always a denier coming up with an arguement, and then it gets reviewed and smashed. Thats why we still "scream the same slogan again and and again". Gl in your match btw.
2019-05-27 15:30
#123
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
What i meant by"...peoples job" i meant like do the people really have the power to do anything about it.
2019-05-27 15:36
#124
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
Oh yeah i just re read your reply and all i gotta say is +1
2019-05-27 16:02
#103
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France KepleR82b 
Ending nuclear energy has nothing to do with climate change but with the lack of Uranium we will face in 15-20 years. Even your child must know it Coal has to end, we need to put a stop to China who's the first CO2 "reactor" on Earth because of profit needs. Rightists always flame on Leftists because they want to change things, but which drastic changes will make rightists to better take care of our planet? You don't do shit come on, Total do what they want, Bolsonaro is selling Amazonie to China little by little. I invite you to visit other countries than yours to see how much we don't give a single fvck about the environment outside of northern countries lmao Btw I'm not leftist because I don't care about politics, I care about environment so I vote for ecologists :)
2019-05-27 14:29
Uranium is no problem. There are alternatives already.
2019-05-29 20:33
#104
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
Your opinion seems so extreme and too aggressive for people who believe in climate change. If you start with aggression you will end up with aggression. Maybe taking a more open minded approach might help and all you need to do is trust your facts. I do agree with you on this. I see these LGBBQ+ (whatever) and climate change shit as a mere distraction from the real problems such as west making internet more controlled and cencored in order to controll the mass population like China.
2019-05-27 14:38
LOL LGBBQ funniest shit I have read today Anyway: www.skepticalscience.com
2019-05-27 19:24
#173
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
Intresting site gotta have a better look sometime. Imma just say that i dont think that global warming isnt real but im just skeptical and intrested in things such as peoples rights and freedom.
2019-05-27 19:42
Sure, but remember that there are situations where action has to be taken and not everyone can always benefit from every policy. We need to implement stuff that will avert a really bad future.
2019-05-27 19:47
#176
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Finland Pesulakarhu 
True. Well said.
2019-05-27 19:56
What’s dogma? Dog ma balls
2019-05-27 14:51
fuckin gottem holy SHIT
2019-05-27 22:07
#113
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Albania bizhuy 
1/8 try harder next time ;)
2019-05-27 14:54
So you say throwing plastics to ocean is ok...
2019-05-27 16:23
I agree with what you said, but please don't call it leftism... Don't confuse this lunacy with sensible economic policies.
2019-05-27 16:27
www.skepticalscience.com
2019-05-27 19:25
#153
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Finland petemeister 
Most environmentalists who know anything are for nuclear energy, not against it.
2019-05-27 18:16
www.skepticalscience.com
2019-05-27 19:24
a vote for nuclear energy is a vote for homer simpson
2019-05-27 22:06
#193
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North America Lemiwix 
In the middle ages, the church told the people they have to do this or that or theyll go to hell. people freed themselves basically through luther and the age of enlightenment. I thought we were passed the system of beliefs. but, sadly, it looks like people need something to believe in. now its the climate change. the green leftists now play the part of the priest, admonishing the people with the finger up in the sky: if you dont pay co2 taxes, if you dont listen to our every demand, nature will be doomed and us too. and their solution: ending nuclear energy, the only way right now to really ensure power supply without emissions. it is hilarious. this is whats gonna happen. cost of energy will go through the roof, with that, poverty will come and people will start to not give a fuck anymore (a hungry man has no conscience). europa will look like fucking africa II in 50 years. my grandkids will ask: why didnt you guys do anything when leftism took over. and all I will be able to answer is: there were too many dumb fucks. Im so sorry my dear.
2019-05-28 06:32
#194
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Japan Jotaro 
Nuclear energy is great
2019-05-28 06:33
#206
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Dominican Republic SantoDomingo 
Pretty accurate
2019-05-30 02:55
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