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NRG now and then
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Sweden Lagge15 
As most of you know Stanislaw will replace Daps in NRG: hltv.org/news/27055/nrg-add-stanislaw-be.. Earlier this year Tarik replaced Fugly: hltv.org/news/26189/nrg-make-tarik-signi.. The earlier team was quite simple. Ethan joined in January and was more or less exactly what the lineup needed. A star fragger that can open up games, sites and plays. Someone that just helps the team be able to do their thing. From January 2018 (when Ethan/nahtE joined) to February 2019 NRG went from #29 in the world to #4 in the world. They ground throw one year as a team. Each and everyone slowly got more and more recognition as it happened but the team never got the recognition it deserved... not until February 2019 when they reached their highes rank in HLTV. The team really played as a team. They played together. They played great and most oponents tried to avoid them. They were really good. They were without a doubt the 2nd best team in NA and still showing improvements. Who knew how far this TEAM could go? Sure CerQ, Ethan and Brehze were known to be great individual players, but the strength for the team was the team play. So how do you improve a team that reach its peak? Do we know if they got their peak or not? What the org decided to do was to bring in Tarik, who was benched in MIBR. Most NA teams would LOVE to have Tarik in their team. The experience, the frag power, the 200IQ potential. He is an ideal player for almost all teams in the world. But not for teams that rely on the TEAM. NRG (the org) went by kicking low fragging support element that was as a pillar for what NRG built during 2018. It is somewhat understandable, but I say this made the core concept that brought NRG to #4 in the world a bit shaky. They got there by teamwork and clear cut roles and a specific play by the players and now they needed to change because of the roster change. So even though I understand the idea behind it I was reluctant to it. A few months later we all saw the results. They got more kills, perhaps even more rounds, but lacked stability. The stability that was their trademark. So much that Thorin (doesn't matter what you or I think about him) tweeted this: twitter.com/Thooorin/status/988863820226.. And today we got it! They changed IGL. Could be the most stupid idea I've ever heard of. Sure I think Stanislaw is an underrated IGL and a better fragger than Daps. But this also undermines everything that happened during 2018 and early 2019. This just blows everything out and they now need to rebuild the team. Daps built a powerhouse but is not allowed to reap the benefits of it? Fugly built the team but is now part of Envy? The worst itteration of Envy. I truelly hope Daps goes orgless soon and create a team built around him, Fugly and next kicked player from NRG, or some FPL stars! That team will within a year be better than anything that Stansilaw can build with this NRG squad.
2019-06-11 20:46
#1
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United States Sdsutton 
Dude they still better have results with Tarik than fugly.
2019-06-11 20:51
#3
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Sweden Lagge15 
"A few months later we all saw the results. They got more kills, perhaps even more rounds, but lacked stability. " I agree. But the core changed and so did the reasons for the rounds, maps, matches and points.
2019-06-11 20:49
#12
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United States Sdsutton 
It’s because if Tarik can have just as many BOT games as Fugly but Tarik can give them THAT game that they need to win.
2019-06-11 20:53
#15
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Sweden Lagge15 
I understand why they chose Tarik over Fugly, most people would have done it! I am just one of the few who wouldn't- If I wanted Tarik I most likely would have benched Brehze or Ethan!
2019-06-11 20:54
#22
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United States Sdsutton 
Hmmm IDK I just think Support players need to have IMPACT , which Tarik can definitely do.
2019-06-11 20:57
#26
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United States Sdsutton 
Also Ethan and Brehze are their best players.
2019-06-11 21:03
#27
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Sweden Lagge15 
You probably want Vitality to kick RPK
2019-06-11 21:04
#37
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United States Sdsutton 
Actually don’t because don’t think there is anyone is The French scene that can do what he can do besides Kio and Kio seems like the problem tbh.
2019-06-11 21:53
#43
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Sweden Lagge15 
Amanek, Jackz, Bodyy?
2019-06-11 22:09
#51
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United States Sdsutton 
Body is bad, Amanek is on g2 and so is Jackz so that’s not going to happen soon so Kio is the only one available.
2019-06-11 22:15
#79
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Sweden Lagge15 
There are probably someone available for the part. French teams are just really bad at picking from FPL or low tier
2019-06-12 00:53
bodyy? what?
2019-06-12 00:39
Not right now, but actually I would if they can't reach the level which they desire through their ambitions. NBK and ALEX are already very capable supportive elements, with NBK playing entry quite a lot these days and ALEX just any given position. RpK is playing very passively, he isn't involved in any opening duels. Granted, he doesn't get all the resources, but neither do the other two. You could easily add someone like kennyS to AWP instead of ZywOo, who would then go back to rifling, which, for anyone who has followed him long enough, he can do just as well or even better than AWPing. My philosophy is that a team should ideally have three players whom you give all resources, while the remaining two take any remaining role. I'd call this a 3-2 balance, with 3 denoting the former and 2 the latter. Vitality have 2-3 balance, which isn't bad, but not ideal in my opinion. Again, I'm not saying they should do this move now. It is desirable, but not necessary, as I call it. As for NRG, FugLy wasn't that great of a supportive player to begin with. Granted, he did his job, but in my personal opinion, at times it's more important to have an additional fragger, depending on how good the supportive player in question is.
2019-06-11 22:05
#44
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Sweden Lagge15 
That is a take I haven't had in mind. With more and more calling going through Alex they could bring in an Entry and use NBK as support and still maintain the basics idea of the team
2019-06-11 22:10
That's a way of doing it, though I suppose if they wanted anyone else to entry they could still use apEX, and bring in someone like shox to play in the mid round (provided that he and NBK get along). Personally I'd love to see kennyS there, I think he'd be really motivated to play on a high level again. Right now it's all wishful thinking, and that's fine, Vitality need to realize how far they can go without touching anything. They don't have a real weak link, even RpK does his job to an average level at least. But once they've hit their ceiling, provided that they're not top 1 (which I personally dare doubt as of now), this kind of speculation becomes especially interesting. The French scene is undoubtedly regenerating, and even though a lot of it is just the older players playing better again (except for ZywOo of course), still we finally get to see what fans of this region have always wished for: The old legends, almost all of whom still are good enough to play at a high level, forming a team which actually emphasizes cohesiveness, but also has a good mix of individual skill.
2019-06-11 23:39
#68
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Sweden Lagge15 
The problem with RPK is that people don't really get that kind of role and what type of impact he has with his information and utility play. The idea NBK had when he created Vitality was more or less built around RPK and I love it. Lets just think out loud for a moment: Teams like FaZe and NaVi keep building around there star players and have everyone else adapt to them.Right? But a chain isn't stronger than it's weakest link? So why not build around the support player and let him create space for the others (like Vitality). Is it easier for the one with most skill to adapt his gameplay or the one with the least skill?
2019-06-11 23:58
Well, the greater player has more skill than the lesser player, thus he should be able to adapt more easily. However, I personally found that this doesn't always work out. Greater players tend to have a greater ego. Star players tend to hone their skills and use them to their maximum potential, but perhaps they gradually lose track of the other aspects to the game, meaning that they may experience a loss of identity should a role swap occur. That's why to me it would seem more reasonable to build your team around your star player. If they cannot play to their fullest potential, the team is unlikely to achieve what they desire. Of course, this is a somewhat one dimensional way of looking at it, one cannot break down teams this easily, but consider this: in spite of what you said about Vitality originally being built around RpK, I don't think they'd have achieved anything close to what they did without ZywOo. He gets all the resources, and no matter how good RpK is at relaying what is happening in places where the rest of the team isn't at, without ZywOo they wouldn't be able to convert any of that into round victories. In others words: I personally believe that, if Vitality swapped out RpK for another player, they could still be as good as or arguably even better than right now. However, I do not see even the slightest chance of Vitality improving without ZywOo compared to now. Teams tend to build around their most impactful players, and these tend to be the team's star players at the same time.
2019-06-12 15:36
#100
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Sweden Lagge15 
So more or less like NiKo and S1mple? LUL
2019-06-12 15:41
Which part of my statement are you associating with s1mple and NiKo? I'm confused.
2019-06-12 16:57
#102
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Sweden Lagge15 
"Star players tend to hone their skills and use them to their maximum potential, but perhaps they gradually lose track of the other aspects to the game" They have lost focus on how 5 players win the games and play as if one player is stronger than 5.
2019-06-12 17:22
#33
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United States Trump2020KAG 
I don’t see how this team can get worse. Stan and Tarik optic boys Stan and Tarik can both igl They will click. As long as brez Ethan and cerq play on same level they will be good. Real good. Top3-5 team easily.
2019-06-11 21:35
#46
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Sweden Lagge15 
It is just a too big change for the players. I think it wont work.
2019-06-11 22:10
They are the flukest teams of the flukes. They are only relevant because other teams are just bad/not in form.
2019-06-11 20:49
#6
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United States Sdsutton 
I thought Asians were smart, not delusional
2019-06-11 20:50
Flag checks out
2019-06-11 20:50
#36
s1mple | 
Europe Sam2k 
no scene checks out
2019-06-11 21:51
#9
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Sweden Lagge15 
So they continually ground through the CS:GO scene because other teams were bad?
2019-06-11 20:51
We have a fuckin ENCE and FURIA in top 5, competition is very weak atm
2019-06-11 20:53
#16
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Sweden Lagge15 
ENCE is the 2nd best playing team in the world right now and deserve to be there. Furia ground as well and deserve to be there. The CS:GO scene is slowly changing, I hope the dinosaurs eventually will realize it.
2019-06-11 20:54
#31
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Switzerland MRKNUSPER 
new guys challenge the top = weak scene?
2019-06-11 21:19
+1 most exciting the scene has been in more than a year
2019-06-11 22:00
#34
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United States Trump2020KAG 
Dude if u think ence is a bad team u got issues. Sure it was a meme team and possible a fluke major run but they proved they are legit with the past events they played. And furia is still up in the air. Played good but got shit on zywoo.
2019-06-11 21:46
#42
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Sweden Lagge15 
I agree. Richard Lewis and Thorén talked about it in a very good way in Retur by the Numbers
2019-06-11 22:08
bro, dont mention their names, 'everyone' hates them for some reason. I think they are funny, but as soon as i mention them when talking about people who have an 'inside scoop' i get shit on
2019-06-11 23:06
#63
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Sweden Lagge15 
yeah I know. I don't get it. Sure it is a lot of bantering and stupid "arguments" but the core idea of what they talk about is usually quite nice and even if I don't agree with them half the time doesn't mean I can't learn a thing or two by listening to them
2019-06-11 23:07
yeah, they provide some good insight into what is going on. Same with HLTV confirmed.
2019-06-11 23:09
#82
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Sweden Lagge15 
Haven't watched one single confirmed yet.
2019-06-12 00:59
it is pretty good, not as much banter as By the numbers, but do have a fantasy section (if you like that sort of thing).
2019-06-12 20:45
Such an easy cop out to say these teams are “Flukes”. Ence, Furia and Vitality are all good teams that made it to top of the rankings fairly. -10 IQ users “Duhhurrr they only won t2 events”
2019-06-11 21:59
tldr
2019-06-11 20:49
#11
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Sweden Lagge15 
it happens!
2019-06-11 20:51
Very nice work and accurate!
2019-06-11 20:49
#7
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Sweden Lagge15 
Thanks! I do these from time to time but will eventually move it onto youtube
2019-06-11 20:50
Do give me the link once you go online.
2019-06-11 20:51
no please
2019-06-11 20:53
#17
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Sweden Lagge15 
You are allowed to not watch... or watch. I actually don't care!
2019-06-11 20:55
tell me your youtube channel when you get there
2019-06-11 23:06
dude NRG was done the moment they signed tarik for FugLy adding stanislaw for daps is now the most logical step to make it somehow work
2019-06-11 20:55
#19
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Sweden Lagge15 
So next move is to kick CerQ to bring in Ska if he comes back from retirement?
2019-06-11 20:56
60 IQ reaction
2019-06-11 20:57
#28
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Sweden Lagge15 
Just trying to follow the train of thoughts here!
2019-06-11 21:09
you arent, Skadoodle is too bad to be what is suiting NRG right now you are just unable to understand a different point of view
2019-06-11 21:10
the way they could get even better is if they do -cerq +wardell or autimatic cerq is good yes, but way overrated. He crumbles alot under pressure.
2019-06-12 09:57
#94
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah true. With Ghost being so far below atm Wardell should be a possible signing
2019-06-12 10:09
NRG now/will be still shit tier3 team probably 6months disband bye
2019-06-11 20:57
#24
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Sweden Lagge15 
Nah. They will remain around 20-30th rank and play decent CS from yime to time
2019-06-11 21:03
Gold rush syndrome has claimed its fair share of voctims. I will miss nrg
2019-06-11 21:00
#25
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Sweden Lagge15 
+1
2019-06-11 21:03
I CALLED IT MULTIPLE TIMES ! Finally +Stan Finally , good move NRG. Hope you get gud finally and be more consistent!
2019-06-11 21:13
#41
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Sweden Lagge15 
I think it is a bad move in context of why NRG got good in the first place
2019-06-11 22:07
Because of daps?
2019-06-12 01:22
#93
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yes! The style they play and the reason for brehze, Ethan and CerQ to perform is because of Daps
2019-06-12 10:06
Stan style is loose as well. It's not like "super structured" igl. But there'll be a bit more discipline for sure. But that's just my opinion. Time will tell. His style worked really well for Col/Optic but not that good for Liquid (well he was not happy of being Liquid member so may that caused the issue).
2019-06-12 21:49
#112
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Sweden Lagge15 
Except for the majors his style didn't work for CoL and it only worked with certain players in OpTic. I think he is a good IGL, don't get me wrong, but with a new IGL comes a new playbook and the old playbook was the reason for NRG success
2019-06-12 22:01
Roster longevity will obviously be a concern. However, I see very little downside to the roster change, tbh. At least with how NRG have been playing lately. NRG have always struggled with their CT sides. If this team plays like the old OpTic, stanislaw's ability to create space will do a ton for the rest of the players. Also, stanislaw won't find himself LMS as often as daps which implies he will often be more involved in the round. Which is also a good thing imo.
2019-06-11 21:29
#48
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah. I don't doubt Stan is a good IGL. I actually like him and think CoL should have let him build a team around his vision. But with the core still remain ing in NRG it wont be Stans game and it wont be NRG game.
2019-06-11 22:12
I see some potential out there. He did wonders with Optic and coL. Even tho dephh took the credits in the end.
2019-06-12 01:24
#35
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Japan Jotaro 
stan is a team destroyer rip nrg
2019-06-11 21:50
completely agree I just think stan worked imo daps´ structure and igl style was one of the main reasons why this squad worked in the first place
2019-06-11 22:10
#49
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Sweden Lagge15 
Yeah. But sadly also why they sometimes didn't work
2019-06-11 22:12
Not gonna argue on that one :D
2019-06-12 09:45
daps is a fucking bot
2019-06-11 22:11
#50
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Sweden Lagge15 
So is Zeus. You wanna kick him?
2019-06-11 22:13
#52
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United States Sdsutton 
+1000000000000
2019-06-11 22:17
#53
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United States Sdsutton 
He makes Zeus look like a good individual and Zeus steps on career defining games imo unlike daps.
2019-06-11 22:17
Daps didn't give enough space to tarik to integrate with the team. Instead, he directly replaced Fugly with tarik on most maps(e.g. overpass, which went from NRG's strongest maps to one of the weakest) Also, the team hit a stagnant phase with only top4 finishes but no further. Surely, with 2 new players in Tarik and Stan, the team will have big changes in-game and with 5-fragging players instead of 4.. this team could go to new heights and maybe win titles
2019-06-11 22:18
#60
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Sweden Lagge15 
Most likely because he didn't wanna make the roster change. he had what he wanted and needed for his idea.
2019-06-11 23:05
#55
s1mple | 
Germany IamNada 
little agree with u... this change shouldnt be happen
2019-06-11 22:18
#56
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United States Sdsutton 
Would you keep Zeus on NA’VI?
2019-06-11 22:19
#57
s1mple | 
Germany IamNada 
to be honest yes... and change beetwen edward or flamie / 2 of them, they did on edward..
2019-06-11 22:25
#58
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United States Sdsutton 
Yeah sometimes I feel like Zeus needs to be removed and sometimes I don’t, tbh I don’t know. -flamie btw
2019-06-11 22:28
#59
s1mple | 
Germany IamNada 
same about zeus, but i think he did his job as IGL, but imo flamie and edward are very bad form for a long time..
2019-06-11 22:35
The reached their peak with Daps as an IGL. They started to flatline a bit so a change in IGL was probably necessary. This is the same series of events Optic went through. Give Stan the reigns with this talent and he can do great things.
2019-06-11 23:10
#66
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Sweden Lagge15 
Didn't OpTic disband becauae of these events?
2019-06-11 23:11
Stan left first after some disappointing results but point being, he made them elite and they won a premier tournament. Daps has never been able to do that with any team, not to mention Stan is overall just a better IGL than Daps if you look at both of their achievements. This is a good gamble. They won't disband they have way more talent than 2016 Optic had.
2019-06-12 00:24
#69
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United States SAMARXD 
As a NRG fan, I don’t love or hate the move. Daps pissed me off sometimes but he was genuine and really wanted NRG to be better. He still had the passion to play unlike other washed up pros. I can’t judge Stan rn because he hasn’t been to may T1 events yet, but I hope this move works out.
2019-06-12 00:07
#70
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United States Sdsutton 
Daps top 1 baiter imo, he was last alive almost every and it got really annoying.
2019-06-12 00:12
#71
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United States SAMARXD 
IMO after Fugly left Daps took a step back from his fragging power because of the Team aspect that people have been talking about. I believe this team is better, but the system that Daps created in 2018 worked really well. If Daps can recreate that with another team he will be very successful.
2019-06-12 00:15
#72
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United States Sdsutton 
+1 with his scouting ability, he can do it
2019-06-12 00:16
#73
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United States SAMARXD 
He can do I good job in Complexity, they have a good awper in ShaZam and a rising star in oBo. -Rickeh and complexity can rebuild
2019-06-12 00:22
#76
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United States Sdsutton 
I was think Envy but COM could be decent.
2019-06-12 00:27
#77
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United States SAMARXD 
Envy is not a very appealing place to many NA prospects, and they haven’t been trying to buy out other contracts either.
2019-06-12 00:35
IGLs that can’t frag and only call are out of style. Teams like North, Furia, Vitality even with ALEX have all made leaps above teams with traditional IGLs. Having a 5th player that can reliably frag is more valuable in today’s game than ever before. Oh and let’s not forget about the top 3 teams in the world all have fragging IGLs.
2019-06-12 00:27
#81
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Sweden Lagge15 
To have a team that is built around team play is more important. Structure and roles mean more for the teams you mention. Just watch MSL. He nearly made two teams go to ECS finals same season. Daps might be worse than Stan in fragging power but he built a team that was #4 before the org started mixing with it!
2019-06-12 00:56
#80
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Germany istheGOAT 
tldr
2019-06-12 00:54
#83
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Chile StfanoLELE 
"That team will within a year be better than anything that Stansilaw can build with this NRG squad" Why do u think that Stan can't do smth nice with this team? U can see the future lr what? Who the fuck do u think u r dude kkk delusional
2019-06-12 01:01
#84
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Sweden Lagge15 
It takes time to build stuff. The NRG core that Daps had played for more than a year. It was only Ethan that joined in January 2018 and that why I used that date. If Stan is gonna build something he most likely need more time. The initial period will be great but then they will slowly drop off and depending on the comfort the org have in the roster even more changes will be made and that will just make it less stable. What build this NRG was stability and a Structure made for 5 specific players. Only 3 of them remain and two of the core players are gone. Perhaps I am wrong but I don't see any NA IGL do what Daps did in 12 months time.
2019-06-12 01:07
Stan can this shit team make into top2 with liquid being top1 ofc
2019-06-12 01:39
#88
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Chile StfanoLELE 
I could argue But I don't want to because I think that u are the kind of person that thinks that things are the way they say U are writing opinions as if they were facts, and that's a fact that no one can deny
2019-06-12 02:57
Would like to see Daps on CoL by replacing rickeh (with his experience in LANs, I can def see him shaping obo into the Star player Col needs). Think we could have 3-5 consistent top 30 NA teams.
2019-06-12 03:21
#92
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Netherlands Yourii 
The thing is that we dont know whats happening in the team. They would not replace daps if they think he doing a good job right?
2019-06-12 10:04
#95
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Japan eternaL_ 
I think a while ago, daps said that he would be ready to step down if the right IGL came along. Maybe the players agreed that with Stan available, it was time for that change.
2019-06-12 10:57
#96
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Sweden Lagge15 
The official story is that Daps stepped down. But why do it right before the Min or Qualifier and not right before the player break?
2019-06-12 11:24
#97
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Netherlands Yourii 
Maybe he wants to be anyalist again? Like he did by the faceit major
2019-06-12 13:01
#98
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Sweden Lagge15 
Maybe!
2019-06-12 13:08
#103
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Sweden Lagge15 
This is my guess: twitter.com/JoshNissan/status/1138866769.. Heard it here on HLTV as a rumour about an hour ago but thought thry'd never let Steel go. -Steel -Koosta Does that mean +Daps?
2019-06-12 20:28
#104
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Europe HLTV_Incel 
+1 but retards will never get it, they think getting flashy player over igl or support player who are oil to the engine will make them better, watch nrg stagnate in less than 6 months and then kicking stanislaw in less than year while daps will already have a better ranked team than nrg.
2019-06-12 20:36
#105
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Sweden Lagge15 
Steel got FA less than an hour ago. So my bet is that Daps goes to Ghost. Imagine Wardell under Daps
2019-06-12 20:41
#107
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Europe HLTV_Incel 
i wouldnt count complexity, envy, and c9 out, they will probably try to get him. c9 and envy would probably look for roster moves if they fail at minor which is expected, complexity will cut rickeh after major and maybe sick, they are looking to build a competitive team while also getting backed with lots of money by dallas cowboys, maybe even tsm could try to snatch him since they said they are coming back into csgo.
2019-06-12 20:50
#108
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Sweden Lagge15 
C9 have countless of times been outing their support for Golden. I think Golden is almost as safe in C9 as Autimatic. CoL and Envy could use him but since Ghost haven't had a shot at a Major since Steel joined probably makes them interested in someone like Daps now that Steel is gone.
2019-06-12 20:55
delusional lol....
2019-06-12 20:58
#111
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Sweden Lagge15 
Please elaborate how this is delusional
2019-06-12 21:59
"built up something" this is completely overrated. they are professionals and they will find their style very soon. stanislaw is better than daps and tarik is 100x better than fugly. tl:dr better igl, better support nrg did a huge upgrade
2019-06-12 22:02
#114
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Sweden Lagge15 
In the old version of CS this would be true. Would you change Aerial for Zehn and xSeven for suNny?
2019-06-12 22:07
zehn needs to prove himself. xseven is good and consistent at his role. but -aerial + sunny is really good.
2019-06-12 22:10
#116
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Sweden Lagge15 
You don't care much for Chemistry, tactics, strats and team work do you?
2019-06-12 22:20
overrated good players= good team
2019-06-12 22:21
#118
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Sweden Lagge15 
By that logic XSeven is better than suNny since his team is better and higher ranked. That also means that navi is the best team in the world
2019-06-12 22:23
xseven is a good support and sunny is a mad fragger. ence has only 1 weak link and that is this inconsistent bot called aerial.
2019-06-12 22:25
#120
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Sweden Lagge15 
This is just me taking a guess but you are quite high rank soloQ player, right?
2019-06-12 22:27
grinding atm. 1800 elo right now. but i can easily beat 2k elo guys.
2019-06-12 22:31
#122
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Sweden Lagge15 
I really wish NRG win EPL. Would be so fun. It would show that all that was needed was some pressure off their backs
2019-06-21 10:19
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