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Sweden JW_3_Majors_s1mple_0 
SuNny is a better aimer, has better rating and can entryfrag aswell. Aerial is overrated
2019-06-03 17:34
ye aerial is overrated garbage
2019-06-03 17:35
Allu is still good and seem to have a good impact to ENCE but if somebody should get dropped it is him +sunny. Aleksib awping, xseven secondary.
2019-06-03 18:12
shut up without allu ence wouldnt be here today
2019-06-03 18:14
No definitely not? But he's getting up in age and he won't be good forever? It is about taking the team even further or how restrictive are you?
2019-06-03 18:40
Iran Xanbibi 
Im on his side Like allu is a veteran and old player, and holds VERY solid with the awP? Like that's a horrible move
2019-06-03 19:57
Veteran doesn't make it up mate. And I formulated myself a bit wrong because I say this could be an option in half an year because I can guarantee the other players has potential and he has already had his prime. Isn't that obvious?
2019-06-03 22:03
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
I'd like to think that, he is the one that keeps the team together from tilting. For a young team, ence is pretty good at not tilting and keeping calm.
2019-06-03 22:08
Yeah definitely for now, I get that but as I mentioned if he starts to go down in performance in 6 months or so I think sunny would be the guy to change because I think the other guys seem very promising.
2019-06-03 23:07
Allu has 2nd best in ence this year. Aerial has been the worst. Also sunny plays same role with aerial
2019-06-04 20:14
they are not that young tbh. allu 27. Aerial 25. xseveN 24. Aleksib 22 and sergej 17. most of the guys on astralis are either younger or around the same age.
2019-06-04 13:15
allu | 
Indonesia KAKKIKU 
i mean, they have lack of experience in top tier tournament.
2019-06-04 13:17
true and i think they should keep allu for at least another year unless things go down hill.
2019-06-05 08:33
Ireland trumptastic 
but, i have to argue, Aleksib is a great igl, but Allu is the only player on Ence with such high levels of experience, remember hes been under masterminds like karrigan, gob b and xizt, he wouldve learnt a lot from then and brought it into Aleksi's calling
2019-06-04 00:32
Yeah, and I've said that, but I was playing with the idea of getting sunny into the team and thought that allu is probably the one to drop off first compared to the others right?
2019-06-04 02:53
Ireland trumptastic 
Well in theory yes, but dropping off doesn't necessarily mean kickable, look at forest as an example, he's still great but in honesty not as good as he used to be, and most teams need a dedicated awper, granted some exceptions like NIP, and sunny is a rifler, and it'd be difficult to figure out who to kick for sunny, sergej has great highs, but deep lows, xseven can go high, but he's more consistent with his supportive role which hinders his numbers sometimes. Aerial is a mid ranged Fragger, his kd doesn't tend to be outrageous with exceptions such as blast Madrid, Allu would not be kicked from the team, not yet anyway, sure he'll drop off eventually,. But there's no signs of it happening, don't fix something that isn't broken. Yes sunny is probably better than aerial xseven and sergej, but all three of those players fit such a unique role in aleksib's calling
2019-06-04 04:01
Not better than sergej. Sergej definetely top 10 player of this year so far
2019-06-04 20:16
Ireland trumptastic 
rough major tho
2019-06-04 20:33
Sergej was fine at the major. Aerial was the one lacking the most during major. Sergej was definetely 2nd or 3rd best during major
2019-06-05 19:37
Denmark kozality 
Please, never refer to Xizt as a "mastermind" ever again. You're disgracing the others you mentioned.
2019-06-04 13:14
Ireland trumptastic 
He was a mastermind, NIP werent dominant cause why not.He isnt anymore but he used to be
2019-06-04 15:16
Denmark kozality 
He never was. That is the most outright, dellusional lie I've read today, to be frank.
2019-06-04 16:49
Sweden Bakkmann 
2019-06-17 11:45
Europe tweekzter 
Ence is doing fine. Never change a winning team.
2019-06-03 22:17
Yeah and that was what I wanted to say about him wanting to swap Aerial and I think he looks way more promising than Allu. Ence is doing more than fine but my thoughts were more if it started to go downhill in the next year or months.
2019-06-03 23:08
Europe tweekzter 
Even allu said that it would be stupid to not consider sunny. But for now it just makes no sense. Even if they hit a slump, I'd not panic. Watch what happens with FaZe or mouz.
2019-06-03 23:13
Yeah and that is why I've said the whole time that this could be an option in one year possibly. Read before you talk over me bud.
2019-06-04 02:53
Its more about not fucking things up with player changes... Allu has been solid like all the others. Its a team effort that matters and they play well together
2019-06-03 23:29
You haven't read the conversation have you?
2019-06-03 23:30
Youre arquing everyone is better than allu in ence. Youre arguing his performance from here on is only going down and he is getting older, which is going to affect his numbers. Im arguing he is still as solid as others and continue to be. And that its a team effort anyway, where allu is the leading example for the others. Where its often allu who is talking and everyone else listening between games. We have differing point of views about allu. For me, allu is what makes this team mature. Its evident from the Ence behind the scenes content. Take away allu and you probably lose the soul of the team. Like I said its a team effort and you didnt really read into my comment did you?
2019-06-04 01:24
"Like I said its a team effort and you didnt really read into my comment did you?" What are you talking about, I played with the idea of getting sunny into the team and I said allu might drop off in a year or so compared to the others, and all I've said is that he is solid now so you're literally talking crap right now without reading anything of this discussion mate.
2019-06-04 02:52
These guys have no idea what they are talking about and are probably fans of FaZe or the like. CS:GO is not about aim and flashy plays anymore, it's about teamplay. They think it's about pugteams "having problems" when it's obviously about teams starting to have some serious teamplay. They are just adapting to Astralis who is an anomality with highly skilled players who click. Astralis are forerunners and have shown what this game is about. Time to adapt boys.
2019-06-04 20:28
allu played his best event in a long time, allu can be like forest.. age not holding everyone back
2019-06-03 23:49
2019-06-04 04:08
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
Aerial is only one year younger than Allu, let's not pretend like he's a youngster either anymore lol.
2019-06-04 04:05
Yeah, that is true, but the others are very young.
2019-06-04 16:17
Have you heard of f0rest? Age doesn't matter at all in CS especially when you're the second highest rated person on your team
2019-06-04 04:14
You've clearly not read.
2019-06-04 16:17
Finland ZesseX 
allu 27yo aerial 25yo f0rest 30yo neo 31yo olof 27yo GuardiaN 27yo FalleN 28yo fer 27yo chrishJ 29yo karrigan 29yo hmm
2019-06-04 15:12
Yeah and all of them have dropped down in performance a lot. Edit, not all but they've had their primes.
2019-06-04 16:16
aerial 25 yo allu 27 yo not much of a difference tho
2019-06-04 16:05
Well true, but rest of them are young.
2019-06-04 16:16
xseven is 24
2019-06-04 17:35
Yeah that is considerably young.
2019-06-04 18:10
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
Not even 2 years, Aerial is -93 and Allu is -92. EDIT: But I mean technically you are correct yes, at the moment.
2019-06-04 20:12
Israel Ystyg 
2019-06-05 12:10
Finland fromtheair 
ALLU still 1st or 2nd highest rated in his team.
2019-06-03 23:09
Well not really lmao and he is very old, do you really think he will keep up his performance to his teammates? Like honestly?
2019-06-03 23:11
Finland fromtheair 
Until he plays tournament where he is 4th or 5th we can talk about changes.
2019-06-03 23:16
Who is not better than him though? Literally everyone in ENCE, why are you so biased?
2019-06-03 23:20
Finland fromtheair 
Ratings say otherwise. He is most composed.
2019-06-03 23:23
Yeah well ok, but my whole point wasn't that he is bad now, I actually said he is really good, only that I think he will be the first one to drop down in performance if they go down and that is where I wanted to bring the sunny addition to place.
2019-06-04 00:03
just let it go, you're an idiot. last time we saw Finland on top in CS was in 2012 and now they're top3. just enjoy it and stfu moron
2019-06-04 13:22
And here we go, a guy not reading anything. You're clearly so stupid with that verdict lmao.
2019-06-04 15:02
Finland Orchard 
Why do you think that allu would be the first one to drop down in performance? Age difference is only couple of years to others in team so it's completely meaningless. If something, allu carries the team with his experience while others might crumble under pressure.
2019-06-04 15:08
allu is the guy easiest to replace
2019-06-04 20:37
Finland Orchard 
Nope. Hardest one to replace.
2019-06-17 11:44
aerial isnt, aleksib isnt .. he has 2nd higest rating in the team and gets entrys all the time
2019-06-03 23:50
2019-06-04 00:03
Xseven is a bot lol
2019-06-04 03:24
He is not really old. Are you 12?
2019-06-03 23:40
#86, I am definitely older than you pal.
2019-06-04 00:04
nEGRo | 
Europe Mensseli 
Aleksib awping against tier 1 teams wont work. If you wanna remove Allu, then add Jamppi.
2019-06-03 23:46
North America codered433 
Legit allu will be picked up immediately by a t1 team as soon as he gets dropped
2019-06-04 00:08
Lol who
2019-06-04 01:02
lol no, he has said he wants to be coach at ence
2019-06-04 20:38
NEO | 
Norway Skuolfi 
People always downplay experience. Do you really think 10 years of playing professional CS teaches you nothing?
2019-06-05 08:38
That is pretty much my thoughts.. allu is the only choice if something haves to change. Or maybe sergej to some international team and sunny would replace him
2019-06-05 12:16
United States @FyreCS 
How is Aerial overrated wtf
2019-06-04 15:04
Finland Goofyraider 
No Aerial is best rifler.
2019-06-04 15:18
I agree because xseven is the support and hes doing a fine job only slightly worse statistically then aerial. If they had sunny on this team fragging I could see them being top 2 maybe top 1
2019-06-03 17:37
hes like xyp9x and noone says -xyp9x right? But if dupreeh would frag like aerial everyone would say -dupreeh.
2019-06-03 17:39
2019-06-03 17:41
Europe Friendly_Finn 
Everyone who has played +500 hours past 3 weeks has off days/events.
2019-06-03 17:45
2019-06-03 18:11
Argentina LuczZ 
2019-06-03 23:32
That’s literally playing 24 hours a day. It’s literally not possible. 500 hours is wayy exaggerated.
2019-06-04 01:04
Yeah he has probably played around 300-400 hours past 3 weeks
2019-06-04 21:43
Portugal Cyborgy 
but but aerial shakes when moving his xhair like a bot,he must stay
2019-06-03 17:39
These guys have gone from a meme (internationally and nationally) to a t1 team in like a year. Sure lets make changes as the team is climbing up the rankings constantly. Makes sense.
2019-06-03 17:41
ye i agree in that. but if they do one it can should be aerial or allu
2019-06-03 17:43
allu is not going anywhere, even tho he would drop his form for a straight year. He is the face of ENCE, the mental leader (yes he is not IGL, i know) and they wouldn't be anywhere near this level if it wasn't for him. If someone leaves it's Aerial, but I feel stupid even typing this because he is not going anywhere. Last month he was the MVP at their first big tournament win, everyone should get their heads out of their asses.
2019-06-03 17:48
JaCkz | 
France Nairelav 
True about Allu, it's also their only experienced player he need to stay to show them the way and if Aerial wasnt playing that game on Nuke against Astralis they would never win for sure.
2019-06-03 17:58
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
experience? ence are experienced enough rn allu is the guy who cant step up like xseven or aleksib can
2019-06-03 18:09
Europe Friendly_Finn 
2019-06-04 00:37
They have the best finnish player as an option available. Why wouldn't you consider changes?
2019-06-04 15:26
They are constantly improving their performance, climbing up ranks, sementing their place in the top5. You NEVER know if sunny would just fuck things up. There is NO reason to make any changes, I don't know how anyone can think otherwise. It's straight up dumb.
2019-06-04 15:31
They aren't improving, they seem to hit their ceiling. Also, it's not hard right now to climb up the ranks with literally every other team but Liquid having some sort of problems.
2019-06-04 15:34
Hit their ceiling? They have been playing together for a year and started as nonamers, what are u talking about? They have shown that teamplay wins over individual skill, in a scene where superteams who rely on firepower like FaZe have won almost nothing in a 2 years span. Astralis is an anomality where all players are highly skilled individually and seem to click, but have shown that teamplay is greater than anything else, and teams are adapting to it. This e-sport is evolving, this is the future dude. This isn't football or icehockey where getting the best goalscorer is a nobrainer for a team with 11+ players. This is more like tennis in pairs, where every player's mentality and personality plays a HUGE factor in synergy and how the team works as an unit. This is not a temporary thing, this is how it's gonna be. I'm not saying that ENCE will be on top forever, but teams have to adapt, and it doesn't happen over night. ENCE doens't need more firepower, they need more consistency and even more adaptation and teamplay. You are definitely clueless.
2019-06-04 20:21
yeL | 
Chile Zzalb 
-Aerial +suNny -rain +Aerial Aerial entry-fragger, NiKo back to lurker role (AKA carrymode) (I would rather see suNny on FaZe but whatever, ENCE dont need any changes anyways)
2019-06-03 17:43
Europe Friendly_Finn 
That is a change up i would like to see.
2019-06-03 17:50
Rain is ducking great rn. Why d u change him?
2019-06-03 17:58
yeL | 
Chile Zzalb 
Because (as far I know) he is no longer entry, Now NiKo is it and his numbers hasnt been that good last matches, I would rather see NiKo at his full potential than rain
2019-06-03 18:04
hes no longer igl and is still readjusting to it, and im pretty sure rain is still entrying
2019-06-03 18:10
rain is still entry
2019-06-03 18:22
yeL | 
Chile Zzalb 
rain still entry? So rain is improving because of NEO ? Pog
2019-06-03 18:53
everyone in FaZe (except NiKo) is performing better with neo on the roster
2019-06-03 19:17
Finland Faifainei 
Have you heard aerial speaking english?
2019-06-05 09:55
yeL | 
Chile Zzalb 
No but he should learn, he is too good to be stuck with a low tier finnish team like HAVU or Sj
2019-06-05 15:44
Aerial is the best, please stop
2019-06-03 17:50
no he is not
2019-06-03 17:51
yes he is
2019-06-03 18:04
The entire Ence team is overrated, you do know Serge and Aleksib will leave as soon as they get an offer from an actual tier 1 team? Ence is just a stepping stone.
2019-06-03 17:52
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
2019-06-04 13:21
EU mentality differs from NA quite a bit... No one in ence is after for the "star player spot" you guys over there always seem to sing praises about.
2019-06-04 14:59
They can't be overrated and get offers from big orgs at the same time...
2019-06-04 15:25
Ence as an organisation is overrated. The players themselves are not, if anything Serge is underrated.
2019-06-05 13:52
Russia palll 
-xseven (too overrated)
2019-06-03 17:52
xseveN | 
Finland osk4r99 
but he is seksi
2019-06-03 19:59
-allu xD
2019-06-03 17:53
Spain akproxx 
if ence change 1 should be xseven imo i just see aerial winning a lot of rounds even when he is having bad games lol xseven is just there he is not like xyp9x who is a madafukcing beast is just a guy there doing his job
2019-06-03 17:54
are u even watching ence matches? xseven does so many clutches and has much impact than this decoy aerial
2019-06-03 18:06
Spain akproxx 
can say the same for u lol also the man always playing agressive still get more 1on1 than xseven
2019-06-03 18:17
s1mple | 
Brazil Skilo 
Look at xseven 1v2 clutches, tho
2019-06-03 23:35
2019-06-04 16:12
Spain akproxx 
2019-06-04 17:35
Spain akproxx 
as i said aerial is a guy who play entry and also agressive in ct side getting a lot of info and kills in early time in sure he not really survive that long so ofc xseven can play more clutches lol
2019-06-04 17:34
Jame | 
Russia Tank0v 
-xseveN +SuNny
2019-06-03 17:54
how is Aerial overrated all i ever here is people shitting on him???
2019-06-03 18:00
Poland MapPredictor 
2019-06-03 23:45
Where the fuck do you hear that?
2019-06-04 15:24
on this site lul
2019-06-04 15:46
On this site you also hear people calling the earth flat
2019-06-04 15:55
Poland Lukovsky 
they're right though
2019-06-05 19:45
Good point
2019-06-05 20:03
Xyp9x | 
Europe NiQa 
It’s too soon to make changes just for the sake of novelty. Ence still haven’t hit their peak.
2019-06-03 18:01
s1mple | 
Australia karmaYB 
suggestions like this are retarded reasons why lots of team with stacked players does not grow because they dont have patience ence proved something already, that they can win t1 events against top teams why change roster and lose the team's chemistry just to add a fire power which can flop at some time??? patience dude, top teams are built because of players sticking together, good example is Astralis
2019-06-03 18:05
Ukraine d0gshitxddd 
sunny retire
2019-06-03 18:07
-bot allu +jamppi
2019-06-03 18:14
ottoNd > Jamppi.
2019-06-03 19:54
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
Jamppi has more talent
2019-06-03 23:18
ottoNd has more experience.
2019-06-04 12:38
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
All experience he has is from some lans And allu got more experience and is kinda same like otto Jamppi could come out as a god
2019-06-04 13:07
2019-06-04 20:39
Netherlands staticNL 
Aerial seems like a good role player to me thats pivitol to ence's succes.
2019-06-03 18:15
Denmark fogxz 
Why Aerial?
2019-06-03 18:16
Aerial god. ENCE doesnt need any replaces, they have great atmosphere in team.
2019-06-03 18:17
2019-06-04 20:39
sunny has better rating? ok
2019-06-03 19:21
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
Now switch over to lan or big events and we are fine? Ok
2019-06-04 13:08
You really don't know how to evaluate statistics do you?
2019-06-04 15:23
Finland 7ones 
Aerial sure has quite a lot of off games, but I see that the ceiling is still quite high and the potential is there. But it sure is intriguing that huge caliber player like Sunny is available. Imo Sunny could very well be better all-around player than any of ENCE's. Of course Aleksib is more important being the playmaker, but yeah.
2019-06-03 22:14
are u high dude
2019-06-03 23:21
France VitalityTop1 
lmao Aerial = suNny but he knows all the things ENCE players do he has 50000000 times better teamplay stop this ffs
2019-06-03 23:22
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
Nope. Aerials aim isnt that good.
2019-06-04 13:09
France VitalityTop1 
but is he in ENCE ? yes aim doesn't matter that much, his aim is good enough
2019-06-04 14:49
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
it does he wont be able to do unbelievable stuff wiht his aim
2019-06-04 14:53
France VitalityTop1 
ofc he'll be able to
2019-06-04 15:22
Imagine thinking Aerial is as good as Sunny
2019-06-04 15:21
France VitalityTop1 
Imagine suNny is as good as Aerial
2019-06-04 15:22
I imagined it, would really suck for Sunny being that sub par compared to what he has been
2019-06-04 15:23
France VitalityTop1 
suNny 0 MVP Aerial 1 MVP ez men)))
2019-06-04 15:24
Best time for Finns since a long time, and you want to change the team that can reach the final? if this happens I hope that the Finns come back as it was previously, irrelevant, nor could qualify for major tournament
2019-06-03 23:27
+1 except if they do make that mistake, ill still hope for them to win
2019-06-03 23:29
Brazil gasparini11 
Sunny to C9, makes more sense
2019-06-03 23:31
New Zealand Eauor 
Off to rot in that dump of a team? fuck that
2019-06-03 23:56
shroud | 
Denmark MAMS 
LOL yea C9 are terrible now. It was cool with Kio and Flusha imo
2019-06-04 00:13
New Zealand Eauor 
Yeah, that was something they could have built on, though Flusha didn't want to IGL. Now they just have a bunch of useless, washed up players like CajunB. Feels bad for autimatic.
2019-06-04 00:58
shroud | 
Denmark MAMS 
Yea man, hopefully there'll be a roster change or Auti joins a mix team like Faze,Mouze etc
2019-06-04 01:18
New Zealand Eauor 
he would have been super good on either of those, he's such a good player - it's actually sort of sad that he has just been left on C9 all this time, while 10x worse players like stewie2k manage to join liquid and so on. Perhaps he would be good on NRG but idk who you would cut.
2019-06-04 06:28
Poland MapPredictor 
Why they would want to change anythink? They're playing really well nowdays.
2019-06-03 23:34
This is a team game you silvers
2019-06-03 23:35
"Never change teams if one player underperforms and you have better options because it's a team game"
2019-06-04 15:21
Yes, don't kick people because of ratings. ENCE haven't kicked because of ratings and they are in top3. There is lot in the team that cannot be described with simple stats.
2019-06-04 15:24
You my friend, are totally clueless of how cs works :D
2019-06-04 20:45
New Zealand Eauor 
Would be the move to make, unless it destroys team chemistry or something like that.
2019-06-03 23:55
India LodFresa 
ENCE are good as they are, they will show up when needed /Closed
2019-06-04 00:23
It was needed against Liquid in Dallas
2019-06-04 15:20
yeah but there is nothing to do with the prepare time to these 2 tournaments right?
2019-06-04 20:41
best would be for ENCE -aerial +jamppi and when allu cant hit shots anymore -allu +suNy keep veteran presence until allu retires and by then everybody good on LAN
2019-06-04 00:25
ile | 
Finland Vkims 
Jamppi so bad it makes me sad
2019-06-04 00:49
yeah he lost motivation because khrn and xarte eat shit during games, maybe future looks better with proper teammates (not bots)
2019-06-04 02:53
Venezuela xoile 
Yes sure kicking a guy that just won an MVP. Htlv iq 5000
2019-06-04 00:45
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
An MVP in one tournament. Where the enemy team (especially astralis) were not playing like they used to.
2019-06-04 13:11
Finland Orchard 
:DDDdd Nice bait m8
2019-06-04 15:21
Blast mvp axaxaxaxa
2019-06-04 15:19
Fuck off man, ENCE don't need choke player like suNny
2019-06-04 01:23
Brazil goatzera 
-xseveN +suNny
2019-06-04 01:26
Aleksib | 
Finland Mitzu 
Remove support, add entry?
2019-06-04 04:08
arT | 
Brazil PQD28 
Ence doesn't need mixes.
2019-06-04 01:27
North America Snaxer 
why not xseven?
2019-06-04 04:15
pronax | 
Germany AdiZen 
Because hes their good support player?
2019-06-04 13:10
North America Snaxer 
but why is he more valuable than aerial? and why can't they switch around roles?
2019-06-05 12:45
Europe Nomarosa 
2019-06-04 12:41
Twistzz | 
Poland Maxyl 
of course not
2019-06-04 13:09
Ukraine ksay 
just fuck off L M A O sunny will team up with flusha and join c9
2019-06-04 13:16
Denmark rageN1x 
this team don't need fix. stfu now ty
2019-06-04 15:09
2019-06-04 15:18
stop trying to fix something that is not broken
2019-06-04 15:21
SunNy isnt as good as you think, also why tf you want change in top3 team if they are good
2019-06-04 15:37
you guys are idiots. Not every team is destined to be top 1. If they changed something, they would become worse for sure. This line up hasn't even hit the ceiling yet, if they work on some of the other maps they will become even better. No reason to fuck up the team chemistry at this point.
2019-06-04 15:37
2019-06-04 15:47
No. Before you'll ever cut Aerial you cut x7 first. That's like common sense dude come on.
2019-06-04 15:55
wtf is wrong with x7?
2019-06-04 20:42
low fragging
2019-06-05 11:57
impact frags
2019-06-05 12:07
Yes idk why ence don't do that
2019-06-04 15:58
Argentina Retegui join league lads, winner takes my wife kkkkkkkkkkk
2019-06-04 16:01
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
entire ence team is overrated
2019-06-04 16:02
zet | 
Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
expected by Sam2k
2019-06-04 20:30
+1 he is the 3rd biggest retard in hltv
2019-06-04 20:43
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
wtf mens)) why you say that :(
2019-06-04 21:17
mimi | 
Philippines nilb0g 
r u a retard
2019-06-17 12:13
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