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Monkey | 
Colombia TheZookeper 
So recently this quote has come to my attention: "Right-wing ideologies attract people with lower mental abilities because they minimize the complexity of the world" What do you think? Discuss
2019-06-11 21:55
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Bad bait
2019-06-11 21:55
#115
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Poland Hanse 
Acually it's very good and simple bait
2020-01-18 15:41
+1
2020-01-18 16:27
I think the far left and far right both do this. It isn't fair to say that to every right winger though, you can be right wing and not far right
2019-06-11 21:56
That's probably why most scientific countries of their time fallen into far right and far left ideologies.
2019-06-11 22:13
#36
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Tunisia Respecc 
Could you name examples?
2019-06-11 22:20
Germany in the 30's, being world leader in scientific research falling into far right Nazi ideology. Russia, born place of a tremendous amount of worldwide class scientists, authors, philosophers, falling into far left Bolshevik ideology.
2019-06-11 22:23
#54
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Greenland xen_ 
ez rekt
2019-06-11 22:54
Imagine saying "rekt" to a response for a simple question.
2019-06-12 06:33
#109
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Greenland xen_ 
ez rekt
2019-06-12 12:33
Meanwhile: USA, UK, France that were even leaderer in scientific research did not. Even USSR was not as faktup as Germans.
2019-06-11 23:31
#81
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France SpooceCooke 
except you have no idea how close they were... The difference was only ever ina war win or loss For example, in France just before WW2, you had communists demonstrating against fascists already but there is a thing in France called "union sacrée" when France is at war. This means all parties work together towards the success of the war without political mess. If there was no war, France would have most likely fallen into one or the other however. Same in the UK to some extent and the US... the side they chose wasn't even clear until 1942 when Japan declared war on them. Just goes to show that many of their people didn't want to go to war with the nazis for reasons I will let you guess
2019-06-11 23:38
communists are not the opposition of fascists, communists ENFORCE FASCISM.
2020-01-18 15:46
#136
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France SpooceCooke 
both as bad as each other of course, whether you call them left or right, you know what I mean the only difference is that communists unite around their idea of the state and fascists unite under their idea of a leader this post is old wtf tho, how'd you come across it
2020-01-18 16:07
didnt check the age of the post in any way , the fascists also unite around the idea of state, they're literally the 3rd biggest statist out of the radical ideologs.
2020-01-18 16:20
not always, but it can be so. Extremists support facsicsm. They have been right wing too, not only lefty communist fascists. Look in England, the fascists there in early 1900s were entirely right wing.
2020-01-18 16:35
The only communists that haven't enforced fascism were those who didn't hold public office pimpim, what are you saying??? communism in and of itself is an extremely fascistic idea, Fascism is the opression of individual liberties upon innocent citizens, communism by definition NEEDS fascism to be even put in march, you'd need soooo many illegal bruteforce expropriations, confiscations of all kinds of goods and violations of private agreements in contracts and informal exchanges... The only fascist that was truly right winger was Pinochet, the rest were statist trash, therefore, left wingers.
2020-01-18 16:39
#116
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Poland Hanse 
You mix social and economical compass my dude
2020-01-18 15:41
Since national socialism and communism were both social and economical I don't see the problem.
2020-01-18 16:51
Does that matter? The people you speak of make up less than one percent of the population of a country
2019-06-11 22:53
#149
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Iceland fatboislim 
1% is alot
2020-01-18 16:40
+1 people should stop supporting "left" or "right" like it's their favourite football club
2019-06-11 23:59
+1 People treat politics like sports, it's disgusting...
2019-06-12 06:30
#101
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Denmark Notallama 
Yeah, it's mostly people that haven't got a clue about politics in the first place though.
2019-06-12 06:36
#131
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
Ain't that the truth.
2020-01-18 15:55
+1 its so stupid. Hltv political threads are legit shit slinging contests and both sides are equally quilty
2020-01-18 15:35
i think thats an american thing
2020-01-18 15:44
alot of hltv users do this too tbf
2020-01-18 15:53
true
2020-01-18 15:53
#123
OK | 
Peru TheJuan 
+10
2020-01-18 15:46
#145
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Russia MeowZer 
go go RIGHTS UNITED!
2020-01-18 16:28
+1
2019-06-12 06:33
+1
2020-01-18 15:41
#3
mika | 
United States OJSimpson_ 
Occam’s razor, the Less complex the more likely it is true
2019-06-11 21:56
what a stupid argument that is
2019-06-11 21:57
#7
mika | 
United States OJSimpson_ 
no
2019-06-11 22:02
+1
2019-06-11 22:02
#48
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United Kingdom ShreN 
No, Occam's razor states that between two theories that make the same predictions, the one with the least ASSUMPTIONS (NOT less complex) is more likely to be true (the stronger the theory). You're like those 13 year olds who think they are smart by incorrectly pointing out "straw man arguments"
2019-06-11 22:27
Both left and right ideologies are”theories”
2019-06-11 22:28
#51
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United Kingdom ShreN 
Occam's razor doesn't apply, because both theories make different predictions. And it has nothing to do with simplicity.
2019-06-11 22:34
Thanks for destroying him, saved me some time.
2019-06-11 23:45
Occam's razor isn't an absolute law of the universe anyway, and you're still using it wrong as ShreN stated.
2019-06-11 23:26
Just some BS left wingers use as an argument when they are out of real ones.
2019-06-11 21:56
But there is evidence that support their claims. Read: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/..
2019-06-11 22:00
Ok you win. I don't have time Reading through that.
2019-06-11 22:03
Np. I just wanted opinions on the quote
2019-06-11 22:04
#8
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Reunion Esquinox 
I think left and righr don't mean anything. I mean c'mon just turn 180° and you'll see what I mean
2019-06-11 21:58
if in 2019 u still didn't realize no matter what u vote for be it left or right the big corporations and the people financing their campaign has 100 times more influence than the ppl u voted for itself. so ur kinda both mentally unstable.
2019-06-11 22:00
That's a weird way to say "I'm too lazy to go voting"
2019-06-11 22:56
i go vote white/blank for the last 8 years. cuz nothing else is worth it to vote for otherwise one of this 2 idiots will get my vote if i don't even vote at all.
2019-06-12 10:45
real leftists arent financed by big corporations, just look at bernie for example
2020-01-18 15:46
#135
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
Keep telling yourself that. Look up information as to who's funding Bernies campaign and you'll see. Microsoft being one of the bigger contributors as one example.
2020-01-18 16:02
source?
2020-01-18 16:12
#139
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Sweden LimeyGaming 
opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summ.. For one, there's more if you just use google.
2020-01-18 16:13
lol dude learn how to read statistics, thats just microsoft employees. why the fuck would amazon or microsoft donate to their biggest menace
2020-01-18 16:16
So recently this quote has come to my attention: "Left-wing ideologies attract people with lower mental abilities because they minimize the complexity of the world" What do you think? Discuss
2019-06-11 22:00
Bad bait
2019-06-11 22:01
Both true
2019-06-11 22:56
#11
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United States Trump2020KAG 
right wing-construction worker types get dirty and play hard. Left wing- app developer drinks soy lattes all day while wearing a blazer and designer reading glasses
2019-06-11 22:00
Doubts
2019-06-11 22:21
One's making like 30k-50k a year at best for an insanely physically demanding job, the other is making 100k-150k+ a year and has an insanely mentally demanding job.
2019-06-12 06:32
0/8
2020-01-18 16:14
Nope it's the other way around. You can have a hour-long friendly discussion with arguments backed up by science and statistics with a right wing guy. When trying to talk with a left wing they start screaming and call you racist/Homophobic or whatever if you disagree with them.
2019-06-11 22:04
#12
2019-06-11 22:08
Nope.
2019-06-11 22:11
Wait, so you are talking about how right wingers talk with arguments backed by science, but when presented scientific evidence you dismiss it with a simple "no".
2019-06-11 22:26
How is that scientific evidence.
2019-06-11 22:32
Are you sure you opened the link? In case you didnt here is the title of the study: The Association of Cognitive Ability with Right‐wing Ideological Attitudes and Prejudice: A Meta‐analytic Review Read the abstract and see for yourself (or not)
2019-06-11 22:41
#25
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United States skroobdoober 
What kind of leftist? Political? Social? Economic? Or do you mean the modern neoliberal armchair activist? Cause there's a big difference - I'm a leftist and be more than happy to chat with you about whatever. Also important to remember that the social left invented eugenics and social Darwinism while the economic left were Southern Democrats (i.e. supporters of slavery) for much of US history, so any leftist claiming to not be associated with racism is lying. Also I recommend reminding the SJWs that abortion on a basis of disability is literally eugenics, see how they react.
2019-06-11 22:15
I like you. Reasonable leftist. Rare case.
2019-06-11 22:17
It been 3 years I try to do so on hltv.org and never happened so far. Far right is every thing but based on facts or science from my experience. Also, I am left wing yet I never called anyone to be a racist or homophobic in an argument. So you are wrong.
2019-06-11 22:16
I'm not wrong tho. Is my argument wrong just because i had different experiences? Lol.
2019-06-11 22:17
Since you generalized left wing people instead of talking about some of them, yes you are wrong.
2019-06-11 22:19
Lol no I'm obviously talking about my experiences.
2019-06-11 22:20
"When trying to talk with a left wing they start screaming and call you racist/Homophobic or whatever if you disagree with them." That's not experience, that's generalization.
2019-06-11 22:22
Yeah if you only read that text. Should have added "in my experience" to it.
2019-06-11 22:23
Well yes, because hltv is the wrong forum for such things. Anonymity and the majority being very young people makes it hard to get any reasonable conversations going.
2019-06-11 23:12
/thread
2019-06-11 23:22
Did you get reasonable conversations yet?
2019-06-11 23:23
No, they dismissed my evidence and stopped replying. I just wanted opinions on the quote tbh
2019-06-11 23:28
As I said, hltv is the wrong forum to discuss such things
2019-06-11 23:29
Now if you want to hear my opinion, both the far right and far left simplify the world and attract people that tend to tribalism, that are looking for a group identity, that just want to be part of something. These can be lower IQ individuals, but also outcasts that are "weird" or unusual and socially inept
2019-06-11 23:31
I agree, people with lower IQ tend to be easy to manipulate, while outcasts seem to associate themselves with movements that go against the mainstream. This days, it seems, the Right is making an effort in expanding its influence, and thats why this individuals and outcasts associate themsleves with this ideologies.
2019-06-11 23:49
You haven't always been reasonable, monami.
2020-01-18 15:50
You are comparinf far left and mild right/center right. If you go towards the far right, you'll see similar types of people like the people you described in the far left.
2019-06-11 22:58
I never specifically said far left or far right. True both far left and fsr right are idiots. But in my experience the average right winger is better than the average left winger.
2019-06-11 22:59
You described a far left winger though. Center left wingers aren't screaming retards, much like center right wingers aren't screaming retards.
2019-06-11 23:04
I didn't. I met normal left wingers who acted like childs.
2019-06-11 23:06
Then those weren't normal left wingers
2019-06-11 23:06
Maybe i got unlucky.
2019-06-11 23:07
Probably
2019-06-11 23:08
#18
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United States skroobdoober 
+1, add to this the fact that lower-class right wingers are inherently weak people incapable of self-determination. They desperately want a superior person to tell them what to do, which is why they support autocrats. However, good, capable, right-wing leaders understand this and are compelled to be right wing because they understand that many people have these traits, and seek to guide them towards something better, not simply due to convenience. However, I do agree that your average right-wing grunt is ensnared by the simplicity of the views - and yes, this does also go for socially and economically left-wing but politically right-wing individuals (i.e. Stalin and Maoist communists). To understand what I mean, this is the spectrum as I would define it: <............................L...............<->................R.....................................> Political:_____Libertarian_____________Authoritarian Social:_______Progressive_____________Traditional Economic:____Socialist__Conservative__Libertarian
2019-06-11 22:09
#19
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Austria WhiteHawk7777 
That really goes for extremism of any kind. Extremists love to see only black and white
2019-06-11 22:07
+1, hence them being extremists
2019-06-11 22:58
I suppose it depends on what one means by "the complexity of the world". Both sides agree that the world is complex, just in different ways.
2019-06-11 22:09
#26
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United States Acehavok 
Right big dumb.
2019-06-11 22:16
Left Big Brain, high iq
2019-06-11 22:23
Right wing, alt right, right extremist big dumb Just right is conservative.
2019-06-11 22:25
#44
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United States Acehavok 
German conservative is American liberal so I'll say sure.
2019-06-11 22:25
Orange man bad?
2019-06-11 23:09
#93
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United States Acehavok 
Sweet potato man bad.
2019-06-12 00:57
#32
mhL | 
Poland Trausky 
too much cocaine
2019-06-11 22:18
#39
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Tunisia Respecc 
Both sides are delusional in their own way, centrism all the way
2019-06-11 22:22
+1
2019-06-11 22:26
It's okay to mildly lean towards one side too, just don't get towards the extremes
2019-06-11 23:09
+1
2019-06-11 23:28
Well. Centerism with gay rights or without ? LUL
2019-06-11 23:33
#82
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Tunisia Respecc 
What rights are you referring to? Gays should be treated just like every other person.
2019-06-11 23:38
Exactly so no marriage (as it is between opposite sexes) and no kids (as they cannot reproduce) and no parades in erotic outfits (like other ppl don't).
2019-06-11 23:55
#87
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Tunisia Respecc 
I think marriage should be allowed considering it's far more than just having kids. Although I find it very annoying we have to accept parades and outfits as part of free speech.
2019-06-11 23:59
I think it is just weird perverts that's why we should not allow them
2019-06-12 10:45
I think Alabama is proof of this.
2019-06-11 23:27
REEEE FALCK YOUOY!! IM NOT STOPID!!!
2019-06-11 23:33
lmao
2019-06-11 23:36
#103
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Oceania Rusuli 
Actually, Africa is far better proof of this.
2019-06-12 08:04
#88
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Sweden wyv0 
Ideologs in general seem stupid except liberals
2019-06-12 00:00
#89
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United Kingdom Lcheste3 
What it could possibly be is that left wingers are generally younger on average (hence why left wing parties attempt to dedicate their policies to them). Young people have just left school, and would therefore retain more of this knowledge, thus being ‘smarter’. When people work more, they are more likely to become conservative (because they want to keep their money), but also decrease in intelligence as they have forgotten things from school as well as being less ‘brain trained’.
2019-06-12 00:06
#89
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United Kingdom Lcheste3 
What it could possibly be is that left wingers are generally younger on average (hence why left wing parties attempt to dedicate their policies to them). Young people have just left school, and would therefore retain more of this knowledge, thus being ‘smarter’. When people work more, they are more likely to become conservative (because they want to keep their money), but also decrease in intelligence as they have forgotten things from school as well as being less ‘brain trained’.
2019-06-12 00:06
It could also be seen as people grow older, the less they desire change, and seek to mantain their current positions. That, paired with the mental decay that comes from ageing, can create the image that the Right is less mentally capable.
2019-06-12 00:24
what? first of all you dont start of as a smartass and then decay over the years. If anything you become wiser and therefore dont jump to conclusions as fast. Second, how is the knowledge gained in school relevant to political discussions? At my school the only thing related to politics was the left-wing brainwashing by many of the teacherswho were mostly hipsters. I would agree tho that u also get more relaxed as you get older and dont have a strong desire to change things as much as younger people tend to do.
2020-01-18 17:40
#92
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Europe juanoo 
Just be liberal lol
2019-06-12 00:29
#100
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Finland no_man 
makes sense
2019-06-12 06:35
#102
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Oceania Rusuli 
It's true that the very lowest IQ people are right-leaning because they can't understand more than instinct - and hardline leftist ideology is intentionally complex so as to hide its true intentions. However, this trend is not constant at all IQ levels, only below 85IQ. It's also true that right wingers are generally more attractive.
2019-06-12 08:03
#104
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Finland no_man 
kekistan disagrees
2019-06-12 09:55
You don't have to be in left or right you can have diffrent opinions on diffrent subjects
2019-06-12 10:43
Both far sides are either making world too simple or complicated,that's why none of these should be used for a longer period of time,the one that should be used at the given moment should be decided based on science,facts and logic.
2019-06-12 10:49
+1 Pragmatism is the way
2019-06-12 14:48
+1
2020-01-18 15:43
Wings don't have ideologies you fucking idiot expected 0 iq from colombia
2019-06-12 12:41
I was talking about people who have right wings you fucking idiot expected -25iq from mexico
2019-06-12 14:47
talking about lower mental abilities when you fall for the most obvious bait
2020-01-18 15:52
#113
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Other Unterzee 
0/8
2020-01-18 15:30
its true!
2020-01-18 15:41
Some things are complex and shouldn't be simplified, some things are simple and shouldn't complicated, right and left will do both, but from my observations, the simple things that the right complicates such as family structure and immigration, are mainly done due to an intuitive hunch towards what we already know, whereas the simple things that the left complicates, seem to be purely out of malice...SPECIALLY the economy and social security, i've talked with thousands of leftist in the internet, dozens in real life, have had hours long discussions with full respect and open mind, and in the end almost all of them ended up admitting to me that they could see that their idiotic redistributionist scheme was retarded and unsustainable (not to mention EXTREMELY inefficient) but they would hold onto it because "it seemed fairer". As for simplifying things that are complex, i would put this almost exclusively to the entire left + the populist center right , that's why there is no real right wingers in politics, there's no Minarchist or Anarcho Capitalist running for office in any western liberal democracy??? lul the closer any developed country got to it was Rand Paul running for president in 2016 and he didn't even get like 4% in the primaries. So, to conclude on your premise, which i know was absolutely bait but will still adress because pubert virgin scandinavian leftist spoiled brats will run with it...no, what you're proposing is not exclusive to the right, in fact not only happens also in the left, but it happens A LOT MORE in the left.
2020-01-18 15:45
yea no
2020-01-18 15:52
Im sure this sounded very cool in your head...sadly it didn't translate very well into the real world.
2020-01-18 15:56
i dont understand how you can waste so much time of your precious life just to write such bullshit lol. i wanna see the thousands of people you convinced lmao ("and in the end almost all of them ended up admitting to me that they could see that their idiotic redistributionist scheme was retarded and unsustainable ")
2020-01-18 16:10
Nah, most of them just admitted that their ideology was a bunch of bullshit, now i can see you believing that wealth equality is what matters rather than prosperity or freedom. I can even understand that you think you have the right to other people's money and that it's not that bad if you live off of someone else's work, your country only officialy exists since 1945 and you've never had freedom, problem is that im from Argentina, and not only we had much more freedom than the entire world but we were at one point the most prosperous and richest country per capita in the world because of it (1895 and 1896) so its easy to make the case for Libertarianism between 2 Argentinians of opposite ideology than between 2 Luxembourgers of opposite ideologies, if you can even find a non-statist Luxembourger. If you want to see the people whom i got to admit this in real life that will be tough, but if you give me your whatsapp i could hook you up with some of them in a couple of weeks, if you just mean the internet, you can check my friends list on steam, everyone in the Traders Latino group was pretty fucking lefty before i started talking politics a few years ago with them. As for HLTV , i can only remember a couple ones and they're probably banned by now.
2020-01-18 16:27
i dont understand how you can waste so much time of your precious life just to write such bullshit lol. i wanna see the thousands of people you convinced lmao ("and in the end almost all of them ended up admitting to me that they could see that their idiotic redistributionist scheme was retarded and unsustainable ")
2020-01-18 16:31
Left-wing ideologies attract people with lower mental abilities because they minimize the complexity of the world
2020-01-18 15:52
Left people live in a delusional world, so I dont think this applies to right wingers. Althought FAR-right are also living in an delusional world, so this thread if 25% right. But right wingers like me, have a higher IQ then you.
2020-01-18 15:55
Low quality thread
2020-01-18 15:58
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