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BEST Military leader?
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Greenland xen_ 
who was/is the best military leader in history? Caesar? Napoleon? Stalin? Hitler? Eisenhower? Sun Tzu? Others? personally I think Caesar was the best and smartest, what about you?
2019-06-05 20:06
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Jozef Pilsudzki
2019-06-05 20:07
#4
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Greenland xen_ 
what did he do?
2019-06-05 20:08
Wasnt he the one at the siege of Vienna?
2019-06-05 20:10
#79
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Japan hirohito 
o bandyta spod bezdan
2019-06-05 20:58
#81
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Finland MeeTaZ 
no... he was the one that saved poland from red russian army... specially in battle of warsowa where they managed to rout the russians and capture a bit of russian territory. stalin fucked up cuz he didnt help his allies.
2019-06-05 21:00
#164
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Poland sedi 
that misspell xd
2019-06-06 00:32
The Miracle on the Vistula! Kind of an authoritarian leader.
2019-06-08 05:51
Alexander the Great
2019-06-05 20:08
#166
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Brazil JPbernardi09 
+1
2019-06-06 01:34
+1
2019-06-06 13:59
#300
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Israel BingoBango 
+1
2019-06-07 13:58
Not the best in history but Patton is up there, sad that he was murdered for speaking the truth...
2019-06-05 20:08
#173
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United States kdog 
hellow fellow gentile please tell me what is this "truth" you speak of?
2019-06-06 01:53
We defeated the wrong enemy.
2019-06-06 01:54
#175
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United States kdog 
oy vey
2019-06-06 01:54
+1 (I'm not suggesting anything and my flag is just coincidence, I just like to type +1 in random comments)
2019-06-06 16:18
As in, he thought the Soviets were the greater threat, not that the Germans shouldn't be destroyed at a later point. He does refer to them as an 'enemy'.
2019-06-08 05:52
+1 man, have u watched TGSNT OR europa the last battle?
2019-06-06 14:27
Yes
2019-06-06 14:39
good. true evil was the soviet union, not national socialist germany
2019-06-07 00:11
Just to clarify, they were both evils, correct?
2019-06-08 05:53
nope not really, national socialist germany didnt want to conquer europe, but to protect it from bolshevism.
2019-06-08 13:54
That was a goal, not the only goal.
2019-06-08 13:57
? what are u talking about? germany never wanted war with the western allies, only war against soviet union to protect europe from communism.
2019-06-08 13:59
I'm saying that the destruction of Bolshevism was not their only goal. They also wanted to annihilate an entire race of people from the face of Europe. That is a quality of being evil in my book.
2019-06-08 14:00
not true though. They wanted to move an entire race from europe to Madagaskar. Read the Haavara agreement
2019-06-08 14:02
Even if that was the case (it was ruled out because the Allies were encroaching too quickly onto Axis territory), the forced re-settlement of people is still pretty evil.
2019-06-08 14:08
yeah, but its also very evil to declare a war against germany (yes the jewish people did this in 1933) and have rich jewish bankers own everything in germany after ww1 and see people having no food or jobs because of one type of people. (the jewish people)
2019-06-08 14:08
Hell even if THAT'S true, the mass deportation (and subsequent murder due to a lack of a more practical method) of an entire people due to a slight done by a tiny minority is one huge fallacy. If a Japanese person attacks you, you wouldn't deport his entire minority from Sweden, would you? Also, can you elaborate on the Jewish 'declaration of war' on Germany in 1933?
2019-06-08 14:19
Dshinghis khan
2019-06-05 20:09
overrated tbh
2019-06-05 20:21
#167
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Spain Zhalos 
I wouldn't say so, he was truly one of the best leaders. Perhaps not the best, but still a top 10.
2019-06-06 01:42
Who the fuck is that?
2019-06-08 01:22
Genghis Khan.
2019-06-08 05:53
his tactic was just go kill lol basically
2019-06-08 21:07
Temujin!
2019-06-08 05:53
#8
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Poland MokSu 
Jan III Sobieski
2019-06-05 20:09
Theresa may
2019-06-05 20:10
+1
2019-06-05 21:48
magnus carlsson
2019-06-05 20:10
#23
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Greenland xen_ 
+1
2019-06-05 20:13
drdrunkenstein
2019-06-05 20:22
xD
2019-06-05 21:00
haha
2019-06-06 09:20
Napoléon : highest number of battles won in history
2019-06-05 20:10
#90
paz | 
Turkey M@CHINE 
against slaves :)
2019-06-05 21:03
#120
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France SpooceCooke 
yes, the Germans, Polish, Italians, British, Spanish and Russians were slaves indeed well said
2019-06-05 21:32
JAN 3 SOBIESKI till now u are so fcking scared
2019-06-05 21:50
who??
2019-06-05 22:45
#251
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Turkey M@CHINE 
Spooco ı meant north africa :) After napoleonic wars france never became the strongest country for me
2019-06-06 17:24
He's the guy who charged down the hill in the biggest cavalry charge during the Siege of Vienna. Not sure about his other exploits, though.
2019-06-08 05:54
Ok thanks :)
2019-06-08 08:36
he killed 2 million of his own people to do it he mobilized his entire country when the rest of the great power didn't it wasn't a even playing field
2019-06-06 14:40
+1
2019-06-06 16:00
It was all caused because of the coalitions before the Napoleonic Wars. All be it, Napoleon added additional, unneeded tension.
2019-06-08 05:57
Also 25% of men of a whole generation died in his battle. Quality =/= quantity
2019-06-06 15:59
But you can't deny he was a great military leader. Often men under his command, and French soldiers in general beat a larger enemy through their incredible morale. The Old Guard is legendary.
2019-06-08 05:58
Did he beat the entire Royal Europe that was looking to put down France after its Revolution? Sure. He was a great military leader, but he also made many mistakes : Russia, Belgium, Egypt, etc.. So the best? I don't think so.
2019-06-08 06:14
Okay think about it this way, as Napoleon, as a way to justify his greatest mistake. You're considering invading Russia, so you look at the two who came before you. The Mongols who utterly dominated the Russians, all be it, Russia wasn't centralised at all, so then you think: "Okay then, what else is there?". So you look at Charles XII's invasion of Russia while it was under the leadership of the one of the greatest Russian leaders, Tsar Peter the Great. Charles XII, barely a boy, won a plethora of battles during the invasion of Russia, and nearly brought them to their knees but ended up losing the war due to a lack of reinforcements and food which was also due to them being so far in Russian territory. So you think "what else is there to consider?", and you think of the Polish-Muscovite war of 1605 where the Poles took Moscow, but in the Russian's favour, they were also facing a succession crisis known as "The Time of Troubles", where Russia went through four Tsars in the span of the war. But even considering this, the war was still significant. If I was Napoleon, I'd think I'd be able to take Russia. My point is, you're thinking that it was obvious that Napoleon would've lost but I don't think it would've been as obvious back then. Especially after you had just steamrolled the entirety of Europe, and set up many puppet governments, so you'd have access to some of their manpower. I actually don't know why I wrote out this paragraph, considering I don't actually think he's the best... but whatever. Who do you think is the best? Just curious.
2019-06-08 06:34
WINSTON CHURCHILL
2019-06-05 20:10
#299
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United Kingdom Kingcuz 
+1
2019-06-07 13:58
#14
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Russia BULLYHUNTER_8 
Trump Kappa
2019-06-05 20:10
#15
COCAINE | 
Mongolia bozgor 
Scipio Africanus
2019-06-05 20:10
#168
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Spain Zhalos 
the way he conquered New Carthago was amazing.
2019-06-06 01:42
#178
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Tunisia Respecc 
yep literally copying hannibal's strategies.
2019-06-06 02:08
Flag checks out
2019-06-08 05:58
#347
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Tunisia Respecc 
Does not change the relevance of the fact I stated.
2019-06-08 09:12
I didn't say it did.
2019-06-08 10:14
#16
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Turkey Tormund1 
too sad nobody mentioned Ataturk
2019-06-05 20:10
Ottoman Sultanates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2019-06-05 20:11
Atatürk has lead an army of a country that was already destroyed and dissolved. He and his comrades in arms have reunited the army and country. Mehmet the Conq., Suleiman the Magn. etc. all had a decent army to do battles. It is like building a car from scraps and taking your father's Porsche.
2019-06-05 20:23
This is rubbish. OSMAN I came out of nowhere from Sultanate Rum and had TO UNITE AND SUBJUGATE the area. They didn't get central anatolia in one day, they had to subjugate the BEYLIKS and they were not slouches neither were Eastern ROMAN EMPIRE and the Crusades and not to mention the civil wars that ensued after the death of Bayezid. THINK AGAIN.
2019-06-05 20:22
Osman had support from other Anatolian Beyliks just because they were the one fighting infidel Eastern Romans though
2019-06-05 20:25
Beyliks are made up of different factions/tribes so for sure they had conflicts. Even if they are Muslims. See first crusades.
2019-06-05 20:37
Yeah because struggling with "Beyliks" and fighting France, Italy, Greece, Armenians, the UK and the traitors within the country both in politics and in battlefield are the same... Smh. Btw no disrespect toward the rulers of the Ottoman Emp. in its first 200 years, they all were well educated smart rulers.
2019-06-05 20:32
and fighting Eastern EU + Russia + Central Asia + North Africa + subjugating Mediterranean sea is an easier task right?
2019-06-05 20:41
#63
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Netherlands HetIsPatat 
You two know too much about Turkish warlords wtf mens))
2019-06-05 20:45
yeah I like turks xaxaaxaxa
2019-06-05 20:47
It's a very interesting country, with a great history, and military history.
2019-06-08 05:59
You just agreed with me at #29 /close.
2019-06-05 20:45
I don't think you understand what it is like to manage an entire region. Even FAKHRI PASHA is better than that guy!
2019-06-05 20:47
Agree with you,first Ottoman sultans were so wise,brave and amazing they always picked the true fights and used diplomacy very well. They built an amazing military system and they always fought side by side with their soldiers. They knew how to unite and treat other cultures and didnt get many opposition like turks got in the first world war and war of independence.
2019-06-08 01:35
thx bro <3
2019-06-08 05:27
Yeah I agree that Ottoman sultans like Mehmed the Conqueror, and Suleiman the Magnificent were better in terms of doing stuff for the country, but in terms of military prowess, don't you like Ataturk is one of the greatest military generals to come out of Turkey?
2019-06-08 06:01
I have many problems with Attaturk. He carried out what the western allies were set to do when they pitted them with Germany during world war, to cut the head of a Caliphate state and listened to Brittanica. So after he become in power he jailed the very people who helped him. I'm struggling to accept him as a great leader, just a deceiver and there were actually more people that bettered him in leadership.
2019-06-08 17:52
But this isn't about the quality his of political leadership, or his religious policies, it's about the quality of his military leadership.
2019-06-08 17:56
#33
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Mongolia bozgor 
only reason he won was the british baited Greece harder than Jamei his team.
2019-06-05 20:16
Alexander the Great has the most impressive record
2019-06-05 20:10
+1 on Alexander
2019-06-05 21:01
#113
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Brazil lul321 
+1
2019-06-05 21:22
only won against persian peasants overrated
2019-06-06 00:18
#237
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United Kingdom Hamshanks 
(who vastly outnumbered him) back then quality didnt matter as much, sword vs sword x3 = anyone can win
2019-06-06 15:58
yes, indeed
2019-06-08 18:01
Khaleed Ibn Waleed R.A.
2019-06-05 20:11
+111111
2019-06-05 20:16
+1
2019-06-05 20:30
- May the eyes of the coward never sleep
2019-06-05 21:38
<3 eid mubarak bro
2019-06-05 21:40
Thank u brother and eid mubarak to you too aswell <3
2019-06-05 22:41
#20
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Estonia E$t0 
Hitler
2019-06-05 20:11
#21
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Genghis Khan Or John Snow
2019-06-05 20:11
Alexander The Great and Djingis Khan
2019-06-05 20:13
#24
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Greenland xen_ 
good choices!
2019-06-05 20:13
Napoleon and Ceaser aint a shit compared to them. Btw, LOTR is waaaay better then GoT
2019-06-05 20:15
#28
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Greenland xen_ 
yeahh i agree, my name is just a bad bait :P but i wouldn't say caesar and napoleon "aint shit" to them... two totally different time periods and conflicts!
2019-06-05 20:15
I think Caesar is only impressive because of his fight against Rome itself, not the Gallic tribes. But his civil war alone makes me think he's one of the greatest generals.
2019-06-08 06:03
probably adolf hitler.
2019-06-05 20:14
Depends on which angle you see it on Julius Caesar had the most success making an empire which lasted for 1600 more years Alexander the Great had the best record against his battles,I think he won 20+ battles and never lost one against much bigger armies Napoleon faced the hardest opponents and against all odds,he won many of the battles and had a pretty impressive run on conquering europe Genghis Khan was the military leader with the best methology,conquering the whole asia Stalin and Hitler are military leaders to an extent,but with the help of their opponents.There could be some eastern military leaders that where very succesful but I am not familiar with.
2019-06-05 20:14
#32
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Greenland xen_ 
smart post yeah the question is kind of left open and vague, just wanted to hear some discussion on war :)
2019-06-05 20:16
#177
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Israel OKOptimistic 
Napoleon overrated
2019-06-06 02:04
Stalin is overrated imo, he was lucky enough to have a handful of loyal and smart advisors. The strategy he initially adopted for Finland's takeover was an absolute joke.
2019-06-07 13:44
It's funny, because he rejected a plan to take over Finland's southern coast, over a plan to take over the entirety of Finland slowly, and then he reverted to the original plan after the Soviets were whacked. But I agree, Stalin is definitely overrated as a military leader.
2019-06-08 06:04
Yeah that's what I was referring to, Hitler had his faults as a strategist but on occasion he had his own ideas that worked out better than what his generals suggested.
2019-06-08 07:54
+1, Hitler is rightly a hated person, but the myth that he was a clueless grand strategist is just intellectually, and militarily disingenuous, and you'd fall right into the mental trap left by the German generals after the war. But that's not to imply he was perfect, or he didn't make any mistakes at all. He definitely did make an innumerable plethora of mistakes, but at the very least he adopted new strategies compared to some of his generals who pursued nonsensical (in the context of the war at the time) plans like taking Moscow.
2019-06-08 08:16
you'd be falling*
2019-06-08 08:16
Djingis Khan
2019-06-05 20:16
Khalid Ibn Al-Waleed.
2019-06-05 20:17
Flag checks out, who?
2019-06-05 20:58
Search then u will know😁
2019-06-05 21:16
Not even close to Napoléon
2019-06-05 21:23
He beats Napoleon hands down. France was already a superpower. Khalid Ibn Al-Waleed beat the Armies of 2 superpowers. He beat the Romans & he beat the Persians. 2 Superpowers of their time..... He won 100+ Battles..... Napoleon just got his Army dead, either in the hills of Portugal, the snows of Russia or at Waterloo. He lost.
2019-06-05 21:33
The Romans were falling apart at the seems and so was the Persians lol. Napoleon took a fractured country still crippled by the revolution and the countless invasions following the revolution and beat the shit out of the coalitions for over a decade.
2019-06-05 21:37
No doubt Khalid was a great leader but not the greatest
2019-06-05 21:47
Maybe you think that he is not close to Napoleon he is ways and ways above napoleon
2019-06-06 11:57
Alexander The Great for sure
2019-06-05 20:16
#41
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Finland Vkims 
+1
2019-06-05 20:18
#36
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Kazakhstan sekfree 
Vladimir Makarov xd rofl
2019-06-05 20:17
#169
Supmah | 
Sweden IvoS 
Or imran Zakhaev
2019-06-06 01:47
Or General Shepherd
2019-06-08 18:10
gla1ve
2019-06-05 20:17
Xxaxaxxaxa +1
2019-06-05 20:59
#38
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Turkey samirrhyme 
if u are talking about turks. it must be fatih sultan mehmet ataturk and metehan
2019-06-05 20:17
#39
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Netherlands BigMarvin 
Gla1ve
2019-06-05 20:17
#40
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Poland henlo 
jan zizka literally invented driveby in 15th century
2019-06-05 20:18
#42
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Georgia Broozman 
Stalin
2019-06-05 20:19
Alexander The Great Caesar Hannibal Gengis Khan Napoleon
2019-06-05 20:28
#74
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
why have hannibal and not scipio? he literally beat hannibal
2019-06-05 20:51
well yeah after 15 years of occupation, with not much help from Carthage, but if we are talking about leaders he should be here, he's one of the greatest military strategists of all time, Scipio was "just" a great general Unironically Scipio and Hannibal had a discussion about this very topic.
2019-06-05 21:11
#106
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United Kingdom alcaz4r_ 
also i would say that if youve got alexander the great youve gotta have philip of macedon, it was his reforms and conquests that allowed alexander to conquer what he did, probably deserved like 50% of the credit.
2019-06-05 21:15
Hitler. thanx nazists for en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkestan_Legion
2019-06-05 20:29
papa jo jo
2019-06-05 20:32
probably hitler or napoleon
2019-06-05 20:36
#56
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African Union Zawwy 
Suleiman the Magnificent
2019-06-05 20:39
#96
paz | 
Turkey M@CHINE 
are u kidding with us he only waste his father's money he capture hungry 1k times after that he gave austria sarlken and ferdinand fuck him ( suleiman's army was beast ) sassanids and ferninand play with him like a cat
2019-06-05 21:07
Partially true but I'd also agree upon that there are many others prior to Suleiman The Magnificent
2019-06-05 21:19
#176
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Turkey FSM36 
during his rain the empire triple his size lmao wtf are you talking fking kemalist masoncular
2019-06-06 02:03
+1
2019-06-05 21:18
#57
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Finland Jodecast 
Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim
2019-06-05 20:40
#73
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Finland zntei 
+1
2019-06-05 20:50
#109
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Finland santedek 
+1
2019-06-05 21:16
press s to spit on dead soviets
2019-06-06 14:42
#247
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Sweden deadvein 
+10
2019-06-06 16:22
M A N N E R H E I M A N N E R H E I M
2019-06-08 01:12
#58
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Tunisia Respecc 
Hannibal
2019-06-05 20:40
Flag checks out ^^ but yeah hes one of the greatest generals of all time
2019-06-05 21:35
#147
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Tunisia Respecc 
Hannibal is one of the most underrated generals ever, he is probably the best tactician of all time. The only problem with Hannibal is that he was fighting the Roman empire at its peak with limited resources.
2019-06-05 21:59
Yep and the politicians being against him
2019-06-05 22:06
#154
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Tunisia Respecc 
That was basically because Carthaginians were traders, all they cared about is profitting from trade. It came back to bite them in the ass later.
2019-06-05 22:50
#60
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United Kingdom Lightning_DC_ 
Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan
2019-06-05 20:42
Bin Laden
2019-06-05 20:43
Gabriel Toledo
2019-06-05 20:44
Caesar.
2019-06-05 20:45
al-bagdadi
2019-06-05 20:46
#68
NEO | 
Macedonia ElGancho 
Alexander and Genghis
2019-06-05 20:47
#70
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Armenia PANZERSHARK 
Hitler was politic lul,if he heard his generals mb now we was living in socialistic hell (sry for eng btw)
2019-06-05 20:48
Rommel or Patton, they were both ballsy leaders who fought with the forces and not in an office
2019-06-05 20:48
#77
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Finland MeeTaZ 
rommel was bad with logistics, very bad... that cost him the afrika core... patton, meh, ok i would say...
2019-06-05 20:57
Did it? From what I know, Rommel fought pretty damn well for being out-manned by the allies. If he got more troops and more petrol for his tanks, I'd say he would've won that war in Africa
2019-06-05 21:00
#86
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Finland MeeTaZ 
nah, he didnt need more troops, just fuel for tanks... 60% of the tanks had to be left behind cuz of the fuel sortage...
2019-06-05 21:02
That’s not a logistics error, that’s a supply error. More the fault of hitler putting too much emphasis on the Eastern front and not reinforcing Rommel, he was also the one who scoped out Normandy and correctly predicted that there would be an attack at Omaha beach and strengthened defenses there for dday
2019-06-06 22:50
#89
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Finland MeeTaZ 
58% if i want to be exact.
2019-06-05 21:03
#94
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Japan hirohito 
rommel bad at logistics? he was rolling through the sands of maghreb despite of lack of resources from the high command lol
2019-06-05 21:04
#75
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Finland MeeTaZ 
zhukov, pilsudzki, mannerheim, ludendorff, falkenhayn, napoleon, alexander 1, Alexander the great, Stalin, (hitler was pretty awful, he could only focus on minor battlefield but in that he was good) , manstein, Stepanović, brusilov, petain, haig, lawrence... i could go on and on...
2019-06-05 20:56
you could go on and on, that's probably why this thread was about which one was actually the best ;)
2019-06-05 21:02
#91
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Finland MeeTaZ 
then i would say Zhukov.
2019-06-05 21:03
I was just about to say the same haha
2019-06-05 21:04
Manstein>Zhukov. In 1944 in Western Ukraine after zhukov toon control of 2 tank armies he rushed through to Lemberg and manstein fucked his ass with 1,5 army corps
2019-06-08 18:08
#435
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Finland MeeTaZ 
i know... mansteins miracle was brilliant i admit it... 18k losses for germany and 80k losses for soviets.
2019-06-08 21:05
#76
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Mexico LEWORb 
Ignacio Allende, Agustín de Iturbide or Felipe Ángeles Edit: Also Pancho Villa, the guy was a dick but the US Army never caught him after Alamo.
2019-06-05 20:58
Napoléon and Djengis Khan
2019-06-05 21:01
Donald Trump
2019-06-05 21:03
XI Costantin
2019-06-05 21:04
#95
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Germany Neckarstadion 
Caesar was a genius, I don't think anyone else could have pulled off some of those battles in the gallic war like he did.
2019-06-05 21:05
#97
cyx | 
Germany Shadyy89 
Ghandi
2019-06-05 21:08
master of the nuclear arts
2019-06-05 21:28
#240
JW | 
United Kingdom Hamshanks 
CIV 5 never forget
2019-06-06 15:59
Our words are backed up with nuclear weapons.
2019-06-08 18:06
#98
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Switzerland RU!N 
Mussolini before wwii
2019-06-05 21:08
Karl XII
2019-06-05 21:09
Genghis Khan, Cuz he build a super-powerful country from nothing (Best military ruler) Hannibal Barca, Cuz he almost defeated Roman Republic (Best military commander/strategist) Alexander the Great overrated imo, He is up against some dumb Persian king Darius III Honorably mention to Tamerlane which is surely top5 in history too
2019-06-05 21:14
#101
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Venezuela cubek 
Sun Tzu
2019-06-05 21:11
#103
paz | 
Turkey M@CHINE 
Ataturk for sure he create a new country his enemy was superstar ( england france ıtaly armenia ) he had limited people,army,weapon,suplies Napoleon killed slave but he lost against 79 y/o guy whose name is cezzar ahmet pasha II. Mehmet conq Istanbul but his army was better than Byzantium Caesar is really intellangent he improved his army weapon so his army was better after 10 wars
2019-06-05 21:12
Sorry, But Genghis or Tamerlane stomps Ataturk
2019-06-05 21:14
Flag checks out abi
2019-06-05 21:39
attaturk stupid turkish atheist spotted
2019-06-06 14:03
nt napoleoshitte
2019-06-06 14:29
Yeah sure lmao
2019-06-08 01:41
he says military not politic
2019-06-08 10:21
Has to be Khalid Bin Walid. He defeated both the Roman & Persian Empires while outnumbered & with lesser quailty Troops (so the history says...). He won over 100 Battles. General Zhukov deserves a mention at least, he masterminded the defeat of Nazi Germany. How many Battles did he win ? Ghengis Khan was nothing more than a mass murderer, he killed 1/40th of all of the Humans who were alive at that Time. So he was a Genocidal Maniac, who killed without mercy. Stalin was also a Genocidal Maniac, first he murdered his way to the Top in the Soviet Union & then he really started to kill people. He also Trusted Adolf Hitler & then allowed his armies to butcher the RED Army and massive numbers of Soviet Civilians in the first year of Operation Barbarossa.
2019-06-05 21:13
+1 for Khalid Ibn Al-Waleed light cavarly OP
2019-06-05 21:17
+1 for Khalid ibn Walid and I love his qoute: "may the eyes of the coward never sleep"
2019-06-05 21:26
+1 ez4 Khalid Ibn Waleed R.A.
2019-06-05 21:41
+1
2019-06-06 14:03
Discredited everything you said after that mad hysteria about Stalin, he's actually a hero and deserves being mentioned among the tops.
2019-06-08 05:33
What I read and know is that zhukov only commanded troops from Western Ukraine in 1944 till Berlin but he was an adjutant at Stavka planning things
2019-06-08 18:05
Hannibal Barca Alexander the Great Alexander Suvorov
2019-06-05 21:16
#115
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Romania Infumee1 
Osama ben laden or pablo escobar and el chapo
2019-06-05 21:25
sun tzu duh
2019-06-05 21:27
Robert E. Lee
2019-06-05 21:32
Admiral-General Aladeen
2019-06-05 21:33
but hes not the legitimate leader
2019-06-06 14:15
Ghengis Khan or Mao
2019-06-05 21:33
Cao Cao
2019-06-05 21:36
Hannibal, Alexander the great, Caesar. Not the greatest in the world but the greatest from sweden and arguably a top 10 general in history Gustavus Adolphus
2019-06-05 21:38
#129
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France Guedain 
Hannibal and Leonidas
2019-06-05 21:38
#130
KRIMZ | 
Poland krwc 
czyngis kurwa chan
2019-06-05 21:39
#132
stinx | 
Sweden günT 
not the best but how is not gustavus adolphus' name listed here
2019-06-05 21:40
because nobody cares about some swedish village boy OmegaLuL
2019-06-05 22:47
#156
stinx | 
Sweden günT 
Except pretty much every expert on the subject ever "OmegaLuL"
2019-06-05 23:39
*swedish ”expert” LoL
2019-06-06 00:15
m8 nobody has even heard of that treechopper outside of Sweden.
2019-06-06 00:16
#165
stinx | 
Sweden günT 
well that's definitely not the case. -considered to be the father of modern warfare -deemed by napoleon (and others) to be a general needed to be studied to become an expert in war tactics -the most influential individual in one of history's most key conflicts kek
2019-06-06 01:33
+1 you have to be ignorant not to now about him.
2019-06-06 01:50
nt swedish boy
2019-06-06 09:13
Except I'm not.
2019-06-06 13:45
thats what a swedishboy faking his flag would say
2019-06-06 13:58
K donc t'as été bercé trop près d'un coin de table en fait, toi.
2019-06-06 19:23
Je ne sais si vous avez déjà essayé de vous reproduire avec une poupée gonflable, mais si c’est le cas votre génome doit avoir été bercé trop près du mur.
2019-06-06 21:51
Tu fais toujours aucun sens, sorry m8
2019-06-06 21:54
Bien essayé la Suède
2019-06-06 21:55
B. H. Liddell Hart says it is an exaggeration to credit him with a uniquely disciplined conscript army, or call his the first military state to fight a protracted war on the continent. He argues that he improved existing techniques and used them brilliantly. Richard Brzezinski says his legendary status was based on inaccurate myths created by later historians. Many of his innovations were developed by his senior staff. nt swedishboy fan of swedish general
2019-06-06 09:21
#232
stinx | 
Sweden günT 
you do realize we can keep listing names here, but it won't change the general (hehe) consensus. he's not the greatest of all time, or even the 5th greatest, but if you're compiling lists like these his name should and will appear
2019-06-06 15:20
greatest at conquering village peasants maybe OmegaLuL
2019-06-06 15:57
I thought that clausewitz was literally called the father of modern warfare
2019-06-08 18:03
#231
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Greenland xen_ 
i am not familiar with that period of war in that region, sorry!
2019-06-06 15:00
Khalid Ibn Walid without aby doubt.
2019-06-05 21:40
+1
2019-06-05 21:40
+1
2019-06-06 14:02
#137
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Sweden Liinkan 
Gustavus Adolphus
2019-06-05 21:41
probably joseph stalin or hirohito:)))))0000
2019-06-05 21:43
#230
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Greenland xen_ 
>hirohito why?
2019-06-06 14:59
cuz he fucked chinas ass and would fuck usa too if no nuke
2019-06-07 10:18
Yeah but they did have Nuke. So what's your point? It's like saying: Team X would have beaten Team Y if Team X were better. Well no shit
2019-06-08 01:08
do u know why? cause japan is poor with nature resources we have only iron and thats all. but not usa LOL they GET every resources and they were still losing every single battle, also japan didnt lost we just capitulate cause civilian casualities.
2019-06-08 09:13
Lol wtf this is hoi4 or what?
2019-06-08 18:02
Meiji and ieyasu were def better than hirohito my friend
2019-06-08 01:43
suck dick.
2019-06-08 09:13
There were so many brilliant strategists and tacticians - you can't name just one. Caesar is definitely a solid choice, though.
2019-06-05 21:44
#142
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Russia ViktorSteel 
Bernard Montgomery
2019-06-05 21:48
#241
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Europe Instabait 
Bernard Montgomery in Africa maybe, but Bernard Montgomery in France LOL
2019-06-06 15:59
KACZYNSKI
2019-06-05 21:49
+1
2019-06-06 15:59
#148
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United States codgun 
PresidentTrik obviously
2019-06-05 22:00
ursula von der leyen
2019-06-05 22:43
Caesar & Napoleon ye
2019-06-05 22:54
G.G.E Mannerheim
2019-06-06 00:17
#162
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France Il_padrino 
Napoléon (and his 26 marshals) Philippe ll Auguste Charlemagne
2019-06-06 00:26
#163
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Turkey FSM36 
1.Djengiz Khan (by far) 2.Timur Lenk 3.I'd say Sultan Suleyman or Fatih the Conqueror ( all have turkic blood :D )
2019-06-06 00:31
Subutai
2019-06-06 01:51
Alp Arslan Fatih Sultan Mehmed Recep Tayyip Erdogan
2019-06-06 01:52
oh wai....
2019-06-06 14:30
Erdogan
2019-06-06 09:18
The Ludendorff & Hindenburg couple
2019-06-06 13:47
Bit obscure, but Mannerheim, the guy who was the commander in chief for the winning side in the Finnish civil war and during world war 2. Clearly recked the ruskies at least.
2019-06-06 13:50
Oi maamme
2019-06-08 18:01
#190
ZywOo | 
France Qaze 
Napoleon obviously, hardest opponents, most victorious general
2019-06-06 14:01
#229
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Greenland xen_ 
flag checks out xd
2019-06-06 14:59
KHALID IBN WALID NAPOLEON GENGHIS KHAN HTILER WAS STUPID SURROUNDED BY GENIUS LIKE GUDERIAN AND ROMMEL AND CESAR OFC
2019-06-06 14:02
Lmao nobody talks about Guderian,i felt bad. He was literally the godfather of mobility and tanks
2019-06-08 01:45
#194
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Europe Cr3eP_70 
Leonídas
2019-06-06 14:03
General Patton ... 1. and 2. worldwar ... took out Hitler in NorthAfrica, Italy, South France and Germany
2019-06-06 14:04
#197
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Denmark Dev0ur^ 
Montgomery?
2019-06-06 14:05
Monty was only famous because he first came to Germany and Denmark ... but that was because General Patton kicked Hitler's ass long before it ... - no defense back in Germany, - so you can say Monty had a walkover
2019-06-06 14:13
bs he did do some more research
2019-06-06 14:14
my great great great uncle on my mums side. don't understand why people listened to the bullshit americans said about him after the war
2019-06-06 14:15
mao and stalin killed more commies than rest of the world combined
2019-06-06 14:05
Zhukov,Suvorov.
2019-06-06 14:20
#213
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United States Equinox2018 
zhukov #1 amazing retaliation to force germans out of russia so close yet so far in the end, blitzkrieg failed them because tanks were too fast and infantry was too slow if they pushed as a whole unit, then they 100% could have taken moscow, ended the eastern front, and pummel the UK
2019-06-06 14:29
#204
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Serbia dukeny 
General Ratko Mladic, Radovan Karadzic or probably Ljubisa Savic 'Mauzer' also General Dragoljub Draza Mihajlovic
2019-06-06 14:21
#205
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Turkey nopaznowin 
ATATURK
2019-06-06 14:24
#208
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Spain mokerz 
Gengis Kan not bad but honestly Adolph was the number 1 on it
2019-06-06 14:26
Ramesses II - enough said.
2019-06-06 14:28
id say C.G.E. Mannerheim, as he pushed back the soviets and kept our independence against evil soviet union.
2019-06-06 14:28
Hannibal is the best imo, perhaps not the most successful but definitely the best tactician of all time.
2019-06-06 14:30
#217
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United States Equinox2018 
Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, Zhukov
2019-06-06 14:30
#220
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Brazil m16r_0 
as a personality hitler
2019-06-06 14:34
#222
Dosia | 
Russia R3qq1 
Suvorov ofc. Never lost a battle.Won many battles in the minority
2019-06-06 14:37
Pinochet <3
2019-06-06 14:37
#228
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Greenland xen_ 
+1 nice
2019-06-06 14:58
+1 best
2019-06-06 22:58
Karl XII
2019-06-06 15:37
#234
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Denmark EricoviC 
Suleyman the magnificient
2019-06-06 15:49
#263
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Asia tyrkjaranid 
overrated af
2019-06-06 22:56
my homeboy Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim so great a legend in the finnish and Russian army at the same time, absolutely tactical genius.
2019-06-06 15:52
just like aleksib then)))))
2019-06-06 15:59
Roberto Biedroń
2019-06-06 16:01
Kim Jong Il : resisting despite the whole world against him Troll aside, I'm not very aware on that subject. To me, you can judge the quality of a military leader by the amount of loss on his side, vs the gain he got. Said otherwise the cost/reward ratio he's got. Also, winning outnumbered battles is a must to be considered. From my little knowledge, I'd say Alexander the Great should be a serious competitor.
2019-06-06 16:05
#248
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Finland Love_God 
Mannerheim)))
2019-06-06 16:24
8D
2019-06-06 16:26
#250
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Hungary HAS12 
Lukas Bohm Rosenbauer
2019-06-06 16:29
#254
f0rest | 
Brazil Nisai 
Erwin Rommel
2019-06-06 19:39
Alexander The Great and Julius Caesar.
2019-06-06 19:51
#271
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Germany Vini_1337 
in terms of actually participating in the battle: Erwin Rommel In terms of leading: Either Hitler or Churchill
2019-06-07 10:32
Can't believe hardly anyone mentioned the guy who literally wrote the book on military warfare which would help create many of the people you talk about. Sun Tzu. When it comes to leadership, everyone mentioned here are candidates; but respect must be given to those that created something from nothing.
2019-06-07 10:46
#273
blacK | 
Namibia Toonga 
Genghis khan was a madlad.
2019-06-07 10:48
Arthur Wellesley
2019-06-07 13:05
#278
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Turkey Rjea 
Arthur Wellesley, Sun Tzu
2019-06-07 13:08
#279
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Poland Kleigen 
Napoleon - he was tactical genius who fought against all of the Europe in the beginning of XIX century.
2019-06-07 13:09
#280
Magisk | 
Armenia s1xX 
Sun Tzu and Erwin Rommel
2019-06-07 13:11
mubariz ibrahimov xD
2019-06-08 17:53
#405
s1 | 
Armenia gr1nch 
what about another hero? Ramil Safarov
2019-06-08 18:06
i don't consider him as a hero
2019-06-08 19:56
#281
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United States Roseberg 
genghis khan hitler
2019-06-07 13:16
#282
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Algeria abdodz45 
Kim Jong-un
2019-06-07 13:18
karadzic
2019-06-07 13:19
Gla1ve
2019-06-07 13:33
#289
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Denmark EyesWallow 
Attila the Hun, there is no doubt about it
2019-06-07 13:33
#290
fnx | 
Portugal lovessd 
Skynet
2019-06-07 13:36
#292
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United States ClickHole 
Ho Chi Minh
2019-06-07 13:36
#293
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Turkey TheGreaTTest 
Winston Churchill one of the best for sure he was leading both world wars and succeed
2019-06-07 13:41
Planned and executed Gallipoli btw and it succeeded very nicely
2019-06-08 18:00
Vladimir Putin mens))) 😎
2019-06-07 13:45
Dosia
2019-06-07 13:46
#297
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Finland suxiboxi1 
Erwin Rommel maybe
2019-06-07 13:51
#298
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Finland puff1n 
Helmuth von Moltke creating modern battle tactics
2019-06-07 13:56
#304
fer | 
Brazil Vilarrel 
Leon Trótsky
2019-06-08 01:13
Guderian Yamamoto Meiji Rommel Hassan-i Sabbah
2019-06-08 01:50
Suvorov.../close
2019-06-08 05:56
#335
pronax | 
Russia Ducat 
+1
2019-06-08 06:15
Not the best but Boudicca has to be my favorite. Best is probably Hannibal
2019-06-08 06:04
To not sound repetitive, I'm going to say Gustavus Adolphus. He worked with Sweden's rather poor manpower, and bad equipment. His revolutionary tactics made artillery what it is today, and what it was after him. Truly one of the greatest generals ever born, he also was brave enough to fight on the front lines, which sadly took him before his time at the Battle of Lützen, one of the most important battle of the Thirty Years War which the Protestant League won.
2019-06-08 06:15
#368
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Pakistan ostraka 
I only know this guy from Civ V LUL
2019-06-08 14:23
He basically made artillery more mobile in battle.
2019-06-08 14:28
#372
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Pakistan ostraka 
how can one make artillery mobile?
2019-06-08 14:40
By applying mobility tactics to said artillery units, rather than just keeping them behind troop formations on a hill. But what was more important was making artillery lighter, and utilising lighter artillery in general. This light artillery was able to only be used by three men, too. thepirateking.com/images/cannon_light_ar.. As you can see, that artillery piece could be picked up at the end and quickly moved to another spot due to their small and light (in terms of weight) nature. For scale, one of the biggest cannons utilised, the Dardanelles gun created by the Ottomans: historyanswers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/.. (Not to imply that this cannon size was the norm)
2019-06-08 14:51
Trump
2019-06-08 06:29
Alexander the great, Caesar, Djengis Khan tier 1 no1 close Tier 2 Hitler and Napoleon. Both rekted by Russians at the end
2019-06-08 06:32
#345
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Japan @0x0 
Matsui
2019-06-08 08:32
Rommel No doubt
2019-06-08 14:21
#367
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Pakistan ostraka 
Genghis Khan. Although he was a brutal evil man, there's no denying that he was one of the best military minds in world history.
2019-06-08 14:23
Ataturk
2019-06-08 14:41
Stalin didn't planned Battle strategies and Hitler was a peanutbrain who've turned the war for USSR because of his stupid decisions. Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan are the best imo. Ataturk, Suvorov, Zhukov and Mehmet the Conquerer also deserves a shot
2019-06-08 16:55
#428
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France Il_padrino 
+1
2019-06-08 19:53
Oda Nobunaga.
2019-06-08 16:58
Naruto
2019-06-08 18:05
Naruto shit for kids.
2019-06-08 19:51
Oda was just a snake, but his plan worked so he also deserves a good spot.
2019-06-08 19:55
#379
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Denmark MR_JOHN_WICK 
Tarik ibn Ziyad
2019-06-08 17:05
Gengis Khan
2019-06-08 17:55
Mannerheim <3
2019-06-08 17:58
Also Mao. Took over one of the biggest countries with just a peasant army. Fucking commie swine
2019-06-08 18:01
Bolsonaro. Ofc it was Stalin, probably in the whole history
2019-06-08 18:03
#397
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Brazil prkz0r 
George W. Bush
2019-06-08 18:03
I'm surprised you failed to include Ghengis Khan. I'd vote for him or Napoleon
2019-06-08 18:05
Gengis khan
2019-06-08 18:05
Trump
2019-06-08 18:05
#403
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Turkey xerbuf 
Skenderbeu Sultan Mehmet ATATURK II.Kaiser Wilhelm Timurid Ghengis Han pick 1
2019-06-08 18:05
Ceasar was a great tactician and an excellent strategist
2019-06-08 18:05
Napoleon
2019-06-08 18:13
saladin
2019-06-08 18:20
#415
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Germany Youngnibba 
Adolf
2019-06-08 18:26
Gandalf all the way
2019-06-08 18:28
Sun Tzu was a philosopher, not a commander.
2019-06-08 18:30
Putin
2019-06-08 18:32
Thank men))
2019-06-08 19:56
Rommel. Was respected more than Hitler by his soldiers plus forces under his command never committed a war crime or at least weren't charged for committing one, probably the most honorable nazi; if Germans didn't lose in Europe, he'd have finished North Africa and then finally conquered the Middle-East.
2019-06-08 18:42
Vice-Admiral Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson, 1st Duke of Bronté. No doubt about it.
2019-06-08 18:40
Kutuzov , Bagration , Kolchak , Potyomkin
2019-06-08 19:03
Robert Baratheon
2019-06-08 19:58
#434
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Sweden DanzigOrWar 
Rommel but too bad no supplies if he had supplies would have conquered Africa like it was nothing
2019-06-08 20:40
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